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  • Yes, and for positive leadership, it was.

    But what I am talking about is the fact that everything in the "nutirition" talk from this video, has been stated at UND.com before, much by Lou himself. And if you watch this video, everyone seemed to be babysitting Lou, which is his personality. And then the coach in the video calls him a self starter? It is his best interest to paint the best "NFL picture" of his kids possible. Obviously, his organization survives on helping these kids enhance their draft position. But to call Lou a self starter with a high work ethic? Re-watch the video, even the cook was used to babysitting him.

    The bottom line, when you get two, three, or a half-dozen personalities that require so much care and feeding, it takes a big chunk out of any team without extra talent to burn.

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    • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bears&amp;src=hash">#Bears</a> recently had Notre Dame DT Louis Nix at Halas Hall for a pre-draft visit. <a href="http://t.co/Ci9JtlGrdv">http://t.co/Ci9JtlGrdv</a></p>&mdash; Brad Biggs (@BradBiggs) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/statuses/456093381169385472">April 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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      • Originally posted by Bogtrotter07 View Post
        After reading other responses to your post first, I wanted to go back and quote it.

        Where is Lou's responsibility? I get that everyone wants to hang this on someone; but I don't think Paul Longo should even be in the top three. What about the nutritionist? What about the coaches? Would anyone really threaten to bench him over his weight?

        And what about the big man himself? I have new feelings about this and a number of topics related to last season.

        I think last season was a good example of what happens to a team that has some great leadership (Rees, TJ, and Martin) and some extremely poor leadership at key positions, Nix, Niklas, Tuitt, and a few others. The great guys were neutralized and leadership of the team paralyzed. I am sorry, by Junior and Senior year, somebody that has the shot some of these kids had, should be self starter enough to build themselves into the war machines they say they wanted to be. I wonder how much less of an impact injuries would have been with more personal effort, and how many other injuries may never have happened.

        A perfect non-injury example is with Tuitt's freshman year, by missing curfew and being suspended we lost a years eligibility for Kona and Romeo both, if I remember correctly. And I know he had mono which also kept him out.
        Kona burned his redshirt the year before (2010) and Romeo was still a high school senior.

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        • Originally posted by Riddickulous View Post
          Kona burned his redshirt the year before (2010) and Romeo was still a high school senior.

          The staff did intend to redshirt Kona in 2011, Kona's sophomore year, but was forced to play him due to Tuitt's suspension. Really costly mistake by Tuitt. We could sure use Kona this year.

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          • Originally posted by Emcee77 View Post
            The staff did intend to redshirt Kona in 2011, Kona's sophomore year, but was forced to play him due to Tuitt's suspension. Really costly mistake by Tuitt. We could sure use Kona this year.
            I would not blame Tuitt for burning Kona's red shirt in 2011.

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            • Originally posted by ResLife Hero View Post
              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bears&amp;src=hash">#Bears</a> recently had Notre Dame DT Louis Nix at Halas Hall for a pre-draft visit. <a href="http://t.co/Ci9JtlGrdv">http://t.co/Ci9JtlGrdv</a></p>&mdash; Brad Biggs (@BradBiggs) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/statuses/456093381169385472">April 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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              I don't really get this. The Bears run a 4-3. That's where we gave Nix a breath on the sidelines. Rushing the passer and getting up field was not his strength. He's a classic 3-4 nose, not an attacking DT. I also question that he has the endurance to play DT in a 4-3. Strange move, if you ask me.
              Originally posted by koonja
              I'm making peace with Woolly in 2017.

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              • Originally posted by Riddickulous View Post
                Kona burned his redshirt the year before (2010) and Romeo was still a high school senior.
                doesn't matter which year you don't play...get 5 years to play 4....kona had to burn his extra year because of tuitt.

                SOUTH BEND -- To this day, Tamara Bartlett insists if Notre Dame head football coach Brian Kelly hadn’t suspended her son, Stephon Tuitt, a game for sleeping through class two seasons ago, she would have.
                The unintended domino that tipped that night at Purdue, however, was that Kona Schwenke’s intended redshirt year was sacrificed in a 38-10 pounding of the host Boilermakers for a cameo that produced zero tackles.
                Starting defensive end Ethan Johnson went down with an injury on the very first series of that game and spent the rest of the game with his foot in a protective boot. And with no Tuitt to fill in, Schwenke became part of the rotation
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                • Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                  doesn't matter which year you don't play...get 5 years to play 4....kona had to burn his extra year because of tuitt.

