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  • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
    Remember, we didn't have a real fall camp. It's extremely difficult with modified practices and no fall camp for freshmen to come in and truly push veterans for playing time.
    This x1000.

    Johnson was already behind since he had no spring, but then fall got cut short and then they had to suspend football for 2 weeks.

    Not ideal circumstances for a freshman to catch up with the more experienced players.

    Not to mention, it's hard to justify moving McKinley after the game he had against FSU. Now, there's a reason to, but now Austin is back to full strength and Lenzy should be back too.
    It's Just a Ride.

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    • Trust the coaching staff. The egos of people on the internet never cease to amaze me.

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      • Kelly has for the most part made the most of the WRs that he's recruited. "Busts" that come to mind are Davonte Neal, Justin Brent, & probably Javon McKinley although Neal and Brent had other issues. McKinley I think was just rated too highly as I don't see the physical tools there.

        None of these guys were top 150 recruits yet all turned into NFL players:

        TJ Jones
        Eq. St Brown
        Will Fuller
        Miles Boykin
        Chase Claypool

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        • Originally posted by FightingIrishLover7 View Post
          I'm lost here.

          If JJ/Watts etc were better than the upper classmen, don't you think they would be playing more? Kelly has proven before that he'll play fresh skill position players. Tyree and Mayer have already moved past guys, right now...

          Sounds like we have some well-wishers.
          People are just upset with the passing offense so the answer had to be players that aren't playing.
          Prehistoric

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          • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
            Remember, we didn't have a real fall camp. It's extremely difficult with modified practices and no fall camp for freshmen to come in and truly push veterans for playing time.
            I agree, but Tyree and Lewis?
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            • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
              People are just upset with the passing offense so the answer had to be players that aren't playing.
              I think it's as much a product of having limited measurable guys like Skowronek and Javon as your 1 and 2 to start the season. And on top of that, a third that is a QB2017/RB2018/CB&NB2019/WR2020.
              The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
              Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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              • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                People are just upset with the passing offense so the answer had to be players that aren't playing.
                Well its not as if thinking that is possible is really unreasonable. BKs dog house has hurt us in the past for example in the Georgia game in 2017 with refusing to give Williams 5 or so carries. Or Williams last season.

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                • This has nothing to do with egoís or thinking weíre better then the coaches. This has everything to do with how other elite programs operate. They get their athletes ready and on the field. Clemson for the last couple of years plays upward to 6-8 receivers a gam and not just during scrub time. Same with Ohio State. Itís not saying that JJ or Watts should start. Itís saying they are athletes and they need to get on the field in some capacity. Lou Holts was also great at this. This has been a reoccurring issue with the current staff although Iím glad weíre seeing Mayer and Tyree being used.
                  Love Thee Notre Dame!

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                  • Originally posted by NDIrish88 View Post
                    Someone already said this, but there is no reason you can;t give him or Watts 3 routes each and call it a day. Also may be your playbook is too complex. It is football not rocket science.
                    Read the post before yours. Have to know the playbook in case an audible has to be called.

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                    • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                      Well its not as if thinking that is possible is really unreasonable. BKs dog house has hurt us in the past for example in the Georgia game in 2017 with refusing to give Williams 5 or so carries. Or Williams last season.
                      And if williams came in that game fumbles or blows a block and gets the qb killed for season then what?

                      They play who they play for a reason and talent isn't the sole reason. Trust is a huge part of that decision process, and trust is built in practice and off the field.

                      I think it deserves mention here that they finally decided to play Johnson and he immediately gets a 15 yarder for punching a guy.
                      Prehistoric

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                      • Originally posted by BabyIrish View Post
                        This has nothing to do with egoís or thinking weíre better then the coaches. This has everything to do with how other elite programs operate. They get their athletes ready and on the field. Clemson for the last couple of years plays upward to 6-8 receivers a gam and not just during scrub time. Same with Ohio State. Itís not saying that JJ or Watts should start. Itís saying they are athletes and they need to get on the field in some capacity. Lou Holts was also great at this. This has been a reoccurring issue with the current staff although Iím glad weíre seeing Mayer and Tyree being used.
                        Or maybe their athletes are better and that's why they are elite. Or maybe their athletes have less off field demands allowing them to be more prepared.
                        Prehistoric

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                        • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                          Or maybe their athletes are better and that's why they are elite. Or maybe their athletes have less off field demands allowing them to be more prepared.
                          Iíll take B for 1000. I cannot believe that people still have to explain that being a Freshman Student Athlete at ND is radically different than at say Clemson. Itís the deadest of dead horses.

