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  • Facebook live today with 247 is going to reveal the 32 five star players
    Brotherhood may fade, but it will never run

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    • Wiltfong reports we might make a late push for Joseph Appiah Darkwa, a German DT prospect https://247sports.com/Player/Joseph-...rkwa-46079232/

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      • Originally posted by KizerWilhelm View Post
        Wiltfong reports we might make a late push for Joseph Appiah Darkwa, a German DT prospect https://247sports.com/Player/Joseph-...rkwa-46079232/
        Probably who Elston would see if hes out in Germany to see Ehrensberger. Question would be is he better than Jowon Briggs, Mazi Smith, and Rodas Johnson? Never seen him play so Im curious how good he could be.

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        • Originally posted by NDMIA View Post
          Probably who Elston would see if hes out in Germany to see Ehrensberger. Question would be is he better than Jowon Briggs, Mazi Smith, and Rodas Johnson? Never seen him play so Im curious how good he could be.
          He's a specimen. Way more athletic than those 3 when you consider how much taller/longer he is than them. Go watch his film. He's a college SDE playing DT right now.

          All the Ghana boys!

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          • Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
            He's a specimen. Way more athletic than those 3 when you consider how much taller/longer he is than them. Go watch his film. He's a college SDE playing DT right now.

            All the Ghana boys!
            I have been of the opinion that ND needs one more DT, specifically nose and I think this would be an awesome pick up. As a side note I know Penn State wants him but he doesn't love them as much. Also said he was very smart, almost too smart for PSU.

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            • Originally posted by NDIrish88 View Post
              I have been of the opinion that ND needs one more DT, specifically nose and I think this would be an awesome pick up. As a side note I know Penn State wants him but he doesn't love them as much. Also said he was very smart, almost too smart for PSU.
              He won't be playing NT and I'm not sure how much he could help out come Sept. 2nd at 3T. I really like the long term upside but not sure this really helps our functional depth for 2019. I think Cross is probably more ready to help than Joseph.

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              • Interesting story. Peyton Machota visited/camped at ND 3-4 times. Obviously wanted to be at ND. I thought for the longest he may be a PWO candidate because the offers just weren't rolling in. He had an Army offer and a UTEP or UTSA offer to finish his Sr. year. Then after the season, UMass, Tulane and Wyoming offered. He then visited Miami, they offered, he committed. Good for him. Had one hell of a Sr. year btw.

                <iframe class="twofourseven-embed" style="max-width: 100%" frameBorder="0" width="600" height="200" src="https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Peyton-Matocha-at-St-Thomas-193218/Embed/"></iframe><script async src="https://assets.247sports.com/Scripts/SkyNet/Shared/embed.js" charSet="utf-8"></script>

                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Extremely excited to announce that I am COMMITTED to the University of Miami!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheU</a>🌴 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TNM?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TNM</a> <a href="https://t.co/XTRocRGRZz">pic.twitter.com/XTRocRGRZz</a></p>&mdash; Peyton Matocha (@peyton_matocha) <a href="https://twitter.com/peyton_matocha/status/1089328764486668288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most prolific passer in <a href="https://twitter.com/STHCatholic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@STHCatholic</a> history played his last game for <a href="https://twitter.com/STHFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@STHFootball</a> yesterday. QB <a href="https://twitter.com/peyton_matocha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@peyton_matoch a</a> passed for 3,692 yards and 35 TDs in his senior season. He also rushed for 804 yards and 14 TDs. 4469 total yards and 49 total TDs. He is an absolute weapon. <a href="https://t.co/2LMsl9SdYp">pic.twitter.com/2LMsl9SdYp</a></p>&mdash; Josh Hooten (@CoachHooten) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachHooten/status/1066787400817496066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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                • Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                  Interesting story. Peyton Machota visited/camped at ND 3-4 times. Obviously wanted to be at ND. I thought for the longest he may be a PWO candidate because the offers just weren't rolling in. He had an Army offer and a UTEP or UTSA offer to finish his Sr. year. Then after the season, UMass, Tulane and Wyoming offered. He then visited Miami, they offered, he committed. Good for him. Had one hell of a Sr. year btw.

                  <iframe class="twofourseven-embed" style="max-width: 100%" frameBorder="0" width="600" height="200" src="https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Peyton-Matocha-at-St-Thomas-193218/Embed/"></iframe><script async src="https://assets.247sports.com/Scripts/SkyNet/Shared/embed.js" charSet="utf-8"></script>

