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  • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
    You are wrong, as you so often are. He built a massive camp in Texas for this specific purpose — internment. You know, the camps you said didn’t exist in your last post. Now Obama built them. You are a f*ing joke.

    Trump signed 291 executive orders in 4 years and not a peep! Ridiculous!

    And yes, all those things are as true as they are twisted. Watching them happen and excusing them ... that’s gross.
    Absolutely not. I didn't accept your use of the term "internment camps" and still don't. We've had detention centers at our border for years because thousands try to come here illegally every day.

    FDR rounded up US citizens of Japenese descent and put them in camps. Trump and other US presidents have held non citizens at federal detention centers at our border. There's a huge difference in those two scenarios that you refuse to ackowledge.
    Last edited by Polish Leppy 22; 02-02-2021, 08:56 AM.
    The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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    • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
      Absolutely not. I didn't accept your use of the term "internment camps" and still don't. We've had detention centers at our border for years because thousands try to come here illegally every day.

      FDR rounded up US citizens of Japenese descent and put them in camps. Trump and other US presidents have held non citizens at federal detention centers at our border. There's a huge difference in those two scenarios that you refuse to ackowledge.
      There are differences, no doubt. But none of those differences prevents an internment camp from being an internment camp. February is shorter than January but they are both still months. Internment is the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons. Whether you “accept” it or not, words mean things. He built internment camps.
      Last edited by GoIrish41; 02-02-2021, 09:24 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
        Absolutely not. I didn't accept your use of the term "internment camps" and still don't. We've had detention centers at our border for years because thousands try to come here illegally every day.

        FDR rounded up US citizens of Japenese descent and put them in camps. Trump and other US presidents have held non citizens at federal detention centers at our border. There's a huge difference in those two scenarios that you refuse to ackowledge.
        Another huge difference is that the Trump administration did this for the sole purpose of inflicting pain and suffering as a means to discourage illegal immigration/asylum seekers.

        Those aren't my words, those are Trump's. He's Mr. YouHaveToShowStrength.

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        • Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
          Another huge difference is that the Trump administration did this for the sole purpose of inflicting pain and suffering as a means to discourage illegal immigration/asylum seekers.

          Those aren't my words, those are Trump's. He's Mr. YouHaveToShowStrength.
          You say it like that's a bad thing?
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          • <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JTfzEM7THiY" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
            What did Davonte do?

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            • An extremely detailed map of the 2020 Election (NY Times)

              Searchable for area or zip code and ability to compare to 2016 results. Interesting to see how voting change at Palm Beach from 2016. Typed in Mar-a-Lago.

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              • Steve King, Rep from Iowa's 4th, was stripped of his Committee assignments one year ago for white supremacist talk. She was appointed to the House Education and Labor Committee, for one.

                If the Rep Party doesn't strip her of those assignments, how far right has the Party gone? She has certainly said much more inflammatory statements than King. First, though, let's wait for the vote on that resolution. Hopefully, the Party will proceed on its own.

                King said:
                Leader McCarthy’s decision to remove me from committees is a political decision that ignores the truth. We discussed the worn out label 'racist' and my observation that other slanderous labels have been increasingly assigned to Conservatives by the Left, who injected into our current political dialog such terms as Nazi, Fascist, ‘White Nationalist, White Supremacist,— Western Civilization, how did THAT language become offensive? Ultimately, I told [McCarthy] ‘You have to do what you have to do and I will do what I have to do.’ I will continue to point out the truth and work with all the vigor that I have to represent 4th District Iowans for at least the next two years.”
                The House voted 416–1 to rebuke King's comments.

                McCarthy said at that time:
                “Steve’s remarks are beneath the dignity of the party of Lincoln and the United States of America," McCarthy said in a statement. "His comments call into question whether he will treat all Americans equally, without regard for race and ethnicity. House Republicans are clear: We are all in this together, as fellow citizens equal before God and the law. As Congressman King’s fellow citizens, let us hope and pray earnestly that this action will lead to greater reflection and ultimately change on his part.”
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                • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                  There are differences, no doubt. But none of those differences prevents an internment camp from being an internment camp. February is shorter than January but they are both still months. Internment is the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons. Whether you “accept” it or not, words mean things. He built internment camps.
                  I live on the border. I am 30 minutes from Juarez, MX. I forget the time frame and I am too lazy too look it up but when we had those massive caravans coming across the border it was funny to watch FOX/CNN talk about what I was actually seeing daily.

