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  • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
    I think we are all forgetting he was only on the podium with other "potential" presidential nominees because he was gay. South Bend is the same shit hole its always been. What was he running on besides being known as the gay mayor?
    He had a small following that liked how he mimicked Obama youtube videos. I don't understand the appeal, but some people apparently did like him. This kind of people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhUq-pEfjvA
    Running the damn ball since 2017.

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    • Pete's actually a pick transportation nerds like. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blo...e-mass-transit

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      • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
        Who with better qualifications would you have hired? If it's just about placating those darn radicals, surely there's better options.
        She could very well be the most qualified.

        It was no secret with Biden the #1 qualification for VP was "women". Mix that in with the not so subtle and constant reminders of the Biden's all-female senior communications team. Sprinkle in a gay here, a trans here, a Native American... I think its safe to say having a "historically oppressed" demographic on the resume adds a point or two, similar to some college admissions systems. They will become a campaign prop once the old white man dies off and Kamala starts here 2024 campaign.

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        • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
          She could very well be the most qualified.

          It was no secret with Biden the #1 qualification for VP was "women". Mix that in with the not so subtle and constant reminders of the Biden's all-female senior communications team. Sprinkle in a gay here, a trans here, a Native American... I think its safe to say having a "historically oppressed" demographic on the resume adds a point or two, similar to some college admissions systems. They will become a campaign prop once the old white man dies off and Kamala starts here 2024 campaign.
          your point is redundant, Biden picking to Harris is akin to Trump picking the whitest, most anti gay bible basher he could find in Pence to satisfy the evangelicals in the GOP
          What did Davonte do?

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          • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
            your point is redundant, Biden picking to Harris is akin to Trump picking the whitest, most anti gay bible basher he could find in Pence to satisfy the evangelicals in the GOP
            Yes, both sides do it.

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            • All great discourse here. Mayor Pete speaks 37 languages, is white and gay, a veteran, mayor of a midwestern Rust Belt town. Something for everyone.

              In other news, can someone tell me what the fuck Merrick Garland ever did to Mitch McConnell that he's never allowed to get confirmed for anything? I'm starting to think McConnell is just a real dickhead.

              #Unity
              It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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              • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                your point is redundant, Biden picking to Harris is akin to Trump picking the whitest, most anti gay bible basher he could find in Pence to satisfy the evangelicals in the GOP
                And that makes it okay... got it. Why even have a discussion when everything is lazily retorted with "well the other side"?

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                • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                  Yes, both sides do it.
                  It's almost like "balancing the ticket" is an age-old equation.

                  Biden was picked because his reputation as "experienced uber-moderate Senator with foreign policy chops" paired well with "new kid in town."

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                  • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                    All great discourse here. Mayor Pete speaks 37 languages, is white and gay, a veteran, mayor of a midwestern Rust Belt town. Something for everyone.

                    In other news, can someone tell me what the fuck Merrick Garland ever did to Mitch McConnell that he's never allowed to get confirmed for anything? I'm starting to think McConnell is just a real dickhead.

                    #Unity
                    Really McConnell did Merrick a favor. He wasn't getting confirmed so why have him go through that godawful process?
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                    • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                      All great discourse here. Mayor Pete speaks 37 languages, is white and gay, a veteran, mayor of a midwestern Rust Belt town. Something for everyone.

                      In other news, can someone tell me what the fuck Merrick Garland ever did to Mitch McConnell that he's never allowed to get confirmed for anything? I'm starting to think McConnell is just a real dickhead.

                      #Unity
                      I'm yet to see anything I like in Pete. He's clung to court-packing, filibuster ending, electoral college ending, and state packing. Not a real unity plan.


                      Merrick Garland will be heard next Monday...
                      Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                      • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                        I'm yet to see anything I like in Pete. He's clung to court-packing, filibuster ending, electoral college ending, and state packing. Not a real unity plan.


                        Merrick Garland will be heard next Monday...
                        Yeah, but does Joe Manchin like them?
                        It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                        • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                          Who with better qualifications would you have hired? If it's just about placating those darn radicals, surely there's better options.
                          Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                          Any straight white male is automatically more qualified than anyone not a white male or is a gay or transgendered. Didn’t you get the white male memo?