                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Extremely excited to announce that I am COMMITTED to the University of Miami!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheU</a>🌴 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TNM?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TNM</a> <a href="https://t.co/XTRocRGRZz">pic.twitter.com/XTRocRGRZz</a></p>&mdash; Peyton Matocha (@peyton_matocha) <a href="https://twitter.com/peyton_matocha/status/1089328764486668288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most prolific passer in <a href="https://twitter.com/STHCatholic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@STHCatholic</a> history played his last game for <a href="https://twitter.com/STHFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@STHFootball</a> yesterday. QB <a href="https://twitter.com/peyton_matocha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@peyton_matoch a</a> passed for 3,692 yards and 35 TDs in his senior season. He also rushed for 804 yards and 14 TDs. 4469 total yards and 49 total TDs. He is an absolute weapon. <a href="https://t.co/2LMsl9SdYp">pic.twitter.com/2LMsl9SdYp</a></p>&mdash; Josh Hooten (@CoachHooten) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachHooten/status/1066787400817496066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                  Its too bad ND doesnt play Miami for the next 5 seasons. People are really pumped to have Manny Diaz in charge. Hes brought a lot of excitement back to the program. Tate Martell, Asa Martin, KJ Osborn from Buffalo, Tommy Kennedy from Butler, Chigozie Nnoruka from UCLA, and Bubba Bolden all added from the transfer portal. Also might bring in Trevon Hill from VT and Jaelan Phillips from UCLA. Now have to see their offense improve, but QB and OL have been their problems and theyve got a full room of 5 scholly QBs now (RS SO Tate Martell, RS SO NKosi Perry, RS SO Cade Weldon, RS FR Jarren Williams, FR Peyton Matocha) and Dan Enos seems like a good guy to lead them.

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                  • Originally posted by NDMIA View Post
                    Its too bad ND doesnt play Miami for the next 5 seasons. People are really pumped to have Manny Diaz in charge. Hes brought a lot of excitement back to the program. Tate Martell, Asa Martin, KJ Osborn from Buffalo, Tommy Kennedy from Butler, Chigozie Nnoruka from UCLA, and Bubba Bolden all added from the transfer portal. Also might bring in Trevon Hill from VT and Jaelan Phillips from UCLA. Now have to see their offense improve, but QB and OL have been their problems and theyve got a full room of 5 scholly QBs now (RS SO Tate Martell, RS SO NKosi Perry, RS SO Cade Weldon, RS FR Jarren Williams, FR Peyton Matocha) and Dan Enos seems like a good guy to lead them.
                    I think they will be terrible again this year

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                    • man not even a signing day thread. i know the class is locked down but just seems wrong.
                      Last edited by NDdomer2; 02-06-2019, 09:04 AM.
                      Prehistoric

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                      • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                        man not even a signing day thread. i know the class is knocked down but just seems wrong.
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                        • https://admin.und.com/signingday/football/football/2/

                          I cant remember if all these videos already existed as of early signing period or not
                          Prehistoric

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                          • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                            man not even a signing day thread. i know the class is locked down but just seems wrong.
                            First signing day in years i'm actually going to get work done.

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                            • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                              man not even a signing day thread. i know the class is locked down but just seems wrong.
                              ???

                              I posted the 2019 signing day thread 6 months ago:

                              https://www.irishenvy.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=327122

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                              • Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                                ???

                                I posted the 2019 signing day thread 6 months ago:

                                https://www.irishenvy.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=327122
                                LOL... nice

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                                • Originally posted by GrangerIrish24 View Post
                                  First signing day in years i'm actually going to get work done.
                                  SAME
                                  EMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE

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                                  • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">5-star All-American RB Jerrion Ealy announces commitment to Ole Miss over Alabama, Clemson <a href="https://t.co/9pd7HgPchM">https://t.co/9pd7HgPchM</a></p>&mdash; Saturday Down South (@SDS) <a href="https://twitter.com/SDS/status/1093197385294000128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                    Ole Mi$$ is back baby!
                                    What did Davonte do?

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                                    • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                      <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">5-star All-American RB Jerrion Ealy announces commitment to Ole Miss over Alabama, Clemson <a href="https://t.co/9pd7HgPchM">https://t.co/9pd7HgPchM</a></p>&mdash; Saturday Down South (@SDS) <a href="https://twitter.com/SDS/status/1093197385294000128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                      Ole Mi$$ is back baby!
                                      lol he's not going to play football for Ole Miss. He's a 1st or 2nd round MLB draft pick this summer. He's not gonna go to college which is why Bama & Clemson had him to visit and then crickets after their visits.

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                                      • Originally posted by NDMIA View Post
                                        lol he's not going to play football for Ole Miss. He's a 1st or 2nd round MLB draft pick this summer. He's not gonna go to college which is why Bama & Clemson had him to visit and then crickets after their visits.
                                        he said today he'd play baseball and football at Ole Miss
                                        What did Davonte do?

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                                        • Isaiah Foskey commits

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                                          • I dont care what the sites have this class ranked. This is my favorite class in quite sometime. I think theres a lot of defensive guys in this class that will be able to contribute for multiple years.

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                                            • Crusader 2019 CPI - (Class Production Index)

                                              1. Hamilton
                                              2. Lacey
                                              3. Correll
                                              4. Kiser
                                              5. Carroll
                                              6. Williams
                                              7. KAR
                                              8. Foskey
                                              9. Rutherford
                                              10. Cross
                                              11. Clark
                                              12. Liufau
                                              13. Wallace
                                              14. Kristofic
                                              15. Ekwonu
                                              16. NOM
                                              17. Olmstead
                                              18. Bertrand
                                              19. Ajavon
                                              20. Spears
                                              21. Hart
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                                              22. Bramblett
                                              23. Leonard
                                              Last edited by NDCrusader; 02-06-2019, 08:11 PM. Reason: I can't spell Eckwonu, I mean Ekwonu.

