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  • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
    Thinking along the same lines of Rudy and Powell being sued by Dominion, I think it would be great theatre to see Trump sue every politician for uttering his name with insurrection. He has lost business deals, he can prove financial loss, the evidence against him is very very cirumstanstancial.
    Yes, totally, he should sue people who have said bad things about him. I mean, he's never once disparaged someone or said something like "Obama committed treason".

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    • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
      Yes, totally, he should sue people who have said bad things about him. I mean, he's never once disparaged someone or said something like "Obama committed treason".
      I's gonna say something along those lines lol
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      • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
        Yes, totally, he should sue people who have said bad things about him. I mean, he's never once disparaged someone or said something like "Obama committed treason".
        There would be so many, he might go bankrupt again just filing all of the lawsuits!

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        • That racist birther thing was pretty cool too.
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          • look at this amadán

            <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He says North Dakota, where his grandfather was a mayor, is nearby. He’s standing in Cheyenne, Wyoming. His grandfather was mayor of a town more than 700 miles away—roughly the distance from Pensacola to “nearby” Cincinnati. <a href="https://t.co/BCVNBdAPIR">https://t.co/BCVNBdAPIR</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Allen (@jonallendc) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1354931233189457929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
            What did Davonte do?

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            • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GOP state lawmakers have moved to impose new restrictions on mail-in voting for future elections in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania — battleground states that were fiercely contested in the 2020 election with record numbers of early and mail-in voters <a href="https://t.co/fbzF8eMuYt">https://t.co/fbzF8eMuYt</a></p>&mdash; CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1355175376151064582?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Republican chair of Arizona's state House Ways and Means Committee has introduced a bill that would grant the legislature the ability to revoke the sec. of state's certification of election results at any time before the presidential inauguration. <a href="https://t.co/cYf0ee4GXt">https://t.co/cYf0ee4GXt</a></p>&mdash; NBC News (@NBCNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1354982620455694340?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

              When the GOP loses an election via early voting and mail in voting, then tries to overturn the election in battleground states losing 69 times in court claiming a stolen election, and then commits a failed coup attempt to stop the certification of the results....What does this totally honorable and most respectful party of America do? Use legislation to make voting harder if not impossible to vote early and vote by mail.
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              • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                look at this amadán

                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He says North Dakota, where his grandfather was a mayor, is nearby. He’s standing in Cheyenne, Wyoming. His grandfather was mayor of a town more than 700 miles away—roughly the distance from Pensacola to “nearby” Cincinnati. <a href="https://t.co/BCVNBdAPIR">https://t.co/BCVNBdAPIR</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Allen (@jonallendc) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1354931233189457929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                Hes not the brightest bulb. It can be tricky to comprehend distance at times but not much of an excuse here. The part of the state his grandpa was a mayor in looks nothing like Wyoming anyway lol.

                The only sorta potential defense there would be is distance in the Plains means much less than distance out east or out west. It took me less time to get to my girlfriend's place in college 70 miles away than it took to get to my booty calls place in Manhattan 50 blocks away.

                Fun fact: from my old stomping grounds in Florida (Ft Walton/Destin) to Chicago is only like an hour or two further drive than Ft. Walton to Miami.
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                • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GOP state lawmakers have moved to impose new restrictions on mail-in voting for future elections in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania — battleground states that were fiercely contested in the 2020 election with record numbers of early and mail-in voters <a href="https://t.co/fbzF8eMuYt">https://t.co/fbzF8eMuYt</a></p>&mdash; CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1355175376151064582?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                  When the GOP loses an election via early voting and mail in voting, then tries to overturn the election in battleground states losing 69 times in court claiming a stolen election, and then commits a failed coup attempt to stop the certification of the results....What does this totally honorable and most respectful party of America do? Use legislation to make voting harder if not impossible to vote early and vote by mail.

                  The GOP doesnt want people to vote. The GOP hates the democratic voting process and is resorting to taking disenfranchising peoples right to vote. Its clear.
                  Quit being dramatic lol. If you hypothetically removed mail voting, or early voting, no one is being disenfranchised. They may decide not to go vote in person because of the hassle, or they want to be on vacation, but if you still retain the ability to vote... you haven't been disenfranchised.

                  For the record, I don't like the idea of voting by mail. You could prove its 100% safe and secure, i still wouldn't like it. Its like taking law school exams online, I assume its generally fair to all of us, but one can't help but be a little skeptical. I got good at forging my parents signature when I was like 12. Its not hard.

