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  • Polish Leppy 22
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    Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
    U.S. Employers Added 266,000 Jobs in April as Hiring Slowed

    Unemployment rose to 6.1%; some businesses have struggled to fill openings



    7 million unfilled jobs and 9 million collecting unemployment insurance and being paid to sit at home. US Chamber of Commerce has called to end the supplemental unemployment insurance.

    Inflation is going to have me conducting commerce with dogecoin and lumber before too long.
    My fiance and I went out to eat last weekend and it was not good. Restaurants can't get staffed properly because the government is giving them money to sit at home. Pretty sad.

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  • drayer54
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    U.S. Employers Added 266,000 Jobs in April as Hiring Slowed

    Unemployment rose to 6.1%; some businesses have struggled to fill openings

    U.S. employers added a modest 266,000 jobs in April, far short of the 1 million expected among economists, and unemployment rose to 6.1%.

    The slowdown in hiring signaled a potential loss of economic momentum, at least temporarily, as some businesses struggled to find workers and faced supply-chain issues.


    7 million unfilled jobs and 9 million collecting unemployment insurance and being paid to sit at home. US Chamber of Commerce has called to end the supplemental unemployment insurance.

    Inflation is going to have me conducting commerce with dogecoin and lumber before too long.

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  • NorthDakota
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    Originally posted by PerthDomer View Post

    My guess is Cheney is taking a bet Trump gets more unpopular as time goes on. If he runs again and flubs it could happen. It's probably her best shot of a presidential nomination as small as it is. Collins needs to win in Maine... and Romney just does what he thinks is right. Additionally if there's a state Trump is unpopular in the party it's Utah. Mormons aren't fans of the Donald, and Romney has the name to weather challenges.
    She is being dumb

    She keeps talking when any sensible person would stop and move forward. And she'll never get a presidential nomination. She had her impeachment vote, that gives her the support if anti-Trump types. By constantly jabbering now about the party, she's just going to make people dislike her.

    The current GOP message should be hyping up enthusiasm for 2022. She's getting in the way of that. Idk if the house GOP is gonna remove her or not. But she's kinda asking for it. Hype up the Texas results, not how much you don't like your peers who voted for you to be in the position you are in.

    Elise Stefanik is probably better for the future of the party anyway. Young, pretty blue state Republican.

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by PerthDomer View Post

    My guess is Cheney is taking a bet Trump gets more unpopular as time goes on. If he runs again and flubs it could happen. It's probably her best shot of a presidential nomination as small as it is. Collins needs to win in Maine... and Romney just does what he thinks is right. Additionally if there's a state Trump is unpopular in the party it's Utah. Mormons aren't fans of the Donald, and Romney has the name to weather challenges.
    The Cheney thing is a whole lot of nothing, but the lib media needs someone to attack and to pretend there are big problems with the R's, Cheney has made the mistake of not shutting down the talk over the election and her vote. She has entertained the media and fallen into the trap. You can't lead a caucus when you are getting cut at the knees by the press. Instead of entertaining them on Trump, you say that you are going to do everything you can to oppose the Biden agenda of insane deficit spending, open borders, election fraud, DC statehood, court-packing, and more. It's not that hard. Mitch figured this out.

    Be like Mitch. Elise is an upgrade though.

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  • PerthDomer
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    Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
    The never Trumper got 3% of the vote - two Rs in the runnoff, Dems don't even get on the ballot in a district that Biden may have narrowly won (don't have the source on that).

    And Mittens Romney getting booed with Susan Collins having a hard time comprehending - Cheney going to get bounced. Establishment getting trounced and rightfully so.
    My guess is Cheney is taking a bet Trump gets more unpopular as time goes on. If he runs again and flubs it could happen. It's probably her best shot of a presidential nomination as small as it is. Collins needs to win in Maine... and Romney just does what he thinks is right. Additionally if there's a state Trump is unpopular in the party it's Utah. Mormons aren't fans of the Donald, and Romney has the name to weather challenges.

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  • RDU Irish
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    The never Trumper got 3% of the vote - two Rs in the runnoff, Dems don't even get on the ballot in a district that Biden may have narrowly won (don't have the source on that).

