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    First, I would like to say I am in no way directing this to any ND players (see Vontaze Burfict).......but.........So sick of all the pampering to these kids nowadays. In my opinion, if you are in college, you are an adult. Kids go to the military, fight and die, that are the same age as these college athletes. Hate that people defend college athletes when they do stupid things by saying they are just kids. True, we all all make mistakes, but lets stop saying "They are kids".............

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    Easy solution, stop putting so much pressure on these kids and you wont see their mishaps.

    Did you get national coverage at the age of 18?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DSully1995 View Post
      Easy solution, stop putting so much pressure on these kids and you wont see their mishaps.

      Did you get national coverage at the age of 18?
      Exactly

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DSully1995 View Post
        Easy solution, stop putting so much pressure on these kids and you wont see their mishaps.

        Did you get national coverage at the age of 18?
        I never got national coverage but I did go to war.

        Boo hoo, they get national coverage. They choose to participate, nobody is forcing them. Yeah, if they want a better life, they gotta go along for the ride but get over it. I had to grow up real quick at 17, they can too and they play football.

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        • #5
          I agree, seen more pressure at the age of 18 then these kids will EVER...Pressure? Try being shot at by AK-47's and RPG's and trying to remain calm while commanding your men and NOT getting them killed, that's pressure!

          Or pulling your buddies out of a burning Humvee after you just got hit with a daisy chain IED all the while assbags are nailing you from all directions with AK's...

          National coverage LMFAO what a joke!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by scUM Hater View Post
            First, I would like to say I am in no way directing this to any ND players (see Vontaze Burfict).......but.........So sick of all the pampering to these kids nowadays. In my opinion, if you are in college, you are an adult. Kids go to the military, fight and die, that are the same age as these college athletes. Hate that people defend college athletes when they do stupid things by saying they are just kids. True, we all all make mistakes, but lets stop saying "They are kids".............
            what is this stemming from? sorry, haven't been on IE all day.. did something happen?
            Any other man stops and talks, but the walking man walks

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sharksamardzija8345 View Post
              what is this stemming from? sorry, haven't been on IE all day.. did something happen?
              Burflict thread
              EMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                Burflict thread
                huh? link? sorry..
                Any other man stops and talks, but the walking man walks

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                • #9
                  Pressure, good one. That must be why HS players avoid twitter, reporters, and announcement ceremonies at all costs... they hate being in the limelight.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DSully1995 View Post
                    Easy solution, stop putting so much pressure on these kids and you wont see their mishaps.

                    Did you get national coverage at the age of 18?
                    No, but if I had 69,000 followers on twitter, my own collection of choreographed YouTube videos, had sent my videos to every recruiting service in existence, participated in Regional and National Combines, called the recruiting services to report my whereabouts, what I had for breakfast, what gear I was sporting today, whose campus I was visiting, what team I rooted for when I was 5, shopped around my ht, wt, 40, BP, and had my friends and family posting info on fan websites, I might have.

                    There are kids that shun the South Beach spotlight and those that crave it. And there are lots of college student athletes that stay out of trouble.

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                    • #11
                      Different people are different.

                      Your brain isn't fully developed until your 26, some of these kids are still kids.

                      And believe me, I understand that some 18 year olds go off to war, but that doesn't mean some of them aren't absolute morons who shouldn't be anywhere near a weapon.

                      Some kids do well in a high pressure college environment, some handle war well... many don't.

                      They're kids.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JughedJones View Post
                        Different people are different.

                        Your brain isn't fully developed until your 26, some of these kids are still kids.

                        And believe me, I understand that some 18 year olds go off to war, but that doesn't mean some of them aren't absolute morons who shouldn't be anywhere near a weapon.

                        Some kids do well in a high pressure college environment, some handle war well... many don't.

                        They're kids.
                        Actually, some are absolute morons who should be near a weapon. Sounds dumb but it's true. I've come across my fair share of guys who I would absolutely want to be in a foxhole with when the poo hit the fan but trying to converse with them about anything, well, yeah, that's a whole different story.

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                        • #13
                          ^^ I think you understood my point.

