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    I'm just going to post a bunch of random negative thoughts about BK in this post but feel free to use this as a place to talk about him good or bad.

    1. BK will now get a pass from most Irish fans assuming we don't completely tank. The "10 win" expectation most fans had will probably now drop down to 7-8 wins. It's not like we were playing very well when Malik went down...

    2. Still never seems to have a plan B in place when things go poorly. I mean he was sitting there talking to Malik for what seemed like 6 plays rather than focusing on the actual game. I understand going over there to console him briefly but my impression was that BK was trying to see if he could come back in to play so Kizer didn't have to. In other words, plan B was "Oh shit can I still go with Plan A." This isn't the best example of this (Joe Schmidt going down and ND defense collapsing is better) but seems to happen a lot.

    3. Play calling is still utterly horrible. There was a 20 minute stretch during the game where I didn't understand why we ran every play when we did. The 2nd and 10 runs, the 4th and short dive plays. The lack of screens. etc. etc. I don't even know who calls plays anymore it changes so often but it's ultimately on the head coach.

    4. How many academically elite schools are going to beat us or come close to beating us (Northwestern, Stanford, Virginia, Navy, etc.) before we stop using our academics as an excuse for recruiting seemingly getting worse every year.

    5. How long will we stay with a coach just because we fear we can't do better. 2012 was a team with many Weis players. Our records were 8-4 and 7-5 with teams with only BK players. This season will likely be very similar.

    I used to be a huge BK supporter. Don't think I can do it anymore. Especially if we lose 4 games again this year. Obviously we are 2-0 and I hope we win every game and will gladly eat my words but I'm scouting the college football coaching landscape for new candidates.
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  • #2
    I'm torn. On one hand I'm thinking 'man, if Fuller and/or Jaylon somehow came back next year, we're loaded'. But we say that almost every other year. Also struggling with BK struggling with plan B. Jimbo Fisher sends every QB to the first round, and no back up looked worse than Sam Mcguire last year when Jameis was suspended and they had time to prepare.

    I honestly think we have just fuck ugly luck.

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    • #3
      Still no excuses this year. Kizer was a top recruit...coach him up and let's run the table. Make your money BK.

      Saban and Meyer won NCs with first time starters.

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      • #4
        I've never really bought in, but I've never really hated either... I've always hoped BK could be the guy who sets up the guy... Not sure ive ever believed he can be the one. Again have always hoped I'm wrong.
        This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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        • #5
          I was one foot off the wagon a few years ago. I've fallen off now.

          Show out, or get out.
          #TeamKizer

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tussin View Post
            Still no excuses this year. Kizer was a top recruit...coach him up and let's run the table. Make your money BK.

            Saban and Meyer won NCs with first time starters.
            Not fair to BK. Look at the differences in schedule.

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            • #7
              Also...in before "Auburn almost lost to Jacksonville St. today" and "Arkansas lost to Toledo at home"

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              • #8
                If not BK, then who?
                This post brought to you by the IE 2013 Fantasy Football, Fantasy Basketball, and Fantasy Baseball Champion. (Congrats to Junkhead for the 2013 College Fantasy Football Championship).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ACamp1900 View Post
                  I've never really bought in, but I've never really hated either... I've always hoped BK could be the guy who sets up the guy... Not sure ive ever believed he can be the one. Again have always hoped I'm wrong.
                  I bought in for the first year or so......
                  #TeamKizer

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                  • #10
                    This thread comes earlier and earlier each year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by koonja View Post
                      Not fair to BK. Look at the differences in schedule.
                      Bama plays a tough schedule. He's won two NCs with first year starters. Again, get it done BK.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Irish Insanity View Post
                        I bought in for the first year or so......
                        I was closest after the 12 USC game... But I never could convince myself we'd beat that Bama team either...
                        This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Buster Bluth View Post
                          This thread comes earlier and earlier each year.
                          We always hope our star players stay every year. Maybe it's time to see if one of them will take BK with them.
                          #TeamKizer

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tussin View Post
                            Still no excuses this year. Kizer was a top recruit...coach him up and let's run the table. Make your money BK.

                            Saban and Meyer won NCs with first time starters.
                            Shouldn't have to coach him up! That is one of my issues with BK. Why aren't our backups or young guys ready to play. They are at other schools around the country try but not here at ND.
                            GO IRISH!!!

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                            • #15
                              Not a fan of Kelly but he now gave Swarbrick an excuse no matter how bad the year gets.

                              I think we will make it to 4-0 then crater.

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                              • #16
                                New favorite thread.

                                How about the fact that he's just a giant asshole?

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                                • #17
                                  No reason to hate on BK. He's down a QB and a RB, but he will have a plan.

