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  • Dale
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  • Dale
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    Originally posted by dublinirish View Post

    stings for clemson i bet
    Idk if me personally wouldn’t have taken Cade Klubnik from the beginning. Offered instantly after Simpson’s commitment and sounds like near lock for Clemson

    Champagne problems

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  • dublinirish
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    Originally posted by Dale View Post
    Ty Simpson committed to Alabama. Last minute (publicly) swoop in
    stings for clemson i bet

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  • Dale
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    Ty Simpson committed to Alabama. Last minute (publicly) swoop in

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  • dublinirish
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On to the next chapter. Committed. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllGasNoBrakes?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># AllGasNoBrakes</a> <a href="https://t.co/VKNuApsmcW">pic.twitter.com/VKNuApsmcW</a></p>&mdash; Maalik (@SmvOperator) <a href="https://twitter.com/SmvOperator/status/1360704578606440453?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    Five star QB who has never started a HS game. His ranking is all from camps. Crazy stuff

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  • dublinirish
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TO BE CONTINUED……<a href="https://twitter.com/Fairfield_FB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Fairfield_FB</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChadSimmons_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChadSimmons_</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@247Sports</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/IndianaFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IndianaFootb all</a> <a href="https://t.co/CfqVuk96AI">pic.twitter.com/CfqVuk96AI</a></p>&mdash; MB² (@MightyMal_2) <a href="https://twitter.com/MightyMal_2/status/1356678816731721730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    Four star 2021 WR out of AL chooses IU over UAB

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  • dublinirish
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NCAA is exploring 3 proposals to adjust the policy that limits a team&#39;s annual new signees to 25, officials tell <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SINow</a>.<br><br>Could happen as soon as next cycle.<br><br>Under one proposal, a team could replace each player who left for NFL or transfer portal.<a href="https://t.co/NpzQcUafFN">https://t.co/NpzQcUafFN</a></p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1356629519000604673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • dublinirish
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    Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
    Video Of Nick Saban Recruiting A 5-Star On Zoom Has Leaked

    https://thespun.com/more/top-stories...-5-star-leaked
    everything he said was fair tbh

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  • Irish#1
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    Video Of Nick Saban Recruiting A 5-Star On Zoom Has Leaked

    https://thespun.com/more/top-stories...-5-star-leaked

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  • Dale
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    Bo Bordelon committed to LSU.

    3 Star OL seems pretty ho hum right?

    His Dad is a former LSU player and Mom is the blonde in the White House dancing video that went viral so seems to be a family still heavily involved with LSU football.

    Oh and he happens to play in front of one Arch Manning.

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  • Irish du Nord
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    Originally posted by Dale View Post
    Where do we think he’ll transfer in 2023?
    I'm gonna guess some "sloppy seconds" program like Arkansas, Miami, or Texas

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  • Dale
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    Where do we think he’ll transfer in 2023?

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  • dublinirish
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2022 five-star quarterback Gunner Stockton commits to Georgia:<a href="https://t.co/9LMDH1aDvR">https://t.co/9LMDH1aDvR</a> <a href="https://t.co/4RZXfWMZZL">pic.twitter.com/4RZXfWMZZL</a></p>&mdash; 247Sports Recruiting (@247recruiting) <a href="https://twitter.com/247recruiting/status/1354838660206759941?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • dublinirish
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    https://247sports.com/college/Notre-...all-159643393/
    Off-field recruiting position that should be emerging in college football
    By STEVE WILTFONG

    When former five-star defensive lineman Ed Oliver took a visit to the Houston campus many years ago he asked one of the coaches upon his arrival where Bryan Carrington was. Carrington at the time was a student-assistant, sitting in class. And he was one of the Cougar staff members Oliver chatted with the most.

    A terrific networker with a desire to meet and talk to people, you fast forward five years later and in my opinion Carrington is one of the more important off-field staffers in college football, having carved out a niche he started at his alma mater.

    Now holding the title of Director of Recruiting at the University of Texas, Carrington has been instrumental in landing the likes of Caden Sterns, Joseph Ossai, Bijan Robinson and countless more. He’s oftentimes one of the ambassadors at the forefront of the Longhorns football program on the recruiting trail, building relationships all over the state and country. Connections that carry over to when these prospects are on the team that help maintain the team culture. Bonds that could also prove to be big down the road, whether it’s landing a player from this new and trendy NCAA Transfer Portal or even keeping one of your own out of those waters.

    Carrington isn’t the only one that shines in this role.

    You have Gavin Morris at USC, perhaps the pioneer of the gig with the Director of Player Development title who helps the Trojans secure blue-chipper year after year, most notably the No. 1 player in the country in Korey Foreman this cycle.