                  They were being housed anywhere that could provide them "two hots and a cot". School gyms, churches and even the hospitals. The store I own is right down the road from a school that housed some. All day and everyday there were kids playing soccer and on the playground pretty much all day. We had some border patrol officers come to the store to buy soccer balls and other things. They could come and go as they pleased.

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                  • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                    I live on the border. I am 30 minutes from Juarez, MX. I forget the time frame and I am too lazy too look it up but when we had those massive caravans coming across the border it was funny to watch FOX/CNN talk about what I was actually seeing daily.

                    They were being housed anywhere that could provide them "two hots and a cot". School gyms, churches and even the hospitals. The store I own is right down the road from a school that housed some. All day and everyday there were kids playing soccer and on the playground pretty much all day. We had some border patrol officers come to the store to buy soccer balls and other things. They could come and go as they pleased.
                    Oh those photos I saw of the kids marching in single file between rows of massive tents in the heat of last summer must have been child actors on a movie set. C’mon man. We’ve all seen the on it and it has been going on for years. Thousands and thousands were detained. Do you still kids playing soccer or would you have to drive to the camps to see it now?

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                    • Maybe he built camps to “solve” the problem you are describing instead of just returning the kids to their parents and admitting the policy was a disaster. .
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                      • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                        Maybe he built camps to “solve” the problem you are describing instead of just returning the kids to their parents and admitting the policy was a disaster. .
                        couldn't even manage that properly

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54636223
                        What did Davonte do?

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                        • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                          There are differences, no doubt. But none of those differences prevents an internment camp from being an internment camp. February is shorter than January but they are both still months. Internment is the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons. Whether you “accept” it or not, words mean things. He built internment camps.
                          This is completely misleading. You're trying to paint Trump like Hitler opening up prison camps for people he doesn't like.

                          The truth is 40 new detention facilities have been opened since 2017, and about 80% are run by private firms. Was that done for Trump's amusement? No. It was done to try and handle the thousands that try to enter the US every day, some of those being children unaccompanied by adults or parents.

                          In the year 2000, the US had a daily average of 20,000 people held in "internment camps" and by the end of Obama's term that number ballooned to 40,000. That's why presidents (D and R) are forced to open more detention centers, unless you'd like to open your doors and start housing people.

                          You'll be disappointed to learn that the Obama admin actually opened a huge detention center in Arizona (2014) that was an abandoned warehouse. So the narrative really should read, "Obama built detention centers to house migrants and Trump built more because more people keep coming and there's no better alternative."
                          The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                          • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                            This is completely misleading. You're trying to paint Trump like Hitler opening up prison camps for people he doesn't like.

                            The truth is 40 new detention facilities have been opened since 2017, and about 80% are run by private firms. Was that done for Trump's amusement? No. It was done to try and handle the thousands that try to enter the US every day, some of those being children unaccompanied by adults or parents.

                            In the year 2000, the US had a daily average of 20,000 people held in "internment camps" and by the end of Obama's term that number ballooned to 40,000. That's why presidents (D and R) are forced to open more detention centers, unless you'd like to open your doors and start housing people.

                            You'll be disappointed to learn that the Obama admin actually opened a huge detention center in Arizona (2014) that was an abandoned warehouse. So the narrative really should read, "Obama built detention centers to house migrants and Trump built more because more people keep coming and there's no better alternative."
                            1. Now you’re getting it!

                            2. Before he became president there was a policy to end private prisons. Trump did his billionaire prison industry buddies a solid and changed that. At least some of these facilities were used as internment camps.