                          This is why white people are so damn angry and why Trump was elected and was allowed to run amok. It’s why Kneeling during the national anthem is terrible but insurrection is cool. White people have feelings too especially white males and they aren’t being heard.

                          I mean Biden put an immigrant...... a immigrant to head up DHS. A gay Transportation Secretary. The only traffic that guy knows about is what travels up his ass. Amirite?



                          Fucking hell lolololl
                          Man you guys are way too sensitive and read whatever you want into any comment. I've posted before that I've hired pretty much all sexualities except a trans and have three women on staff now. I've had Hispanics, blacks, Ukranians and Jews that I've hired. I have no issue with someone's sexuality being different than the norm and I didn't say they weren't qualified.

                          If you think they were hired strictly on their qualifications, you're as narrow minded as you claim the Trump supporters are.

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                          • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                            Man you guys are way too sensitive and read whatever you want into any comment. I've posted before that I've hired pretty much all sexualities except a trans and have three women on staff now. I've had Hispanics, blacks, Ukranians and Jews that I've hired. I have no issue with someone's sexuality being different than the norm and I didn't say they weren't qualified.

                            If you think they were hired strictly on their qualifications, you're as narrow minded as you claim the Trump supporters are.
                            Lmao when you lead with their sexuality, you make it about their sexuality. Like, it isn't Lefties playing "Identity politics". Or how this is all some big ploy to appease those darn progressives. Look at ab2miller, very capable of making criticisms of Pete without crying that Biden's picks are somehow bad because they're gay or trans.

                            The adage "I have a black friend...." doesn't absolve someone of their outdated beliefs.

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                            • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                              Lmao when you lead with their sexuality, you make it about their sexuality. Like, it isn't Lefties playing "Identity politics". Or how this is all some big ploy to appease those darn progressives. Look at ab2miller, very capable of making criticisms of Pete without crying that Biden's picks are somehow bad because they're gay or trans.

                              The adage "I have a black friend...." doesn't absolve someone of their outdated beliefs.
                              I appreciate that you think I'm trying to be fair in my critique of both Democrats and Republicans. I've already stated my belief on why Pete got the job.

                              However, it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility that part of the reason that Levine got the job was because she is transgender. That doesn't mean she will do a bad job or that she's not qualified. As someone else already said, it wasn't the only reason she got the job, but there is a distinct possibility of it being a factor (i.e bonus points that may have tilted the decision).

                              Again, unfortunately, this is politics as we know it. Both sides do it. It's a way of appeasing their base and rewarding constituencies. Sometimes it works out and they are the best person for the job and other times it doesn't. Only time will tell.

                              Hopefully you and others can admit that there is the possibility that it played a factor.

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                              • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                Yeah, but does Joe Manchin like them?
                                I'll pray for his safety and well being until Cocaine Mitch restores order in 2023
                                Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                  Lmao when you lead with their sexuality, you make it about their sexuality. Like, it isn't Lefties playing "Identity politics". Or how this is all some big ploy to appease those darn progressives. Look at ab2miller, very capable of making criticisms of Pete without crying that Biden's picks are somehow bad because they're gay or trans.

                                  The adage "I have a black friend...." doesn't absolve someone of their outdated beliefs.
                                  Nice try in flipping it back on me, but it’s a swing and a miss. No where did I say any of these appointments weren’t qualified or it was a big ploy. As AB2C said much better than I could articulate, there were bonus points to be scored.

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                                  • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                    I appreciate that you think I'm trying to be fair in my critique of both Democrats and Republicans. I've already stated my belief on why Pete got the job.

                                    However, it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility that part of the reason that Levine got the job was because she is transgender. That doesn't mean she will do a bad job or that she's not qualified. As someone else already said, it wasn't the only reason she got the job, but there is a distinct possibility of it being a factor (i.e bonus points that may have tilted the decision).

                                    Again, unfortunately, this is politics as we know it. Both sides do it. It's a way of appeasing their base and rewarding constituencies. Sometimes it works out and they are the best person for the job and other times it doesn't. Only time will tell.

                                    Hopefully you and others can admit that there is the possibility that it played a factor.
                                    Good post.

                                    Style over substance. The majority of Canadians are all too familiar how that plays out.