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                                              • I figured this would make for a good convo tonight...

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                                                • Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                                                  I figured this would make for a good convo tonight...
                                                  i noticed you added the bar between the ST guys

                                                  i was going to reply earlier that odds are they would have more impact than 25% of the class just due to nature of position but i knew that wasnt exactly what you were going for in ur ranking.
                                                  Prehistoric

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                                                  • Is this Production for this coming year only, or life of career?

                                                    Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                                                    Crusader 2019 CPI - (Class Production Index)

                                                    1. Hamilton
                                                    2. Lacey
                                                    3. Correll
                                                    4. Kiser
                                                    5. Carroll
                                                    6. Williams
                                                    7. KAR
                                                    8. Foskey
                                                    9. Rutherford
                                                    10. Cross
                                                    11. Clark
                                                    12. Liufau
                                                    13. Wallace
                                                    14. Kristofic
                                                    15. Ekwonu
                                                    16. NOM
                                                    17. Olmstead
                                                    18. Bertrand
                                                    19. Ajavon
                                                    20. Spears
                                                    21. Hart
                                                    ---------------
                                                    22. Bramblett
                                                    23. Leonard
                                                    The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                    Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                    • At 20. Spears is way low unless it is just for 19.

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                                                      • very good class, my only criticism is we should have gotten Kalfifidis.

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                                                        • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                                                          i noticed you added the bar between the ST guys

                                                          i was going to reply earlier that odds are they would have more impact than 25% of the class just due to nature of position but i knew that wasnt exactly what you were going for in ur ranking.
                                                          Exactly. I'd take Bramblett & Leonard over the entire field for next year.

                                                          Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                          Is this Production for this coming year only, or life of career?
                                                          Career at ND... not including the P/K's

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                                                          • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                            At 20. Spears is way low unless it is just for 19.
                                                            I think he gets pinched even if he didn't get injured. The injury just makes his path to snaps all the much harder and then the class behind him will be two tiers higher than this class.

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                                                            • 1. Hamilton 2
                                                              2. Lacey 1
                                                              3. Correll 3
                                                              4. Kiser 4
                                                              5. Carroll 8
                                                              6. Williams 5
                                                              7. KAR 7
                                                              8. Foskey 11
                                                              9. Rutherford 6
                                                              10. Cross 10
                                                              11. Clark 21
                                                              12. Liufau 20
                                                              13. Wallace 13
                                                              14. Kristofic 16
                                                              15. Ekwonu 18
                                                              16. NOM 9
                                                              17. Olmstead 17
                                                              18. Bertrand 12
                                                              19. Ajavon 14
                                                              20. Spears 15
                                                              21. Hart 19
                                                              ---------------
                                                              The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                              Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                              • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                1. Hamilton 2
                                                                2. Lacey 1
                                                                3. Correll 3
                                                                4. Kiser 4
                                                                5. Carroll 8
                                                                6. Williams 5
                                                                7. KAR 7
                                                                8. Foskey 11
                                                                9. Rutherford 6
                                                                10. Cross 10
                                                                11. Clark 21
                                                                12. Liufau 20
                                                                13. Wallace 13
                                                                14. Kristofic 16
                                                                15. Ekwonu 18
                                                                16. NOM 9
                                                                17. Olmstead 17
                                                                18. Bertrand 12
                                                                19. Ajavon 14
                                                                20. Spears 15
                                                                21. Hart 19
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                                                                Wow. Someone brave enough to NOT have Hamilton at #1.

                                                                I'm kinda surprised we are on the same page on as much as we are. Kiser & Kristofic especially.

                                                                Clark I understand. I've got him that high because I'm going he beats out Pyne for a year after 5*Phil leaves. He very well could transfer or hold a clipboard forever and finish tied for 21st.

                                                                On Liufau, he might never make it to campus. I think that it's higher than the sites are talking about. I think he does make it to SB and gets serious burn as he gets into his JR year & on.

                                                                I think NOM is a prime candidate to get pinched in between classes.

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                                                                • TOP 10. NO INTERVIEWS/RESPECT MY DECISION

                                                                  Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                                                                  Crusader 2019 CPI - (Class Production Index)

                                                                  1. Hamilton (1)
                                                                  2. Lacey (3)
                                                                  3. Correll (8)
                                                                  4. Kiser
                                                                  5. Carroll (4)
                                                                  6. Williams (2)
                                                                  7. KAR
                                                                  8. Foskey (10)
                                                                  9. Rutherford
                                                                  10. Cross
                                                                  11. Clark
                                                                  12. Liufau
                                                                  13. Wallace
                                                                  14. Kristofic (5)
                                                                  15. Ekwonu (9)
                                                                  16. NOM (7)
                                                                  17. Olmstead
                                                                  18. Bertrand
                                                                  19. Ajavon
                                                                  20. Spears (6)
                                                                  21. Hart
                                                                  ---------------
                                                                  22. Bramblett
                                                                  23. Leonard

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                                                                  • Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                                                                    Wow. Someone brave enough to NOT have Hamilton at #1.