    And Mittens Romney getting booed with Susan Collins having a hard time comprehending - Cheney going to get bounced. Establishment getting trounced and rightfully so.

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  • NorthDakota
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    We will see if it's as indicative as the special elections in 2017 were, but Texas was very good to Republicans this week.

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  • Blazers46
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    Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
    I think I figured out the discrepancy.



    So apparently it is possible that 85% of the people watching approved because only a small amount of liberals were watching. That would carry forward to skewed polling because nobody cared outside of the left-lunging crowd. Maybe we're both right? No?
    I am seeing around 22m viewers on other outlets. But just googling these are the only ratings I could find. Lowest I could find was Clinton/Obama with 31 million each in 2001, 2015, and 2016.

    22 million is sad.

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  • NorthDakota
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    Originally posted by ulukinatme View Post
    Yeah, that CBS 85% approval rate is total garbage. The people polled that watched were only 18% Republican, and the total viewers watching the address were less than a 1/3 of the previous four addresses. Amazing approval numbers among Biden's cheerleaders though!
    Even the Trump approval numbers were juiced. I think it's par for the course...but this one sure looks like a black sheep

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  • ulukinatme
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    Yeah, that CBS 85% approval rate is total garbage. The people polled that watched were only 18% Republican, and the total viewers watching the address were less than a 1/3 of the previous four addresses. Amazing approval numbers among Biden's cheerleaders though!

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  • NorthDakota
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    Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

    When I was in the Navy, at the end of the FY, we'd spend insane money dumping the budget because if we didn't, we'd have less budget next year. TV's, snap-on tools, you name it. September was a shopping month! The real fat in the military is the civilian workforce tied to it. Tons of them are just retired military who finish their careers in support roles. Many of them are pretty light in responsibilities and duties. I've seen it first hand. They could make some serious cuts there if they had the will.
    When I was writing contracts for the Air Force, seemed like 90% of my purchases were year-end purchases. Probably wasn't actually the case but...yeah they spend money like drunken sailors.

    Lol September is annoying as hell. I'd get on the phone with the point of contact and tell them "hey guys I get we got a year end thing here but why couldn't you send this over in June?"

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  • PerthDomer
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    Originally posted by Bishop2b5 View Post
    Former Secretary of State and current National Security Council member John Kerry reportedly discussed classified info on Israeli operations against Syria with Iran's foreign minister.

    According to leaked audio revealedSunday by The New York Times, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said Kerry told him that Israel attacked Iranian assets in Syria “at least 200 times.” Zarif added that he was surprised that Kerry would reveal that sensitive information to him, according to the audio. Kerry denies doing it and the Biden administration says it's not a big deal, claiming the info was widely known.


    GOP tears into Kerry amid Iran controversy - POLITICO

    Kerry faces calls to step down over leaked Iran tapes | TheHill
    Wapo, NYT, WSJ, etc. Have reported on this. Hell. The NYT BROKE the story.

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
    It's just a number on a piece of paper.

    If Biden wants to impress me, I'd like to see him take a butcher knife to the budget. Make all of the agencies look long and hard at their spending. All the way down to the department level at local offices. I'm all for the military, but I can't imagine how many billions could be saved if we looked at the infamous $75 hammers and $1,000 toilets. Cut a chunk of foreign aid. We have obligations, but there's plenty of waste that goes into those programs. Etc., etc.
    When I was in the Navy, at the end of the FY, we'd spend insane money dumping the budget because if we didn't, we'd have less budget next year. TV's, snap-on tools, you name it. September was a shopping month! The real fat in the military is the civilian workforce tied to it. Tons of them are just retired military who finish their careers in support roles. Many of them are pretty light in responsibilities and duties. I've seen it first hand. They could make some serious cuts there if they had the will.

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  • Irish#1
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    It's just a number on a piece of paper.

    If Biden wants to impress me, I'd like to see him take a butcher knife to the budget. Make all of the agencies look long and hard at their spending. All the way down to the department level at local offices. I'm all for the military, but I can't imagine how many billions could be saved if we looked at the infamous $75 hammers and $1,000 toilets. Cut a chunk of foreign aid. We have obligations, but there's plenty of waste that goes into those programs. Etc., etc.
    Last edited by Irish#1; 04-30-2021, 02:03 PM.