                                    Cheers and Go Irish!!

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                                    • I just think it's cute that people are playing up the qualified arguments. These people are political appointees FFS, what did you expect? It's not like they are trying to put some desk jockey into the judiciary. Was Pete getting this gig any different Ben Carson getting HUD?

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                                      • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                        So the binder of women, minorities, and trannies comment?



                                        You're dodging the question about Levine - what don't you like about her qualifications that makes her unqualified?
                                        Makes perfect sense for Levine to be the secretary of health tbh.

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                                        • Originally posted by Ndaccountant View Post
                                          I just think it's cute that people are playing up the qualified arguments. These people are political appointees FFS, what did you expect? It's not like they are trying to put some desk jockey into the judiciary. Was Pete getting this gig any different Ben Carson getting HUD?
                                          Gay is sort of the new black...

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                                          • Appears AOC may have gotten herself in a Jussie...
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                                            • Originally posted by Wild Bill View Post
                                              Makes perfect sense for Levine to be the secretary of health tbh.
                                              I agree

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                                              • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                I'll pray for his safety and well being until Cocaine Mitch restores order in 2023
                                                They'll blow the dust off of a few bills sitting on his Cocaine desk in the meantime.
                                                It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                                  They'll blow the dust off of a few bills sitting on his Cocaine desk in the meantime.
                                                  Looks like they're going to build more cages for immigrant kids that the media can ignore. That must be the priority. I wouldn't be surprised if we get an EO proclaiming the Cannon Building as 'being in the shit' on 1/6.
                                                  Nothing but the good stuff from these people.
                                                  Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                  • Biden administration to house migrant teens at overflow facility in Texas closed under Trump
                                                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mp/4378699001/

                                                    When Joe Biden said we're going to build back better, he apparently meant building better cages for immigrant kids.

                                                    I am old enough to remember when we were supposed to collectively lose our minds over this and libs all put the families belong together cover to their Facebook profiles.
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                                                    • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                      Biden administration to house migrant teens at overflow facility in Texas closed under Trump
                                                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mp/4378699001/

                                                      When Joe Biden said we're going to build back better, he apparently meant building better cages for immigrant kids.

                                                      I am old enough to remember when we were supposed to collectively lose our minds over this and libs all put the families belong together cover to their Facebook profiles.
                                                      lmao..this is absolutely beautiful.

                                                      President Biden owns. He's crushing illegal kids even harder than The Donald!
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                                                      • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                        Biden administration to house migrant teens at overflow facility in Texas closed under Trump
                                                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mp/4378699001/

                                                        When Joe Biden said we're going to build back better, he apparently meant building better cages for immigrant kids.

                                                        I am old enough to remember when we were supposed to collectively lose our minds over this and libs all put the families belong together cover to their Facebook profiles.
                                                        Because closing the immigrant resort was racist

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                                                        • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                          lmao..this is absolutely beautiful.

                                                          President Biden owns. He's crushing illegal kids even harder than The Donald!
                                                          I am not a border expert and I gather the challenge is hard. I don't cheer for children in a tragic life dealing with these facilities, however, I also realize there is a basis for what DHS does.

                                                          But this does do wonders to point out the baseless claims, virtue signaling, and grand hypocrisy of the Democrats, Media (who are also Dems), and every angry soccer mom with fake outrage and a Families Belong Together profile frame.
                                                          Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                          • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                            I am not a border expert and I gather the challenge is hard. I don't cheer for children in a tragic life dealing with these facilities, however, I also realize there is a basis for what DHS does.

                                                            But this does do wonders to point out the baseless claims, virtue signaling, and grand hypocrisy of the Democrats, Media (who are also Dems), and every angry soccer mom with fake outrage and a Families Belong Together profile frame.
                                                            I am no expert either but I do live in a border town. I know a lot of border agents and a lot of people that deal with border issues. A lot of the minors that come across come "unaccompanied" because a lot of them are either homeless with essentially no parents or they are leaving their parents home to try and stay with relatives on this side of the border. One of the problems with unaccompanied minors is verifying who they are for starters, contacting parents (which is sometime impossible) and/or verifying where they are going is safe. Imagine if DHS sent a minor to some (Liberal trigger warning) sex trafficker, which happens frequently enough to be a problem.

