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  • T-Boone
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    he seems to like Williams, Tyree, and Mayer.
    He dog-housed Williams last year after one play even though the media was raving about him in the pre season and clearly based off this year is a lot better than everyone who was playing ahead of him last year.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
    Oh, of course.
    If I was a recruit for next year I would want to know details of Austin last year and JJ this year. BK just hates talent.
    he seems to like Williams, Tyree, and Mayer.

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  • Sherm Sticky
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    Originally posted by NDPhilly View Post
    Whenever we sign a kid that i'm surprised wants to go to ND there's almost always issues.

    Davaris Daniels
    Aaron Lynch
    Davonte Neal
    Deontay Greenberry (Didn't make it to campus)
    Tee Shepard (Didn't make it to campus)
    Greg Bryant
    Dexter Williams
    Javon McKinley
    Kevin Austin

    Some of these guys figured it out later on but these type of borderline guys panning out are part of what separate Bama & Georgia from ND.

    Tee Shepard actually did make it to campus for a few weeks...


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  • EvilleIrish
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    Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
    Oh, of course.
    If I was a recruit for next year I would want to know details of Austin last year and JJ this year. BK just hates talent.
    As Mayer dominated today....

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  • T-Boone
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    Someone suggested based on verbiage from one of the pay sites, that it sounded like behavioral issue. Nothing concrete, just the way it was positioned, and that we may not see him for a while....
    Oh, of course.
    If I was a recruit for next year I would want to know details of Austin last year and JJ this year. BK just hates talent.

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  • NDPhilly
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    Whenever we sign a kid that i'm surprised wants to go to ND there's almost always issues.

    Davaris Daniels
    Aaron Lynch
    Davonte Neal
    Deontay Greenberry (Didn't make it to campus)
    Tee Shepard (Didn't make it to campus)
    Greg Bryant
    Dexter Williams
    Javon McKinley
    Kevin Austin

    Some of these guys figured it out later on but these type of borderline guys panning out are part of what separate Bama & Georgia from ND.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
    To me that is weird seeing as how unestablished the WR pecking order is.
    Maybe he is out with something. Did Watt make the trip?
    Someone suggested based on verbiage from one of the pay sites, that it sounded like behavioral issue. Nothing concrete, just the way it was positioned, and that we may not see him for a while....

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  • T-Boone
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    Originally posted by Sherm Sticky View Post
    He didn’t make the trip. If the game was at home I’m sure he would have made the trip. Remember you can only bring what like 57 guys on a road trip?


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    To me that is weird seeing as how unestablished the WR pecking order is.
    Maybe he is out with something. Did Watt make the trip?

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
    How do we explain to recruits that even at 45-3 we wont get you involved but we still want you to come here? Its great recruiting given that self inflicted situation.
    didn't travel with team

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  • Sherm Sticky
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    Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
    How do we explain to recruits that even at 45-3 we wont get you involved but we still want you to come here? Its great recruiting given that self inflicted situation.

    He didn’t make the trip. If the game was at home I’m sure he would have made the trip. Remember you can only bring what like 57 guys on a road trip?


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  • T-Boone
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    How do we explain to recruits that even at 45-3 we wont get you involved but we still want you to come here? Its great recruiting given that self inflicted situation.

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  • Irish8248
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    They might have no choice but to play him now due to all these injuries

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  • Henges24
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    Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
    He prolly zigged off the bus when he should have zagged. See ya in 2023. #traits

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    Cigarettes are bad for you.

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  • ThePiombino
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    Originally posted by stpeteirish View Post
    Sampson is reporting Johnson is not on the field for warmups
    He prolly zigged off the bus when he should have zagged. See ya in 2023. #traits

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  • Henges24
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    Originally posted by stpeteirish View Post
    Sampson is reporting Johnson is not on the field for warmups
    Canít wait to see Pelini getting reps at WR today.

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  • stpeteirish
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    Need MORE German players...
    Sampson is reporting Johnson is not on the field for warmups

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by FightingIrishLover7 View Post
    It's easy when they don't have foreign language requirements...
    Need MORE German players...