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

    Some recent polling on the infrastructure shows better support with the proposals using the typical definition of infrastructure.... and it would cost about $1.5 trillion less than what Grandpa wants. Not that polling really matters much, but you get the gist.
    I doubt he does. The guy would minimize 10T in spending on Biden gifts if that's what he wanted.

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  • NorthDakota
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    Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

    I'm not going to go through the spending as it's been done ad nasuem for you. Unless it says "$500M for paved roads" you would still say ItS NoT inFRaStRucTure.

    Oh, and the capital gains stuff? Yeah, history shows no statically significant relationship to a change in stock market performance when there is a change in rates https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...ambling-2021-4

    I hope our very own IE daily stockwatchers pick up on that lil tidbit before selling their investments and putting it in a sock because big bad socialist (LMAO) Biden is coming for it!
    Some recent polling on the infrastructure shows better support with the proposals using the typical definition of infrastructure.... and it would cost about $1.5 trillion less than what Grandpa wants. Not that polling really matters much, but you get the gist.

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  • TorontoGold
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    Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

    Ohh yeah, folks who think 6T in spending is insane are definitely Billy Bob's from Kansas. We already spent 1.9T for COVID relief, of which ~5% was directly related to fighting the pandemic. He wants 2.25T in infrastructure, of which <10% is actually infrastructure. He also wants another 1.8T in liberal wishlist items. That's 5.95 T of money we don't have and we don't get by taxing rich people more on capital gains. Our debt is higher than the annual GDP. You're right! This is moderate and I must be a Billy Bob. It's reckless and quite radical in reality.
    I'm not going to go through the spending as it's been done ad nasuem for you. Unless it says "$500M for paved roads" you would still say ItS NoT inFRaStRucTure.

    Oh, and the capital gains stuff? Yeah, history shows no statically significant relationship to a change in stock market performance when there is a change in rates https://www.businessinsider.com/capi...ambling-2021-4

    I hope our very own IE daily stockwatchers pick up on that lil tidbit before selling their investments and putting it in a sock because big bad socialist (LMAO) Biden is coming for it!

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

    Honestly, I wish a US president tried out the whole "Nah, nope, ain't spending NUTIN!" Watch the whole place turn into a wasteland while everyone bows down to the corporate overlords to take mercy on them.

    Maybe then Billy Bob in Kansas would have a reason for an insurrection.
    Ohh yeah, folks who think 6T in spending is insane are definitely Billy Bob's from Kansas. We already spent 1.9T for COVID relief, of which ~5% was directly related to fighting the pandemic. He wants 2.25T in infrastructure, of which <10% is actually infrastructure. He also wants another 1.8T in liberal wishlist items. That's 5.95 T of money we don't have and we don't get by taxing rich people more on capital gains. Our debt is higher than the annual GDP. You're right! This is moderate and I must be a Billy Bob. It's reckless and quite radical in reality.

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  • NorthDakota
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    Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

    Honestly, I wish a US president tried out the whole "Nah, nope, ain't spending NUTIN!" Watch the whole place turn into a wasteland while everyone bows down to the corporate overlords to take mercy on them.

    Maybe then Billy Bob in Kansas would have a reason for an insurrection.
    Eh... even if a US president said "no new spending", the Federal budget is pushing $5 trillion.

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  • TorontoGold
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    Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

    haha yeah. that guy thinks someone trying to dump 6 trillion on programs we can't afford is a socialist. Total mush head that guy!
    Honestly, I wish a US president tried out the whole "Nah, nope, ain't spending NUTIN!" Watch the whole place turn into a wasteland while everyone bows down to the corporate overlords to take mercy on them.

    Maybe then Billy Bob in Kansas would have a reason for an insurrection.

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

    Steve Scalise thinks Biden is a socialist, his brain is absolute mush haha. Biden could literally rob a homeless person and Gym Jordan/Lauren Boebert/MTG/Scalise would still think he's a socialist.
    haha yeah. that guy thinks someone trying to dump 6 trillion on programs we can't afford is a socialist. Total mush head that guy!