                                                            There are def flaws in the system. A lot of the kids that "get lost" are minors that have no plans on being being found and are "lost" on purpose. If dad is her illegally and the minor crosses the border they are sometimes placed with a "sponsor" if they can find one. A sponsor is usually a family member and once they get to the sponsor they leave and go live with Dad. When DHS goes and checks on the minor and the minor is not there with the sponsor they are considered "lost". Mainly because the sponsor "doesn't know" where the kid is and the dad and minor doesn't want to be found. Sometimes they cannot even locate the sponsor if they move. A lot of these holding facilities are supposed to be very temporary but DHS has to do their due dillegence and that takes time.

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                                                            • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                              Appears AOC may have gotten herself in a Jussie...
                                                              She ended up being the #1 trending story on Twitter. Looks like her heart-wrenching story was grossly exaggerated in the best light, or a straight up fabrication.
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                                                              • AOSmollett may not have been precisely, factually, semantically correct with her version of what happened during the riot, but she was morally correct in making up a story about it.
                                                                Winners see success and want to climb up to its level. Losers see success and want to drag it down to their own.

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                                                                • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                  Biden administration to house migrant teens at overflow facility in Texas closed under Trump
                                                                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mp/4378699001/

                                                                  When Joe Biden said we're going to build back better, he apparently meant building better cages for immigrant kids.

                                                                  I am old enough to remember when we were supposed to collectively lose our minds over this and libs all put the families belong together cover to their Facebook profiles.
                                                                  Not taking credit at all, but I posted the same article yesterday in the Trump thread as a continuation on my back and forth with GoIrish41's claim that "Trump built internment camps."

                                                                  My post ended with asking him what his level of outrage was about this Biden news and...crickets more than a day later.

                                                                  When Trump was in office, he was a racist president tearing children from mothers and putting them in cages.

                                                                  When Biden does it, it's called an "overflow facility." If you can't laugh at it, it will drive you nuts.
                                                                  The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                                                  • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                    Not taking credit at all, but I posted the same article yesterday in the Trump thread as a continuation on my back and forth with GoIrish41's claim that "Trump built internment camps."

                                                                    My post ended with asking him what his level of outrage was about this Biden news and...crickets more than a day later.

                                                                    When Trump was in office, he was a racist president tearing children from mothers and putting them in cages.

                                                                    When Biden does it, it's called an "overflow facility." If you can't laugh at it, it will drive you nuts.
                                                                    Didn't catch it, but remember the heated rhetoric aimed at Trump over this and the profile pic frames. It's absolutely insane the level of hypocrisy and virtue signaling on this one.
                                                                    Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                                    • The fact that the dumbest posters amongst us are the most up in arms makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Thank you, President Biden.

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                                                                      • Originally posted by SonofOahu View Post
                                                                        The fact that the dumbest posters amongst us are the most up in arms makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Thank you, President Biden.
                                                                        Why are you up in arms?
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                                                                        • Originally posted by SonofOahu View Post
                                                                          The fact that the dumbest posters amongst us are the most up in arms makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Thank you, President Biden.
                                                                          From what I've seen, is they're actually closeted progressives. They're not happy with those damn camps still being a thing, not big fans of some of the cabinet picks, and don't like seeing family members getting kick backs for being related to the prez. I am glad to see Politico is now being posted again, guess it's no longer just a super commie liberal biased rag that everyone is supposed to not trust?

                                                                          Welcome to the #YangGang #FeelTheBern comrades!

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                                                                          • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                            Not taking credit at all, but I posted the same article yesterday in the Trump thread as a continuation on my back and forth with GoIrish41's claim that "Trump built internment camps."

                                                                            My post ended with asking him what his level of outrage was about this Biden news and...crickets more than a day later.

                                                                            When Trump was in office, he was a racist president tearing children from mothers and putting them in cages.

                                                                            When Biden does it, it's called an "overflow facility." If you can't laugh at it, it will drive you nuts.
                                                                            Did you even read the article?

                                                                            This is for unaccompanied children.

                                                                            The moral outrage against the Trump administration was the intentional lack of care and specifically the misery they were inflicting on families in a gross, and in my opinion unjustifiable, effort to discourage immigration.