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                          • Listen


                            Throw out Lenzy, MM, JJ, and Austin

                            .Theres no way they drop more passes than I saw last week.

                            And theyre studs.
                            .
                            off we go. Go Irish.

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                            • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                              Iíll take B for 1000. I cannot believe that people still have to explain that being a Freshman Student Athlete at ND is radically different than at say Clemson. Itís the deadest of dead horses.


                              Blah Blah Blah.


                              Get them in there. We're living under a COVID year and playing in a conference.

                              Fuck it.


                              Give it hell.

                              (big fan bluto)

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                              • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                                Or maybe their athletes are better and that's why they are elite. Or maybe their athletes have less off field demands allowing them to be more prepared.
                                Or maybe theyíre better coaches
                                Love Thee Notre Dame!

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                                • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                                  Iíll take B for 1000. I cannot believe that people still have to explain that being a Freshman Student Athlete at ND is radically different than at say Clemson. Itís the deadest of dead horses.
                                  Add to it that teams like Clemson push hard for their recruits to enroll early. This season's Clemson team had 15 freshman on campus in the spring and that's pretty consistent with other programs.

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                                  • On the same narrative, watching Game Day. They just talked about ND/Pitt.

                                    Pretty much said ND isn't a top 5 team, and the passing game needs to improve.

                                    Herb said something like "Book is fine, they need to develop the young WRs"......
                                    The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                    Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                    • Originally posted by NDohio View Post
                                      Add to it that teams like Clemson push hard for their recruits to enroll early. This season's Clemson team had 15 freshman on campus in the spring and that's pretty consistent with other programs.
                                      It's easy when they don't have foreign language requirements...

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                                      • Originally posted by FightingIrishLover7 View Post
                                        It's easy when they don't have foreign language requirements...
                                        Need MORE German players...
                                        The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                        Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                        • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                          Need MORE German players...
                                          Sampson is reporting Johnson is not on the field for warmups

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                                          • Originally posted by stpeteirish View Post
                                            Sampson is reporting Johnson is not on the field for warmups
                                            Canít wait to see Pelini getting reps at WR today.
                                            "Fvck Michigan" - The World

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                                            • Originally posted by stpeteirish View Post
                                              Sampson is reporting Johnson is not on the field for warmups
                                              He prolly zigged off the bus when he should have zagged. See ya in 2023. #traits

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                                              • Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
                                                He prolly zigged off the bus when he should have zagged. See ya in 2023. #traits

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                                                • They might have no choice but to play him now due to all these injuries

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                                                  • How do we explain to recruits that even at 45-3 we wont get you involved but we still want you to come here? Its great recruiting given that self inflicted situation.

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                                                    • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                      How do we explain to recruits that even at 45-3 we wont get you involved but we still want you to come here? Its great recruiting given that self inflicted situation.

                                                      He didn’t make the trip. If the game was at home I’m sure he would have made the trip. Remember you can only bring what like 57 guys on a road trip?


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                                                      • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                        How do we explain to recruits that even at 45-3 we wont get you involved but we still want you to come here? Its great recruiting given that self inflicted situation.
                                                        didn't travel with team
                                                        The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                        Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                        • Originally posted by Sherm Sticky View Post
                                                          He didn’t make the trip. If the game was at home I’m sure he would have made the trip. Remember you can only bring what like 57 guys on a road trip?


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                                                          To me that is weird seeing as how unestablished the WR pecking order is.
                                                          Maybe he is out with something. Did Watt make the trip?