    Jeff Martin is the Lead Personnel Analyst/Player Development at his alma mater LSU where he certainly impacted Grant Delpit and Maurice Hampton among many others and was the first face Joe Burrow saw when he landed in Baton Rouge as a potential transfer. Burrow made his own decision but the fact that Martin was the first person to greet him when he stepped off the plane shows you the importance of his role in the recruiting department.

    There are several others like these gentlemen - Chip Viney at Oklahoma, David Cooper at Florida, Corey Phillips formerly of Vanderbilt, Mason Smith currently at Mississippi State - as guys that constantly promote the school and coaching staff they work for in helping land key recruits and transfers.

    I think every college program should boast someone of this skill set, a person with tremendous people skills that can articulate the program's message daily on the recruiting trail, advocating for the staff, the academics and everything else a football program would like put in a positive light. A person who's sole job being maintaining relationships with prospects, their parents, high school coaches, 7on7 coaches, trainers etc. Someone that can keep the lines of communication going when head coach and assistants are busy with other things. We've seen graduate assistants come through in this regard as well. These programs that already have people in place are lucky to have these guys. It’s probably the difference in at least a few recruiting wins a year.

    With that, I think we’re going to see more schools look for guys to be on their staff solely for harvesting relationships and talent acquisition. What’s the point of spending countless hours evaluating and putting your recruiting board together based on talent and personality fit, if you’re not going to exhaust every resource in trying to sign the ones you want the most. There are ace on-field recruiters all over the country, a few head coaches that put in more hours than their peers, but coaching staffs aren't stocked with go-getters from top to bottom.

    None of these off-field recruiting roles were really appreciated from a compensation standpoint until recently. It’s been awesome to see the raises that off-field recruiting guys have been getting in college football, but that increasing salary has really only gone to the leaders in the department. The trickle down has been slow, and while these guys mentioned don’t maybe head the off-field staff, what they do has great value as well. When there’s a big recruiting weekend, Carrington, Morris, Martin and company are there for every experience. If it’s a defensive lineman on campus, does your receiver coach need to be there? The off-field recruiting guys do. It's really a 24/7 job including Sundays and holidays in the previous said talent acquisition role.

    Earlier this week 247Sports Director of Video and Late Kick Host Josh Pate scribed “evolution of the transfer portal has necessitated a restructuring of college football scouting departments. Any program lacking this 4th category is already way behind.

    General Manager/Dir of Player Personnel

    Dir. of HS scouting

    Dir. of JUCO scouting

    Dir. of FBS/FCS scouting

    Pate agrees this fifth role of talent acquisition regardless of the title given is just as important. These guys don't miss phone calls from prospects. They're constantly available. Sometimes they even replace a coach on the road recruiting. With the time, energy and emotion put into it, hopefully the compensation soon matches. The first few programs that really invest will be ahead of the curve.

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  • Whiskeyjack
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    Originally posted by greyhammer90 View Post
    Imagine being cheating and still being actual shit.
    Reminded me of this chart:



    We're obviously frustrated by our inability to hang with 'Bama, OSU and Clemson, but there are a bunch of programs on that list that are spending a lot more than we are and getting much worse results.

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  • greyhammer90
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    Imagine being cheating and still being actual shit.

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  • dublinirish
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    Originally posted by Dale View Post
    “ Dan (Dan Patrick) says that he's heard from source that Tennessee football will face a serious investigation. He also said that Georgia could be next. "I was told Georgia got sloppy in recruiting."

    Tweet from Andrew Perloff
    lol sloppy = giving cash to people?

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  • Dale
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    “ Dan (Dan Patrick) says that he's heard from source that Tennessee football will face a serious investigation. He also said that Georgia could be next. "I was told Georgia got sloppy in recruiting."

    Tweet from Andrew Perloff

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  • NDCrusader
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    Vaka was an EE anyways. Nothing changed about that.

    He more lost his Sr. year than skipped it. Narrative.

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  • ResLife Hero
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texas A&amp;M commitment from Westlake Village (Calif.) says he will enroll early at A&amp;M after California moves to spring high school football. Have to think there will be more. <a href="https://t.co/TcBCYqnjnk">https://t.co/TcBCYqnjnk</a></p>&mdash; Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/1285262153067507712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • fightingirish26
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    https://247sports.com/college/footba...ust-149025587/

    Tony Grimes going to UNC next month. Can you imagine if Buchner did this lol, fanbase would explode.

    Buchner might not be the best example, since he likely wouldn't play yet, but none of the other commits would really cause shockwaves. Maybe in an alternate universe where Shipley committed to ND, if he was all of a sudden showing up for this season, boom, pandemonium.
    Last edited by fightingirish26; 07-10-2020, 05:16 PM.

