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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostYep. Time for some far too in-depth analysis of practice videos, lol.My two favorite football teams: Notre Dame, and whoever's playing Michigan.
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Interesting note from Saturday's presser.
Someone (I think Sampson) asked Kelly, "You've never quite had d-line depth like this before...how are you addressing the spoil of riches there" (paraphrasing)
Kelly responded with (paraphrasing) - "We're looking at all options, we're trying to find ways to get a lot of them on the field in diffrent ways possibly...take a guy like Foskey, he can play multiple postions on the line...we could also give him a look at TE...we're still evaluating."
The Foskey TE dream is alive! (I think he's a better DE, but I think he could still be an elite TE and I kind of want to see both lol)
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Originally posted by FightingIrishLover7 View PostThe Foskey TE dream is alive! (I think he's a better DE, but I think he could still be an elite TE and I kind of want to see both lol)
ND has no issue at all recruiting high-level TEs. Their apparent lack of production recently has more to do with how they are used (and not being Tyler Eifert) than anything else.
There are exactly two reasons ND should move a WDE to TE:
1) He is not a very good WDE (lacks burst), but he is an excellent TE (6'5", excellent hands, long speed, loves to block)-- otherwise, move him to SDE.
2) He is playing behind so many good WDEs, that he might get bored and leave if you don't get him touches.
Tamper with any other position, but not WDE!!!!!Last edited by Domina Nostra; 08-12-2019, 08:58 AM.
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Originally posted by Domina Nostra View PostLOL! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! One good year of WDE depth and they are talking about moving a good WDE prospect. Madness!
ND has no issue at all recruiting high-level TEs. Their apparent lack of production recently has more to do with how they are used (and not being Tyler Eifert) than anything else.
There are exactly two reasons ND should move a WDE to TE:
1) He is not a very good WDE (lacks burst), but he is an excellent TE (6'5", excellent hands, long speed, loves to block)-- otherwise, move him to SDE.
2) He is playing behind so many good WDEs, that he might get bored and leave if you don't get him touches.
Tamper with any other position, but not WDE!!!!!
Lol. He's already ruling out the idea that Foskey will be here beyond 4. Since he can't steal real minutes at DE this year (next year he'll be primed), he could potentially take some snaps at TE to get him in the game and give us a chance to evaluate.
Real question: If Foskey is our 2nd or 3rd best TE with Kmet out, and our 7th best DE right now, should we give him a chance to play and see how he performs? He has all off season to grow into the DE position after this season.
If he can help us now, I'm all for it.
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When I read that I chose to ignore it because I can’t believe they’d be that silly. I don’t mind position switches but 1 year position switches? That seems like we’re trying to hard.Last edited by Luckylucci; 08-12-2019, 11:09 AM.
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Since we lose the BEST SET of three DEs in the nation after this year (and who therefore will eat almost all the snaps) why would we accentuate our following season replacement problems by moving a stud-in-training out of there?
The only thing that I could imagine to explain that would be if Lea/Kelly are SO HIGH on the DEs behind Kareem/ Okwara/ Hayes that they believe that four guys are set to move right in as destroyers --- THAT would be nice. I'll dream sweet dreams on that happy thought.
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Originally posted by FightingIrishLover7 View PostInteresting note from Saturday's presser.
Someone (I think Sampson) asked Kelly, "You've never quite had d-line depth like this before...how are you addressing the spoil of riches there" (paraphrasing)
Kelly responded with (paraphrasing) - "We're looking at all options, we're trying to find ways to get a lot of them on the field in diffrent ways possibly...take a guy like Foskey, he can play multiple postions on the line...we could also give him a look at TE...we're still evaluating."
The Foskey TE dream is alive! (I think he's a better DE, but I think he could still be an elite TE and I kind of want to see both lol)
Originally posted by Old Man Mike View PostSince we lose the BEST SET of three DEs in the nation after this year (and who therefore will eat almost all the snaps) why would we accentuate our following season replacement problems by moving a stud-in-training out of there?
The only thing that I could imagine to explain that would be if Lea/Kelly are SO HIGH on the DEs behind Kareem/ Okwara/ Neal that they believe that four guys are set to move right in as destroyers --- THAT would be nice. I'll dream sweet dreams on that happy thought.
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I am hopeful we will finally destroy some teams such that our 2nd string gets a lot of reps throughout the season and our Kareem/Okwara/Hayes rotation stays extra fresh.
If the kid gets some snaps at TE and DE as a frosh it can only be a good thing.
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For me it's pretty simple. I think we have depth chart full of guys that can be productive. However, I'm not sure I see that true "elite" type player. Justin A, Ovie, Ade, Nana, etc. are all quality players. I think Foskey is the only one that has that "elite" upside like a Julian Okwara. You don't mess with that, at all. Just like you don't put Hamilton on offense.
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostFor me it's pretty simple. I think we have depth chart full of guys that can be productive. However, I'm not sure I see that true "elite" type player. Justin A, Ovie, Ade, Nana, etc. are all quality players. I think Foskey is the only one that has that "elite" upside like a Julian Okwara. You don't mess with that, at all. Just like you don't put Hamilton on offense.
It's hard for me to see Foskey or Hamilton running a few routes/blocking and then all of a sudden forgetting how to do the defensive stuff.
"Back pedal? I've been going forward lately."