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                                                          • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                            To me that is weird seeing as how unestablished the WR pecking order is.
                                                            Maybe he is out with something. Did Watt make the trip?
                                                            Someone suggested based on verbiage from one of the pay sites, that it sounded like behavioral issue. Nothing concrete, just the way it was positioned, and that we may not see him for a while....
                                                            The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                            Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                            • Whenever we sign a kid that i'm surprised wants to go to ND there's almost always issues.

                                                              Davaris Daniels
                                                              Aaron Lynch
                                                              Davonte Neal
                                                              Deontay Greenberry (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                              Tee Shepard (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                              Greg Bryant
                                                              Dexter Williams
                                                              Javon McKinley
                                                              Kevin Austin

                                                              Some of these guys figured it out later on but these type of borderline guys panning out are part of what separate Bama & Georgia from ND.

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                                                              • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                Someone suggested based on verbiage from one of the pay sites, that it sounded like behavioral issue. Nothing concrete, just the way it was positioned, and that we may not see him for a while....
                                                                Oh, of course.
                                                                If I was a recruit for next year I would want to know details of Austin last year and JJ this year. BK just hates talent.

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                                                                • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                  Oh, of course.
                                                                  If I was a recruit for next year I would want to know details of Austin last year and JJ this year. BK just hates talent.
                                                                  As Mayer dominated today....

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                                                                  • Originally posted by NDPhilly View Post
                                                                    Whenever we sign a kid that i'm surprised wants to go to ND there's almost always issues.

                                                                    Davaris Daniels
                                                                    Aaron Lynch
                                                                    Davonte Neal
                                                                    Deontay Greenberry (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                                    Tee Shepard (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                                    Greg Bryant
                                                                    Dexter Williams
                                                                    Javon McKinley
                                                                    Kevin Austin

                                                                    Some of these guys figured it out later on but these type of borderline guys panning out are part of what separate Bama & Georgia from ND.

                                                                    Tee Shepard actually did make it to campus for a few weeks...


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                                                                    • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                      Oh, of course.
                                                                      If I was a recruit for next year I would want to know details of Austin last year and JJ this year. BK just hates talent.
                                                                      he seems to like Williams, Tyree, and Mayer.
                                                                      The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                                      Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                                      • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                        he seems to like Williams, Tyree, and Mayer.
                                                                        He dog-housed Williams last year after one play even though the media was raving about him in the pre season and clearly based off this year is a lot better than everyone who was playing ahead of him last year.

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                                                                        • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                          He dog-housed Williams last year after one play even though the media was raving about him in the pre season and clearly based off this year is a lot better than everyone who was playing ahead of him last year.
                                                                          I thought that was Long, not BK

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                                                                          • Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post
                                                                            I thought that was Long, not BK

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                                                                            I don't know, I remember a furious look on BKs face when KW dropped the pass.

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                                                                            • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                              I don't know, I remember a furious look on BKs face when KW dropped the pass.
                                                                              I mean, a freshman running back drops a pass in a big game against a top opponent. What HC wouldnít be red-faced? The OC trusted him enough to put him into the game with that personnel grouping and he didnít perform. If Iím the HC I react the same way. The fact that he never got a shot at redemption is on Chip.

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                                                                              • Originally posted by MacIrish75 View Post
                                                                                I mean, a freshman running back drops a pass in a big game against a top opponent. What HC wouldnít be red-faced? The OC trusted him enough to put him into the game with that personnel grouping and he didnít perform. If Iím the HC I react the same way. The fact that he never got a shot at redemption is on Chip.
                                                                                I thought Brian Kelly was the head coach last year.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                                  he seems to like Williams, Tyree, and Mayer.
                                                                                  Back to this. The complaint as I see it is that Kelly wrongly expects freshmen (though not seniors) to be close to perfect. Probably Mayer is close to perfect and Tyree maybe is as well.

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                                                                                  • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                                    I thought Brian Kelly was the head coach last year.
                                                                                    You would be correct. However, depending on the level of autonomy the HC gives the OC, BK may not have been dictating the personnel groupings on a possession-by-possession basis. It was Chipís offense last year for the most part, at least through a majority of the season.