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                          • #14
                            This post I created is mostly a point of view from the last couple of years of all the coverage and boo hoo I hear from these kids and those who defend them. Some of these kids are getting educations worth 50k a year. It is a business, learn how to deal with real life.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JughedJones View Post
                              ^^ I think you understood my point.
                              Just brought back some memories of some of the guys that serve. Really makes you go huh? lol

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                                Let me show you what I learned, when I was in ****ing nam!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by scUM Hater View Post
                                  This post I created is mostly a point of view from the last couple of years of all the coverage and boo hoo I hear from these kids and those who defend them. Some of these kids are getting educations worth 50k a year. It is a business, learn how to deal with real life.

                                  Well, they are learning how to 'deal with it,' at a university.

                                  Some kids have an easier time than others.

                                  Remember, many of these kids wouldn't be going to a place like Notre Dame (or any college for that matter) if they couldn't play football. Many are from a wildly different place than you are, trying to fit each of them into your life experience and learned wisdom isn't logical.

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                                  • #18
                                    I was fortunate enough to wear several pieces of athletic named brand clothing, foot wear, and equipment in combat and me and my buddies would joke around and say that we would wear their (certain companies) clothing, etcl.. in return for sponsership. It's all about the attention and money. We provide the attention make SOME of these kids feel like they are above the rest of the world.

                                    Not there fault, however, the become accustomed to being the center of attention, just like our one, two, three, and the list goes on year olds. If you really think about it, it is social media, which is addicting. All of us come here and TOS's to see who is coming, who is going, what issues are brewing, and so on. I try and try and try to not follow anything but it does not happen. Again, these kids need and want the attention good, bad, and whatever. It makes them more profitable in whatever they are going to do, long or short term.

                                    As adults, we all should be looking at our long term goals. Most kids only think about what they are going to eat in a half hour, who they are going to hang out with, or whatever they are going to do!

                                    In the military, I had people thinking for me in the begining with constant training. Progressed to leadership, then to trainer, and eventually THE BOSS. All we can do is to preach the importance of commitment, integrity, and following through with what we say we are going to do. There are times when it is out of our reach to accomplish our goal, but it is up to our parents and leadership to guide us into the right path, good for them or us. IT IS WHAT IT IS....

                                    Go Irish!!!

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                                    • #19
                                      Not making excuses, but the lack of assertive, positive, parental/adult involvement in some of these situations is another major factor.
                                      Especially among recruits, who presumably still live at home and have high school coaches, etc.

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                                      • #20
                                        Agreed. Parent see their kids receiving attention and then look to their childrens potential future as professional athletes and become DUMB! We all want our kids to be sucsessful, but at what costs? Teach them, train them, and most importantly listen to them. They should not be looked at as cash cows..... Be there for them and guide them to the best of their abilities. Hopefully for the betterment of the child.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by JughedJones View Post
                                          Well, they are learning how to 'deal with it,' at a university.

                                          Some kids have an easier time than others.

                                          Remember, many of these kids wouldn't be going to a place like Notre Dame (or any college for that matter) if they couldn't play football. Many are from a wildly different place than you are, trying to fit each of them into your life experience and learned wisdom isn't logical.
                                          Originally posted by JughedJones View Post
                                          Different people are different.

                                          Your brain isn't fully developed until your 26, some of these kids are still kids.

                                          And believe me, I understand that some 18 year olds go off to war, but that doesn't mean some of them aren't absolute morons who shouldn't be anywhere near a weapon.

                                          Some kids do well in a high pressure college environment, some handle war well... many don't.

                                          They're kids.
                                          Originally posted by JughedJones View Post
                                          ^^ I think you understood my point.
                                          Reps!
                                          Maybe it's far too soon to tell.

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                                          • #22
                                            Working in the South til I can retire in the North.

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                                            • #23
                                              ...I see what the OP is saying. I'll just ad this. Each man's (or Kid's) cross to bare is relative to his situation...its human nature.

                                              What most people lack is perspective. When it comes to athletes, its almost like everyone around them conspires to create a moron with no perspective, and so the cross they bare is pretty small...nonetheless, what else do they know.