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                                                                            • Unaccompanied children come to our border every day, so this isn't different than what happened under Trump or Obama.

                                                                              Are we to assume now with Trump out of office and Biden in, thousands of migrants in "overflow facilities" (not camps or detention centers) will be treated like royalty in facilities similar to a 4 star hotel?

                                                                              Does anyone ever ask whether any country in the world has the infrastructure/ finances/ staffing to bring in thousands of migrants on a daily basis? What would Canada do if 10,000 American migrants showed up at the border requesting shelter, food, clothing, and healthcare?

                                                                              Open border + welfare state = collapse.

                                                                              All that is before we get to the Covid issue which is another wild card thrown in the mix here.
                                                                              The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                                                              • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                                From what I've seen, is they're actually closeted progressives. They're not happy with those damn camps still being a thing, not big fans of some of the cabinet picks, and don't like seeing family members getting kick backs for being related to the prez. I am glad to see Politico is now being posted again, guess it's no longer just a super commie liberal biased rag that everyone is supposed to not trust?

                                                                                Welcome to the #YangGang #FeelTheBern comrades!
                                                                                While I'm not bound to or lying in the pure ideological corner of my preferred side and reserve the right to disagree with them- I'm mainly here for the hypocrisy and policy failures of Joe Biden. So far he is delivering ahead of schedule.
                                                                                Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                                  Unaccompanied children come to our border every day, so this isn't different than what happened under Trump or Obama.

                                                                                  Are we to assume now with Trump out of office and Biden in, thousands of migrants in "overflow facilities" (not camps or detention centers) will be treated like royalty in facilities similar to a 4 star hotel?

                                                                                  Does anyone ever ask whether any country in the world has the infrastructure/ finances/ staffing to bring in thousands of migrants on a daily basis? What would Canada do if 10,000 American migrants showed up at the border requesting shelter, food, clothing, and healthcare?

                                                                                  Open border + welfare state = collapse.

                                                                                  All that is before we get to the Covid issue which is another wild card thrown in the mix here.
                                                                                  America has relied on immigrant workers from south of the border for 100 years. I think I remember BB did a great post a few years back on this. There have been tons of studies showing it is intentional and necessary to have Low wage earning immigrants do the terribly back breaking work no American will do. These people feed billions of people all over the world and they contribute to many types of usage taxes to local and state entities. Their children ARE citizens and they get the benefit of being a citizen AFAIAC

                                                                                  In June, I interviewed John Rosenow, a Wisconsin dairy farmer who has relied on Mexican immigrants for years. “Our industry doesn’t exist without immigrant labor,” he told me. “Eighty percent of the milk in Wisconsin is harvested by immigrants. If you took the immigrants away, way over half of the farms would go out of business.” Wisconsin’s dairy industry is not alone in its dependence on immigrant labor. Indeed, almost 20 percent of food processing workers and more than 36 percent of agricultural workers are undocumented. The health-care industry relies heavily on immigrants as well, as do the country’s construction and service businesses.
                                                                                  Further we aren’t being overwhelmed with immigration it’s actually pretty static overall. Plus if you look at what they actually receive in “welfare” they receive far less than TRUE American citizens.
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                                                                                  • Love when folks come as anti immigrat workers AND against raising the minimum wage.
                                                                                    What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                                      While I'm not bound to or lying in the pure ideological corner of my preferred side and reserve the right to disagree with them- I'm mainly here for the hypocrisy and policy failures of Joe Biden. So far he is delivering ahead of schedule.
                                                                                      Can't wait for $5 gas - northerners gonna love heating their homes at 3x the price and brownouts in south when its cloudy and windless. Oh the joys of "progress". At least the poor can look at their $15 minimum wage until their entry level jobs get automated.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                                        Can't wait for $5 gas - northerners gonna love heating their homes at 3x the price and brownouts in south when its cloudy and windless. Oh the joys of "progress". At least the poor can look at their $15 minimum wage until their entry level jobs get automated.
                                                                                        The minimum wage scares me. And I wish people would look at at this way. Our minimum got bumped up to 10.50 this year. Instead of crying about it we flipped how we thought about employees. Instead of 8 employees at $10.50 we have only 3 employees at $14. They do fantastic. We ask a little more of them, therefore we pay more. If the federal minimum went to $15 we would be back where we started with “do the minimum” minimum wage employees again. It’s been glorious with just 3 staff. Sure I “work” a little more but so what. In order to get better employees would I have to pay $18 or $19? That’s insane for retail and I’d probably go down to 2 employees.