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  • Luckylucci
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    I'd be interested in knowing just how much this happens.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Texas A&amp;M football program violated NCAA recruiting and countable athletically related activity rules: <a href="https://t.co/aNqBGRiTr5">https://t.co/aNqBGRiTr5</a> <a href="https://t.co/TUwuhrZ78Q">pic.twitter.com/TUwuhrZ78Q</a></p>&mdash; Inside the NCAA (@InsidetheNCAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsidetheNCAA/status/1278725209462358016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • Luckylucci
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    Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
    Having a top-3-5 recruiting class 12+ month before NSD and a $1.50 will get you a can of soda...
    Quality response. I'm glad you realize that was not an accurate comment.

    Are they in a good spot now? No. Will they be on NSD? Probably not, but TBD.

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  • ThePiombino
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    Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
    But it wasn't that's basically inarguable. They had a top 3-5 class and an absolutely loaded visit list going into March/April timeframe. That is nothing short of a smashing success at that point in time.
    Having a top-3-5 recruiting class 12+ month before NSD and a $1.50 will get you a can of soda...
    Last edited by ThePiombino; 06-26-2020, 12:58 PM.

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  • Luckylucci
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    Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
    I agree he had to go. Not sure how you can say recruiting wasn't good before he left. Last year's class alone (and I'm pretty sure he was lead recruiter for 2, if not all 3 of em):
    • Tyree
    • Johnson
    • Mayer




    I'm mostly concerned with the offensive side. Defensive side has rallied, especially since Mickens was brought in. And I trust Elston til he proves otherwise.



    The whole philosophy this year was short-sited pre-COVID, and glaringly more ever since. Their refusal to adjust in real-time like MANY other schools is baffling. That all said, you can't sit here and pretend that recruiting wasn't already stifled prior to COVID, however. We can pretend that ND is especially affected by lack of visits, but come on -- every other school is in the same boat and most top-tier schools have been doing just fine. Now sure, perhaps we'll see a flood of decommitments once things open back up. And maybe, just MAYBE, ND can benefit from that. But until there's some smoke regarding the recruits we need in order to take this team to the next level, I'm going to go based off of what's in the pudding right now -- stalled offensive recruiting...
    But it wasn't that's basically inarguable. They had a top 3-5 class and an absolutely loaded visit list going into March/April timeframe. That is nothing short of a smashing success at that point in time.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by fightingirish26 View Post
    I've long shared that opinion, and not to go all bod squad, but recently he's looked much more well built than I was expecting. He could be closer to an every down back than originally thought.
    IIRC, he came in around 180. He only needs 15lbs the next couple of years to be "that guy" IMO. Ideally you want a RB 195-220ish, but there are always unicorns that are smaller and bigger, that can be monsters.

    While I'd like to see him add some good weight the next couple years, I also don't want him to lose speed/agility either. I'd almost rather use him as a satellite guy than try to force a round peg into a square hole.

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  • fightingirish26
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    Tyree IIRC talked more about Taylor than Long (I could be wrong). He's not really a prototypical RB (at least not yet), so while I'm totally jacked we got him, not sure he'll be that killer, and true RB1 we've been without for a while.

    Alexander was lead on Johnson I think. IIRC, he also talked about BK and TR. Mayer is a TE, which we've always done very well with (along with OL).

    But yes, the 2020 class was nicer than normal. 2019 however was a total bust. We didn't sign a RB or a WR over 0.90. 2018 was OK with 5 star Phil and Austin, but I don't think Long had much to do with either.

    Overall if you look at all the classes he was involved with 2017-2020, O-skill was lacking. I give him a break on 17 and 18, but 19 was bad. Not saying he didn't help with some of the good ones in 2020, but I just don't see the consistency overall.
    I've long shared that opinion, and not to go all bod squad, but recently he's looked much more well built than I was expecting. He could be closer to an every down back than originally thought.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
    I agree he had to go. Not sure how you can say recruiting wasn't good before he left. Last year's class alone (and I'm pretty sure he was lead recruiter for 2, if not all 3 of em):
    • Tyree
    • Johnson
    • Mayer

    Tyree IIRC talked more about Taylor than Long (I could be wrong). He's not really a prototypical RB (at least not yet), so while I'm totally jacked we got him, not sure he'll be that killer, and true RB1 we've been without for a while.

    Alexander was lead on Johnson I think. IIRC, he also talked about BK and TR. Mayer is a TE, which we've always done very well with (along with OL).

    But yes, the 2020 class was nicer than normal. 2019 however was a total bust. We didn't sign a RB or a WR over 0.90. 2018 was OK with 5 star Phil and Austin, but I don't think Long had much to do with either.

    Overall if you look at all the classes he was involved with 2017-2020, O-skill was lacking. I give him a break on 17 and 18, but 19 was bad. Not saying he didn't help with some of the good ones in 2020, but I just don't see the consistency overall.

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  • ThePiombino
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    IDK. You always drop a recruit or two when you get rid of a coordinator. Let's face it, we didn't recruit all that well with O skill players (WRs and RBs) before anyway. From the time Colzie committed, I was fearful he'd end up at UGA. The kid does live in Athens after all. Always thought he'd be UGA/Bama coin toss early on.