                                              I still try to give kids a break...even when they are morons with no perspective, because the hope is they'll grow up, and figure things out.
                                              One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by phgreek View Post
                                                ...I see what the OP is saying. I'll just ad this. Each man's (or Kid's) cross to bare is relative to his situation...its human nature.

                                                What most people lack is perspective. When it comes to athletes, its almost like everyone around them conspires to create a moron with no perspective, and so the cross they bare is pretty small...nonetheless, what else do they know.

                                                I still try to give kids a break...even when they are morons with no perspective, because the hope is they'll grow up, and figure things out.
                                                That in itself is the hard part. We do not want our kids to be looked at as meat or morons. I guess it can be thought of as winning the lottery. Jackpot baby. Teach the kids to be more than just athletes and then we can begin to talk future. JMHO...

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                                                • #25
                                                  It's just the way $#!+ is these days. I'm not saying this applies to all, but these days a lot of parents don't parent, and a lot of kids don't have a clue about work ethic, loyalty, keeping your word, tradition, etc... Again, not saying this applies to everyone, but I'm 42 and what I see today is far different from the Catholic/Italian/Irish environment I grew up in. Bottom line, it's just a reality we have to stomach. And I sure don't see it getting any better anytime soon. Not a pessimist, just a realist.
                                                  The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                  Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Originally posted by frankygoes69 View Post
                                                    That in itself is the hard part. We do not want our kids to be looked at as meat or morons. I guess it can be thought of as winning the lottery. Jackpot baby. Teach the kids to be more than just athletes and then we can begin to talk future. JMHO...
                                                    No argument here...
                                                    One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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                                                    • #27
                                                      We need to teach our kids not the social media. For the love of all things good. There is too much out there for them and us to check on an hourly, minutely, and secondy basis.

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                                                      • #28
                                                        Originally posted by frankygoes69 View Post
                                                        That in itself is the hard part. We do not want our kids to be looked at as meat or morons. I guess it can be thought of as winning the lottery. Jackpot baby. Teach the kids to be more than just athletes and then we can begin to talk future. JMHO...
                                                        Originally posted by frankygoes69 View Post
                                                        We need to teach our kids not the social media. For the love of all things good. There is too much out there for them and us to check on an hourly, minutely, and secondy basis.

                                                        amen

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Quick question/s to all or some that post here. How many of you/us are what we thought we would be? How many of us are hoping our klids live our dreams? If they do not follow our/their dreams, is that a bust?

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Originally posted by frankygoes69 View Post
                                                            Quick question/s to all or some that post here. How many of you/us are what we thought we would be? How many of us are hoping our klids live our dreams? If they do not follow our/their dreams, is that a bust?
                                                            If they didn't follow their dreams, that would be a bit of a bust right? Following my dreams of running out of the tunnel with the golden helmet...... well that's on me.

                                                            I just hope they're happy and do their best with what they're capable of. Whatever that may be.

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                                                            • #31
                                                              The question is, who's dreams are our kids following?

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                                                              • #32
                                                                Originally posted by frankygoes69 View Post
                                                                The question is, who's dreams are our kids following?
                                                                In retrospect, I didn't make it terribly clear, but that's what I was saying.

                                                                They don't need to follow mine, but if they don't use the intelligence they have to do what makes them happy... then I feel like I'd have done something wrong.

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                                                                • #33
                                                                  It still boils down to guidance. Again, that is MHO.

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    The minute generation? Want it now, need it now, have to do it now! I just trade marked it! Really though, our kids need to know the importance of education and the future.

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Originally posted by frankygoes69 View Post
                                                                      The minute generation? Want it now, need it now, have to do it now! I just trade marked it! Really though, our kids need to know the importance of education and the future.
                                                                      ...I think you hit on another important issue...in the on-demand environment, kids wait for, plan for, work for very few things. The result is a retarded work ethic, and no ability to maintain focus on things that come to them with "SUSTAINED" effort.

                                                                      I'm no angel...my dad rolls his eyes at the crap my kids have. They do work though...I can crack a whip...
                                                                      One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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