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  • TorontoGold
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    Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

    I'm sure Steve Scalise thought that was a good line.
    Steve Scalise thinks Biden is a socialist, his brain is absolute mush haha. Biden could literally rob a homeless person and Gym Jordan/Lauren Boebert/MTG/Scalise would still think he's a socialist.

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
    Biden called on the same people who attacked the Republic and insighted an insurrection four months ago to help him protect democracy.

    Maybe he really is losing it.
    I'm sure Steve Scalise thought that was a good line.

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  • Rogue219
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    Biden called on the same people who attacked the Republic and insighted an insurrection four months ago to help him protect democracy.

    Maybe he really is losing it.

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  • drayer54
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    I think I figured out the discrepancy.



    So apparently it is possible that 85% of the people watching approved because only a small amount of liberals were watching. That would carry forward to skewed polling because nobody cared outside of the left-lunging crowd. Maybe we're both right? No?

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  • IrishLax
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post

    holy my sumolians ..... in my best Irish accent..... CBS and NYT are about as LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL as LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL can be.


    are you serious.

    love ya LAX.
    Yes I'm serious? What did I say about YouGov that's wrong?

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

    Holy fuck YouGov is a B+ pollster with a +0.7 Dem lean. If you've got a specific complaint about their sampling or methodology lets hear it. Otherwise it's hard to take this seriously if the complaint boils down to "I don't like mainstream media."

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
    holy my sumolians ..... in my best Irish accent..... CBS and NYT are about as LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL as LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL can be.


    are you serious.

    love ya LAX.

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  • Irish#1
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    Originally posted by Bishop2b5 View Post
    Former Secretary of State and current National Security Council member John Kerry reportedly discussed classified info on Israeli operations against Syria with Iran's foreign minister.

    According to leaked audio revealedSunday by The New York Times, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said Kerry told him that Israel attacked Iranian assets in Syria “at least 200 times.” Zarif added that he was surprised that Kerry would reveal that sensitive information to him, according to the audio. Kerry denies doing it and the Biden administration says it's not a big deal, claiming the info was widely known.


    GOP tears into Kerry amid Iran controversy - POLITICO

    Kerry faces calls to step down over leaked Iran tapes | TheHill
    It can't be that important. There's nothing about this on CNN.com.

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by Bishop2b5 View Post
    Former Secretary of State and current National Security Council member John Kerry reportedly discussed classified info on Israeli operations against Syria with Iran's foreign minister.

    According to leaked audio revealedSunday by The New York Times, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said Kerry told him that Israel attacked Iranian assets in Syria “at least 200 times.” Zarif added that he was surprised that Kerry would reveal that sensitive information to him, according to the audio. Kerry denies doing it and the Biden administration says it's not a big deal, claiming the info was widely known.


    GOP tears into Kerry amid Iran controversy - POLITICO

    Kerry faces calls to step down over leaked Iran tapes | TheHill
    This is why we need journalism and where our current gap of left-wing activists working for CBS, CNN, etc. are hurting the country. Pompeo said that while he was briefing Trump, John Kerry was briefing Tehran. It would need to be General Flynn doing this in order for someone to get to the bottom of it.

    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

    Comical. The poll was not "stacked with leftists".

    First of all, for every SOTU more watchers are from the President's party. For example, in the 2019 Trump SOTU viewership skewed +17 points Republican versus national average (or +72% proportional). Last night the Democrat skew was +74%. So it was typical viewership demographics for this type of address.

    Second, the largest single group was moderates. Only 44% of watchers identified as "very liberal" or "somewhat liberal".

    So you're basically just crying and complaining about a topic you know nothing about and embarrassing yourself.
    Someone is crying and embarrassing themself. If polling the Whole Foods parking lot gets you 85% and you feel good about it. Then feel good about it.

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  • IrishLax
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    Originally posted by Stew654 View Post
    A stunning CBS poll which claimed 85 percent of Americans embraced Joe Biden’s joint address speech last night has turned out to be a fraud, with pollster YouGov surveying just 169 Republicans as part of the broader 943 people polled.


    As usual a poll that is stacked with leftists to "represent" America
    https://thenationalpulse.com/analysi...al-poll-fraud/
    Comical. The poll was not "stacked with leftists".