                  Early voting is fine, not sure how I feel about having like a month to go do it, but I guess if your mind is set, might as well get it over with. At least you showed up to the poll then.
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                  • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                    Hes not the brightest bulb. It can be tricky to comprehend distance at times but not much of an excuse here. The part of the state his grandpa was a mayor in looks nothing like Wyoming anyway lol.

                    The only sorta potential defense there would be is distance in the Plains means much less than distance out east or out west. It took me less time to get to my girlfriend's place in college 70 miles away than it took to get to my booty calls place in Manhattan 50 blocks away.

                    Fun fact: from my old stomping grounds in Florida (Ft Walton/Destin) to Chicago is only like an hour or two further drive than Ft. Walton to Miami.
                    That's because the line was long to get in, and you had to stop at the atm to get a couple bills before seeing them.

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                    • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                      Quit being dramatic lol. If you hypothetically removed mail voting, or early voting, no one is being disenfranchised. They may decide not to go vote in person because of the hassle, or they want to be on vacation, but if you still retain the ability to vote... you haven't been disenfranchised.

                      For the record, I don't like the idea of voting by mail. You could prove its 100% safe and secure, i still wouldn't like it. Its like taking law school exams online, I assume its generally fair to all of us, but one can't help but be a little skeptical. I got good at forging my parents signature when I was like 12. Its not hard.

                      Early voting is fine, not sure how I feel about having like a month to go do it, but I guess if your mind is set, might as well get it over with. At least you showed up to the poll then.
                      I mean ... I get it. If the political party I supported was actively trying to undermine democracy I am not sure how I would take it either. LOL
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                      • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                        Quit being dramatic lol. If you hypothetically removed mail voting, or early voting, no one is being disenfranchised. They may decide not to go vote in person because of the hassle, or they want to be on vacation, but if you still retain the ability to vote... you haven't been disenfranchised.

                        For the record, I don't like the idea of voting by mail. You could prove its 100% safe and secure, i still wouldn't like it. Its like taking law school exams online, I assume its generally fair to all of us, but one can't help but be a little skeptical. I got good at forging my parents signature when I was like 12. Its not hard.

                        Early voting is fine, not sure how I feel about having like a month to go do it, but I guess if your mind is set, might as well get it over with. At least you showed up to the poll then.
                        What material negative impacts has mail in voting had? Where is the demonstrable and provable fraud or illegalities of mail in voting? As an auditor I don't give a shit about 5/50/500 votes that won't material misstate the results, that's why you have recounts when thresholds are not met.

                        I'm not talking about hypotheticals, or some doctored Project Veritas video (lmao), or anything like that.

                        I do find it highly ironic that many conservatives want to do away with mail in voting because "one is too many", but for COVID? Hell open it up babbyyyyyy. I guess in either scenario poor people get screwed....

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                        • One of the criticisms that was proffered to the Georgia election was that people who had P.O. Boxes were allowed to vote by mail-in. Really? They've never been to rural areas or native American areas where you get landmark directions to their homes which have no street address or numbers?

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                          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                            What material negative impacts has mail in voting had? Where is the demonstrable and provable fraud or illegalities of mail in voting? As an auditor I don't give a shit about 5/50/500 votes that won't material misstate the results, that's why you have recounts when thresholds are not met.

                            I'm not talking about hypotheticals, or some doctored Project Veritas video (lmao), or anything like that.

                            I do find it highly ironic that many conservatives want to do away with mail in voting because "one is too many", but for COVID? Hell open it up babbyyyyyy. I guess in either scenario poor people get screwed....
                            Notice I specified i don't care if its 100% safe/secure (whether it is or not, i do not know). There was a couple wrestling tourneys in high school where you weighed in at your own place before getting on the bus and the coach would call in our weights to the tourney organizer. I know we didn't lie about guys missing weight, I don't really think other teams did either, doesn't mean I am required to think thats a good way of doing things. Makes it very easy for losers to cry foul.

                            You'd have a hard time convincing me there was a meaningful amount of fraudulent votes to change anything, I'd like that to be clear.

                            I think it'd be important to maintain mail voting for elderly, sick folks, etc. obviously. Early voting is fine too, I've heard horror stories about voting in urban areas (4 hours in DC lmao, 6-8 in Manhattan), plus some folks have odd schedules, fully on board with them going in at a different time.
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                            • At least Trump had press secretaries that were good. This poor girl is a lost dog in tall grass.
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                              • Originally posted by irishff1014 View Post
                                At least Trump had press secretaries that were good. This poor girl is a lost dog in tall grass.
                                this is sarcasm right??
                                What did Davonte do?