                  SOUTH BEND -- To this day, Tamara Bartlett insists if Notre Dame head football coach Brian Kelly hadn’t suspended her son, Stephon Tuitt, a game for sleeping through class two seasons ago, she would have.
                  The unintended domino that tipped that night at Purdue, however, was that Kona Schwenke’s intended redshirt year was sacrificed in a 38-10 pounding of the host Boilermakers for a cameo that produced zero tackles.
                  Starting defensive end Ethan Johnson went down with an injury on the very first series of that game and spent the rest of the game with his foot in a protective boot. And with no Tuitt to fill in, Schwenke became part of the rotation
                  Eek. Just to add on to that, this is the the entire write-up from his UND bio for 2011:

                  SOPHOMORE SEASON (2011):Played in three games during the season: Purdue, Wake Forest and Maryland.
                  Sucks that was a year of eligibility.

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                  • Originally posted by Sherm Sticky View Post
                    I would not blame Tuitt for burning Kona's red shirt in 2011.
                    Kelly did. Told him it was his irresponsibility.

                    I may have been wrong about Romeo, but their was a stupid reason he didn't redshirt, too.

                    My point is, there are a few guys that have gone through lately that I will celebrate their accomplishments, but I will not make them more than they were. The problem with last year's team I have heard was disruptive personalities instead of true leadership.

                    If not Romeo, what about Amir Carlisle's ankle, or Chase Hounshell's second shoulder injury? Two guys lost. Both situations involve over the line behavior.
                    Last edited by Bogtrotter07; 04-15-2014, 01:13 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by Bogtrotter07 View Post
                      Kelly did. Told him it was his irresponsibility.

                      I may have been wrong about Romeo, but their was a stupid reason he didn't redshirt, too.

                      My point is, there are a few guys that have gone through lately that I will celebrate their accomplishments, but I will not make them more than they were. The problem with last year's team I have heard was disruptive personalities instead of true leadership.

                      If not Romeo, what about Amir Carlisle's ankle, or Chase Hounshell's second shoulder injury? Two guys lost. Both situations involve over the line behavior.
                      amir vs atkinson
                      chase vs nix
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                      • Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                        amir vs atkinson
                        chase vs nix
                        I didn't say anything.

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                        • Originally posted by Bogtrotter07 View Post
                          I didn't say anything.
                          but i was just throwing it out as to not have ?'s about who you were referring to etc and what you meant...

                          hey this is now several posts in a row that i have been able to follow! keep it up :stickoutt
                          EMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE

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                          • Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                            but i was just throwing it out as to not have ?'s about who you were referring to etc and what you meant...

                            hey this is now several posts in a row that i have been able to follow! keep it up :stickoutt
                            I was indeed referring to the fact that mysterious year ending injuries have happened OFF THE FIELD to fairly important or key players and the same mind numbing bull shit seems to be at the cause.

                            I mean you can blame the coaches but I think that is bull shit, too. These guys are 18 to 22. They are not 13.

                            And this part about how to buy a vehicle, are you fucking telling me this is some special thing or skill that wasn't encapsulated in the education he received at ND?

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                            • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>McShay: NFL questions Nix&#39;s social media use <a href="http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO">http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO</a></p>&mdash; Rotoworld NFL Draft (@Rotoworld_Draft) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_Draft/statuses/459099936978501632">April 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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                              This is getting ridiculous.
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                              • Originally posted by Ironman8 View Post
                                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>McShay: NFL questions Nix's social media use <a href="http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO">http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO</a></p>&mdash; Rotoworld NFL Draft (@Rotoworld_Draft) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_Draft/statuses/459099936978501632">April 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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                                This is getting ridiculous.
                                What the hell

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                                • Originally posted by Ironman8 View Post
                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>McShay: NFL questions Nix's social media use <a href="http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO">http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO</a></p>&mdash; Rotoworld NFL Draft (@Rotoworld_Draft) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_Draft/statuses/459099936978501632">April 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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                                  This is getting ridiculous.
                                  This is ridiculous. Nix is the most positive person ever on Twitter. If anything, his ability to stay positive, support his team and not post contraversial tweets should be seen as a character positive.

