Yea, let’s not play that game where we sit on our hands and wait for him to truly blow up and then get involved. Trust the eval and go and get this young man.
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Freebie from a local OH paper:
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https://medina-gazette.com/news/2501...s-stock-rises/
High school football: Medina QB Drew Allar's stock rises
By Brad Bournival
The Gazette
Feb 01, 2021 2:28 PM
He has interest from Notre Dame, Illinois, Syracuse, Oregon, Michigan State and Washington.
Those numbers fall right in line for someone who is about to explode in the recruiting world. If the usual pattern falls in place — it has so far — the mid-majors throw interest and then offers.
After that, someone like Iowa or Kentucky offers and then the biggest schools come calling.
That happened to Allar on Saturday (Penn State) and Monday (Michigan, Texas A&M) with more offers for the three-star quarterback, who should turn into a four star very soon as more offers arrive.
Allar is leaning toward committing by the first high school game of his senior season and wants to put ink to paper in December during the early signing day so he can be on a college campus in January.
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I would assume they are doing that very stupid practice where they wait for another prospect, that they have no shot at to decide, to then further expand the board. In this case it's Ty Simpson. So Tommy and staff are going to spend a tremendous amount of time with Ty before sending out the next offers.
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostI would assume they are doing that very stupid practice where they wait for another prospect, that they have no shot at to decide, to then further expand the board. In this case it's Ty Simpson. So Tommy and staff are going to spend a tremendous amount of time with Ty before sending out the next offers.What did Davonte do?
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostI would assume they are doing that very stupid practice where they wait for another prospect, that they have no shot at to decide, to then further expand the board. In this case it's Ty Simpson. So Tommy and staff are going to spend a tremendous amount of time with Ty before sending out the next offers.
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Originally posted by ThePiombino View PostI don't see what the problem is. Worked out like gangbusters with Shipley. Right? Right??!
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To be fair, the talk on Wimsatt is pretty positive to the point of if you can convince him to leave KY you might consider ND the leader there even. So comparing it to Simpson, he’s not the only other QB offer they could be “waiting on” and certainly is not one that we have no shot
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Originally posted by Dale View PostTo be fair, the talk on Wimsatt is pretty positive to the point of if you can convince him to leave KY you might consider ND the leader there even. So comparing it to Simpson, he’s not the only other QB offer they could be “waiting on” and certainly is not one that we have no shot
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Originally posted by Dale View PostTo be fair, the talk on Wimsatt is pretty positive to the point of if you can convince him to leave KY you might consider ND the leader there even. So comparing it to Simpson, he’s not the only other QB offer they could be “waiting on” and certainly is not one that we have no shot
I just don't know about Wimastt, is he
Lamar Jackson/Baker Mayfield?
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Brandon W/Puma Pass?
Super athletic, fast as hell, great arm, but seemed to always be throwing on the run/deep to wide open guys. I saw a lot of that in BW film from what I recall. The kid has legit raw talent/arm and legs, but IDK... Call me a skeptic" Brendon Clark for QB 2021"
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostFair but I don’t really see that being much better. At least not good enough to stop us from getting things started in the Allar sweepstakes.
ND had a great cycle and got Buchner early. But I’ve heard this story before where they’ve taken time to offer kids and let an individual be the QB of choice before moving on. I really hate that because there are several really really good QB’s in most classes. I don’t like that they don’t even get in the race for many of them because they might not like the weather (Clemson’s QB DJ said that to BK and they didn’t offer) or for other reasons. I’d prefer it if ND offered Quinn Ewers (never gonna happen but still shoot your shot), Gunner Stockton (was wavering on his commitment could’ve been worth a phone call), Ty Simpson (a year ago), Gavin Wimsatt, Sam Horn (BK probably didn’t like that he’s like a Brett Favre and throws INT’s but he’s got incredible arm talent), Braden Davis (my want for the class as I love his makeup but might not ever happen sadly), Cade Klubnik (one of the best QB’s at one of the best state divisions in the country and super talented), Steve Angeli (I actually don’t love him as a prospect but many schools do love him so I’m glad ND offered him), and Drew Allar (surely has to end up as a 4* with what he displayed in his junior year and on film). It’s just frustrating to watch ND recruit the position weirdly that seemingly recruits itself at ND. It’s one of the most preferred destinations for a QB in the country just based off of the program, the tradition, the TV games and the fact that if ur a big time QB you can be the key to unlocking ND’s National Title run.
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Originally posted by NDMIA View PostOhio State offered 7 QB’s last cycle. Bama offered 11. Clemson offered 5. Florida offered 10. LSU offered 17. Georgia offered 10. Notre Dame offered 3.