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                                • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                  this is sarcasm right??
                                  He's one of the true believers. They've been conditioned to think open hostility and antagonistic lies are how you're supposed to behave at the podium. They don't know how to process a composed press secretary that traffics in facts.

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                                  • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                    One of the criticisms that was proffered to the Georgia election was that people who had P.O. Boxes were allowed to vote by mail-in. Really? They've never been to rural areas or native American areas where you get landmark directions to their homes which have no street address or numbers?
                                    I lived in the definition of a bumfuck town....<1000 people. We all had addresses, farmers have addresses, etc. We did use a P.O. box for mail though, no reason to have mail delivery in that situation. Unless ND is some amazing achievement in rural folks having a street address, I think this problem is likely overstated. The rural south though might actually be a different animal though.

                                    I get that reservations are generally kinda dumpy for any number of reasons. We played them in sports. Thats the only reason you go there unless you are hitting the casino. But they had towns just like the white counties around them did.

                                    I think ND reached a settlement with them to let them vote with their tribal ID's until they could work something out with either assigning them an address and/or figuring out what it is if it does exist and getting it put on a state or tribal ID. Something along those lines.

                                    I would assume that these rural folks mostly have addresses. They have electricity down there. The electric company might have something? Either way, if you are going to do universal mail voting, you should probably allow P.O Boxs to work for people in those areas.
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                                    • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                      He's one of the true believers. They've been conditioned to think open hostility and antagonistic lies are how you're supposed to behave at the podium. They don't know how to process a composed press secretary that traffics in facts.
                                      I imagine her job is likely easier for two reasons:
                                      1. Her boss, as dumb as he may be at times, doesn't stir shit up all the time, and
                                      2. The press has made it pretty clear (explicitly in some cases) that they were going to be friendly to the new administration.

                                      Put these two things together and her job is going to be a lot easier than Trump's people, regardless of how good/bad/average she is at her job.
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                                      • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                        I lived in the definition of a bumfuck town....<1000 people. We all had addresses, farmers have addresses, etc. We did use a P.O. box for mail though, no reason to have mail delivery in that situation. Unless ND is some amazing achievement in rural folks having a street address, I think this problem is likely overstated. The rural south though might actually be a different animal though.

                                        I get that reservations are generally kinda dumpy for any number of reasons. We played them in sports. Thats the only reason you go there unless you are hitting the casino. But they had towns just like the white counties around them did.

                                        I think ND reached a settlement with them to let them vote with their tribal ID's until they could work something out with either assigning them an address and/or figuring out what it is if it does exist and getting it put on a state or tribal ID. Something along those lines.

                                        I would assume that these rural folks mostly have addresses. They have electricity down there. The electric company might have something? Either way, if you are going to do universal mail voting, you should probably allow P.O Boxs to work for people in those areas.
                                        Noted. As far as the NAs, I was thinking of the traditional pueblos in the SW as well as the large rezs like the Navajos with hogans where the neighbors are miles away. And not the federal housing concrete block with numbers and streets. Maybe the South is different, as you say. Those states who only have mail-in voting have probably worked this out.

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                                        • We should let everyone call in their vote. The pollsters can verify who it is by the caller id.

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                                          • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                            We should let everyone call in their vote. The pollsters can verify who it is by the caller id.
                                            LOL. That means some telemarketer based out of India will be placing my vote.

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                                            • Originally posted by irishff1014 View Post
                                              At least Trump had press secretaries that were good. This poor girl is a lost dog in tall grass.
                                              Yeah this girl is bad.

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                                              • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                He's one of the true believers. They've been conditioned to think open hostility and antagonistic lies are how you're supposed to behave at the podium. They don't know how to process a composed press secretary that traffics in facts.
                                                Question: "What do you think of the stock market"

                                                Answer: "We have a women treasure secretary"

                                                Liberals: "good point"

                                                I guess she did answer with a fact...

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                                                • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                  Yeah this girl is bad.
                                                  seriously?
                                                  What did Davonte do?

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                                                  • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                    Question: "What do you think of the stock market"

                                                    Answer: "We have a women treasure secretary"

                                                    Liberals: "good point"

                                                    I guess she did answer with a fact...
                                                    At no point was this an exchange that happened. It's a really weird default for "conservatives" right now to just make stuff up when things are going poorly for them.