                                  All is not lost.
                                  Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Ironman8 View Post
                                    If not BK, then who?
                                    I'll give you a list in the next couple of weeks. Going to put some real effort and research into realistic candidates who we could take a look at. As I said in the OP, I don't believe in the concept that you don't fire someone because you fear there is no better option. That's what Virginia Tech and Georgia have been doing for a decade plus and how many championships have they combined to win?

                                    Originally posted by Buster Bluth View Post
                                    This thread comes earlier and earlier each year.
                                    Because our playoff hopes end earlier and earlier.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                      New favorite thread.

                                      How about the fact that he's just a giant asshole?
                                      That never bothers me, most of the best coaches are assholes.
                                      "The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood." - Lou Holtz

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                                      • #20
                                        To be fair, we are 2-0 and technically the backup lead us to a game winning drive of 83 yards with under 2 minutes to go.

                                        I believe we'll drop at least 3 too now, but BK gets the benefit of the doubt. It's not his fault Malik is out.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by gkIrish View Post
                                          Also...in before "Auburn almost lost to Jacksonville St. today" and "Arkansas lost to Toledo at home"
                                          Ahhhhhh the old "I brought up a logical rebuttal to my argument before anyone else so it doesn't hold any weight."

                                          That's a clown post bro.

                                          Funnier than you in 2012.

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                                          • #22
                                            I agree with the guys above: No excuses. Nut the fuck up, or shut the fuck up. Win 10, or you and your team is a failure.

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by NDRock View Post
                                              That never bothers me, most of the best coaches are assholes.
                                              Yes but those BEST coaches have earned it. Brian Kelly has the most cocksure, smug, arrogant disposition you can possibly fathom for the reigning Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl champion.
                                              Last edited by wizards8507; 09-12-2015, 07:25 PM.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by NDRock View Post
                                                That never bothers me, most of the best coaches are assholes.
                                                Pretty much, of all ND coaches in my lifetime I can think of two who weren't largely considered a holes, Faust and Willingham... And MAYBE Davie.... I guess...
                                                This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by bkess8 View Post
                                                  Shouldn't have to coach him up! That is one of my issues with BK. Why aren't our backups or young guys ready to play. They are at other schools around the country try but not here at ND.
                                                  Kizer sure looked ready to play tonight. If you take out the fake FG, Kizer went 7/11 for 85 yards and a TD. Not bad for his first real game play. And that TD throw to Fuller was a great throw!

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                                                  • #26
                                                    If you were reading this without knowing, you'd think Kizer threw a pick 6 and we lost the game...

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                                                    • #27
                                                      We won today. Enjoy it. Still think we can win 11 games this year with Kizer

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                                                      • #28
                                                        How can you guys blame Kelly today? We were about to cover the spread away before the injury to Zaire. We have the shittiest luck in college football yeah but what other coach could change that.

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Originally posted by ACamp1900 View Post
                                                          Pretty much, of all ND coaches in my lifetime I can think of two who weren't largely considered a holes, Faust and Willingham... And MAYBE Davie.... I guess...
                                                          What about O'Leary?

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                            If you were reading this without knowing, you'd think Kizer threw a pick 6 and we lost the game...
                                                            I like the discussion better after a win then a loss. Takes some of the emotion out.

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                                                            • #31
                                                              Originally posted by Cali_domer View Post
                                                              I like the discussion better after a win then a loss. Takes some of the emotion out.
                                                              I just don't get calling for Kelly's head AT THIS POINT because we lost our starting nickel, DT, RB, and QB and are 2-0.

                                                              If anything fire Longo. That guy sucks.

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                                                              • #32
                                                                Originally posted by NDPhilly View Post
                                                                How can you guys blame Kelly today? We were about to cover the spread away before the injury to Zaire. We have the shittiest luck in college football yeah but what other coach could change that.
                                                                "'A real man makes his own luck,' Billy Zane, Titanic," Dwight Schrute, The Office.

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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Originally posted by kmoose View Post
                                                                  Kizer sure looked ready to play tonight. If you take out the fake FG, Kizer went 7/11 for 85 yards and a TD. Not bad for his first real game play. And that TD throw to Fuller was a great throw!
                                                                  Yeah I know....the kid looked ready to play and did play well. The kid will look sharp next week when he has a week to prep. We're goin to lean on our Oline and run game. We'll win 9/10 games. People need to relax

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                    "'A real man makes his own luck,' Billy Zane, Titanic," Dwight Schrute, The Office.
                                                                    Luck has a lot to do with every championship team. You lose your QB and unless you're OSU, you're done. So that quote doesn't apply to football.