                                                                    I'm kinda surprised we are on the same page on as much as we are. Kiser & Kristofic especially.

                                                                    Clark I understand. I've got him that high because I'm going he beats out Pyne for a year after 5*Phil leaves. He very well could transfer or hold a clipboard forever and finish tied for 21st.

                                                                    On Liufau, he might never make it to campus. I think that it's higher than the sites are talking about. I think he does make it to SB and gets serious burn as he gets into his JR year & on.

                                                                    I think NOM is a prime candidate to get pinched in between classes.
                                                                    I'm defining production as snaps, not really who's best. I think Hamilton is probably the best in the class, just won't be as productive as early. I'm very high on Kiser. I just think he's a winner. I think he'll be a special teams monster day one, and won't be kept off the field later.

                                                                    NOM, Liufau, and Kristofic could go either way. I could be really wrong about them. More or less gut feels. I think we're going to see a few more years of Book. Once PJ gets his turn, I think Pyne will have enough time here to stake his claim when PJ bolts. But who knows, PJ could end up being another Wimbush, and Clark a Book.
                                                                    The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                                    Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                                    • Below I am posting a list of all of Notre Dame's offers on offense to along with a summary and grade of how ND in this 2019 cycle. The grades are a total personal opinion and aren't very informed but rather just opinionated and based off of what I think each position group looks like for the 2019 cycle. I added their composite 247 rating, a star rating which takes into account if they have multiple sites naming them 4*'s or 3*'s, where they're from, how far they have to go to campus (over 8hrs driving is listed as FAR), and when they visited Notre Dame.

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                                                                      • QB (1 guy)
                                                                        GRADE: C+

                                                                        .9942 5* Spencer Rattler – AZ – FAR – Never Visited – OKLAHOMA
                                                                        .9857 5* Bo Nix – AL – FAR – Never Visited – AUBURN
                                                                        .9689 4* Graham Mertz – KS – FAR – 6/11/17 – WISCONSIN
                                                                        .9304 4* Dylan Morris – WA – FAR – 6/24/17 – WASHINGTON
                                                                        .9127 4* Max Duggan – IA – 7h45m – 4/2/17 & 3/10/18 – TCU
                                                                        .9052 4* Cade McNamara – NV – FAR – 6/18/17 & 9/9/17 & 10/21/17 – MICHIGAN
                                                                        .8972 4* Paul Tyson – AL – FAR – 4/2/17 – ALABAMA
                                                                        .8851 3* Grant Gunnell – TX – FAR – Never Visited – ARIZONA
                                                                        .8796 3* Brendon Clark – VA – FAR – 6/16/18 & 9/1/18 – NOTRE DAME
                                                                        For the QB position I understand that ND has 2018 & 2020 knocked out of the park for QB recruiting, but championship level programs collect top tier talent every single year and the QB position is not an exception. The 2019 cycle at QB can be defined by the phrase “What If”. Cade McNamara and Dylan Morris both camped at ND in the summer of 2017 and received offers on the same day. Two weeks later Dylan Morris committed to Washington & Cade McNamara committed to ND the next day. Now I’d need help in remembering and figuring out if Dylan Morris wanted into ND’s class, but I’m not sure because I’ve seen rumors of Morris wanting to be at ND, but ended up at Washington. Fast forward several months and McNamara flakes out and they get Max Duggan on campus who “grew up a Notre Dame fan” and offers him on his visit, but in short order he commits to TCU. Finally, ND makes a big run at Graham Mertz, who visited during the same June 2017 summer as McNamara & Morris, but ends up losing out to his prior commitment. The what ifs begin with what if ND had taken Morris instead of McNamara, what if the staff laid out the red carpet for Duggan who was making a decision soon, and what if ND had offered Mertz back in June of 2017. All in all, I think ND got a solid QB in Brendon Clark and I think (along with Brian Driskell at Rivals) that he’s upgrade over the immobile Cade McNamara. Still, ND had the opportunity and probably a good one at getting some seriously good 4* QB’s and ended up with their lowest rated offer on the board so they get a C+.
                                                                        Last edited by NDMIA; 02-08-2019, 02:24 PM.