    And had Long stayed, very possible some existing folks would have left if all the rumors are true.

    Regardless, I'm happy he's gone as his Os didn't impress me. I'm excited to see what Tommy will do.
    I agree he had to go. Not sure how you can say recruiting wasn't good before he left. Last year's class alone (and I'm pretty sure he was lead recruiter for 2, if not all 3 of em):
    • Tyree
    • Johnson
    • Mayer


    Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post
    I'm also unhappy with the recruiting right now but they've also added:

    Philip Riley
    Jason Onye
    David Abiara (even if he doesn't stick)
    Ryan Barnes
    Justin Walters

    All since Chip Long left.

    Edit: were you only talking about offensive recruiting? Because I'm disappointed in both sides of the ball right now.
    I'm mostly concerned with the offensive side. Defensive side has rallied, especially since Mickens was brought in. And I trust Elston til he proves otherwise.

    Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
    I don't think we can have an honest discussion about it, if you really think this. Go back and look at the list of expected unofficial and official visitors, that we had scheduled. If Covid never happens this is a drastically different situation. Now, what we can fault the staff for is a sloppy and somewhat stubborn pivot. And still ongoing. But, it's disingenuous to say it has nothing to do with Covid. It was a top 5 class with an absolutely loaded March and April visit list.
    The whole philosophy this year was short-sited pre-COVID, and glaringly more ever since. Their refusal to adjust in real-time like MANY other schools is baffling. That all said, you can't sit here and pretend that recruiting wasn't already stifled prior to COVID, however. We can pretend that ND is especially affected by lack of visits, but come on -- every other school is in the same boat and most top-tier schools have been doing just fine. Now sure, perhaps we'll see a flood of decommitments once things open back up. And maybe, just MAYBE, ND can benefit from that. But until there's some smoke regarding the recruits we need in order to take this team to the next level, I'm going to go based off of what's in the pudding right now -- stalled offensive recruiting...
    Last edited by ThePiombino; 06-26-2020, 10:15 AM.

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  • Luckylucci
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    Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
    Doesn't matter. Pretty obvious to me that recruiting (specifically of the offensive variety) has been stuck in the mud for quite some time. And don't fool yourselves, it has nothing to due with COVID. It dates back to roughly the exit of Chip Long. Not saying that didn't need to happen, but facts are facts -- since then:

    - Colzie
    + Coogan

    It's been 1/2 a year. Yikes...
    I don't think we can have an honest discussion about it, if you really think this. Go back and look at the list of expected unofficial and official visitors, that we had scheduled. If Covid never happens this is a drastically different situation. Now, what we can fault the staff for is a sloppy and somewhat stubborn pivot. And still ongoing. But, it's disingenuous to say it has nothing to do with Covid. It was a top 5 class with an absolutely loaded March and April visit list.

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  • zelezo vlk
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    Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
    Doesn't matter. Pretty obvious to me that recruiting (specifically of the offensive variety) has been stuck in the mud for quite some time. And don't fool yourselves, it has nothing to due with COVID. It dates back to roughly the exit of Chip Long. Not saying that didn't need to happen, but facts are facts -- since then:

    - Colzie
    + Coogan

    It's been 1/2 a year. Yikes...
    I'm also unhappy with the recruiting right now but they've also added:

    Philip Riley
    Jason Onye
    David Abiara (even if he doesn't stick)
    Ryan Barnes
    Justin Walters

    All since Chip Long left.

    Edit: were you only talking about offensive recruiting? Because I'm disappointed in both sides of the ball right now.
    Last edited by zelezo vlk; 06-26-2020, 09:53 AM.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
    Doesn't matter. Pretty obvious to me that recruiting (specifically of the offensive variety) has been stuck in the mud for quite some time. And don't fool yourselves, it has nothing to due with COVID. It dates back to roughly the exit of Chip Long. Not saying that didn't need to happen, but facts are facts -- since then:

    - Colzie
    + Coogan

    It's been 1/2 a year. Yikes...
    IDK. You always drop a recruit or two when you get rid of a coordinator. Let's face it, we didn't recruit all that well with O skill players (WRs and RBs) before anyway. From the time Colzie committed, I was fearful he'd end up at UGA. The kid does live in Athens after all. Always thought he'd be UGA/Bama coin toss early on.

    And had Long stayed, very possible some existing folks would have left if all the rumors are true.

    Regardless, I'm happy he's gone as his Os didn't impress me. I'm excited to see what Tommy will do.

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  • ThePiombino
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    Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
    This won't help our Irish.
    Doesn't matter. Pretty obvious to me that recruiting (specifically of the offensive variety) has been stuck in the mud for quite some time. And don't fool yourselves, it has nothing to due with COVID. It dates back to roughly the exit of Chip Long. Not saying that didn't need to happen, but facts are facts -- since then:

    - Colzie
    + Coogan

    It's been 1/2 a year. Yikes...