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                                      I just don't get calling for Kelly's head AT THIS POINT because we lost our starting nickel, DT, RB, and QB and are 2-0.
                                                                      This is where I am right now.

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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        I think we're expecting a meltdown maybe coming so getting a jump on it. Next week will be interesting.

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                                                                        • #37
                                                                          Kelly had luck with backups at Cinncy didn't he? How about time for that to finally translate to ND?
                                                                          This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Originally posted by greyhammer90 View Post
                                                                            Ahhhhhh the old "I brought up a logical rebuttal to my argument before anyone else so it doesn't hold any weight."

                                                                            That's a clown post bro.
                                                                            It's a clown argument. Elite teams can play shitty in any given week. Just because Arkansas lost today doesn't give our head coach a pass. That's absurd.

                                                                            Brian Kelly should be compared to Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Les Miles, and other elite head coaches because we want to have the success they do. Those guys don't go 8-4 most years and lost to Northwestern, Tulsa, Navy, etc. etc.

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                                                                            • #39
                                                                              Seriously though, BVG can pack his bags tonight. Laziest recruiter in the midwest and has 300 LB guys in coverage on the reg. Fucking idiot.

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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                                                Luck has a lot to do with every championship team. You lose your QB and unless you're OSU, you're done. So that quote doesn't apply to football.
                                                                                Bullshit. See all the arguments being made by others about the lack of a "plan B."

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                                                                                • #41
                                                                                  Still have no problems with Kelly.

                                                                                  Drives stall. Defenses blow coverages. Players get hurt. It's part of the game.

                                                                                  Kelly has done a good job. But, there is always room for improvement. That goes for the players and the coaches too, including Kelly.

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                                                                                  • #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                                                    I just don't get calling for Kelly's head AT THIS POINT because we lost our starting nickel, DT, RB, and QB and are 2-0.

                                                                                    If anything fire Longo. That guy sucks.
                                                                                    I don't think anyone is calling for his head...
                                                                                    This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                                                    • #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by bkess8 View Post
                                                                                      Shouldn't have to coach him up! That is one of my issues with BK. Why aren't our backups or young guys ready to play. They are at other schools around the country try but not here at ND.
                                                                                      lol where is this coming from? Kizer played well in a very high pressure situation. He made 2 great throws and a good 4th down run and won the game. He impressed me, idk what you were watching. Also I remember a young Tommy Reese coming in and playing pretty well in 2010, 2012 we had a R-Freshman at QB in the NC game.....
                                                                                      Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog!

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                                                                                      • #44
                                                                                        Wasn't a fan for a few years but now i am. I don't think we could do better no matter the $$$

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                                                                                        • #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Cali_domer View Post
                                                                                          I think we're expecting a meltdown maybe coming so getting a jump on it. Next week will be interesting.
                                                                                          Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                                                          I just don't get calling for Kelly's head AT THIS POINT because we lost our starting nickel, DT, RB, and QB and are 2-0.

                                                                                          If anything fire Longo. That guy sucks.
                                                                                          To be clear, I'm not calling for his head yet. I'm just saying I'm not giving him a pass and still expect 9-10 wins or I will want to move on.

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                                                                                          • #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                                                            I just don't get calling for Kelly's head AT THIS POINT because we lost our starting nickel, DT, RB, and QB and are 2-0.

                                                                                            If anything fire Longo. That guy sucks.
                                                                                            Koon, nailed it.

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                                                                                            • #47
                                                                                              BK is the best coach ND has had since Holtz....look at what has been thrown at him -- all these fucking injuries, suspensions, and whatever the fuck else can happen has happened.

                                                                                              If you blame BK for the academic scandals and injuries then your smokin' crack....


                                                                                              all the bullshit that has gone down in this program, and you focus on play calling.....ok, yeah, thats the reason why ND is where they are....

                                                                                              whatever makes you feel better
                                                                                              YYZ by RUSH (cover) - (only the last half)
                                                                                              Billie Stephens' Fiery Disaster -- Dancin' with Myself (partial cover)

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                                                                                              • #48
                                                                                                Lou's retired from ESPN, get his ass off of the couch and to ND. He can coach the defense.

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                                                                                                • #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by gkIrish View Post
                                                                                                  To be clear, I'm not calling for his head yet. I'm just saying I'm not giving him a pass and still expect 9-10 wins or I will want to move on.
                                                                                                  Also agree with this. Elite programs have the depth and talent to deal with major losses. Get it done ND.

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                                                                                                  • #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                                                    Bullshit. See all the arguments being made by others about the lack of a "plan B."
                                                                                                    Kizer looked pretty good today. Also isn't not having someone ready last year when Schmidt went down really on BVG?

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