    First of all, for every SOTU more watchers are from the President's party. For example, in the 2019 Trump SOTU viewership skewed +17 points Republican versus national average (or +72% proportional). Last night the Democrat skew was +74%. So it was typical viewership demographics for this type of address.

    Second, the largest single group was moderates. Only 44% of watchers identified as "very liberal" or "somewhat liberal".

    So you're basically just crying and complaining about a topic you know nothing about and embarrassing yourself.

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  • Stew654
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    A stunning CBS poll which claimed 85 percent of Americans embraced Joe Biden’s joint address speech last night has turned out to be a fraud, with pollster YouGov surveying just 169 Republicans as part of the broader 943 people polled.


    As usual a poll that is stacked with leftists to "represent" America
    https://thenationalpulse.com/analysi...al-poll-fraud/

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  • Bishop2b5
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    Former Secretary of State and current National Security Council member John Kerry reportedly discussed classified info on Israeli operations against Syria with Iran's foreign minister.

    According to leaked audio revealedSunday by The New York Times, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said Kerry told him that Israel attacked Iranian assets in Syria “at least 200 times.” Zarif added that he was surprised that Kerry would reveal that sensitive information to him, according to the audio. Kerry denies doing it and the Biden administration says it's not a big deal, claiming the info was widely known.


    GOP tears into Kerry amid Iran controversy - POLITICO

    Kerry faces calls to step down over leaked Iran tapes | TheHill

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  • NorthDakota
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...-ratings-polls

    Seems like the President's party is the one who watches and gives feedback.

    Whether YouGov is good or not, I'll defer to 538. That stuff goes way over my head. But it's hard to put much stock in the results of a speech that clearly had a partisan audience.

    Trump SOTU in 2019: per CBS 76% approval. CNN poll 59% "very positive" and 35% of Dems approving. Large majority of independent support. That's after 3 years of being a polarizing figure that many people loved or hated and he could still pull good SOTU numbers.

    So I'm not sure Biden's great numbers really tell us much of anything. Guess we'll see how his policies affect people and their opinions.

    Will be funny to see what they do with taxes. Thought I saw something that some of the House Dems would not vote for any tax plan that did not include getting rid of the SALT deduction cap. Not sure that is a winning message.

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  • IrishLax
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    holy cow dipping into this after reading some news.... first of all I didn't watch....

    That said.
    • CBS is left leaning like we all know. They share their polling with NTYs for goodness sake.
    • only 18% of viewers were GOP per CBS's own stats. If you assume CBS bias in polls, and take into account the lean in viewership % and apply it to GOPs (maybe never Trumpers) or independents it's not really surprising.
    • I watched some of the highlights. The call for unity. OMG LMFO. The avoidance of prime issues.................
    • If you post a CBS poll thinking the half the country that voted for Trump is somehow now liking Biden, holy cow. BTW, Trump is a buffoon. Still, you're missing something.
    • Talked to folks pre-evening. Folks were like, what is tonight. Doubt a lot of conservatives tuned in. INDs that tuned in were probably leaning....
    • I'm sure ratings were decent, but it's understandable given left leaners were thirsty. Very thirsty given Biden's approach.


    PS... I love the boards new easiness of bullet points
    Literally no one said the bolded. I'm not sure if there is a misunderstanding of how the SOTU typically polls or what kinds of conclusions should be drawn, but here's how I'd break it down.

    YouGov bias is less than a point towards Democrats. Sampled group was 54% Dem, 44% Liberal. Largest group was self-identified moderates. Of course hardcore MAGA wasn't tuning in. If you don't think 85% approval of a speech where 40%+ of the watchers were Independent/Republican or Moderate/Conservative then there's a disconnect with how these speeches typically poll and how you're interpreting the data. For example, here is similar context from Trump's in 2019:


    That speech had similar skewing, with proportionally more viewers identifying as Republican than do normally (+17 points, +72% proportional... Democrats were +74% proportional last night). Everyone knows and accepts that more people from the President's party will watch their speeches, and in context of other SOTU's 85% is a strong number.