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                          Love when folks come as anti immigrat workers AND against raising the minimum wage.
                                                                                          You are allowed to dish out work visas instead of citizenship you know. Nice little grey area that is completely ignored by Dems. Never a push to open that up, always a citizenship push. Tall wall with a big door. Trump pushed Rs in the right direction on immigration if you put your TDS glasses down for a second. You have to control your borders and can't reward illegal behavior.

                                                                                          Rs are traditionally scared to go near the subject and have never even tried to address the clusterfvck that is US immigration policy. It is source of immense frustration amongst many who are forced to vote for them because the alternative is worse. Anything they say on the subject is lip service, they don't have the balls to actually vote for any real action on immigration.

                                                                                          1) control borders, this is and always will be step one that all others become irrelevant if not accomplished
                                                                                          2) resident status for current illegals - citizen path for some, not all
                                                                                          3) pass out visas like candy - very easy to enter to work
                                                                                          4) Fix anchor baby stupidity
                                                                                          5) Increase citizenship intake, unfvck that process making it less expensive and more efficient so people have faith in the process

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                                            Unaccompanied children come to our border every day, so this isn't different than what happened under Trump or Obama.
                                                                                            I don't think anyone is saying that. You are the one saying the Biden Administration is being hypocritical...but all that's happening here is that you're being intentionally ignorant of the fact that people were upset with the way the Trump Administration handled illegal immigrants/asylum seekers.

                                                                                            Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                                            Are we to assume now with Trump out of office and Biden in, thousands of migrants in "overflow facilities" (not camps or detention centers) will be treated like royalty in facilities similar to a 4 star hotel?
                                                                                            Yeah man, because it's either sleeping on dirt or a Hilton.

                                                                                            You could be an AM Radio producer with the way you frame this stuff.

                                                                                            Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                                            Does anyone ever ask whether any country in the world has the infrastructure/ finances/ staffing to bring in thousands of migrants on a daily basis? What would Canada do if 10,000 American migrants showed up at the border requesting shelter, food, clothing, and healthcare?
                                                                                            Does anyone in your world ask to hear economists' views on the complicated pros and cons of immigration?

                                                                                            Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                                            Open border + welfare state = collapse.
                                                                                            1) We don't have an "open border," save that for your AM Radio show.
                                                                                            2) We don't have a "welfare state" either.
                                                                                            3) Economists really aren't on board with the "collapse" scare tactic. I'd argue common sense isn't either.

                                                                                            Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                                            All that is before we get to the Covid issue which is another wild card thrown in the mix here.
                                                                                            Which if you read the article you'd see that COVID-19 is the reason they needed to open the additional space so people could space out.

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                                                                                            • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                                              You are allowed to dish out work visas instead of citizenship you know. Nice little grey area that is completely ignored by Dems. Never a push to open that up, always a citizenship push. Tall wall with a big door. Trump pushed Rs in the right direction on immigration if you put your TDS glasses down for a second. You have to control your borders and can't reward illegal behavior.

                                                                                              Rs are traditionally scared to go near the subject and have never even tried to address the clusterfvck that is US immigration policy. It is source of immense frustration amongst many who are forced to vote for them because the alternative is worse. Anything they say on the subject is lip service, they don't have the balls to actually vote for any real action on immigration.

                                                                                              1) control borders, this is and always will be step one that all others become irrelevant if not accomplished
                                                                                              2) resident status for current illegals - citizen path for some, not all
                                                                                              3) pass out visas like candy - very easy to enter to work
                                                                                              4) Fix anchor baby stupidity
                                                                                              5) Increase citizenship intake, unfvck that process making it less expensive and more efficient so people have faith in the process
                                                                                              WRONG.

                                                                                              The US has a per-country work visa limit, 7% of green cards from any one country. It's been that way since the mid-1960s.