                                  They are acting like posting videos of singing to a banana is similar to Will Hill tweets. Sheesh...
                                  Originally posted by koonja
                                  I'm making peace with Woolly in 2017.

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                                  • STAY OFF TWITTER lol

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                                    • Originally posted by Ironman8 View Post
                                      <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>McShay: NFL questions Nix's social media use <a href="http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO">http://t.co/8W5jHxFMHO</a></p>&mdash; Rotoworld NFL Draft (@Rotoworld_Draft) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_Draft/statuses/459099936978501632">April 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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                                      This is getting ridiculous.
                                      After some of the incredibly stupid things NFL players have done on social media lately, I get why they don't like it, but Nix uses his to retweet or support causes and generally be a jovial dude. I'd think that would be a bonus for a team looking to draft a player who will attract and resonate with fans.

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                                      • So if you're too positive, your playing ability will be questioned in the NFL. Got it.

                                        What a sick joke.

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                                        • This is what happens when you move the draft back a couple of weeks, to much time for people to twiddle their thumbs.

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                                          • Apparently having an uncontrollable temper, beating people up, covering up rape, and threatening to rape a rape victim is okay guys.

                                            But don't you dare use Twitter too much!!! I'm serial!!!!

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                                            • Originally posted by Sherm Sticky View Post
                                              This is what happens when you move the draft back a couple of weeks, to much time for people to twiddle their thumbs.
                                              Yep.

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                                              • it's more about how often he uses it and the potential to put something harmful to the organization. teams don't want bad pub and social media is easiest way to make someone/organization look stupid
                                                Prehistoric

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                                                • Yep, its okay cover up rape and threaten to rape the girl that got raped. Just don't post that on twitter!

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                                                  • I hate to break it to ya NFL, but young adults really like to use this thing called "social media" and it's gonna be around for a while.
                                                    I'm too drunk to taste this chicken.

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                                                    • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                                                      it's more about how often he uses it and the potential to put something harmful to the organization. teams don't want bad pub and social media is easiest way to make someone/organization look stupid
                                                      Right. But I would argue Notre Dame is just as high strung about its public image as any NFL team. And even if they aren't, it's not like an NFL organization can't say to him, "hey, cool it on the tweeting a little bit. And no live videos at practices or on the team plane." What's he going to say? "No I'm going to keep doing it."

                                                      If someone would have told Lou to calm down on the tweeting, or to put the camera away, I'm sure he would have. He's not Ndamakong Suh. For this to be a concern is laughable, and really the only rational explanation is it's nonsense being put out by some GM's so they can snag him deep in the 1st round.

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                                                      • Originally posted by WakeUpEchoes View Post
                                                        Right. But I would argue Notre Dame is just as high strung about its public image as any NFL team. And even if they aren't, it's not like an NFL organization can't say to him, "hey, cool it on the tweeting a little bit. And no live videos at practices or on the team plane." What's he going to say? "No I'm going to keep doing it."

                                                        If someone would have told Lou to calm down on the tweeting, or to put the camera away, I'm sure he would have. He's not Ndamakong Suh. For this to be a concern is laughable, and really the only rational explanation is it's nonsense being put out by some GM's so they can snag him deep in the 1st round.
                                                        Notre Dame is probably more public image conscious if anything. Besides the fact ND is a catholic school, they need to be seen as a place where parents want to send their kids, for both the athletes and non-athletes. Besides I haven't seen anything from Lou that is even remotely objectionable.

                                                        MAYBE, someone would wonder if anybody so happy-go-lucky has the right attitude to play pro ball, but you don't have to watch much tape to see that he leaves it all on the field. This is all a bunch of nonsense.
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                                                        • Interesting. And the employer is?

                                                          I talk to my kids. I know more than one person that has been fired because of their use of social media. Visible positions, both.

                                                          I don't agree with any of it, but I don't agree with social media anyway.

                                                          Do you think McShay could be a bit ingenuous with his comment? I mean this seems like chrome window dressing to me. More drama to whet the appetite for draft day suspense.

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                                                          • Troy Niklas slammed because of lack of social media use.."what has he got to hide?...no personality....social pariah"
                                                            What did Davonte do?

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                                                            • Seriously, guys. Here is the point. If you don't want to hire someone, or want to fire someone, you don't necessarily want to give the real reason.