    Finally, saying "first of all I didn't watch" then talking about how he "avoided prime issues"... I dunno man. It all seemed quite on topic with issues most Americans categorize as most important to them. The only person last night who went off topic was Tim Scott who gave a rebuttal focused on critical race theory and other racism tropes that weren't even in Biden's speech. Why? Because these culture war planks are the only things Republicans can win on when they're intentionally being obstructionist on popular policy. Tim Scott wasn't about to get up there and be like "Biden said we're cutting child poverty in half and making drinking water safe by replacing lead pipes... I'm hear to tell you that the Republican party stands for keeping kids poor and your water full of heavy metals." That'd be suicidal.

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  • Cackalacky2.0
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

    YouGov is a reputable, non-partisn pollster that asked basic poll questions... and your response to getting results you don't like is to claim about CBS' liberal bias. What an echo chamber you must live in.

    By the way the numbers breakdown was 54% Democrats watching the speech // being polled so while that juices approval numbers it does not strictly account for overwhelming support.
    No meat... weaponized leftists DOJ... intentionally skewed democratic polls... its like watching Fox News Social media circle jerks regurigiated in real time.

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  • Cackalacky2.0
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    Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post

    It may be super cheap money, but the size of the debt will offset that. We are now looking at "trillion" like we used to look at "billions". Just go ahead and throw another trillion on there. Not much difference between 2 and 3 trillion, right?
    I watched a series of videos on the concept of fiat money and the idea of having a monolpoy on your own currency measn that you can basically do whatever you want as long as all parties who use it agree to its value. Since that is the modus operandi of virtually all coutnries who accept US$ as the global fiat currency these types of concerns mean little to nothing politically anymore.

    DOnt get me wrong... the moment the US$ isnt valued by the wrold anymore is goign to be a massive failure for us but until then....they will continue to print more money and all will be well.

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  • IrishLax
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post

    holy fuck yougov is cbs/nyt.
    Holy fuck YouGov is a B+ pollster with a +0.7 Dem lean. If you've got a specific complaint about their sampling or methodology lets hear it. Otherwise it's hard to take this seriously if the complaint boils down to "I don't like mainstream media."

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
    Last edited by IrishLax; 04-29-2021, 10:05 AM.

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  • Irish YJ
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

    YouGov is a reputable, non-partisn pollster that asked basic poll questions... and your response to getting results you don't like is to claim about CBS' liberal bias. What an echo chamber you must live in.

    By the way the numbers breakdown was 54% Democrats watching the speech // being polled so while that juices approval numbers it does not strictly account for overwhelming support.
    holy fuck yougov is cbs/nyt.

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  • Green Mountains
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    "I think a lot of it is tone/message versus policy/substance, but many of the policy positions he's going for (i.e. universal pre-K, replacing lead pipes, everything about their handling of COVID, the stimulus plan they passed, the American Jobs Plan, the American Family Plan, etc.) all poll 60%+ approval."

    The problem is there are more and more people receiving. Damn, free money is great. I was just in Memphis, try getting an Uber, it's near impossible. I asked one driver what's happening, he said "No one wants to work, it's easier to collect money."

    Of course its popular, its free money without consequence. We know that life is full of consequences. Eventually, you can't spend what you don't have. Why did the Soviet Union implode? Bankruptcy essentially, it ran out of other peoples money. The US if very fortunate that it's still the World's Safe Currency. And no one is investing in China or Russia as Safe Currency. But if that ever changes, watch out.

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  • NorthDakota
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    Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
    holy cow dipping into this after reading some news.... first of all I didn't watch....

    That said.
    • CBS is left leaning like we all know. They share their polling with NTYs for goodness sake.
    • only 18% of viewers were GOP per CBS's own stats. If you assume CBS bias in polls, and take into account the lean in viewership % and apply it to GOPs (maybe never Trumpers) or independents it's not really surprising.
    • I watched some of the highlights. The call for unity. OMG LMFO. The avoidance of prime issues.................
    • If you post a CBS poll thinking the half the country that voted for Trump is somehow now liking Biden, holy cow. BTW, Trump is a buffoon. Still, you're missing something.
    • Talked to folks pre-evening. Folks were like, what is tonight. Doubt a lot of conservatives tuned in. INDs that tuned in were probably leaning....
    • I'm sure ratings were decent, but it's understandable given left leaners were thirsty. Very thirsty given Biden's approach.