                            3. Nobody suggested Obama never authorized a detention center. I’m saying Trump built internment camps. You are conflating a temporary holding facility used to house unaccompanied children to one in which innocent refugee children have been incarcerated for 2 or 3 years after being taken from their parents. Even you aren’t that obtuse.
                            Last edited by GoIrish41; 02-03-2021, 06:50 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                              You say it like that's a bad thing?
                              Yeah

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                              • Polish Leppy: It's a mortuary!

                                GoIrish41: No, it's a funeral home!

                                Carry on.

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                                • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                                  1. Now you’re getting it!

                                  2. Before he became president there was a policy to end private prisons. Trump did his billionaire prison industry buddies a solid and changed that. At least some of these facilities were used as internment camps.

                                  3. Nobody suggested Obama never authorized a detention center. I’m saying Trump built internment camps. You are conflating a temporary holding facility used to house unaccompanied children to one in which innocent refugee children have been incarcerated for 2 or 3 years after being taken from their parents. Even you aren’t that obtuse.
                                  Who in the prison industry is Trump buddies with? And did it ever dawn on you that ICE/ DHS doesn't have the manpower to staff all these facilities, which is why they were outsourced?

                                  If these children show up at our border with no parents, the blame belongs on someone from their home country, not on ICE or POTUS. I guess we should clarify if we're talking about migrants showing up at our border or illegal aliens living in the US who are being deported. Those are two different scenarios.

                                  Your case for this is weaker than your grip on reality.

                                  https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/polit...ion/index.html

                                  On a scale of 1 to 10, how outraged are you here?

                                  The Biden administration is opening an overflow facility for unaccompanied migrant children apprehended at the US-Mexico border, the federal agency tasked with the children's care told CNN in a statement.

                                  The Health and Human Services Department will reopen a facility in Carrizo Springs, Texas, that can accommodate about 700 children and can be expanded if necessary.
                                  The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                  • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The irony of this segment about deplatforming, where they turn the MyPillow guy&#39;s mic down and recite a legal statement over him until one of the anchors just leaves to protect himself from further legal jeopardy, shouldn&#39;t be lost on anybody. <a href="https://t.co/ah89Gs7BkJ">https://t.co/ah89Gs7BkJ</a></p>&mdash; Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) <a href="https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1356735672237912064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                    This was amazingly hilarious
                                    What did Davonte do?

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                                    • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought blue lives matter was a GOP thing. Tonight the funeral lying in state for the fallen officer, Brian Sicknick, is being covered solemnly on MSNBC and CNN. But not covered at all on Fox or the right wing networks ( OAN, Newsmax) So I guess that was all BS for the GoP. <a href="https://t.co/aIhbZaiuq9">pic.twitter.com/aIhbZaiuq9</a></p>&mdash; HillaryGail😷🌼🌺🌸 (@Hillaryh4444Hos) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hillaryh4444Hos/status/1356802413085290498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                      What did Davonte do?

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                                      • This is the problem. We have news that is totally slanted on both sides of the spectrum. There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore. Been that way for some time. I used to think that Fox news was closer to the middle, but they jumped the shark awhile back. People don't know what to believe, so they simply go the source that reaffirms the things they want to believe. Any news that reflects badly on the other side is pushed. Anything that reflects badly on "our side" is ignored.

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                                        • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                          This is the problem. We have news that is totally slanted on both sides of the spectrum. There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore. Been that way for some time. I used to think that Fox news was closer to the middle, but they jumped the shark awhile back. People don't know what to believe, so they simply go the source that reaffirms the things they want to believe. Any news that reflects badly on the other side is pushed. Anything that reflects badly on "our side" is ignored.
                                          This was never the case, not since its inception. The business model of Fox/Murdoch is not about being unbiased.
                                          What did Davonte do?

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                                          • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                            This was never the case, not since its inception. The business model of Fox/Murdoch is not about being unbiased.
                                            Just like it hasn't been the case for the rest of the MSM. Far too many people on this site who can't even admit that.