                                                                                              Two US senators, one Republican and the other Democrat, have a plan to reduce green card waiting time which in the case of Indians may stretch to a mind-boggling 195 years thanks to country caps.

                                                                                              Under the current rules, there is an annual per country green card cap of 7% for all nations big or small, from the tiny Nepal to India with a population of 1.35 billion, leading to a huge backlog for Indians.

                                                                                              Senate Democratic whip Dick Durbin and Republican senator Mike Lee want to change that by tweaking the Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act (S.386) passed by the House in July last year to eliminate the cap on permanent residency permits.
                                                                                              https://www.americanbazaaronline.com...-cards-441854/

                                                                                              That's literally the biggest problem with US immigration and I've explained it about 900 times on IE over the last decade.

                                                                                              Prospective work-visa immigrants from large countries have an abnormally long visa line due to this per-country quota. An applicant from, say, San Marino, has 100000x easier path to a work visa than an applicant from Mexico or India.

                                                                                              Now if I'd put my conspiracy hat on I'd guess that Caesar Chavez' efforts to organize migrant labor in he 1960s directly lead to corporations concocting a strategy to make it harder if not impossible for Mexican labor to enter the country legally....therefore making them illegal immigrants and unable to officially organize for better wages and working conditions. Follow the money.

                                                                                              This is now the 901st time I've laid this out on IE.

                                                                                              Never a push to open that up
                                                                                              From December...

                                                                                              https://www.businesstoday.in/current...ry/423873.html

                                                                                              The US Senate has unanimously passed a bill that eliminates the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrant visas and raises it for family-based visas, a legislation that will hugely benefit hundreds of thousands of Indian professionals in America who have been waiting for years to get their green cards.
                                                                                              Last edited by BilboBaggins; 02-05-2021, 10:35 AM.

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                                                                The minimum wage scares me. And I wish people would look at at this way. Our minimum got bumped up to 10.50 this year. Instead of crying about it we flipped how we thought about employees. Instead of 8 employees at $10.50 we have only 3 employees at $14. They do fantastic. We ask a little more of them, therefore we pay more. If the federal minimum went to $15 we would be back where we started with “do the minimum” minimum wage employees again. It’s been glorious with just 3 staff. Sure I “work” a little more but so what. In order to get better employees would I have to pay $18 or $19? That’s insane for retail and I’d probably go down to 2 employees.
                                                                                                Two people working 60 hours a week would be a minimum six figure household. That is insane. Minimum wage proponents make my head hurt.

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
                                                                                                  WRONG.

                                                                                                  The US has a per-country work visa limit, 7% of green cards from any one country. It's been that way since the mid-1960s.



                                                                                                  https://www.americanbazaaronline.com...-cards-441854/

                                                                                                  That's literally the biggest problem with US immigration and I've explained it about 900 times on IE over the last decade.

                                                                                                  Prospective work-visa immigrants from large countries have an abnormally long visa line due to this per-country quota. An applicant from, say, San Marino, has 100000x easier path to a work visa than an applicant from Mexico or India.

                                                                                                  Now if I'd put my conspiracy hat on I'd guess that Caesar Chavez' efforts to organize migrant labor in he 1960s directly lead to corporations concocting a strategy to make it harder if not impossible for Mexican labor to enter the country legally....therefore making them illegal immigrants and unable to officially organize for better wages and working conditions. Follow the money.

                                                                                                  This is not the 901st time I've laid this out on IE.

                                                                                                  And you admit you

                                                                                                  From December...

                                                                                                  https://www.businesstoday.in/current...ry/423873.html
                                                                                                  Hold on to your hat - I agree with you. The antiquated policies are beyond retarded and exacerbate the illegal immigration policy. It's like setting a 5 mph speed limit on a Montana Interstate. 99.9% of people will scoff at it and drive 90.

                                                                                                  It seems so basic to me that it hurts my brain to contemplate how, in SIXTY years congress can't even try to fix it. Amnesty or bust - just a damn lightning rod issue both sides use to stir up their bases and demonize the others when there is so much wide open room for marginal improvements they not just ignore but run away from it like the plague.