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  • Irish#1
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    This won't help our Irish.

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  • Luckylucci
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    Definitely, no visits until the season now.
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Division I Council has extended the recruiting dead period: <a href="https://t.co/cGExRdbLrl">https://t.co/cGExRdbLrl</a> <a href="https://t.co/se3BFgg8wY">pic.twitter.com/se3BFgg8wY</a></p>&mdash; Inside the NCAA (@InsidetheNCAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsidetheNCAA/status/1276277929870340097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • SouthSideChiDomer
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    Looks like very early on in the process Land was committed to VT and then was actually committed to Maryland before flipping to Liberty on signing day.

    https://247sports.com/Player/Tayvion...imelineEvents/

    It sounds like Land was their starting Nickel, so I don't know if he played outside as a true corner at all. Maybe he is our Crawford replacement.
    Last edited by SouthSideChiDomer; 06-24-2020, 06:10 PM.

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  • NDCrusader
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    Originally posted by CanadalovesND View Post
    He’s a little on the smaller side, and despite being from a smaller school, he was rated as a 3-star prospect, and had some good offers coming out of high school, including: Auburn, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Florida, Georgia, LSU etc..

    Surprised he chose Liberty considering the bigger options on the table
    Rivals had him as a 4* /#31 CB / 5.8 rating

    ESPN = 4* / #33 CB / 89 rating

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  • NDCrusader
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    Originally posted by fightingirish26 View Post
    Not if we're at 86
    Well technically, they will be at 86 at some point AND Grunhard's keeping his scholarship.

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  • CanadalovesND
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    Originally posted by KizerWilhelm View Post
    BGI reporting we're in talks with Tayvion Land, a starting CB at Liberty who entered the portal after racism from the administration.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Notre Dame</a> is looking at the transfer portal once again. ��<a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickEngel_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickEngel_</a> has the scoop.<a href="https://t.co/6o7TdaZHCB">https://t.co/6o7TdaZHCB</a></p>&mdash; BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/1275877629267185665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
    He’s a little on the smaller side, and despite being from a smaller school, he was rated as a 3-star prospect, and had some good offers coming out of high school, including: Auburn, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Florida, Georgia, LSU etc..

    Surprised he chose Liberty considering the bigger options on the table

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  • fightingirish26
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    Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
    Grunhard's keeping his.
    Not if we're at 86

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  • NDCrusader
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    Originally posted by fightingirish26 View Post
    Is Robertson still technically on the team? He won't be by the fall. I think Mabry is supposed to be a medical candidate. Spears moving to OL made me go hmmm. Obviously Assaf/Grunhard will have to go off scholly if we don't make it all the way down. But yes, if they are still even entertaining the possibility of adding another player things are gonna have to go down at some point.
    Grunhard's keeping his.

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  • fightingirish26
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    Is Robertson still technically on the team? He won't be by the fall. I think Mabry is supposed to be a medical candidate. Spears moving to OL made me go hmmm. Obviously Assaf/Grunhard will have to go off scholly if we don't make it all the way down. But yes, if they are still even entertaining the possibility of adding another player things are gonna have to go down at some point.

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  • NDMIA
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    How many scholarships does this staff have??? Starting to get concerned that there’s something going on. They’d be up to 91 dudes if this guy came to campus. I’d love to have him but that seems crazy. Maybe the NCAA will grant some extra schollies? Maybe a bunch of medicals coming that we don’t know about? Certainly interesting to keep an eye on.

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  • KizerWilhelm
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    BGI reporting we're in talks with Tayvion Land, a starting CB at Liberty who entered the portal after racism from the administration.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Notre Dame</a> is looking at the transfer portal once again. ��<a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickEngel_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickEngel_</a> has the scoop.<a href="https://t.co/6o7TdaZHCB">https://t.co/6o7TdaZHCB</a></p>&mdash; BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/1275877629267185665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • dublinirish
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    Mack Brown knew it was time to step away.

    When he was head coach at Texas, the Longhorns went 13-1 in 2009, losing only to Alabama in the national championship game. That loss devastated him, and he dwelled on it endlessly.

    Rather than focusing on the 13 wins and celebrating his players for their accomplishments, he searched for answers in that one loss. He beat himself up as a coach and looked for weaknesses from that defeat.

    "This is a game, you're supposed to enjoy it, and I'm afraid a lot of the years I had, I was fighting that," Brown said. "Coach [Darrell] Royal told me something at Texas. He quit coaching at 52, and I asked him 'Why'd you quit at 52?' He said because the wins became a relief and the losses became devastation.

    "He had no joy in his life, and I think that's where I got at Texas."

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    Brown stepped down at Texas after the 2013 season and spent five years working as a college football analyst for ESPN. He spent those five years meeting with college coaches before calling a game, scouring hours of film, watching practices and studying up on the young new coaches making an impact. Things that were part of the job, or so he thought.