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                                            • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought blue lives matter was a GOP thing. Tonight the funeral lying in state for the fallen officer, Brian Sicknick, is being covered solemnly on MSNBC and CNN. But not covered at all on Fox or the right wing networks ( OAN, Newsmax) So I guess that was all BS for the GoP. <a href="https://t.co/aIhbZaiuq9">pic.twitter.com/aIhbZaiuq9</a></p>&mdash; HillaryGail😷🌼🌺🌸 (@Hillaryh4444Hos) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hillaryh4444Hos/status/1356802413085290498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                              The real question is why isn't the dude in the ground yet? Been dead almost a month.
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                                              • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                This is the problem. We have news that is totally slanted on both sides of the spectrum. There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore. Been that way for some time. I used to think that Fox news was closer to the middle, but they jumped the shark awhile back. People don't know what to believe, so they simply go the source that reaffirms the things they want to believe. Any news that reflects badly on the other side is pushed. Anything that reflects badly on "our side" is ignored.
                                                Fox News has all but abandoned unbiased news and is now almost exclusively opinion infotainment.
                                                SHeP admits gave a great interview on this recently on why he left. I think there might be only one guy left that is unopinionated. Everything else is propaganda and outrage manufacturing.
                                                "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                                • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                  Fox News has all but abandoned unbiased news and is now almost exclusively opinion infotainment.
                                                  SHeP admits gave a great interview on this recently on why he left. I think there might be only one guy left that is unopinionated. Everything else is propaganda and outrage manufacturing.
                                                  Baier does a nice job. After he is done it is opinion all night long. I can't do Hannity or Ingram. It's like RNC propaganda and I don't need nor want to hear it. Tucker will call BS on anyone from any side and I appreciate that. I couldn't call him unbiased, but I do appreciate it when people look both ways. He has some genuinely good takes at times but it's like listening to Bill Maher- you know where he leans but he really nails it sometimes.

                                                  CNN/MSNBC only exists for propaganda and outrage. The potato guy that spewed nonsense and wants to de-platform Fox may be the biggest joke they have.

                                                  Really the whole media machine is broken. Most of the journos are leftist jokes. My favorite podcast plays a game where they read off tweets from 3 journos and a known Dem pundit and you have to guess which is the pundit. The point is always that the journos are completely in the tank for the left.

                                                  I still like my WSJ coverage and the dweebs on CNBC during the day, but yeah total joke for the media these days.
                                                  Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                  • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                    The real question is why isn't the dude in the ground yet? Been dead almost a month.
                                                    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53...o-lie-in-honor

                                                    because there was a campaign led by GOP lawmakers to give him a funeral befitting him. Pity conservative media had apparently better things to show their viewers last night
                                                    What did Davonte do?

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                                                    • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                      https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53...o-lie-in-honor

                                                      because there was a campaign led by GOP lawmakers to give him a funeral befitting him. Pity conservative media had apparently better things to show their viewers last night
                                                      I didn't have the TV on so it wouldn't have affected me. Would've likely changed the channel.
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                                                      • enlightening ... ?
                                                        (the television equivalent of "didn't read it.")

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                                                        • We finally have a Homeland Security Director confirmed by the Senate - Alejandro Mayorkas - who has experience in the Dept, too.
                                                          He follows Acting Secretary Chad Wolfe, who was proceeded by (Acting) Secr. Ken McAlleenan. Wolfe resigned prior to the Inauguration, and for the interim Biden replaced him with David Pekoske. Pekoske had been confirmed by the U.S. Senate as the Transportation Security Administration’s Secretary. Pekoske will act as Deputy Sec until his replacement can be confirmed by the Senate. His predecessor, (Acting) Deputy Sec was Ken Cuccinelli, who previously served as (Acting) Director and Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Director of United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (ICE).

                                                          In the DHS leadership at this time, Trump holdovers are (Acting) Under Secretary, Management, Randolph D. "Tex" Alles, who is also filling the role of Deputy Under Secretary for Management. Alles was fired as head of Secret Service due to the Chinese woman entering the grounds at Mar-a-Lago and then put in the role at DHS months later without nomination to Congress.