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                                                                        • RB (2 guys)
                                                                          GRADE: B-

                                                                          .9870 5* Jerrion Ealy – MS – FAR – Never Visited – OLE MISS
                                                                          .9760 4* Zach Charbonnet – CA – FAR – Never Visited – MICHIGAN
                                                                          .9699 4* Quavaris Crouch – NC – FAR – Never Visited – TENNESSEE
                                                                          .9643 4* Devyn Ford – VA – FAR – Never Visited – PENN STATE
                                                                          .9471 4* Austin Jones – CA – FAR – Never Visited – STANFORD
                                                                          .9255 4* Sampson James – IN – 2h55m – 6/10/17 & 9/2/17 & 1/27/18 – INDIANA
                                                                          .9233 4* Kenny McIntosh – FL – FAR – 4/22/17 & 10/28/17 – GEORGIA
                                                                          .9139 4* Derrian Brown – GA – FAR – Never Visited – TEXAS
                                                                          .9126 4* Steele Chambers – GA – FAR – 11/19/16 & 3/3/18 – OHIO STATE
                                                                          .9105 4* Chez Mellusi – FL – FAR – 9/9/17 – CLEMSON
                                                                          .9061 4* Nay’Quan Wright – FL – FAR – Never Visited – FLORIDA
                                                                          .9045 4* Jirehl Brock – IL – 5h30m – Never Visited – IOWA STATE
                                                                          .8918 4* Kyren Williams – MO – 5h45m – 6/10/17 & 1/27/18 & 6/16/18 & 9/1/18 & 9/29/18 – NOTRE DAME
                                                                          .8884 4* Kenan Christon – CA – FAR – Never Visited – USC
                                                                          .8789 3* Kendall Abdur-Rahman – IL – 5h15m – 4/21/18 & 9/1/18 – NOTRE DAME
                                                                          .8776 3* Julius Davis – WI – 3h30m – Never Visited – WISCONSIN
                                                                          .8763 3* King Doerue – TX – FAR – Never Visited – PURDUE
                                                                          .8519 3* Brandon Legendre – LA – FAR – Never Visited – LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE
                                                                          Man it is going to be fun to watch 2020 RB recruiting to see the differences between Lance Taylor and Autry Denson on the recruiting trail. I absolutely loved Autry Denson as a position coach as he’s an exceptional teacher and an even better human being. However, his recruiting prowess was a concern in the Gug according to Pete Sampson and your RB coach should be one of your better recruiters on your staff. As for this class, the box is checked in terms of getting a 4* RB in Kyren Williams and I suppose according to Tim O’Malley and Tim Prister, Kendall Abdur-Rahman will be a RB now too. My absolute favorite recruit at the position, Jirehl Brock was offered eventually, but apparently it was only to motivate Kyren Williams to hurry up and commit to ND already which kills me inside a little. I think a lot of ND fans, including myself are frustrated with the fact that the RB recruiting has been average at best for a program that has so much to offer for their RB’s. Austin Jones was a top target for a long time and he never even made it to campus. Steele Chambers made it to campus twice, but chose arch rival Ohio State which stinks. On top of that, Chez Mellusi cancelled his OV where he probably was going to commit according to some of the ND insiders. That is the one I am not sure about because Brian Driskell over on the BGI podcast just mentioned that he had the grades, was clearly talented enough to contribute at ND considering Clemson was willing to take him, but the staff chose to pass on him. Now that there are two RB’s in the class, wouldn’t the staff have wanted a pure RB to go along with an APB like Kyren Williams and Kendall Abdur-Rahman? Kendall Abdur-Rahman and Kyren Williams seem to have a similar skillset in that they are smaller and shiftier guys than a true workhorse back. I’m not a good analyst of the skillsets, but it seems like ND is doubling up on a similar thing and didn’t want a commitment from an Army All American (Chez Mellusi).
                                                                          Last edited by NDMIA; 02-08-2019, 02:24 PM.

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                                                                          • WR (1 guy)
                                                                            Grade: D+