                                                              So you invent a plausible one, that holds you harmless, right? You are looking for something that segregates that candidate from others, that isn't an illegal or objectionable issue.

                                                              I can hear the wheels turning. What we all love most about Chocolate, his teddy bear personality, may be less than endearing to the staffs and offices of NFL teams. They probably want curb-stompers in the trenches. Not broad, potentially immature personalities. I am sure they ran a battery of tests including an MMPI, etc. If that test, and if they shows results outside of what they like, there is no sale. If there is a problem with that test, they are not going to give the real reason for the team or the players sake.

                                                              And when they leak something, it isn't going to be absolute. So when the (idiotic) media gets it, it is going to be vague, which will allow the media to troll for readership, and show an inclination for bias (anti-ND).

                                                              In fact, one team could have had a minor issue, and that could get blown out of proportion in this world. That is the way the NFL is. But a big hearted guy, who is so gregarious loses every time.

                                                              Every time I have worked with a guy like Louis Nix in a larger organization, he has suffered socially and politically within the organization because of his nature. People say they love the "big guy" but the success rate of the "big guy" stands for itself.

                                                              I will also stand by my personal assessment that the group of players leaving ND for the draft this year had an unusual number of "personality" related issues; I would include Nix, Niklas, Atkinson, and Shembo in this group. The rest Martin, et al., were solid in every aspect as the day is long. And I will venture to say there are others like Fox and Calabrese, as well as Tommy Rees that will probably get drafted, or really looked at favorably.

                                                              That scum tackle may still slide. But if he doesn't, I hope a crappy team picks him because I don't think he has the balls for an NFL career.
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                                                              • what
                                                                a
                                                                joke
                                                                Hi!

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                                                                • Hey, guess who still thinks Todd McShay can go screw himself?

                                                                  <-------This guy.

                                                                  Anytime I see his face on ESPN I want to punch my TV.

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                                                                  • This is one "issue" that we can simply ignore. All NFL administrations aren't clones and to think that all NFL administrations would consider Big Lou's funny media stuff a football problem is laughable. In fact, if ANY NFL organization hesitated on any player for a similar reason, I'd be stunned, and other organizations would snicker at how stupid they were, and happily grab up great players who would fall into their laps. This is McShay with nothing better to report and no common sense. He's the one who got scammed.

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                                                                    • He might fall in the draft, but think he ends up a Steeler or a Patriot.

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                                                                      • Originally posted by WakeUpEchoes View Post
                                                                        Right. But I would argue Notre Dame is just as high strung about its public image as any NFL team. And even if they aren't, it's not like an NFL organization can't say to him, "hey, cool it on the tweeting a little bit. And no live videos at practices or on the team plane." What's he going to say? "No I'm going to keep doing it."

                                                                        If someone would have told Lou to calm down on the tweeting, or to put the camera away, I'm sure he would have. He's not Ndamakong Suh. For this to be a concern is laughable, and really the only rational explanation is it's nonsense being put out by some GM's so they can snag him deep in the 1st round.
                                                                        this

                                                                        relax people...word is Nix is rising not falling. this is to leasen that effect. a definite plant on mcshay. all part of the game. on sirius polian has talked nukmerous times about this whole thing, how he did it too and they al just chuckle on the broadcasts. GM gamemanship they usually know exactly what and how their draft day is going to go by about a week prior. all they do is build in contingincies for the unexpected trade ups/downs which are increasing not decreasing. polian said was much easier and less dramatic in his day but for the most part nothings changed all that much.

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                                                                        • someone in the 1st round is going to be very happy to land him
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                                                                            • Farewell Notre Dame

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                                                                              • Made me want to cry. In the future, any time I walk by the "library," I am going to really get choked up!

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                                                                                • The Notebook: Is Louis Nix III the best of both worlds? - SBNation.com

                                                                                  Reads much better on the site since it references gifs and other pictures, but for those who can't access the link:

                                                                                  For the premium the NFL puts pass rushers, many teams also have a need for a big space-eating defensive tackle to help them inside against the run. Former Notre Dame defensive tackle Louis Nix III is thought to be just the kind of inside presence that those teams are looking for, so I decided to break him down next.

                                                                                  For the purposes of this breakdown I watched Nix play against Temple, Purdue, Michigan State, Arizona State and Pittsburgh. Those games represented the first, third, fourth, sixth and tenth games of Nix's final season, respectively. Cutup videos can be found at Draft Breakdown.