                                                          Wolfe's directive on DACA were determined to be illegal and invalidated due to his role exceeding time by law. Cuccinelli served in two roles as Acting head prior to his Dep Secr role. Under Wolfe an annual report on domestic terrorism threat to the security of the U.S. was delayed, finally triggering an Inspector General whistleblower report to Congress. Trump had nominated Wolfe for DHS Secr after his regulations were invalidated, but then pulled his nomination after Inauguration Day and the Insurrection at the Capitol. That withdrawal occurred one after Wolfe said that "Any appearance of inciting violence by an elected official goes against who we are as Americans."

                                                          The last Homeland Security head that was confirmed through Congress's role to advise and consent was Kirsten Nielsen twenty-two months ago. Legally, appointees which require Senate approval can only serve in that capacity for nine months. Without that Advise and Consent, personnel were just moved around within the Dept from different sections.

                                                          The GAO also issued a report to Congress that Wolfe was in his position illegally.
                                                          Upon Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen's resignation on April 10, 2019, the official who assumed the title of Acting Secretary had not been designated in the order of succession to serve upon the Secretary's resignation. Because the incorrect official assumed the title of Acting Secretary at that time, subsequent amendments to the order of succession made by that official were invalid and officials who assumed their positions under such amendments, including Chad Wolf and Kenneth Cuccinelli, were named by reference to an invalid order of succession
                                                          DHS is the third largest Dept in the Executive Branch and in charge of Immigration, Terror threats to our democracy, countering weapons of mass destruction, TSA, FEMA, pandemic responses, interactions with private sectors and Congress and much more. When Wolfe was called before Congress in the spring to explain his Dept's response to the pandemic, he evidenced a lack of knowledge of that role and responsibilities.

                                                          Mayorkas was confirmed by the Senate with a 56-43 vote on Tuesday.
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                                                          • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                            Fox News has all but abandoned unbiased news and is now almost exclusively opinion infotainment.
                                                            SHeP admits gave a great interview on this recently on why he left. I think there might be only one guy left that is unopinionated. Everything else is propaganda and outrage manufacturing.
                                                            Megyn Kelly said she had more journalistic freedom at FOX than she did at NBC. Not saying this to prove a point either way because I dont have a dog in this fight but to just add to the discussion.

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                                                            • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                              Megyn Kelly said she had more journalistic freedom at FOX than she did at NBC. Not saying this to prove a point either way because I dont have a dog in this fight but to just add to the discussion.
                                                              Not even sure what this means tbh. If Kelly has more "yeah fine say whatever you want" then that is *not* always a great thing.

                                                              One of my good friends works for CBS News in a position where he's on their national nightly news fairly frequently. We've chatted about "the media" a bunch and he's pretty quick to lay it all out that at the end of the day 1) it's a ratings game, 2) producers come and go, 3) different producers have different tolerances, 4) corporate bosses come and go, 5) corporate bosses' goals change, etc etc etc.

                                                              His view is most of the journalists went to the same schools (Syracuse, Northwestern, etc) and know each other and follow the same rigorous journalistic procedures, etc. If that always shines in a TV production after a producer gets their way is a totally different issue. If a network wants to turn more Left or Right because of a new corporate goal, that's a different issue too. For example there was a time when MSNBC wanted to go 9/10 liberal, now they're more like 7.5/10 liberal. He's also recognizes that all of this inconsistency rolls downhill (in part because networks dont announce when they're changing ratings strategies) and the everyday reporter is branded as slanted when that is not the case 95% of the time.

                                                              He interviewed at Fox News before taking the CBS News job and said they have, by far, the nicest facilities and pay the most. But he didn't like the interview and while they didn't show bias one way or the other, he just said something was "off" lol

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                                                              • Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
                                                                Not even sure what this means tbh. If Kelly has more "yeah fine say whatever you want" then that is *not* always a great thing.

                                                                One of my good friends works for CBS News in a position where he's on their national nightly news fairly frequently. We've chatted about "the media" a bunch and he's pretty quick to lay it all out that at the end of the day 1) it's a ratings game, 2) producers come and go, 3) different producers have different tolerances, 4) corporate bosses come and go, 5) corporate bosses' goals change, etc etc etc.