ND had a great cycle and got Buchner early. But I’ve heard this story before where they’ve taken time to offer kids and let an individual be the QB of choice before moving on. I really hate that because there are several really really good QB’s in most classes. I don’t like that they don’t even get in the race for many of them because they might not like the weather (Clemson’s QB DJ said that to BK and they didn’t offer) or for other reasons. I’d prefer it if ND offered Quinn Ewers (never gonna happen but still shoot your shot), Gunner Stockton (was wavering on his commitment could’ve been worth a phone call), Ty Simpson (a year ago), Gavin Wimsatt, Sam Horn (BK probably didn’t like that he’s like a Brett Favre and throws INT’s but he’s got incredible arm talent), Braden Davis (my want for the class as I love his makeup but might not ever happen sadly), Cade Klubnik (one of the best QB’s at one of the best state divisions in the country and super talented), Steve Angeli (I actually don’t love him as a prospect but many schools do love him so I’m glad ND offered him), and Drew Allar (surely has to end up as a 4* with what he displayed in his junior year and on film). It’s just frustrating to watch ND recruit the position weirdly that seemingly recruits itself at ND. It’s one of the most preferred destinations for a QB in the country just based off of the program, the tradition, the TV games and the fact that if ur a big time QB you can be the key to unlocking ND’s National Title run.
Just look at what has happened with the NEW DC hire. Look at the offers going out that never would have.Brotherhood may fade, but it will never run
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Originally posted by Irish#1 View PostUntil we offer every kid when they're a freshman, this board will never be happy. lol
I would love to know the strategy behind offers and their timelines.
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Originally posted by NDMIA View PostOhio State offered 7 QB’s last cycle. Bama offered 11. Clemson offered 5. Florida offered 10. LSU offered 17. Georgia offered 10. Notre Dame offered 3.
ND had a great cycle and got Buchner early. But I’ve heard this story before where they’ve taken time to offer kids and let an individual be the QB of choice before moving on. I really hate that because there are several really really good QB’s in most classes. I don’t like that they don’t even get in the race for many of them because they might not like the weather (Clemson’s QB DJ said that to BK and they didn’t offer) or for other reasons. I’d prefer it if ND offered Quinn Ewers (never gonna happen but still shoot your shot), Gunner Stockton (was wavering on his commitment could’ve been worth a phone call), Ty Simpson (a year ago), Gavin Wimsatt, Sam Horn (BK probably didn’t like that he’s like a Brett Favre and throws INT’s but he’s got incredible arm talent), Braden Davis (my want for the class as I love his makeup but might not ever happen sadly), Cade Klubnik (one of the best QB’s at one of the best state divisions in the country and super talented), Steve Angeli (I actually don’t love him as a prospect but many schools do love him so I’m glad ND offered him), and Drew Allar (surely has to end up as a 4* with what he displayed in his junior year and on film). It’s just frustrating to watch ND recruit the position weirdly that seemingly recruits itself at ND. It’s one of the most preferred destinations for a QB in the country just based off of the program, the tradition, the TV games and the fact that if ur a big time QB you can be the key to unlocking ND’s National Title run.Prehistoric
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Originally posted by ThePiombino View PostDisagree. There are clear deficiencies in ND's recruiting philosophies. Sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we don't. There's nothing wrong with people pointing that out.
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Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Posti dont agree with the bolded at all.
Clemson
Bama
Georgia
Oklahoma
LSU
I'll even give you Texas A&M, Oregon, and Florida because of the resources and talent at those schools right now. You can't tell me it's not a top 10 position to be offering to kids. Unless we're seeing the selling point being extremely different for these kids. I understand that BK's been known to not fully develop QB's but it just seems that a ton of kids want to come to ND to be a QB in South Bend. I'm pretty sure the 4th best QB in the 2021 class wanted to be at ND a while back (JJ McCarthy). I'm pretty sure the 5th (Graham Mertz) and 7th best (Dylan Morris) QB's in the 2020 class wanted ND but they chose McNamara before ending up with Clark. 2018 they got a top 10 QB in Phil Jurkovec. Also in 2017 I think they could've had the #2 QB in Hunter Johnson but they went with Avery Davis. Again, there are some negatives with the QB position at ND but if they want to I'm pretty sure they could grab a top 10 QB in most classes if they chose him from their evals. Instead they go with Avery Davis, Cade McNamara, and Drew Pyne. Again correct me if I'm wrong in assuming the interest in Mertz, McCarthy and the others.
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Originally posted by NDMIA View PostSo you don't think with tradition, facilities, exposure, national schedule, level of the program, and other factors that this isn't a top 10 QB job in the country?
Clemson
Bama
Georgia
Oklahoma
LSU
I'll even give you Texas A&M, Oregon, and Florida because of the resources and talent at those schools right now. You can't tell me it's not a top 10 position to be offering to kids. Unless we're seeing the selling point being extremely different for these kids. I understand that BK's been known to not fully develop QB's but it just seems that a ton of kids want to come to ND to be a QB in South Bend. I'm pretty sure the 4th best QB in the 2021 class wanted to be at ND a while back (JJ McCarthy). I'm pretty sure the 5th (Graham Mertz) and 7th best (Dylan Morris) QB's in the 2020 class wanted ND but they chose McNamara before ending up with Clark. 2018 they got a top 10 QB in Phil Jurkovec. Also in 2017 I think they could've had the #2 QB in Hunter Johnson but they went with Avery Davis. Again, there are some negatives with the QB position at ND but if they want to I'm pretty sure they could grab a top 10 QB in most classes if they chose him from their evals. Instead they go with Avery Davis, Cade McNamara, and Drew Pyne. Again correct me if I'm wrong in assuming the interest in Mertz, McCarthy and the others.Prehistoric
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ND is not a top 10 landing spot. The best QB we have had during BK is Kizer, who isn't an NFL starter. ND has recruited high ranking QB's and it hasn't panned out. We have not proven a QB will succeed here. How we landed PJ and TB is beyond me. See where PJ is now. It is only a matter of time before we start to see the real struggles recruiting QB's, not just fielding them.I used to be D-BOE34 but I can't login for some reason. Will someone donate some vBucks?