                                                                            .9903 5* Garrett Wilson – TX – FAR – 3/24/18 – OHIO STATE
                                                                            .9812 5* Kyle Ford – CA – FAR – Never Visited – USC
                                                                            .9752 4* Jake Smith – AZ – FAR – 1/27/18 – TEXAS
                                                                            .9733 5* Joe Ngata – WA – FAR – 1/27/18 – CLEMSON
                                                                            .9678 4* Dylan Wright – TX – FAR – 4/1/18 – TEXAS A&M
                                                                            .9603 4* DeMarcco Hellams – MD – FAR – Never Visited – ALABAMA
                                                                            .9601 4* Elijah Higgins – TX – FAR – Never Visited – STANFORD
                                                                            .9578 4* Mycah Pittman – CA – FAR – Never Visited – OREGON
                                                                            .9564 4* Marquez Beason – TX – FAR – Never Visited – ILLINOIS
                                                                            .9495 4* David Bell – IN – 2h40m – 10/15/16 & 4/2/17 & 9/9/17 – PURDUE
                                                                            .9479 4* Isaiah Williams – MO – 5h35m – 3/25/17 – ILLINOIS
                                                                            .9469 4* John Dunmore – FL – FAR – Never Visited – PENN STATE
                                                                            .9421 4* Zion Puckett – GA – FAR – Never Visited – AUBURN
                                                                            .9395 4* Arjei Henderson – TX – FAR – Never Visited – FLORIDA
                                                                            .9384 4* Marcus Washington – MO – 5h40m – Never Visited – TEXAS
                                                                            .9294 4* Cornelius Johnson – CT – FAR – 3/3/18 & 9/1/18 – MICHIGAN
                                                                            .9182 4* Kam Brown – TX – FAR – 1/27/18 – TEXAS A&M
                                                                            .9157 4* Jonathan Mingo – MS – FAR – Never Visited – OLE MISS
                                                                            .9129 4* Trey Knox – TN – 7h20m – Never Visited – ARKANSAS
                                                                            .9087 4* Drake London – CA – FAR – Never Visited – USC
                                                                            .9048 4* Donovan Greene – NC – FAR – 10/21/17 – WAKE FOREST
                                                                            .9043 4* John Metchie – MD – FAR – 4/12/18 – ALABAMA
                                                                            .8936 3* John Rhys Plumlee – MS – FAR – Never Visited – OLE MISS
                                                                            .8898 3* Genson Hooper-Price – TX – FAR – 9/29/18 – NORTHWESTERN
                                                                            .8884 4* Demariyon Houston – OK – FAR – Never Visited – NEBRASKA
                                                                            .8862 3* Jamie Nance – OK – FAR – 6/23/18 – NEBRASKA
                                                                            .8811 4* Bryce Kirtz – IN – 2h40m – 10/15/16 & 10/29/16 – NORTHWESTERN
                                                                            .8743 3* TJ Sheffield – TN – 7h20m – 1/27/18 – PURDUE
                                                                            .8711 3* Cam Hart – MD – FAR – 6/2/18 – NOTRE DAME
                                                                            .8709 3* Elijah Bowick – NC – FAR – Never Visited – VIRGINIA TECH
                                                                            As an FYI, this is not an attack on Cam Hart. I think he might end up being a solid WR for ND in the future. The problem I have with this recruiting at the WR position in the 2019 cycle was that ND took a dream class in 2018 and has a dream class set up in 2020 so they are okay with taking a small number and maybe a developmental guy in 2019. I think that’s a shame and ND should have done a better job in recruiting the top targets on their board. If you know that you only need 1 WR for the entire cycle then I’d focus all my efforts on the top dudes and not worry about when I take a certain commitment. ND offered 30 WR’s in the 2019 cycle and they got the 29th best one according to 247Sports’ composite rating system. I don’t know why the staff was impatient in taking a commitment from Cam Hart in July when they could’ve/should’ve waited on some WR’s for the fall semester (Cornelius Johnson was extremely interested in ND, but ND didn’t recruit him all that hard from what it sounds like after Hart committed). This was also a cycle where they had some guys in driving distance from campus in Trey Knox and Marcus Washington, but they never even set foot on campus I believe. I know there weren’t a ton of shoe-in recruits who were demographic and geographic fits for ND, but that doesn’t excuse needing 1-2 guys in the class and having the whole cycle to work on top guys and coming up with a lower end 3*. Texas was able to reel in Marcus Washington, Jake Smith, Bru McCoy, and Jordan Whittington with only one of those dudes coming from the state of Texas. USC lost their position coach, return a loaded WR corps, and got 2 big time dudes (3 if Nacua stays which I doubt). Clemson might have the best WR group in the country and they added a 5* and high 4* to their roster. Anyway, I am confident Del Alexander & Chip Long will get some great dudes in 2020 and this will all go away, but looking at just the 2019 recruiting class with all of the dudes they got on campus combined with the 30 guys they offered, I am disappointed they couldn’t scoop up a highly rated dude. Seems like a missed opportunity to have several months to work on just getting 1 top dude in the class and you end up beating out Michigan State and Virginia Tech for a 3* guy from the mid-Atlantic.
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                                                                            • TE (0 guys)
                                                                              Grade: D

                                                                              .9731 5* Baylor Cupp TX FAR Never Visited TEXAS A&M
                                                                              .9467 4* Austin Stogner TX FAR 6/11/17 OKLAHOMA
                                                                              .9423 4* Hudson Henry AR FAR 1/27/18 ARKANSAS
                                                                              .9307 4* Brayden Liebrock AZ FAR 3/24/18 TEXAS
                                                                              .9169 4* Grayson Boomer OK FAR 6/16/17 OKLAHOMA STATE
                                                                              .9112 4* Ryland Goede GA FAR Never Visited GEORGIA
                                                                              .9106 4* Jude Wolfe CA FAR 1/27/18 USC
                                                                              .8947 3* Jackson Lowe GA FAR Never Visited TENNESSEE
                                                                              .8937 4* Erick All OH 4h Never Visited MICHIGAN
                                                                              .8935 4* Brenton Strange WV FAR 6/18/18 PENN STATE
                                                                              .8837 4* Ethan Rae CA FAR 4/7/18 USC
                                                                              .8676 3* Luke Deal SC FAR 4/16/18 AUBURN
                                                                              I know I mentioned in the WR section that I wouldnt look at the potential of 2020, but ND already has guys at the TE position committed and very solidly I might add. At 2020 WR, none of the WR prospects even have a commitment coming up in the next few months from what I know so with TE I took into account the 2018 & 2020 cycles because they have guys in the fold. I figured Id bump the grade up a letter grade for this cycle from an F to a D in order to account for the fact that ND got 4 awesome TEs in the 3 cycles. Just for the 2019 cycle though, the staff didnt get a single commit and have 4 TEs on scholarship for the coming season which is a little dangerous. Im never in favor of skipping a cycle at a position group and the TE room is no different. I do think they wouldnt have gotten commitments from the two studs in 2020 if they had taken a TE in 2019, but Im not positive of that and an injury to Cole Kmet or Brock Wright would immediately force extensive playing time for two unknowns in Takacs and Tremble (Takacs coming off of major shoulder surgery btw).