                                                                His view is most of the journalists went to the same schools (Syracuse, Northwestern, etc) and know each other and follow the same rigorous journalistic procedures, etc. If that always shines in a TV production after a producer gets their way is a totally different issue. If a network wants to turn more Left or Right because of a new corporate goal, that's a different issue too. For example there was a time when MSNBC wanted to go 9/10 liberal, now they're more like 7.5/10 liberal. He's also recognizes that all of this inconsistency rolls downhill (in part because networks dont announce when they're changing ratings strategies) and the everyday reporter is branded as slanted when that is not the case 95% of the time.

                                                                He interviewed at Fox News before taking the CBS News job and said they have, by far, the nicest facilities and pay the most. But he didn't like the interview and while they didn't show bias one way or the other, he just said something was "off" lol
                                                                In the context of journalism she was saying she had more flexibility to report what she wanted. I guess it could be the same as “saying” what you want but “saying what you want” really isn’t journalism, which has been the criticism of MSM in general. She was specifically talking about having more flexibility on what stories she covered and what guests she could bring on. As opposed to NBC where she did not have as much. I miss my MSM crush on Megyn, her and Trumps feud made me like her even more.

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                                                                • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                                  In the context of journalism she was saying she had more flexibility to report what she wanted. I guess it could be the same as “saying” what you want but “saying what you want” really isn’t journalism, which has been the criticism of MSM in general. She was specifically talking about having more flexibility on what stories she covered and what guests she could bring on. As opposed to NBC where she did not have as much. I miss my MSM crush on Megyn, her and Trumps feud made me like her even more.
                                                                  What she did at Fox News wasn't journalism so I don't really get your point. She was on a shorter leash at NBC? I'm shocked that they didn't fully trust a huge Fox News personality to recreate and rid herself of the persona she was on Fox News. Maybe if her show didn't tank right out of the gate she would have gotten that "journalistic freedom."

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                                                                  • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                                    Megyn Kelly said she had more journalistic freedom at FOX than she did at NBC. Not saying this to prove a point either way because I dont have a dog in this fight but to just add to the discussion.
                                                                    Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
                                                                    What she did at Fox News wasn't journalism so I don't really get your point. She was on a shorter leash at NBC? I'm shocked that they didn't fully trust a huge Fox News personality to recreate and rid herself of the persona she was on Fox News. Maybe if her show didn't tank right out of the gate she would have gotten that "journalistic freedom."
                                                                    Relax. Breathe. Read.

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                                                                    • Yeh, right. Does anyone believe that you post without trying to "make a point?" Give your colleagues a break. You post as if you always "have a dog in the fight." Cut the snarky slaps at your colleagues. "Relax. Breathe. Read." What a supercilious attempt at personalized put-down.

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                                                                      • Originally posted by Old Man Mike View Post
                                                                        Yeh, right. Does anyone believe that you post without trying to "make a point?" Give your colleagues a break. You post as if you always "have a dog in the fight." Cut the snarky slaps at your colleagues. "Relax. Breathe. Read." What a supercilious attempt at personalized put-down.
                                                                        It's like the "I'm not trying to be rude but...."

                                                                        "I'm not trying to make a point but..." ...insert dig at NBC News and use loaded terms like "MSM" lol

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                                                                        • Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
                                                                          It's like the "I'm not trying to be rude but...."

                                                                          "I'm not trying to make a point but..." ...insert dig at NBC News and use loaded terms like "MSM" lol
                                                                          Very much a "Well, actually...." or "I'm going to play the devil's advocate" guy-in-your-university lecture feel. lol

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                                                                          • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAK: <a href="https://twitter.com/mattgaetz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MattGaetz</a> tells <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WarRoomPandemic?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"> #WarRoomPandemic</a> he would be willing to resign his Congressional seat in order to defend President Donald Trump in the upcoming impeachment trial. <a href="https://t.co/bCRtEnmC0P">https://t.co/bCRtEnmC0P</a></p>&mdash; Raheem Kassam (@RaheemKassam) <a href="https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1356986765832318976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                                            What did Davonte do?

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                                                                            • He probably should resign for his failed attempt to out Liz Cheney from leadership. Dude went to Wyoming and talked a ton of shit about her. Not smart.
                                                                              "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                                                              • Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
                                                                                It's like the "I'm not trying to be rude but...."