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  • FightingIrishLover7
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    Originally posted by NDohio View Post
    Add to it that teams like Clemson push hard for their recruits to enroll early. This season's Clemson team had 15 freshman on campus in the spring and that's pretty consistent with other programs.
    It's easy when they don't have foreign language requirements...

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  • Irish YJ
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    On the same narrative, watching Game Day. They just talked about ND/Pitt.

    Pretty much said ND isn't a top 5 team, and the passing game needs to improve.

    Herb said something like "Book is fine, they need to develop the young WRs"......

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  • NDohio
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    Originally posted by Bluto View Post
    Iíll take B for 1000. I cannot believe that people still have to explain that being a Freshman Student Athlete at ND is radically different than at say Clemson. Itís the deadest of dead horses.
    Add to it that teams like Clemson push hard for their recruits to enroll early. This season's Clemson team had 15 freshman on campus in the spring and that's pretty consistent with other programs.

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  • BabyIrish
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    Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
    Or maybe their athletes are better and that's why they are elite. Or maybe their athletes have less off field demands allowing them to be more prepared.
    Or maybe theyíre better coaches

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  • IrishBoognish
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    Originally posted by Bluto View Post
    Iíll take B for 1000. I cannot believe that people still have to explain that being a Freshman Student Athlete at ND is radically different than at say Clemson. Itís the deadest of dead horses.


    Blah Blah Blah.


    Get them in there. We're living under a COVID year and playing in a conference.

    Fuck it.


    Give it hell.

    (big fan bluto)

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  • IrishBoognish
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    Listen


    Throw out Lenzy, MM, JJ, and Austin

    .Theres no way they drop more passes than I saw last week.

    And theyre studs.
    .
    off we go. Go Irish.

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  • Bluto
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    Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
    Or maybe their athletes are better and that's why they are elite. Or maybe their athletes have less off field demands allowing them to be more prepared.
    Iíll take B for 1000. I cannot believe that people still have to explain that being a Freshman Student Athlete at ND is radically different than at say Clemson. Itís the deadest of dead horses.

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  • NDdomer2
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    Originally posted by BabyIrish View Post
    This has nothing to do with egoís or thinking weíre better then the coaches. This has everything to do with how other elite programs operate. They get their athletes ready and on the field. Clemson for the last couple of years plays upward to 6-8 receivers a gam and not just during scrub time. Same with Ohio State. Itís not saying that JJ or Watts should start. Itís saying they are athletes and they need to get on the field in some capacity. Lou Holts was also great at this. This has been a reoccurring issue with the current staff although Iím glad weíre seeing Mayer and Tyree being used.
    Or maybe their athletes are better and that's why they are elite. Or maybe their athletes have less off field demands allowing them to be more prepared.

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  • NDdomer2
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    Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
    Well its not as if thinking that is possible is really unreasonable. BKs dog house has hurt us in the past for example in the Georgia game in 2017 with refusing to give Williams 5 or so carries. Or Williams last season.
    And if williams came in that game fumbles or blows a block and gets the qb killed for season then what?

    They play who they play for a reason and talent isn't the sole reason. Trust is a huge part of that decision process, and trust is built in practice and off the field.

    I think it deserves mention here that they finally decided to play Johnson and he immediately gets a 15 yarder for punching a guy.

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  • dad4aa
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    Originally posted by NDIrish88 View Post
    Someone already said this, but there is no reason you can;t give him or Watts 3 routes each and call it a day. Also may be your playbook is too complex. It is football not rocket science.
    Read the post before yours. Have to know the playbook in case an audible has to be called.

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  • BabyIrish
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    This has nothing to do with egoís or thinking weíre better then the coaches. This has everything to do with how other elite programs operate. They get their athletes ready and on the field. Clemson for the last couple of years plays upward to 6-8 receivers a gam and not just during scrub time. Same with Ohio State. Itís not saying that JJ or Watts should start. Itís saying they are athletes and they need to get on the field in some capacity. Lou Holts was also great at this. This has been a reoccurring issue with the current staff although Iím glad weíre seeing Mayer and Tyree being used.