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                                                                              • OL (4 guys)
                                                                                Grade: A

                                                                                .9926 5* Kenyon Green – TX – FAR – Never Visited – TEXAS A&M
                                                                                .9868 4* Harry Miller – GA – FAR – 3/3/18 – OHIO STATE
                                                                                .9722 4* Tyler Johnson – TX – FAR – 11/19/16 – TEXAS
                                                                                .9671 4* Sean Rhyan – CA – FAR – Never Visited – UCLA
                                                                                .9648 4* Amari Knight – AL – FAR – Never Visited – ALABAMA
                                                                                .9578 4* Zeke Correll – OH – 4h30m – 10/28/17 & 3/3/18 & 4/7/18 & 6/16/18 & 9/29/18 – NOTRE DAME
                                                                                .9472 4* Quinn Carroll – MN – 7h50m – 4/2/17 & 10/21/17 & 2/17/18 & 4/21/18 & 9/1/18 – NOTRE DAME

                                                                                .9445 4* Enokk Vimahi – HI – FAR – 9/1/18 – OHIO STATE
                                                                                .9349 4* Bryce Benhart – MN – FAR – Never Visited – NEBRASKA
                                                                                .9295 4* Nolan Rumler – OH – 4h15m – 10/29/16 – MICHIGAN
                                                                                .9254 4* Andrew Kristofic – PA – 5h35m – 3/27/18 & 4/23/18 & 9/29/18 – NOTRE DAME
                                                                                .9242 4* John Olmstead – NJ – FAR – 6/23/17 & 11/18/17 & 4/9/18 & 9/1/18 – NOTRE DAME

                                                                                .9189 4* Bryan Hudson – KY – 5h – 10/15/16 & 11/4/17 – VIRGINIA TECH
                                                                                .9027 3* Saleem Wormley – DE – FAR – 6/16/18 – PENN STATE
                                                                                .9013 4* Jason Rodriguez – CA – FAR – Never Visited – USC
                                                                                .8971 4* Sataoa Laumea – CA – FAR – Never Visited – UTAH
                                                                                .8958 4* Julius Buelow – HI – FAR – 6/6/18 – WASHINGTON
                                                                                .8912 3* Troy Fautanu – NV – FAR – Never Visited – WASHINGTON
                                                                                .8837 3* Walter Rouse – DC – FAR – 6/19/18 & 9/1/18 – STANFORD
                                                                                .8601 3* Taylor Miterko – NM – FAR – Never Visited – OKLAHOMA STATE
                                                                                Harry Miller along with Walter Rouse to a lesser degree is the only reason why this class isn’t an A+. Jeff Quinn’s freshman campaign at ND was ridiculous on the recruiting cycle where he beat some of the big boys for signatures from Quinn Carroll, Zeke Correll, Andrew Kristofic, and John Olmstead. One of the things in judging a recruit is the amount of offers he has. That’s not always the end all view of a recruit, but it gives a pretty good insight into the fact that they are wanted men. Zeke Correll pulled in 26 offers, Kristofic had 30 offers before committing, and Correll and Olmstead both had 34 FBS offers before pulling the trigger on ND. These were all extremely wanted dudes and ND nabbed them all which is a testament to the recruiting work done by Brian Kelly, Chip Long, and Jeff Quinn. All in all, this is one of the best OLine classes in the entire country. The only two classes that are even in the conversation for best OLine class with ND is Alabama who has a dynamite 5 man class and Tennessee who I think has a worse one than ND, but their two top guys Darnell Wright and Wanya Morris are elite prospects. Make no mistake, this is one of the best offensive line hauls in the entire country for this cycle.

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                                                                                  • Originally posted by NDMIA View Post
                                                                                    Defense will come next week
                                                                                    good recap. i think you were too nice on WR... removing consideration of 2018 and the potential of 2020, it's a big F. Even considering 2018, IMO F+. Agree they settled too early.
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                                                                                    • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                                      good recap. i think you were too nice on WR... removing consideration of 2018 and the potential of 2020, it's a big F. Even considering 2018, IMO F+. Agree they settled too early.
                                                                                      You think the combination of the last two WR classes is an F+, really?

                                                                                      Not even remotely accurate. Austin is arguably the best WR prospect of the Kelly era. Lenzy was a top 250 guy (USC, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA offers). Obviously a top West Coast ATH. Keys was a battle where we beat Texas, who has finished with back to back top 5 classes. So obviously recruiting at a high level. And Micah Jones was also a 4 star WR. Getting four 4 star WR's in two classes, is substantially better than an F+, lol.

