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Welcome Steven! You already have doubters amongst your fan base. Work hard and prove those assholes wrong. Go Irish!
Just a reminder we have parents of recruits reading the board. The negativity expressed on a teenagers commitment day doesn’t seem like a good showing for our team.Love Thee Notre Dame!
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The more the fans don't like a kid, the more likely they are to start in the future it seems. haha
Good luck Stevie. Happy to have you on board."Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"
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Originally posted by greyhammer90 View PostHard to remember a kid that was met with more immediate apathy by the fanbase. He was clearly at the top of Rees' list. We'll see how it goes.
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Tough to not assume that Allar told BK that he wasn't that interested and then the staff called Angeli and let him know he could commit.
I think the staff likes the idea of rotating between a gunslinger (Buchner) and a "game manager" like Angeli. Worked with Wimbush - Book - Jurkovec at least in their eyes.
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Originally posted by BabyIrish View PostWelcome Steven! You already have doubters amongst your fan base. Work hard and prove those assholes wrong. Go Irish!
Just a reminder we have parents of recruits reading the board. The negativity expressed on a teenagers commitment day doesn’t seem like a good showing for our team.
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Congrats to Steve and his family. Let's see if we can pair him with another now.
Seems relevant in this thread as well - BK has done a lot with "worse"
Originally posted by NDdomer2 View PostQB Recruits all time under BK (with Angeli included for context):Average overall = .9085 equates to 4*Gunner Kiel National 26 0.9878 Brandon Wimbush National 46 0.9792 Tyler Buchner National 70 0.9685 Phil Jurkovec National 83 0.9593 Malik Zaire National 162 0.9300 Drew Pyne National 225 0.9164 Avery Davis National 246 0.9078 DeShone Kizer National 242 0.9073 Andrew Hendrix National 284 0.8999 Everett Golson National 267 0.8937 Steve Angeli National 375 0.8900 Brendon Clark National 521 0.8796 Tommy Rees National 421 0.8795 Ian Book National 517 0.8681 Luke Massa National 859 0.8559 Ron Powlus III National n/a 0.8126
I consider the following as "successes": Wimbush, Kizer, Golson, Rees, Book.
Successes average overall = .9056 which is really carried by Wimbush's .9792, excluding him it drops to .8872.
Angeli is maybe right in that "sweet spot" based on previous successful QBs under BK.
I am still in the thinking of we need 2 qbs. Would only be the third time we have under BK (2010 we had 3 (Hendrix, Rees, Massa) and just last year we took 2 (Buchner and Pyne). But with it being a position that is the most important in football and maybe looking at losing Clark to a medical (no info just speculating) I think it would be prudent.Prehistoric
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I don't claim to be a film evaluator...
But if Tommy Rees liked the way Ian Book played QB, then I can see from Angeli's highlights why Rees wanted him. He's really good on the back-should throws, he's already got the 'reverse spin away from a pass rusher' thing down, and he's an effective improviser.
The fact that he's taller and will probably end up having a much stronger arm than Ian bodes really well, IMO.
I'm excited about this pickup.
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Good luck to Steven. Hope he balls out. ND needs him to. I think the gripe with QB’s is the fact that ND hopefully thinks of themselves as a playoff contending program and yet they’ve got 6 QB’s in their pipeline and 5 of them are 3* guys. That’s ridiculous. Just flat out ridiculous. And for people who say Pyne was a 4* I’m more understanding on 247’s updated rankings where they factored in his lack of growth which obviously hurts the talented kid. I hope Steven continues to prove people wrong and do well at ND. I just understand the frustration for fans who are perplexed as to the talent level coming in for kids being sold on being Notre Dame’s QB which should mean something a little special. As an example look at some of these schools and their recruiting for QB’s
Clemson
.9690 4* Cade Klubnik
.8879 4* Bubba Chandler
.9949 5* DJ Uiagalelei
.9156 4* Taisun Phommacanh
.9999 5* Trevor Lawrence
.9854 5* Hunter Johnson
Alabama
.9861 5* Ty Simpson
.9633 4* Jalen Milroe
.9994 5* Bryce Young
.9269 4* Taulia Tagovailoa
.8972 4* Paul Tyson
Georgia
.9885 5* Gunner Stockton
.9909 5* Brock Vandagriff
.9095 4* Carson Beck
.8994 4* D’Wan Mathis
.8304 3* Stetson Bennett
.9998 5* Justin Fields
.9794 4* Jake Fromm
Oklahoma
.9970 5* Caleb Williams
.8827 3* Chandler Morris
.9942 5* Spencer Rattler
.9092 4* Tanner Mordecai
.9272 4* Chris Robison
Obviously lots of these haven’t panned out or transferred but there’s no way ND can’t be in the same stratosphere with these guys when it comes to recruiting. Sure they’ll never be Bama or Clemson but picking up some pretty heralded dudes would be solid. Jurkovec and Buchner were two guys in this ballpark but I’d like to see more. Right now QB recruiting is not matching up to a playoff caliber team that ND should be expecting and striving for.
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Originally posted by NDMIA View PostSure they’ll never be Bama or Clemson but picking up some pretty heralded dudes would be solid.
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The main difference is elite QB play. So don't sell your argument short. ND could absolutely be where Clemson is now if they prioritized recruiting and developing elite QB prospects. That's apparently not happening though.