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                                                    • Gotta complain about the new press secretary but completely quiet on active sedition, insurrection and undermining of democracy. Ok.
                                                      "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                                      • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                        Gotta complain about the new press secretary but completely quiet on active sedition, insurrection and undermining of democracy. Ok.
                                                        Is this like when Trump is asked to condemn white supremacy everytime someone puts a mic in his face?

                                                        Now every conservative has to codemn a capitol riot everytime they get onto Irishenvy forum?

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                                                        • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                          Gotta complain about the new press secretary but completely quiet on active sedition, insurrection and undermining of democracy. Ok.
                                                          We had varying degrees of dumpster fire from press secretaries for four years. Serial liars and unrepentant purveyors of misinformation.

                                                          Now you have a competent, emotionally balanced press secretary bringing some respect back to the public face of the White House and they are bending over backwards to cry about it. They're mad that their over-makeuped wannabe Barbie isn't up there anymore to lash out at "fake news."

                                                          I don't care what your political leanings are, if you want to pretend that Psaki is "worse" than McEnany or Sanders then you need to do some introspection. No rational human being who cares even the slightest about truth, facts, or respect believes Psaki isn't categorically better at her job than the deranged propagandists we've been subjected to recently.

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                                                          • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                            At no point was this an exchange that happened. It's a really weird default for "conservatives" right now to just make stuff up when things are going poorly for them.
                                                            Um, that is not a new phenomenon.

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                                                            • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                              Gotta complain about the new press secretary but completely quiet on active sedition, insurrection and undermining of democracy. Ok.
                                                              By all means... post more if you'd like to steer conversation in that direction
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                                                              • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                We had varying degrees of dumpster fire from press secretaries for four years. Serial liars and unrepentant purveyors of misinformation.

                                                                Now you have a competent, emotionally balanced press secretary bringing some respect back to the public face of the White House and they are bending over backwards to cry about it. They're mad that their over-makeuped wannabe Barbie isn't up there anymore to lash out at "fake news."

                                                                I don't care what your political leanings are, if you want to pretend that Psaki is "worse" than McEnany or Sanders then you need to do some introspection. No rational human being who cares even the slightest about truth, facts, or respect believes Psaki isn't categorically better at her job than the deranged propagandists we've been subjected to recently.
                                                                It's akin to them complaining about Obama's tan suit after 8 years of no drama
                                                                What did Davonte do?

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                                                                • We have good data residents in inner cities and minority voters have much longer wait times to vote than their white/rural/suburban cohorts. By making esrly/mail in voting harder you make election day waits longer everywhere. But much longer in disadvantaged areas. What % will stand in line one hour? Three? Six? Nine? The GOP figured out in tight elections if you can move even a percent or two in tight elections you win. Hence all the attempts to make voting harder. Dems want easier access to vote because it advantages them. They also happen to be in the right.

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                                                                  • Did she ever circle back on the Air Force One color scheme? Could someone circle back to me on that?

                                                                    If you cannot see the difference in tenor from the press then I don't really give a squat what you think about press briefings. And it's not just a Trump thing.

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                                                                    • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                      Did she ever circle back on the Air Force One color scheme? Could someone circle back to me on that?

                                                                      If you cannot see the difference in tenor from the press then I don't really give a squat what you think about press briefings. And it's not just a Trump thing.
                                                                      i would see the press are less likely to get antsy when they aren't being blatantly lied to by press secretaries
                                                                      What did Davonte do?

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                                                                      • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                        At no point was this an exchange that happened. It's a really weird default for "conservatives" right now to just make stuff up when things are going poorly for them.
                                                                        Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                        Did she ever circle back on the Air Force One color scheme? Could someone circle back to me on that?

                                                                        If you cannot see the difference in tenor from the press then I don't really give a squat what you think about press briefings. And it's not just a Trump thing.
                                                                        Maybe the tenor of the press has a lot that do with the tenor and veracity of the briefer? Nah, couldn’t be.

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                                                                        • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                                                                          Maybe the tenor of the press has a lot that do with the tenor and veracity of the briefer? Nah, couldn’t be.
                                                                          So you are suggesting that if Trumps Press Secretary would've had a better "tone" that they would've gotten questions about color schemes of Air Force One and what he missed about being a candidate?????? LOL.

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                                                                          • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                            So you are suggesting that if Trumps Press Secretary would've had a better "tone" that they would've gotten questions about color schemes of Air Force One and what he missed about being a candidate?????? LOL.
                                                                            I’m sayin, from my experience, behaving like a lying asshole invites confrontation.