                                                                                "I'm not trying to make a point but..." ...insert dig at NBC News and use loaded terms like "MSM" lol
                                                                                I said “with all due respect!”
                                                                                "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                                                                • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                                                  He probably should resign for his failed attempt to out Liz Cheney from leadership. Dude went to Wyoming and talked a ton of shit about her. Not smart.
                                                                                  got dragged on twitter by ChinaVirus guy

                                                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No we voted. You were just wrong by like, a huuuuuge margin. <a href="https://t.co/2iwjlxpB3J">https://t.co/2iwjlxpB3J</a></p>&mdash; Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1357152981335105537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                                                  What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                  • On the one hand, they voted to keep Cheney, I would've given up all hope if they would've drove her out.

                                                                                    On the other hand, supposedly half of the Representatives gave Greene a standing ovation the other day. SMH

                                                                                    I don't know if the Republicans can regroup or not. I was hoping that Trump's influence would be lessened. But it seems like the Republican party is morphing into the Patriot party.

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                      On the one hand, they voted to keep Cheney, I would've given up all hope if they would've drove her out.

                                                                                      On the other hand, supposedly half of the Representatives gave Greene a standing ovation the other day. SMH

                                                                                      I don't know if the Republicans can regroup or not. I was hoping that Trump's influence would be lessened. But it seems like the Republican party is morphing into the Patriot party.
                                                                                      The South Carolina GOP censured one of their Reps that voted to impeach Trump. Arizona GOP are attacking Cindy McCain. The GOP is leaning heavily towards MAGA and people like MGT. not Romney.
                                                                                      "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                                                        The South Carolina GOP censured one of their Reps that voted to impeach Trump. Arizona GOP are attacking Cindy McCain. The GOP is leaning heavily towards MAGA and people like MGT. not Romney.
                                                                                        Yes, I was extremely disappointed at the South Carolina censure. Forget about people voting their conscience.

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by Old Man Mike View Post
                                                                                          Yeh, right. Does anyone believe that you post without trying to "make a point?" Give your colleagues a break. You post as if you always "have a dog in the fight." Cut the snarky slaps at your colleagues. "Relax. Breathe. Read." What a supercilious attempt at personalized put-down.
                                                                                          Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
                                                                                          It's like the "I'm not trying to be rude but...."

                                                                                          "I'm not trying to make a point but..." ...insert dig at NBC News and use loaded terms like "MSM" lol
                                                                                          Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                                          Very much a "Well, actually...." or "I'm going to play the devil's advocate" guy-in-your-university lecture feel. lol
                                                                                          I guess to be fair everyone has a point in making a comment. My intial comment was just to add to the conversation on what another former FOX employee said about FOX. I added the "i dont really have a point" because I knew someone would get triggered and offer some backhanded retort making it seem like im defending FOX and I really didn't and don't care to delve too much into a "who is more evil" conversation CNN/FOX/MSNBC or other mainstreem "news" outlet. There was really nothing else I could have added because I really dont follow anyone or any channel.

                                                                                          I responded to Bilbo not to argue Fox or Megyn Kelly but more to help him know what journalism is. When I said Megyn Kelly had more JOURNALISTIC freedom at FOX he took at that as "she can whatever she wants". Whether true or not at FOX with Megyn Kelly (I dont care) having JOURNALISTIC Freedom is not SAYING what you want but REPORTING what you want.

                                                                                          It was late, I was writing reports and making orders I probably could have been more clear. But its telling all the wokies get up this morning in typical form ready to backslap anything and anyone they disagree with.

                                                                                          And to the bolded... is NBC not Mainstream Media? Or was it the abbreviated loaded term of "MSM" that offended you?

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                                                            I guess to be fair everyone has a point in making a comment. My intial comment was just to add to the conversation on what another former FOX employee said about FOX. I added the "i dont really have a point" because I knew someone would get triggered and offer some backhanded retort making it seem like im defending FOX and I really didn't and don't care to delve too much into a "who is more evil" conversation CNN/FOX/MSNBC or other mainstreem "news" outlet. There was really nothing else I could have added because I really dont follow anyone or any channel.