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  • T-Boone
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    Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
    People are just upset with the passing offense so the answer had to be players that aren't playing.
    Well its not as if thinking that is possible is really unreasonable. BKs dog house has hurt us in the past for example in the Georgia game in 2017 with refusing to give Williams 5 or so carries. Or Williams last season.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
    People are just upset with the passing offense so the answer had to be players that aren't playing.
    I think it's as much a product of having limited measurable guys like Skowronek and Javon as your 1 and 2 to start the season. And on top of that, a third that is a QB2017/RB2018/CB&NB2019/WR2020.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
    Remember, we didn't have a real fall camp. It's extremely difficult with modified practices and no fall camp for freshmen to come in and truly push veterans for playing time.
    I agree, but Tyree and Lewis?

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  • NDdomer2
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    Originally posted by FightingIrishLover7 View Post
    I'm lost here.

    If JJ/Watts etc were better than the upper classmen, don't you think they would be playing more? Kelly has proven before that he'll play fresh skill position players. Tyree and Mayer have already moved past guys, right now...

    Sounds like we have some well-wishers.
    People are just upset with the passing offense so the answer had to be players that aren't playing.

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  • NDPhilly
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    Kelly has for the most part made the most of the WRs that he's recruited. "Busts" that come to mind are Davonte Neal, Justin Brent, & probably Javon McKinley although Neal and Brent had other issues. McKinley I think was just rated too highly as I don't see the physical tools there.

    None of these guys were top 150 recruits yet all turned into NFL players:

    TJ Jones
    Eq. St Brown
    Will Fuller
    Miles Boykin
    Chase Claypool

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  • ShroudedInMystery
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    Trust the coaching staff. The egos of people on the internet never cease to amaze me.

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  • Crazy Balki
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
    Remember, we didn't have a real fall camp. It's extremely difficult with modified practices and no fall camp for freshmen to come in and truly push veterans for playing time.
    This x1000.

    Johnson was already behind since he had no spring, but then fall got cut short and then they had to suspend football for 2 weeks.

    Not ideal circumstances for a freshman to catch up with the more experienced players.

    Not to mention, it's hard to justify moving McKinley after the game he had against FSU. Now, there's a reason to, but now Austin is back to full strength and Lenzy should be back too.

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  • IrishLax
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    Remember, we didn't have a real fall camp. It's extremely difficult with modified practices and no fall camp for freshmen to come in and truly push veterans for playing time.

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  • T-Boone
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    Claypool only got 5 catches as a freshman. If they had of gotten him more he might have been ready earlier and made a bigger contribution against Clemson in 18. I'd just get the high upside WRs involved straight away unless they are out like Austin was last year.
    If the WRs are going to be producing like they are now anyway then why not have a young high up side player in there.

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  • ThePiombino
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    No reason not to put a designed play or two in there for him to get the ball and see what he has. It's not going to stunt his growth, so why not?

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  • dublinirish
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    tbf the freshman "doghouse" seemed to put Claypool amongst others on a good path to becoming model pro's. Just got to wait and see with Austin, Johnson etc. Their best days might be beyond CFB

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  • Irish#1
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    Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
    holy shit! so maybe the coaches know more than a bunch of people on ie/facebook/twitter/other message boards
    Don't be silly.

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  • PANDFAN
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    Great insight and points Lion. I think some of those guys were partly a product of scarcity too.

    Brown, Stepherson, and Fuller were all burners too, right? And Rob was a big. Not sure if JJ is either a burner and isn't a big. Any idea what JJ or Watts's speed is?
    jj-good speed not great
    watts-quick twitch kid, good to great speed

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
    ND will do it for a guy that is handling his business the way he's supposed to.

    Chris Brown was a skinny-post specialist in '12.

    Fuller was a go-route specialist in '13, Robinson was a fade specialist.

    Stepherson in '16 was basically the same as Brown/Fuller, with a bit more responsibility.

    BK has no problem using young WR's with limited application... so that only leaves a few reasons for JJ to not be contributing right now, really.
    Great insight and points Lion. I think some of those guys were partly a product of scarcity too.