    Those conversations with coaches became pre-interviews, allowing him to create mental lists of potential hires if he ever returned to coaching. Studying film helped him see what works and what doesn't in this era of college football, and he was closely observing the profession and the game.

    His time away from the game really allowed him to rediscover his love for coaching college football. With a rejuvenated perspective, he came up with a new plan to build a team and staff. That is what he credits for his promising start with North Carolina.

    "When you're the head coach at Texas and you're winning a lot of games, you don't have to have new ideas, you don't have to change and you really don't doubt that much," Brown said. "You don't get off that roller coaster to take a look around, and it was really good for me to see how other people were doing things and talk to other people about it."

    Returning to UNC
    It wasn't until Brown was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in January 2018 that he and his wife, Sally, realized they had missed coaching. Traveling to his various stops as a coach was part of the Hall of Fame process, and when Brown made his way to North Carolina, seeing the number of former players who showed up in support and the feeling he got being around a college football program meant both of them knew it was time for a return.

    It was later that night, after visiting North Carolina, Brown and his wife had the conversation that it was time to come back.

    "That night Sally said, 'I see what you're missing. You have a void because you love these kids,'" Brown said. "'That's what you do, that's your gift is to help kids grow.' She said that's why if the right place ever comes up, we need to come back and do this, because this is what you do well."

    At the time, they didn't know the right opportunity would be the very school they were visiting, where Brown had coached from 1988 to 1997.

    "It's not about the rings and trophies and money, that's not what you got into it for. Most coaches that I saw in my time off weren't very happy in coaching ... if I was going back, I was going to be happy."
    Mack Brown
    But it sparked Brown to start preparing. He compiled lists of how he wanted to build his staff. Those hours watching practice and film were now scouting reports and new schemes for the offenses and defenses he wanted to run.

    Brown got a chance to get off the coaching roller coaster and rediscover his energy and passion for the game. He knew he could do something special at a place like North Carolina.

    Before he jumped in, however, he made a promise to Sally that he would have more fun this time around.

    Newfound joy
    Brown knew he had to take a different approach this time around or he would quickly lose that energy. It started with the coaching staff. He didn't want to get the old band back together and trot out the same groups he had in the past.

    He coached against Mike Leach and Kliff Kingsbury at Texas and knew a lot about the Air Raid offenses they ran. Brown felt if those offenses could incorporate the run, nobody could stop them. In his time at ESPN, he watched a young coach named Lincoln Riley run an offense that blended the pass and run game the way he wanted it to, exactly like how Riley's Oklahoma Sooners did last season.

    "I talked to Lincoln, I talked to Kliff, and they gave me three or four names that could do what they're doing, because I couldn't hire one of them," Brown said. "I asked Lincoln if he'd leave Oklahoma to come be my offensive coordinator. He laughed and said he'd have more fun. Kliff too, but he was headed to the pros."

    One of the names on that list was Phil Longo, who had been the offensive coordinator at Sam Houston State and then Ole Miss. Brown's brother, Watson, had called three Sam Houston games and mentioned Longo's name to his brother as well. Brown knew Longo was the right fit.

    On defense, Brown zeroed in on then-Army defensive coordinator Jay Bateman. Brown remembered seeing Army's defense while calling the Armed Forces Bowl in 2017. Bateman was one of those inadvertent production meeting interviews, as Brown met with Bateman for more than an hour rather than the usual 20 minutes.

    But Brown didn't only need to find the right coaches. Having been out of the game for five years, he needed to prove to them he was prepared for success once again.

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    Bateman was familiar with Brown as he had been around the Army team, but Bateman had also attended a Mack Brown football camp in high school. He figured Brown would do a great job, but it wasn't until meeting with him in person about the defensive coordinator opening that he believed Brown was going to do something special.

    Bateman and his wife have an 8-year-old boy with autism, but never mentioned it to Brown before a meeting they had about the job. His son's care at West Point was an important factor as to why he hadn't left for other jobs.

    Only 10 minutes into the conversation with Bateman and his wife, Brown mentioned the number of resources that would be available to them and their son at Chapel Hill and Duke. That there would be other athletic department employees who had children with autism that they could reach out to. He brought up the fact that he and Sally had helped build the Sally and Mack Brown Rise School of Austin, a school for early childhood and preschool education for children with special needs.

    "At that point, my wife was done, she was like, 'Yeah, we're going,'" Bateman said. "I just think that's how he is with everybody that he meets. He's constantly reaching out to us coaches saying, 'I need you to call this guy because he has a question about something we've done that we've had success in our life, whether it's football or non-football.' I think people realize pretty quickly with him, that's just who he is."