                                                                                  Cat quick and ... slow

                                                                                  Playing nose tackle in a 4-3 compared to playing it in a 3-4 can be a whole different world. I won't go into a dissertation because that could take up almost this whole post, but here are a few differences:

                                                                                  **If you are already familiar with the differences just skip down to the next section**

                                                                                  In a 3-4 the nose tackle is going to get double teamed on just about every play. He generally has to back away from the ball a little before the snap and then "catch" the center rather than exploding forward when the ball is snapped. He is usually two-gapping which means, depending upon the blocking scheme, he could be responsible for either A gap. Because he lines up head on against the center and off the ball, a 3-4 defensive tackle isn't expected to be much of a factor as a pass rusher, no matter how the offensive line blocks him.

                                                                                  In a 4-3 the nose tackle gets double teamed a lot too, but he also sees quite a bit of single blocking on the backside of plays when the opposing center is superior at reach blocking. He lines up at the line of scrimmage like everyone else. He can't come off like a sprinter on the snap, but a 4-3 nose tackle does need to explode off the ball enough to have a fighting chance against a double team, penetrate into the backfield against any reach block and be able to transition to a pass rush against the guard should the center slide over to help block the three-technique.

                                                                                  Did you get all that? LOL

                                                                                  Whether you understood what you just read perfectly or it flew right over your head, I think everybody can get what I'm saying is that a nose tackle generally has much different responsibilities in a 3-4 than he has in a 4-3.

                                                                                  Why this is starting to matter more and more is because every year you see NFL teams going to a hybrid defense. For instance, the Falcons for instance have played a lot of 3-4 and 4-3 and a blend of the two at times over the last couple of seasons under defensive coordinator Mike Nolan. It used to be that you could find a nose tackle to fit your specific scheme, but now with hybrid defenses you see a premium being put on nose tackles that can do both.

                                                                                  That means they have to be big enough to anchor down against the run as a zero nose lined head up on the center. They also have to be quick enough off the ball to get penetration against the run. Maybe most importantly, they also have to at least be able to give something in the way of pass rush because this is a passing league, right?

                                                                                  **OK start reading again here**

                                                                                  Which brings me to Louis Nix III.

                                                                                  First of all, he's what we call back home a Big Un!

                                                                                  Nix is definitely heavy enough to play nose tackle in any scheme at 331 pounds. He isn't overly tall at a shade over 6'2, but as I've said before in these breakdowns height can be a little overrated for an interior defensive lineman.

                                                                                  Where Nix starts to separate himself is the fact that he is also cat quick at times. He certainly showed that he has the ability to be explosive in short areas when he wants to be. Notre Dame ran somewhat of a hybrid defense, so I got to see Nix playing both, two-gapping and getting off the ball at nose tackle, which helped with my evaluation a lot. I was skeptical before I started watching that he would be a fit in a 4-3 defense, but now I believe he is at least quick enough to fit.

                                                                                  The problem is that as quick as Nix can be, he also looked slow as molasses if he had to run any more than a couple of steps. With more teams using zone schemes when running the ball, you see a lot of them try stress the 4-3 nose tackles by scheming the ball to cut back through his A-gap. I'm not sure how successful Nix would be at defending those kinds of plays because he doesn't bend his knees after his first couple of steps which makes him high and slow at times. The linebackers can cover for Nix in a hybrid type of defense where he is head-up on the guard two gapping, but in a fast flow 4-3 scheme, he would give up yards in that backside A-gap based on the games that I watched.

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                                                                                  Sometimes the nose, no matter what the scheme, will have to be involved in turning the ball back to his help on the front side of a run. This goes back to having to beat a center's reach block and also having to beat slip blocks where the center goes up to get the linebacker. Being quick off the ball helps a lot, but eventually you might have to escape off that block and run down the line of scrimmage to make the play or make the ball bounce behind you. I have my doubts that Nix could make very many of those kinds of plays.

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                                                                                  I saw this happen to him several in those five games. He looks sooooo good getting off the ball, but then it's like everybody else is getting fast forwarded while he's still going at regular speed. The ball tended to make its way outside of him successfully on those plays for some pretty good gains.