    PS... I love the boards new easiness of bullet points
    I didn't watch the speech. These types of speeches are usually boring even when the speaker has charisma, of which Joe has none.

    Seeing libs get Uncle Tom trending was not surprising.

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  • IrishLax
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    Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
    I wonder if the approval isn't as much about Biden's plans, but more about him being significantly more presidential in his actions than DJT?
    I think a lot of it is tone/message versus policy/substance, but many of the policy positions he's going for (i.e. universal pre-K, replacing lead pipes, everything about their handling of COVID, the stimulus plan they passed, the American Jobs Plan, the American Family Plan, etc.) all poll 60%+ approval. Taken together, here's how speech watchers viewed the policy plans:


    When only 44% of watchers identified as Very Liberal or Somewhat Liberal those are good numbers.

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  • Trait Expectations
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    Originally posted by Green Mountains View Post
    Millions / Billions / Trillions - it's just a couple zeros.

    There are 11.5 days in 1 million seconds; there are 31.7 years in one billion seconds; there are 31,688 years in one trillion seconds. Yeah, it's a big deal.

    Super Cheap Money - doesn't last forever. The 30 year treasury yield is 2.3%. It was 15.2% in 1981. Historically, it's in the 6% range. Realistically, our interest cost are likely to triple when rates go back to more traditional levels. Interest is currently 5.3% of the budget. If it triples, that becomes 16%. And if we get into 1981 inflation, we talking about 30% of the budget.
    It's capitalism. BIGGER. MORE. It's a flawed system that I haven't found a full replacement for.

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  • Green Mountains
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    Millions / Billions / Trillions - it's just a couple zeros.

    There are 11.5 days in 1 million seconds; there are 31.7 years in one billion seconds; there are 31,688 years in one trillion seconds. Yeah, it's a big deal.

    Super Cheap Money - doesn't last forever. The 30 year treasury yield is 2.3%. It was 15.2% in 1981. Historically, it's in the 6% range. Realistically, our interest cost are likely to triple when rates go back to more traditional levels. Interest is currently 5.3% of the budget. If it triples, that becomes 16%. And if we get into 1981 inflation, we talking about 30% of the budget.

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  • IrishLax
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    Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

    Not sure what skews further left- this post or CBS. I’m willing to bet most conservatives watched Netflix or did something else. Getting lied to by a geezer about spending and my liberties not being absolute is not my idea of a good evening. I do wonder if Biden views the 13th Amendment as absolute? Perhaps candidates should have to put a yes or no next to amendments that they respect going forward?
    YouGov is a reputable, non-partisn pollster that asked basic poll questions... and your response to getting results you don't like is to claim about CBS' liberal bias. What an echo chamber you must live in.

    By the way the numbers breakdown was 54% Democrats watching the speech // being polled so while that juices approval numbers it does not strictly account for overwhelming support.

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  • Irish#1
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    Originally posted by ResLife Hero View Post

    Big spending is definitely in the plan, but 2 things to keep in mind: 1) with interest rates, it's SUPER cheap money. Like, the best possible conditions imaginable to kick off large capital endeavors 2) It's his style historically to put something out there that everyone can score wins against and still survive. The final bill/law won't look anything like what's out there now, and that's probably intentional.
    It may be super cheap money, but the size of the debt will offset that. We are now looking at "trillion" like we used to look at "billions". Just go ahead and throw another trillion on there. Not much difference between 2 and 3 trillion, right?

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  • Irish#1
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
    Biden said a bunch of normal shit, and a couple things that are reasonably far to the left. Most of the initiatives Biden put forward should be bipartisan because they poll at 60%+ support. But the GOP is incredibly invested in painting him as "radical" and "socialist" and other scare words so they don't dare acknowledge that.