    Bateman got a firsthand glimpse of what made Brown such a good recruiter his whole coaching career. Brown doesn't do sales pitches; he's genuine. That left no doubt as to whether Brown would be able to jump back into recruiting as well.

    'If you're trying, you're faking it'
    Not everyone can take more than five years off and dive back in with recruiting success. Relationships have changed, high school coaches have changed schools, younger college coaches are gaining prominence and recent national championship rings are dangled in front of recruits like a carrot in front of a rabbit. Not to mention that recruits have detailed digitally edited photos, alternate uniforms and high-tech facility upgrades constantly put in front of their faces.

    But Brown has something that can't be taught: the ability to connect and communicate with people. Just being himself and showing people he cares has been a big part of why Brown and North Carolina have had tremendous recruiting success early on.

    In his first recruiting class, Brown flipped ESPN 300 quarterback Sam Howell from Florida State and finished with the No. 23-ranked class. In 2020, Brown and his staff landed five-star defensive end Desmond Evans, along with five other ESPN 300 prospects, moving up to the No. 16 class overall.

    In the 2021 recruiting cycle, North Carolina has the No. 4-ranked class in the country. The staff flipped ESPN 300 quarterback Drake Maye from Alabama and has five-star defensive end Keeshawn Silver committed.

    Silver is the top-ranked prospect in North Carolina, and keeping those in-state prospects home was a big focus for Brown. All 11 of UNC's ESPN 300 commitments in the 2021 class are from North Carolina.

    That genuine feeling from Brown was impressed upon Silver both figuratively and literally during his recruitment.

    "He hugged and kissed me when I committed; I'll never forget that," Silver said. "I don't know if it was intentional or not, but he hugged me and then kissed me. You can't replicate Mack Brown; it's like you can't replicate Nick Saban; if you're trying, you're faking it."


    Mack Brown helped UNC finish with the No. 23 recruiting class in 2019 and No. 16 in 2020. As of now, the Tar Heels have the No. 4-ranked class in 2021. Streeter Lecka/Getty Images
    Brown hasn't faked that in his 30-plus years of coaching. When Tommy Thigpen thinks back to his recruitment in the late 1980s as a linebacker at Potomac High School in Dumfries, Virginia, he remembers very vividly one coach making a profound impact on him and his father.

    Of all the college coaches that came through their home and tried to recruit Tommy, it was Brown who made the biggest impression on the Thigpen family. Originally from Arkansas, Thigpen didn't have any real ties to North Carolina, outside of a high school coach who asked him to take a look at the Tar Heels as a favor.

    He obliged and found himself and his father in front of Brown, coming away with a feeling they hadn't experienced with anyone else.

    "I just remember this: The most influential person in my life is my father, and when he met Mack Brown, he said, 'There aren't many men in your life who are going to take an interest in your future,'" said Thigpen, now a co-defensive coordinator with the Tar Heels. "'But this man right here, he's going to be around you the rest of your life. I don't know about these other coaches, but I have a good feeling about this guy; you can trust this guy.'"

    That feeling of genuine compassion from Brown was exactly why Thigpen knew Brown wouldn't have any issues returning to the recruiting world. Back in the '80s, Brown had told Thigpen that choosing North Carolina would be a 40-year decision, not a four-year one. Now, nearly 30 years later, here they are, with Thigpen's father's words still holding true.

    No generation gap
    He's been out of the game for too long.

    He's too old.

    Recruiting has changed too much.

    Other people may have doubted Brown, but people close to him and the recruits who met him in person never felt that way.

    Even though he's 68, Brown doesn't believe there's a generation gap. As long as you relate to people, it doesn't matter whether you're in your 30s or nearing 70.

    "I think the generation gap is people; if you can relate to kids, you can relate to kids," Brown said. "We're so honest that a lot of people in recruiting tell them what they want to hear. I've got 32 years of players that are going to tell people that I told them the truth, and we even have seven guys on our staff that played for me at North Carolina."

    Brown's style is his own genuine self, one at which Thigpen laughs lovingly when thinking about how different Brown is from other coaches.

    On in-home visits with recruits, Thigpen knows other coaches spend time on clichés, telling recruits and parents the same message they just heard from the last staff that was in their living room. Thigpen says Brown is in the kitchen cooking dinner and cleaning dishes, immersing himself into the family rather than telling them how he will be a part of their family.

    Brown took the foundation of what made him successful at Texas and his time away from the game to analyze his mistakes, better his system and surround himself with the right people. Those reservations on whether Brown would be successful in his return to coaching have now turned into questions on how far North Carolina can go.

    Brown vowed he wouldn't let losing consume him and rob him of why he got into coaching: to develop his players and mentor these young kids. He promised his wife he wouldn't be devastated by a few slip-ups. He admits he hasn't lived up to that promise just yet, but he is allowing himself to have a lot more fun than he did in the past.

    Taking the time away from coaching made him realize why he got into coaching in the first place and helped him prioritize how this last chapter would be written.