                                                                                      And, that's completely discounting Hart, KAR, and even Wilkins.

                                                                                      An F/F+ should be reserved for not being able to an even field a competitive group which is not what is happening here.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
                                                                                        You think the combination of the last two WR classes is an F+, really?

                                                                                        Not even remotely accurate. Austin is arguably the best WR prospect of the Kelly era. Lenzy was a top 250 guy (USC, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA offers). Obviously a top West Coast ATH. Keys was a battle where we beat Texas, who has finished with back to back top 5 classes. So obviously recruiting at a high level. And Micah Jones was also a 4 star WR. Getting four 4 star WR's in two classes, is substantially better than an F+, lol.

                                                                                        And, that's completely discounting Hart, KAR, and even Wilkins.

                                                                                        An F/F+ should be reserved for not being able to an even field a competitive group which is not what is happening here.
                                                                                        Not what I meant. AT ALL
                                                                                        I'm assuming he meant given 2018 was a good year, he was cutting a little slack on 2019 (not averaging). I'm saying even with giving 2019 some slack ( again, not averaging 2018 and 2019) , I still see it as Fish. Not giving it any slack, F.

                                                                                        Given 2018, we didn't need to take a low ranked project. Especially one who doesn't have position flexibility between WR and RB. We have WRs that we know RS'd in 2018 (and we knew before Hart committed that they'd likely RS). I hope Hart works out, but it's a move that made little sense to me. Not that it has to make sense to me, it's just my opinion.
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                                                                                        • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                                          good recap. i think you were too nice on WR... removing consideration of 2018 and the potential of 2020, it's a big F. Even considering 2018, IMO F+. Agree they settled too early.
                                                                                          I agree it is not great, but I do think the staff, several of the Notre Dame analysts, and a couple of people on this board are high on Cam Hart which is what gives me pause to say that this is a total failure of a class. I do think they should have done a lot better because they had the time to spend on one dude. Garrett Wilson's brother played for BK and loves him. Jake Smith's dad is from Indiana and is a huge Notre Dame fan. Marcus Washington comes from a Trinity Catholic program in St. Louis that is not very far away and also has Reggie Love in the program along with Jordan Johnson & Kyren Williams from the same town. Nolan Groulx was an Army All American, had a strong connection with Clark Lea I believe, and was never offered. Trey Knox was driving distance from Notre Dame, spoke highly of the school, and never even made it to campus. The list goes on, but hopefully 2020 will be better because the WR room needs more talent to be added to it

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by NDMIA View Post
                                                                                            I agree it is not great, but I do think the staff, several of the Notre Dame analysts, and a couple of people on this board are high on Cam Hart which is what gives me pause to say that this is a total failure of a class. I do think they should have done a lot better because they had the time to spend on one dude. Garrett Wilson's brother played for BK and loves him. Jake Smith's dad is from Indiana and is a huge Notre Dame fan. Marcus Washington comes from a Trinity Catholic program in St. Louis that is not very far away and also has Reggie Love in the program along with Jordan Johnson & Kyren Williams from the same town. Nolan Groulx was an Army All American, had a strong connection with Clark Lea I believe, and was never offered. Trey Knox was driving distance from Notre Dame, spoke highly of the school, and never even made it to campus. The list goes on, but hopefully 2020 will be better because the WR room needs more talent to be added to it
                                                                                            Agree. Like you, I just think we should have went all in on some higher guys, and should have explored more of others. Not what I would have taken in June. He peaked at 492nd, and is now 685th. Not that ratings are everything, just not sure I saw enough in his film. Haven't seen any film though of his senior season.

                                                                                            Given the scholarship situation, I'd have been OK with skipping 2019 like we did with TE as well.
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                                                                                            • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                                              Agree. Like you, I just think we should have went all in on some higher guys, and should have explored more of others. Not what I would have taken in June. He peaked at 492nd, and is now 685th. Not that ratings are everything, just not sure I saw enough in his film. Haven't seen any film though of his senior season.

                                                                                              Given the scholarship situation, I'd have been OK with skipping 2019 like we did with TE as well.
                                                                                              He's got Koon's stamp of approval, so that should be good enough.

                                                                                              Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                                                              So maybe I'm off but I liked his film. The podcast peeps seem "meh" on him. Lucci what do you think of Cam Hart?

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                                He's got Koon's stamp of approval, so that should be good enough.
                                                                                                Koon needs his own thread for prospect rating. We could call it Koon's Mirror-side Chats

                                                                                                But seriously though, his film isn't bad at all. He seems very solid, just not sure about the level of talent they're playing against ( I think it's a Catholic conference). That said, just didn't stand out or wow me. Some folks got excited that he performed well at a PennST Camp, but he didn't even get an offer from Penn State as a result. Not sure if he did any other camps. Regardless, he's Irish, and I hope he balls out.
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                                                                                                • Grad transfer Andrew David is visiting this weekend, per II podcast. Committed to Michigan out of high school, already transferred once to TCU. Can punt and kick. https://247sports.com/Player/Andrew-David-33996/

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