The real goal is to have enough quality depth that you don't need players making this kind of change but if the staff really believes either can be difference makers on offense this fall, I really don't know how to argue against it.
That would mean Foskey is better than our other options at TE or that Hamilton is better than our other redzone options.
Quite frankly, I hope neither of those are true because I'm hopeful everyone else will step up and keep the staff from considering it.
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostFor me it's pretty simple. I think we have depth chart full of guys that can be productive. However, I'm not sure I see that true "elite" type player. Justin A, Ovie, Ade, Nana, etc. are all quality players. I think Foskey is the only one that has that "elite" upside like a Julian Okwara. You don't mess with that, at all. Just like you don't put Hamilton on offense.
I don't think we had Julian pegged as a guy with "elite" upside when he got here. Most were just concerned that he was going to ever put on any weight.It's Just a Ride.
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Originally posted by Veritate Duce Progredi View PostOk good, we disagree on both. I think you use the players who help you win no matter what.
It's hard for me to see Foskey or Hamilton running a few routes/blocking and then all of a sudden forgetting how to do the defensive stuff.
"Back pedal? I've been going forward lately."
The real goal is to have enough quality depth that you don't need players making this kind of change but if the staff really believes either can be difference makers on offense this fall, I really don't know how to argue against it.
That would mean Foskey is better than our other options at TE or that Hamilton is better than our other redzone options.
Quite frankly, I hope neither of those are true because I'm hopeful everyone else will step up and keep the staff from considering it.
Well, for starters that's just not how it works, at all. They can't forget what they haven't even learned. Neither player is even close to a finished product and anytime they spend on said position is time they're taking away from perfecting their craft at another. For example, as good as Hamilton has been to start camp, he's been quite average in man coverage settings.
And at least in Hamilton's case, he disagrees with you as well. He said that he didn't realize how much DB work he was missing out on until after his senior season ended and he was able to focus all his training on being a defensive back. Those are from his lips to your ears.
Playing both ways sounds cool but only a small few do it with any real success and there is a reason for that. With the losses we have coming on defense, I'd focus two of the best long term players we got on that. Let's turn them into first round draft picks first, before we have them playing other positions.
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Originally posted by Crazy Balki View PostWe probably shouldn't draw conclusions on their upside when they're only about 1 year in at most.
I don't think we had Julian pegged as a guy with "elite" upside when he got here. Most were just concerned that he was going to ever put on any weight.
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostWell, for starters that's just not how it works, at all. They can't forget what they haven't even learned. Neither player is even close to a finished product and anytime they spend on said position is time they're taking away from perfecting their craft at another. For example, as good as Hamilton has been to start camp, he's been quite average in man coverage settings.
And at least in Hamilton's case, he disagrees with you as well. He said that he didn't realize how much DB work he was missing out on until after his senior season ended and he was able to focus all his training on being a defensive back. Those are from his lips to your ears.
Playing both ways sounds cool but only a small few do it with any real success and there is a reason for that. With the losses we have coming on defense, I'd focus two of the best long term players we got on that. Let's turn them into first round draft picks first, before we have them playing other positions.
I'm saying I trust the staff to not get too cute. If they put them on offense, it's because they offer something our other players don't. Simple as that.
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Originally posted by Crazy Balki View PostWe probably shouldn't draw conclusions on their upside when they're only about 1 year in at most.
I don't think we had Julian pegged as a guy with "elite" upside when he got here. Most were just concerned that he was going to ever put on any weight.Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostBut that's the whole point when speaking in terms of upside. Making projections. That's what being a recruitnik is all about.
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In regards to Julian O, it was obvious early in the '17 season that he was going to be very good at minimum and a good chance he was going to be the star he became.
Foskey doesn't have the weight issue so people can jump on the wagon quicker.
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Originally posted by Veritate Duce Progredi View PostI'm saying I trust the staff to not get too cute. If they put them on offense, it's because they offer something our other players don't. Simple as that.
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Originally posted by Veritate Duce Progredi View PostHis lips to my ears? He said he didn't want to play WR because it was too important for him to keep training at DB?
I'm saying I trust the staff to not get too cute. If they put them on offense, it's because they offer something our other players don't. Simple as that.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BK says DE Isaish Foskey will be a starter in one of their sub-packages this weekend. Saved him for this game so he can rush the passer.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1199011673815826433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BK says DE Isaish Foskey will be a starter in one of their sub-packages this weekend. Saved him for this game so he can rush the passer.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1199011673815826433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BK says DE Isaish Foskey will be a starter in one of their sub-packages this weekend. Saved him for this game so he can rush the passer.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1199011673815826433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Rhetorical question...........How can you be a starter if you're in a subpackage?
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I wonder what would have happened if Tree could have offered him? They are gonna find out what they missed.
If I was Hinish I'd be like... Hey Rook, is this your hometown team that said you were to dumb to play there? That's what I heard the RT and RG laughing about before ya came in. Just thought you'd wanna know...
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Originally posted by NDCrusader View PostI wonder what would have happened if Tree could have offered him? They are gonna find out what they missed.
If I was Hinish I'd be like... Hey Rook, is this your hometown team that said you were to dumb to play there? That's what I heard the RT and RG laughing about before ya came in. Just thought you'd wanna know...
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Originally posted by arrowryan View PostHe was about a half inch away from an interception while covering in the flat. It ended up being caught for a first, but he was so close.
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