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And to clarify, in case my post above comes across as being down on Angeli, I expect him to carry on the legacy of Rees and Book-- a multi-year starter that out-performs his rating who's easy to root for. If he turns out to be Book with better physical tools as his disposal, I'll be ecstatic. But as Crusader mentioned on the last page, his commitment coming now right after we whiffed on Allar is pointing up a major flaw in the program that's not his fault.Last edited by Whiskeyjack; 03-05-2021, 01:15 PM.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Driskell hates the Angeli commitment, in turn I will love him like a family member.</p>— Greg Flammang (@greg2126) <a href="https://twitter.com/greg2126/status/1367852962156929027?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who cares what he thinks</p>— Derrek Hamilton (@hoops527dh) <a href="https://twitter.com/hoops527dh/status/1367854506327834628?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Derek Hamilton haha yoooooooooooWhat did Davonte do?
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Welcome to ND Steve. As I said before, he’s a solid QB prospect and he does some nice things on tape. I was hoping for a different skill set and prospect but I think he’ll be a quality addition.
On another note, maybe they’re playing the long game here and this helps with Morris, Brown, Gould, and Bellamy. Go get em Steve!
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Originally posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
Clemson doesn't recruit that much better than we do:
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The main difference is elite QB play. So don't sell your argument short. ND could absolutely be where Clemson is now if they prioritized recruiting and developing elite QB prospects. That's apparently not happening though.Love You JB 64.....RIP.....AI720....4EVER
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I really don’t get the Book comparisons or how people are suggesting he has less physical tools.
Book is 6’ (maybe)
Angeli is 6’3 and has a dad taller than that so it’s possible he gets to 6’4.
I think he has stronger arm than Book did when he was a senior.
I have no idea how he pans out. And I have no critique for people wanting to dissect the qb recruiting strategy. But let’s not shit on the kid personally the day of his commitment.Love Thee Notre Dame!
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Originally posted by BabyIrish View PostI really don’t get the Book comparisons or how people are suggesting he has less physical tools.
Book is 6’ (maybe)
Angeli is 6’3 and has a dad taller than that so it’s possible he gets to 6’4.
I think he has stronger arm than Book did when he was a senior.
I have no idea how he pans out. And I have no critique for people wanting to dissect the qb recruiting strategy. But let’s not shit on the kid personally the day of his commitment.
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I'm not an expert by any means but this kid looks like he has the tools to be successful. Ball comes off his hand with ease, he improvises with his eyes downfield(pass first guy), has enough athleticism to hurt you, size isn't an issue as he is within range of many elite quarterbacks, and he wants to be here. With another season under his belt I would be willing to bet his stock rises. He reminds me a little of Jake Fromm out of high school. Hard comparison though because Fromm played with some dudes on offense and was throwing to wide open receivers on the regular.
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you know it's fun to have opinions and different perspective on prospects but we are NOT privy to specific reasons why someone is higher on the board, why an offer hasn't been given or "late" offer but I'll trust they obviously see something with this kid above others they have a legitimate chance with ....it's fun to see some people on here thinking they seem to have a higher football IQ/talent evaluation above someone who's professional career typically depends on it......maybe he ends up being a nobody, but I'll take a big kid,accurate and plays against some of the best in high school footballEMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE
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Originally posted by benneboy View PostBeen mentioned in here a couple of times that Angeli is a game manager which he is not. He's got a big arm and solid athleticism. Everyone sees 3* and assumes that.
he’s a solid guy. I don’t think he has a big arm at all but it’s solid. He does some nice things in film, as I stated before, but I don’t view this as a needle mover. Buchner has the potential to be a needle mover. I don’t see that here. I hope for nothing more than him to prove me wrong.
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
I can only speak for myself but I truly do not care about stars. I watch the film m, workout sessions, 7on7 sessions, etc to get a feel for my opinions of a prospect.
he’s a solid guy. I don’t think he has a big arm at all but it’s solid. He does some nice things in film, as I stated before, but I don’t view this as a needle mover. Buchner has the potential to be a needle mover. I don’t see that here. I hope for nothing more than him to prove me wrong.Love You JB 64.....RIP.....AI720....4EVER
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Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
I can only speak for myself but I truly do not care about stars. I watch the film m, workout sessions, 7on7 sessions, etc to get a feel for my opinions of a prospect.
he’s a solid guy. I don’t think he has a big arm at all but it’s solid. He does some nice things in film, as I stated before, but I don’t view this as a needle mover. Buchner has the potential to be a needle mover. I don’t see that here. I hope for nothing more than him to prove me wrong.
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Originally posted by Irishbounty28 View Post
Angeli isn't a generational arm talent that is for sure, but dude can make every throw in the playbook. Is he going to throw a 40 yard dart while he is parallel to the ground like Mahomes? No. The thing that sticks out to me is he is able to match the route tree with the proper velocity throws. He isn't throwing darts to dig/drag routes, and putting too much air under go route throws. Control is something that some players with big arms have issues with. An example would be Wimbush.Prehistoric
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Originally posted by Irishbounty28 View PostAnother awesome note on this kid...
According to his QB coach he hasn't lost a game as a starter since the fourth grade. That is pretty awesome! I'll take a continuation of that streak for sure.Brotherhood may fade, but it will never run
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Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
no ones requiring a "generational" arm either.
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Originally posted by Irishbounty28 View Post
Angeli isn't a generational arm talent that is for sure, but dude can make every throw in the playbook. Is he going to throw a 40 yard dart while he is parallel to the ground like Mahomes? No. The thing that sticks out to me is he is able to match the route tree with the proper velocity throws. He isn't throwing darts to dig/drag routes, and putting too much air under go route throws. Control is something that some players with big arms have issues with. An example would be Wimbush.
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