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Originally posted by DONALDIII View PostND is not a top 10 landing spot. The best QB we have had during BK is Kizer, who isn't an NFL starter. ND has recruited high ranking QB's and it hasn't panned out. We have not proven a QB will succeed here. How we landed PJ and TB is beyond me. See where PJ is now. It is only a matter of time before we start to see the real struggles recruiting QB's, not just fielding them.
While I'm disappointed in the QB play at ND under Kelly, I'm convinced ANY other HC would have ND in the Top 5 immediately and on equal footing with Clemson, Bama, OSU and OU.
Buchner's his last chance while he's a head coach. Allar's days in the spotlight will be on the guys who take over for BK & Tommy.
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Originally posted by NDCrusader View PostThat's just it, ND's brand is so strong that Kelly keeps getting QB chances he doesn't deserve.
While I'm disappointed in the QB play at ND under Kelly, I'm convinced ANY other HC would have ND in the Top 5 immediately and on equal footing with Clemson, Bama, OSU and OU.
Buchner's his last chance while he's a head coach. Allar's days in the spotlight will be on the guys who take over for BK & Tommy.I used to be D-BOE34 but I can't login for some reason. Will someone donate some vBucks?
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Originally posted by DONALDIII View PostND is not a top 10 landing spot. The best QB we have had during BK is Kizer, who isn't an NFL starter. ND has recruited high ranking QB's and it hasn't panned out. We have not proven a QB will succeed here. How we landed PJ and TB is beyond me. See where PJ is now. It is only a matter of time before we start to see the real struggles recruiting QB's, not just fielding them.
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Originally posted by NDCrusader View PostThat's just it, ND's brand is so strong that Kelly keeps getting QB chances he doesn't deserve.
While I'm disappointed in the QB play at ND under Kelly, I'm convinced ANY other HC would have ND in the Top 5 immediately and on equal footing with Clemson, Bama, OSU and OU.
Buchner's his last chance while he's a head coach. Allar's days in the spotlight will be on the guys who take over for BK & Tommy.
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Originally posted by Dale View PostThe results not showing us to be a top 10 spot I don’t think was the OP who said in recruiting it’s a top 10 spots point. Those better at recruiting history could disagree or confirm but haven’t the last 3 QBs that ND recruited to be “the guy” been elite recruits and who they wanted? Wimbush, Jurkovec and Buchner. The results is a separate discussion but landing those 3 at their rankings I would say is evidence of when they want it, they can land a Top 10 guy.
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostYea, they’ve haven’t had an issue with getting the guy. They also got Gunner Kiel. It’s those guys producing that has been the issue. Which is a different discussion altogether.
With most elite recruits, they are not going to think that way. Everyone one of them believes they will be different. That “I” am going to be the one that succeeds + I get the pageantry, fan fare etc. Now some could be swayed they can get that plus maybe a better chance to succeed elsewhere. But none of them are going to be like “I’ll end up like Wimbush”. Every kid believes he is “built different”
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Originally posted by Dale View PostThe results not showing us to be a top 10 spot I don’t think was the OP who said in recruiting it’s a top 10 spots point. Those better at recruiting history could disagree or confirm but haven’t the last 3 QBs that ND recruited to be “the guy” been elite recruits and who they wanted? Wimbush, Jurkovec and Buchner. The results is a separate discussion but landing those 3 at their rankings I would say is evidence of when they want it, they can land a Top 10 guy.60% of the time, it works every time.
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Originally posted by Irishnuke View PostI think this says a lot about BK and company not being great evaluators of QB talent. Not saying every QB he recruits needs to get drafted, but only one in his whole tenure is disappointing.
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I don’t think we can really say anything definitively about BK’s QB development or recruiting. Other than it’s been a total crap shoot. You can’t say it’s poor evals and poor development because multiple guys out played their rankings. And, he also got a lot more out of some of those guys than anyone else did.
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View PostI don’t think we can really say anything definitively about BK’s QB development or recruiting. Other than it’s been a total crap shoot. You can’t say it’s poor evals and poor development because multiple guys out played their rankings. And, he also got a lot more out of some of those guys than anyone else did.
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I would say it's more of a evaluation issue combined with a process issue.
Book was great. And easily BKs best "success" story. But he should be the minimum level we bring in.
I want to see more two QB classes unless it's because we got a top 5 level studPrehistoric
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