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                                                                                    • There seems to be a bit of revisionist history re: Kyren.

                                                                                      He wasn't permanently benched just because of the drop. He had work to do with the weight room. He packed on to much weight prior to his freshman year and looked noticeably slower and there were reports of him going down pretty easily.

                                                                                      He needed to trim down and get back his explosiveness and agility. He looks very noticeably different now compared to what he did last year.
                                                                                      It's Just a Ride.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by Crazy Balki View Post
                                                                                        There seems to be a bit of revisionist history re: Kyren.

                                                                                        He wasn't permanently benched just because of the drop. He had work to do with the weight room. He packed on to much weight prior to his freshman year and looked noticeably slower and there were reports of him going down pretty easily.

                                                                                        He needed to trim down and get back his explosiveness and agility. He looks very noticeably different now compared to what he did last year.
                                                                                        This is accurate. Watch the spring game from 2019. Kyren has a small gut and zero definition.

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by NDPhilly View Post
                                                                                          Whenever we sign a kid that i'm surprised wants to go to ND there's almost always issues.

                                                                                          Davaris Daniels
                                                                                          Aaron Lynch
                                                                                          Davonte Neal
                                                                                          Deontay Greenberry (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                                                          Tee Shepard (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                                                          Greg Bryant
                                                                                          Dexter Williams
                                                                                          Javon McKinley
                                                                                          Kevin Austin

                                                                                          Some of these guys figured it out later on but these type of borderline guys panning out are part of what separate Bama & Georgia from ND.
                                                                                          Other than Dexter, that list is depressing. And even he left a lot on the table.
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                                                                                          • I looked it up, JJ is the only skill player (apart from Demond Demas) in the 247 top 50 who isn't playing.

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                                                                                            • Originally posted by NDPhilly View Post
                                                                                              Whenever we sign a kid that i'm surprised wants to go to ND there's almost always issues.

                                                                                              Davaris Daniels
                                                                                              Aaron Lynch
                                                                                              Davonte Neal
                                                                                              Deontay Greenberry (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                                                              Tee Shepard (Didn't make it to campus)
                                                                                              Greg Bryant
                                                                                              Dexter Williams
                                                                                              Javon McKinley
                                                                                              Kevin Austin

                                                                                              Some of these guys figured it out later on but these type of borderline guys panning out are part of what separate Bama & Georgia from ND.
                                                                                              Originally posted by Junkhead View Post
                                                                                              Other than Dexter, that list is depressing. And even he left a lot on the table.
                                                                                              It is, but the list is also kind of arbitrary. Why is Javon McKinley on it but not Daelin Hayes? What about Chris Tyree? He also had doubt and skepticism if he would ultimately end up here. The first half of the list seems like a list of people who decommited/recommitted while the second half just seems like high profile players who didnít pan out.
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                                                                                              • Originally posted by phillyirish View Post
                                                                                                It is, but the list is also kind of arbitrary. Why is Javon McKinley on it but not Daelin Hayes? What about Chris Tyree? He also had doubt and skepticism if he would ultimately end up here. The first half of the list seems like a list of people who decommited/recommitted while the second half just seems like high profile players who didnít pan out.
                                                                                                No set criteria, just the vibe that I got from the recruit's interviews, social media, and other schools they considered when we were recruiting them. Tyree and Daelin especially seemed like "RKGs" to me at least. Max Redfield is an example of a guy that I thought was a great fit, RKG, etc... and still busted. Still don't understand that one.

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                                                                                                • You can add Alize to the list. Why is it always offensive players?

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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                                                    Oh, of course.
                                                                                                    If I was a recruit for next year I would want to know details of Austin last year and JJ this year. BK just hates talent.
                                                                                                    Nominate for dumbest post of the year

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                                                                                                    • This happens every year and people still get surprised by it. Spoiler alert, don't be surprised when Colzie doesn't get many snaps next year

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