                                                                                                  Explained 901 times in your 201 posts? Ok Buster.
                                                                                                  Last edited by RDU Irish; 02-05-2021, 10:40 AM. Reason: Buster busted

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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                                                    Hold on to your hat - I agree with you. The antiquated policies are beyond retarded and exacerbate the illegal immigration policy. It's like setting a 5 mph speed limit on a Montana Interstate. 99.9% of people will scoff at it and drive 90.

                                                                                                    It seems so basic to me that it hurts my brain to contemplate how, in SIXTY years congress can't even try to fix it. Amnesty or bust - just a damn lightning rod issue both sides use to stir up their bases and demonize the others when there is so much wide open room for marginal improvements they not just ignore but run away from it like the plague.
                                                                                                    Because it works for monied interests. Labor gets in the country because it's frankly impossible to police a border like some assume we can. Labor can't organize so wages are suppressed. It works for labor because it's still better than Mexico since...it's not Mexico. It works for politicians because they can antagonize the takers and let people talk about the impending "collapse".

                                                                                                    You'll know Congress is serious about stopping illegal immigration when they throw some corporate leaders in jail for hiring illegal immigrants. Until then it's all political theater and we'll "create some jobs" by building an ineffective wall.

                                                                                                    Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                                                    Explained 901 times in your 201 posts? Ok Buster.
                                                                                                    Hey that's 10,000 + 201 damnit ;)

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                                      Love when folks come as anti immigrat workers AND against raising the minimum wage.
                                                                                                      Ehhe. Depends, are you one of those goofy $15/hr zealots or? Minimum wage is tricky. A 15 year old kid working at the local tastee freeze doesn't deserve $15/hr.

                                                                                                      When I got my first job in....2007, at the Dairy Queen, I got $5.85/hr. Minimum wage at the time. The places around town have signs up now advertising they'll pay $14/hr starting out now, though minimum wage is $7.25. I cleaned, took orders, and made the best blizzard in town (extra topping babyyy), but I wasn't worth much more than what I was paid.

                                                                                                      I'm not a fan of the national minimum wage. I'm sure economists have all sorts of powerful arguments for and against it. Just not really sure why a minimum wage employee in Cando, North Dakota (pop ~1000) (avg home value: $90K, roughly $100K below state average) should be mandated to get the same wage as a minimum wage employee in San Fran or Manhattan where two-bedroom apartments typically are $3-4k (pre-pandemic), and purchasing an apartment or home will cost you absurd amounts of money.

                                                                                                      Seems to me the market does a decent job with wages. Out in the oil patch when I was in high school, their McDonald's were giving signing bonuses and like $15/hr. That was back in like 2009.

                                                                                                      If we are going to have a minimum wage, ii think it should be geared towards areas where the cost of living is lower rather than higher, otherwise you might wreck businesses operating in low income areas. I dont think there is anything preventing cities and states from implementing their own minimum wages and I'm pretty sure some have.

                                                                                                      A living wage varies from county to county, or even town to town within a county, I'm very reluctant to have some national wage mandated by people in Congress when states, counties, and municipalities are probably better equipped to figure out the right balance.

                                                                                                      With immigration, I have no problem with them making things easier on folks to come. I understand that our friends South of the border enjoy coming up here to do work that citizens in the states down there are less willing to do. We even get some up here that work in the ag industry.

                                                                                                      I do have an issue when people don't follow the rules. I don't want coming illegally to be rewarded. This shit has been going on for so long though. Not an easy situation to get sorted out.

                                                                                                      The only idea I have (its probably terrible) would be to give some sort of amnesty for some period of time and create some sort of work permit system at state and federal levels so that we can at least sorta keep track of who is here. Give the folks here an opportunity to fix their status.

                                                                                                      The other thing (that will never happen) I'd like to see is get rid of natural born citizens. If your parents are here on vacation or illegally and you are born here, I don't think you should be an American citizen. If they are living here legally, welcome to the gang. I'm assuming that'll make it easier for parents to obtain more permanent status as well?

                                                                                                      At the end of the day, it might even serve my political goals. Hispanics/Latinos(whatever term is in vogue rn) tend to be pretty conservative and religious people. They are coming here no matter what we do, so might as well try to figure out a way to conform national policy to the reality on the ground.

                                                                                                      Rant against national increase to minimum wage and stupid thoughts on illegal immigration over.
                                                                                                      Based Mullet Kid owns

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