                                                                                            I responded to Bilbo not to argue Fox or Megyn Kelly but more to help him know what journalism is. When I said Megyn Kelly had more JOURNALISTIC freedom at FOX he took at that as "she can whatever she wants". Whether true or not at FOX with Megyn Kelly (I dont care) having JOURNALISTIC Freedom is not SAYING what you want but REPORTING what you want.

                                                                                            It was late, I was writing reports and making orders I probably could have been more clear. But its telling all the wokies get up this morning in typical form ready to backslap anything and anyone they disagree with.

                                                                                            And to the bolded... is NBC not Mainstream Media? Or was it the abbreviated loaded term of "MSM" that offended you?
                                                                                            I interpret MSM to be the alphabet TV networks, the major newspapers, and maybe a few of the major magazines. I generally assume people its shorthand for right of center people to talk about left of center media.

                                                                                            Depending on context, it can include Fox, not that Fox is ever left-center. I think it would be when people are criticizing media in general. Depending on who you talk to, you can probably figure our pretty quickly what they mean by 'MSM.'
                                                                                            Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                                                                            • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I also want to tell you that 9/11 absolutely happened,” <a href="https://twitter.com/mtgreenee?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mtgreenee</a> says.</p>&mdash; Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1357386501794000900?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                                                              Damn she's selling out already
                                                                                              What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                                                                It was late, I was writing reports and making orders I probably could have been more clear. But its telling all the wokies get up this morning in typical form ready to backslap anything and anyone they disagree with.
                                                                                                You know, we can walk and chew gum. I'm not going to swing my dick around, but I can tell you I don't spend my day yelling at 16 year olds that they're stupid because they can't put a chain on a mountain bike.

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                                                  I interpret MSM to be the alphabet TV networks, the major newspapers, and maybe a few of the major magazines. I generally assume people its shorthand for right of center people to talk about left of center media.

                                                                                                  Depending on context, it can include Fox, not that Fox is ever left-center. I think it would be when people are criticizing media in general. Depending on who you talk to, you can probably figure our pretty quickly what they mean by 'MSM.'
                                                                                                  so this is the sort of person you get your news from?

                                                                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I just went to a MACDONALD’S and there was no MCFISH on the menu. When the hell did that happen? Is it permanently banned? Or is just my “local” MACDONALD’S. I demanded to see the “manager” but they accused me of being a “MALE KAREN” so i walked out. <a href="https://t.co/oSpgFqfYGZ">pic.twitter.com/oSpgFqfYGZ</a></p>&mdash; Greg Kelly (@gregkellyusa) <a href="https://twitter.com/gregkellyusa/status/1357342686403911681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                                                                  What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                                  • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tucker Carlson, insulting his own colleagues (and CNN et al), yet again...<br><br>&quot;You got to wonder why people go into journalism. It doesn&#39;t pay well. Nobody likes you. It&#39;s kind of a slog. It&#39;s dying. But people do it anyway. Why is that? Of course the answer&#39;s obvious. For POWER&quot; <a href="https://t.co/K8E94WXBUG">pic.twitter.com/K8E94WXBUG</a></p>&mdash; Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1357158364896251906?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                                                                    What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                                                      You know, we can walk and chew gum. I'm not going to swing my dick around, but I can tell you I don't spend my day yelling at 16 year olds that they're stupid because they can't put a chain on a mountain bike.
                                                                                                      Its probably too cold up there to be swinging anything...

                                                                                                      You are making this too personal. Should probably take the day and go to your safe space. Sure I probably made a comment many moons ago about minimum wage or something and referenced how college kids these days dont know how to put a chain on a bike or even ride a bike. I just don't see how that has anything to do with this conversation. If you are insinuating that I sit in my little sporting goods store and yell at my staff you obviously dont know enough about me to make things personal. I also grow hemp and have enough to send some up to Toronto, CBD has been known to help with anger management. CBD has also been know to help with blood flow so on those blitering cold days you can swing your dick around a little easier.

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