    This is what America sees:


    But Tim Scott went up there in his "response" and talked about a bunch of things that either 1) weren't in the speech or 2) where Scott had to straight up lie. No different then when earlier this week GOP leaders made up the "BiDeN iS cOmInG fOr YoUr HaMbUrGeRs" story and the lie about the government buying copies of Kamala's book for illegal immigrants. Just a wild strategy. It seems like putting out a platform that says "this is where we can work with Biden" with specific policy initiatives so that HE has to be the one to say no would be a lot smarter than being obstructionist on popular policies while simultaneously trying to convince people that the other side is the one that doesn't want to work together.


    I wonder if the approval isn't as much about Biden's plans, but more about him being significantly more presidential in his actions than DJT?

    Has nothing to do with what Biden said, but I had to laugh when I saw Harris and Pelosi jump to the feet like a couple of jack in the boxes. It was almost like they were hovering over their seats trying to beat the other in standing up.

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  • drayer54
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
    Biden said a bunch of normal shit, and a couple things that are reasonably far to the left. Most of the initiatives Biden put forward should be bipartisan because they poll at 60%+ support. But the GOP is incredibly invested in painting him as "radical" and "socialist" and other scare words so they don't dare acknowledge that.

    This is what America sees:


    But Tim Scott went up there in his "response" and talked about a bunch of things that either 1) weren't in the speech or 2) where Scott had to straight up lie. No different then when earlier this week GOP leaders made up the "BiDeN iS cOmInG fOr YoUr HaMbUrGeRs" story and the lie about the government buying copies of Kamala's book for illegal immigrants. Just a wild strategy. It seems like putting out a platform that says "this is where we can work with Biden" with specific policy initiatives so that HE has to be the one to say no would be a lot smarter than being obstructionist on popular policies while simultaneously trying to convince people that the other side is the one that doesn't want to work together.
    Not sure what skews further left- this post or CBS. I’m willing to bet most conservatives watched Netflix or did something else. Getting lied to by a geezer about spending and my liberties not being absolute is not my idea of a good evening. I do wonder if Biden views the 13th Amendment as absolute? Perhaps candidates should have to put a yes or no next to amendments that they respect going forward?

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  • Irish YJ
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    holy cow dipping into this after reading some news.... first of all I didn't watch....

    That said.
    • CBS is left leaning like we all know. They share their polling with NTYs for goodness sake.
    • only 18% of viewers were GOP per CBS's own stats. If you assume CBS bias in polls, and take into account the lean in viewership % and apply it to GOPs (maybe never Trumpers) or independents it's not really surprising.
    • I watched some of the highlights. The call for unity. OMG LMFO. The avoidance of prime issues.................
    • If you post a CBS poll thinking the half the country that voted for Trump is somehow now liking Biden, holy cow. BTW, Trump is a buffoon. Still, you're missing something.
    • Talked to folks pre-evening. Folks were like, what is tonight. Doubt a lot of conservatives tuned in. INDs that tuned in were probably leaning....
    • I'm sure ratings were decent, but it's understandable given left leaners were thirsty. Very thirsty given Biden's approach.


    PS... I love the boards new easiness of bullet points

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  • Cackalacky2.0
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

    That's literally the joke.
    Lol they all missed it.

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  • Blazers46
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    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
    Biden said a bunch of normal shit, and a couple things that are reasonably far to the left. Most of the initiatives Biden put forward should be bipartisan because they poll at 60%+ support. But the GOP is incredibly invested in painting him as "radical" and "socialist" and other scare words so they don't dare acknowledge that.

    This is what America sees:


    But Tim Scott went up there in his "response" and talked about a bunch of things that either 1) weren't in the speech or 2) where Scott had to straight up lie. No different then when earlier this week GOP leaders made up the "BiDeN iS cOmInG fOr YoUr HaMbUrGeRs" story and the lie about the government buying copies of Kamala's book for illegal immigrants. Just a wild strategy. It seems like putting out a platform that says "this is where we can work with Biden" with specific policy initiatives so that HE has to be the one to say no would be a lot smarter than being obstructionist on popular policies while simultaneously trying to convince people that the other side is the one that doesn't want to work together.
    I’m more curious how many people even turned it on. I tried watching Braves/Cubs, tried watching basketball, then I just decided to catch up on house stuff. I’m sure it was all peaches and rainbows in the view of the left and just the opposite from the right.

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