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                                                                                  Nobody is expecting a true nose tackle to be a beast of a pass rusher, but Nix's lack of speed also would make me nervous on some 4-3 line stunts and pass rush games where the nose tackle is supposed to wrap around outside for contain. This happens more than you probably notice, but with this coming golden age of mobile quarterbacks, having a super slow guy trying to keep them from escaping the pocket will be setting him, and a defense, up for failure.

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                                                                                  I know that one of Nix's most impressive traits is that he is so quick for his size, but his lack of straight line speed is still a big concern for me.

                                                                                  Consistently inconsistent

                                                                                  Ok, so am I saying Nix is only a fit for a 3-4?

                                                                                  No, I am not.

                                                                                  I am saying a traditional 3-4 is a probably a much better fit for him. As a zero nose he is big enough and strong enough not to get dominated at the line of scrimmage and quick enough to make offensive linemen miss when he stunts laterally. Still, based on his film, even his fit in a 3-4 will be bumpy at first.

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                                                                                  Getting double teamed every play is the very definition of a thankless job. The announcer is always going to call out the name of the linebacker who made the tackle for loss and the crowds will go wild, but you rarely hear the name of the guy who occupied two blockers which allowed the linebacker to come through clean and make the play in the first place blaring over the loud speakers. For that reason, it's hard to find guys that love to play zero nose tackle. A lot of cats are just too selfish and want to be the one making all the plays instead of doing their own damn job. However, Nix looks like he's having a ball there most of the time, so I wouldn't have any concerns about him being selfish and hurting the defense.

                                                                                  He gets knocked around every single game, but I never saw Nix start slacking with his effort at fighting those double and sometimes triple teams. He fought his ass off every play and his hustle was top notch.

                                                                                  The only problem was his hands were allllll over the place.

                                                                                  I don't know if Nix was taught to do some of the things I saw him do on film or if his technique was just spotty, but the difference between how he fared when he got his hands inside on the blocker with his thumbs up and when he did not was HUGE. I talked about this in one of my early breakdowns, but for a defensive lineman it's usually of the utmost importance that they get their hands inside the breast plate of the offensive lineman so that they can control them. When they get their hands on him its also important for them to have their thumbs up so that they can lock their elbows when they get full extension of their arms.

                                                                                  Nix does a great job with that at times. Those are the plays when he tends to look dominant, but then you might see a few plays later where his hands are wide or his elbows are bent and he has little to no effect on the play.

                                                                                  The end result is that a big, powerful guy like Nix doesn't always play big and powerful. That led to him being on the ground quite a bit more than I would normally like from a nose tackle. Look, everybody gets caught slipping every once in awhile, but I was also alarmed to see Nix get pancaked six times in those five games, including three times by Michigan state alone.

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                                                                                  Dude, WTF?!

                                                                                  That is not supposed to happen ...

                                                                                  Nix's inconsistency with his hands also hampered him from contributing more as a pass rusher.

                                                                                  Again, a nose tackle that can pass rush used to be just a plus, but these days it's better to be able to do a little bit of everything. Nix might not be fast in his long speed, but between his functional strength and his quickness, he definitely has the potential to at least push the pocket back and move quarterbacks off of their spot in the NFL.

                                                                                  The question is will he?

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                                                                                  That Nix shows flashes when his technique is good says that he has been taught how to use his hands. That he doesn't do it all the time makes me wonder if that inconsistency would also carry over in the pros even if he got better coaching in the NFL.

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                                                                                  The truth is plenty of guys have problems playing with good technique all the time. Whether they're too hyped up to make a play to concern themselves with where to put their hands or they're just too damned tired to try to escape off a block, those guys cheat themselves out of making so plays. Often, it also kills any chance they have to be big time contributors on their defense as well.

                                                                                  There are exceptions, guys who are really huge or really athletic or both can generally get away with having shitty technique and still make plays. When you are a relatively average sized nose tackle with relatively average speed, you had best get your technique polished up because you aren't likely to just overwhelm anybody. I could get excited for a team taking Nix in the first round if I knew for sure that he would tighten that up and use his hands more consistently.

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                                                                                  Unfortunately, I just don't know if he will or won't.

                                                                                  Poker

                                                                                  I have seen mock drafts that show Louis Nix III going late in the first round. I think that's ambitious, but it definitely could happen. The thing is Nix, for all the things I talked about in this breakdown, is likely to be a very good player for somebody. Pro Bowl? Maybe not, but herein lies the balancing act that decision makers face.