    "I realized in the five years off, what I missed was being around the young people, the organization, the practice, the fourth quarter of the game where you're behind, trying to get back to win the game late," Brown said. "It's not about the rings and trophies and money, that's not what you got into it for. Most coaches that I saw in my time off weren't very happy in coaching, and I committed to my wife, Sally, if I was going back, I was going to be happy.

    "This is a game. You're supposed to enjoy it."
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  • Luckylucci
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    Originally posted by Rack Em View Post
    The money has always been there and ND has always been recruiting against it. Let's not act like Clemson or Auburn or Texas A&M aren't paying for recruits.

    Now it's just going to be more in the open.
    Understood. But, now ND isn't just competing against those programs for a couple/few guys every cycle. They are competing against all programs, at all times, for their entire roster. The local stud in Pittsburgh who isn't a national recruit but would 'make' Pitt's class, is going to be heavily involved with Pitt boosters.

    Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
    That's what I was kind of getting at.

    ND was already trying to recruit against programs that will have a legit bidding war, and they weren't willing to participate.

    Now they can, legally.

    Even if they do it *poorly,* it's still better than NOT doing it at all.

    Though I will note that I understand where Lucky and others get their concerns about ND screwing themselves somehow anyway.
    With more programs involved in this, all to be exact, I don't see how ND doing it poorly is comparable to current status quo. Like above, competing against Maryland for Maryland prospects won't be the same unless ND is prepared to boldly and loudly explain their value proposition. Because they've failed to do that up until this point in many other areas, I don't see how this would be different.

    Let me say that I don't think this will hurt ND's recruiting in a meaningful way. But, I do believe it will provide an even larger road block to the 'elite' status some think we should be at.

    Hopefully I'm wrong and ND goes full ethically HAM on this thing and gets in front of it.

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  • IrishLion
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    Originally posted by Rack Em View Post
    The money has always been there and ND has always been recruiting against it. Let's not act like Clemson or Auburn or Texas A&M aren't paying for recruits.

    Now it's just going to be more in the open.
    That's what I was kind of getting at.

    ND was already trying to recruit against programs that will have a legit bidding war, and they weren't willing to participate.

    Now they can, legally.

    Even if they do it *poorly,* it's still better than NOT doing it at all.

    Though I will note that I understand where Lucky and others get their concerns about ND screwing themselves somehow anyway.

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  • Rack Em
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    Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
    IMO, this empowers the local programs even more so than before. Before it was ND's education and football versus location. Now it's ND's education and football against location and money.
    The money has always been there and ND has always been recruiting against it. Let's not act like Clemson or Auburn or Texas A&M aren't paying for recruits.

    Now it's just going to be more in the open.

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  • Luckylucci
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    I can't remember which (not pointing fingers as I was hopeful too) poster stated that ND has all this money and could use Covid-19 as a way to separate themselves from the state schools who's budgets might be restricted. Well, that hasn't happened.

    How great would it be to have a Kelly contract extension announced in the middle of Covid-19 with awesome program updates to pitch recruits. That didn't happen.

    ND just never seems prepared to throw it's weight around even in ways that would be deemed ethical.

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  • Luckylucci
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    Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
    The big dogs and usual suspects are already hogging all of the top talent, and playing a game that ND can't/won't participate in. NIL can't shift the balance of power any further out of wack, because it's already on tilt.

    My thought process is that NIL rules can only help. Even if ND's efforts at promoting NIL benefits to potential top recruits aren't as good as they should be, it's still a new angle that gives ND an 'in' to a game they weren't playing before.

    Some effort at going after these guys is better than not being able to participate in those particular recruitments at all.

    The only way it's a true detriment is if ND flatly refuses to use that angle to recruit certain players even after NIL rules are approved... in which case they would likely be removing themselves from FBS football and Olympic sport equivalents anyway, so it wouldn't even be an argument about shooting themselves in the foot at that point.

    (It would be an argument as to whether or not they can win the Ivy League Championship in a given year lol)
    I guess I don't agree with that. Bk says ND can recruit in the top 5 and I think there are substantially more programs than that that are prepared to go all in on this. I think the only way this benefits ND is if they are prepared to really utilize the brand to their advantage. Which, I think we can all agree, they've been inconsistent with.

    You are going to have to recruit against the top programs for national prospects and against regional boosters for those lower tier guys. In both scenarios you have to make sure you are providing a clear value add proposition. IMO, this empowers the local programs even more so than before. Before it was ND's education and football versus location. Now it's ND's education and football against location and money. That is if ND isn't conveying their proposition correctly. None of this has happened so it's just my opinion but we can't even get Kelly a contract extension with program upgrades included in it. ISD has lamented on ND's social media presence. We are already behind in the scale of our recruiting department. I fail to see how we could look at all these examples of ND still playing catchup and think, ND is going to be at the forefront of this.

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