    Brown, Stepherson, and Fuller were all burners too, right? And Rob was a big. Not sure if JJ is either a burner and isn't a big. Any idea what JJ or Watts's speed is?

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  • IrishLion
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    To the bolded, I'm not saying that JJ is ready. I will say though that a lot of teams use route-poor athletes in their schemes regularly. IIRC, Ohio State has a long history of limited routes for specific guys or WR positions. It's why draft grading OSU WRs is difficult at times.
    ND will do it for a guy that is handling his business the way he's supposed to.

    Chris Brown was a skinny-post specialist in '12.

    Fuller was a go-route specialist in '13, Robinson was a fade specialist.

    Stepherson in '16 was basically the same as Brown/Fuller, with a bit more responsibility.

    BK has no problem using young WR's with limited application... so that only leaves a few reasons for JJ to not be contributing right now, really.

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  • irishandy
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    I expect JJ to have more of an impact next year.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by benneboy View Post
    People throw this out there like there is no downside. What if the defense shows a look that makes the route JJ was supposed to run a poor option and Ian has to check at the line? You just waste a play? Or have a guy like Austin, Lenzy, Tremble, Skowronek out there and have the full playbook?

    I really like Johnson out of high school, but he's not a Marquise Brown, Jamarr Chase, or even Tee Higgins type that as 1 or 2 freakish gifts. He is really good at almost everything but will need to rely on good route running, a full arsenal of routes at his disposal and continue to add strength to pair with his solid top end speed to be a contributor early.
    To the bolded, I'm not saying that JJ is ready. I will say though that a lot of teams use route-poor athletes in their schemes regularly. IIRC, Ohio State has a long history of limited routes for specific guys or WR positions. It's why draft grading OSU WRs is difficult at times.

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  • FightingIrishLover7
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    I'm lost here.

    If JJ/Watts etc were better than the upper classmen, don't you think they would be playing more? Kelly has proven before that he'll play fresh skill position players. Tyree and Mayer have already moved past guys, right now...

    Sounds like we have some well-wishers.

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  • NDIrish88
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    Someone already said this, but there is no reason you can;t give him or Watts 3 routes each and call it a day. Also may be your playbook is too complex. It is football not rocket science.

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  • benneboy
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    Originally posted by Irishize View Post
    IIRC, this was why Golden Tate didnít see as much playing time in that depressing 2007 season. I remember when they put him in the Purdue game (I think score was already out of hand) and he just ran a Go route and Evan Sharpley threw it up where Golden made a beautiful catch. You knew heíd be special right away but the knock was he was still learning the playbook.
    People throw this out there like there is no downside. What if the defense shows a look that makes the route JJ was supposed to run a poor option and Ian has to check at the line? You just waste a play? Or have a guy like Austin, Lenzy, Tremble, Skowronek out there and have the full playbook?

    I really like Johnson out of high school, but he's not a Marquise Brown, Jamarr Chase, or even Tee Higgins type that as 1 or 2 freakish gifts. He is really good at almost everything but will need to rely on good route running, a full arsenal of routes at his disposal and continue to add strength to pair with his solid top end speed to be a contributor early.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by Irishize View Post
    IIRC, this was why Golden Tate didnít see as much playing time in that depressing 2007 season. I remember when they put him in the Purdue game (I think score was already out of hand) and he just ran a Go route and Evan Sharpley threw it up where Golden made a beautiful catch. You knew heíd be special right away but the knock was he was still learning the playbook.
    I'm always happy to see young speedsters run occasional 9 routes. If they can blow the top off a D, they can be useful in situational downs regardless of their playbook deficiencies.

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  • Irishize
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    Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
    Interesting tidbit on II podcast from Pete Sampson via the Gug. Said the reason Johnson hasn't featured much is because he's having "issues learning the playbook"
    IIRC, this was why Golden Tate didnít see as much playing time in that depressing 2007 season. I remember when they put him in the Purdue game (I think score was already out of hand) and he just ran a Go route and Evan Sharpley threw it up where Golden made a beautiful catch. You knew heíd be special right away but the knock was he was still learning the playbook.

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