                                                                                  What happens when a team with a need for a 3-4 or hybrid nose tackle has a choice in the bottom half of the first round but maybe there is a skill player rated a little bit higher on their board? Well, I wouldn't fault that team for filling a need, and I doubt that if Nix plays well there will be much armchair quarterbacking of the pick. My expectations for a nose tackle taken in the bottom half of the first round wouldn't be the same for a pass rushing three-technique taken in the same spot.

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                                                                                  Yeah, you might take the player rated higher, but a good nose tackle is necessary for most 3-4 or hybrid defenses. Nix needs some work on his technique, but with coaching and better concentration he can fix most of that. The lack-of-speed issue isn't nearly as big a factor if you run a 3-4 either. He is quick enough to stunt to either A-gap and make plays or two-gap the guard like most hybrid nose tackles have to do. He also is pretty damn good at changing directions on screens as long as the play isn't too far away. I will say it again, this kid, for all his size and being slow and all that, hustles his ass off.

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                                                                                  And if he never makes a Pro Bowl or All-Pro team, who will really give a damn? Nose tackles aren't generally going to have the kind of eye popping stats that get them on those kinds of lists anyway. But if he plays up to his potential, you could have fixed a vital part of your defense for many years to come.

                                                                                  The flip side is there is a poker element involved with those teams as well. What if you can take the higher rated player and still get Nix later in the second round? You already know that some 4-3 teams that are more fast flow with their defensive line won't be interested in Nix anyway. Then, you have to decide whether to bet that no other 3-4 or hybrid team will take him between now and the next time you pick or if the higher rated guy is worth more to your team than Nix if you don't think he will be around when you select again.

                                                                                  It will be interesting to see if a team blinks in the first round and takes Nix or if he slides a little bit with teams in the bottom of the first round trying to get greedy. Nix has all the potential in the world to do well in a 3-4 or a hybrid defense, I'm just not sure how much draft value you put on that potential.

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                                                                                  • PlayStation travels with Louis Nix to Chicago to do media appearances and check out the Windy City

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                                                                                    • Im assuming Big Lou has a deal with playstation? Imagine all the awesome shit he gets for free.

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                                                                                      • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Texans&amp;src=hash">#Texans</a> may want to keep that. Prototype 3-4 nose, perfect for system. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/jon_lizotte">@jon_lizotte</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet">@RapSheet</a> teams trading up for Louis Nix you think?</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/464777067717206016">May 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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                                                                                        Him with Watt and Clowney? Please let this happen.

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                                                                                        • I hope he's there for my Jags. He being a Jacksonville kid I think would be super cool for the city.

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by Corry View Post
                                                                                            I hope he's there for my Jags. He being a Jacksonville kid I think would be super cool for the city.
                                                                                            Good for recruiting, too. Goes to ND, sucessfully gets the education, comes back and becomes a local personality.

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                                                                                            • Originally posted by Corry View Post
                                                                                              I hope he's there for my Jags. He being a Jacksonville kid I think would be super cool for the city.
                                                                                              normally i would think this is good, but there was a reason he WANTED out of jax...he said so he didn't get involved w/ stuff that his friends were doing...there would be sooo many leaches trying to latch on for $$$ it wouldn't be good for his performance or mental state imo
                                                                                              EMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE

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                                                                                              • yeah i very much doubt Nix wants to be in Jax, he barely went back there between his time at ND and the NFL draft, he did all his build up out of state right?
                                                                                                What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                                • I can't imagine that the scum of Jacksonville is that much worse than the scum of most of the other NFL cities (Atlanta, St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, and Oakland jump to the front of my mind).

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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                                                    I can't imagine that the scum of Jacksonville is that much worse than the scum of most of the other NFL cities (Atlanta, St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, and Oakland jump to the front of my mind).
                                                                                                    The point being his connections in Jax would be leaches. Wouldn't have those connections to deal with in other cities.

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by scUM Hater View Post
                                                                                                      The point being his connections in Jax would be leaches. Wouldn't have those connections to deal with in other cities.
                                                                                                      I'm no expert on "making it big" out of a tough neighborhood but my hunch is that 1) his Jacksonville leeches will find him either way, and 2) new leeches will spring up in whatever city he lands. I think "propensity to be leeched" is driven more by the character of the individual than geographic proximity to the city where one grew up. I think he'll be just fine.

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