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                                                                            • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                                                                              I’m sayin, from my experience, behaving like a lying asshole invites confrontation.
                                                                              I agree that Trump's confrontational approach made things worse, but will you agree that there has been a double standard for some time in the way the Press Room treats Presidents from the two parties?

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                                                                              • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                I agree that Trump's confrontational approach made things worse, but will you agree that there has been a double standard for some time in the way the Press Room treats Presidents from the two parties?
                                                                                I don’t think there is. Do you think Obama and Clinton weren’t asked tough questions? I think when the press is lied to they get pissed off ... no matter which party. The real question is which party lies to the press more brazenly?

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                                                                                • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                                                                                  I don’t think there is. Do you think Obama and Clinton weren’t asked tough questions? I think when the press is lied to they get pissed off ... no matter which party. The real question is which party lies to the press more brazenly?
                                                                                  LOL, That's all I needed to know. if a Republican President or his Press Secretary was ever asked about color schemes, I would fall over.

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                                                                                  • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                                    Did she ever circle back on the Air Force One color scheme? Could someone circle back to me on that?

                                                                                    If you cannot see the difference in tenor from the press then I don't really give a squat what you think about press briefings. And it's not just a Trump thing.
                                                                                    Wow so weird that the press has a different tenor when not being routinely belittled, antagonized, and lied to. I can't possibly see why the press would have a more adversarial relationship with an administration that calls them the "enemy of the people" and lied to their faces over 30,000 times.

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                      I agree that Trump's confrontational approach made things worse, but will you agree that there has been a double standard for some time in the way the Press Room treats Presidents from the two parties?
                                                                                      Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                      LOL, That's all I needed to know. if a Republican President or his Press Secretary was ever asked about color schemes, I would fall over.
                                                                                      I can go online and find 100 questions the press has asked that were throw-away softball question. Hell, Trump packed the room with OAN and FoxNews reporters who would ask pitch them softballs. One dumb question does not a pattern make.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                                                                                        I don’t think there is. Do you think Obama and Clinton weren’t asked tough questions? I think when the press is lied to they get pissed off ... no matter which party. The real question is which party lies to the press more brazenly?
                                                                                        No one can make that statement with a straight face. If Trump cured cancer the majority of the press would organize a march in support of tumors, with Jim Acosta leading the charge.
                                                                                        The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                          Wow so weird that the press has a different tenor when not being routinely belittled, antagonized, and lied to. I can't possibly see why the press would have a more adversarial relationship with an administration that calls them the "enemy of the people" and lied to their faces over 30,000 times.
                                                                                          We are in the honeymoom period. Once the smell of moth balls and the presidents inability to complete a coherent sentence catches up to the press and their hatred of Trump tires I could see the media turning on him. Biden is the ugly rebound that just happened to be at the right place at the right time.

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by Polish Leppy 22 View Post
                                                                                            No one can make that statement with a straight face. If Trump cured cancer the majority of the press would organize a march in support of tumors, with Jim Acosta leading the charge.
                                                                                            Look. Trump was indisputably the worst president in history — completely incompetent in every conceivable way. And on top of it, he was a blatant liar and a belligerent asshole while doing it. I could make an argument that Trump got more passes from the press than anyone in history. He got away with shit that NOBODY else would get away with because he was such a dumpster fire that there wasn’t enough time in a day to report on all the shitty things he did. Meanwhile FoxNews blocked out a week of coverage about Obama wearing a tan suit.
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                                                                                            • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                              Wow so weird that the press has a different tenor when not being routinely belittled, antagonized, and lied to. I can't possibly see why the press would have a more adversarial relationship with an administration that calls them the "enemy of the people" and lied to their faces over 30,000 times.
                                                                                              Trump lied a lot and seemed to enjoy fighting with the media. Thats not a secret and a chunk of it was very much a creation of his own. Then again, there is no profession that deserves to be shit on and belittled more than them other than maybe some of the hokey college professors.

                                                                                              I'm too young to *really* remember Bush's dealings with the media, but he's a very likable guy, and I'm sure he got treated better than Donald did.

                                                                                              The best way I've seen anyone discuss Democrat dealings with the press is Ben Rhodes, was he a national security council guy or something?

                                                                                              Anyway, he straight up bragged about how easy it was to feed his talking points to young dumb reporters who'd basically create an echo chamber because it all seemed great to them.

                                                                                              Its not a secret that journalists are largely devoted Democrats. If you let me interview Jerome Bettis, or Brady Quinn, or Brian Kelly, chances are that I'll take much of what they say as established dogma unless it's really egregious. ("Actually we beat SC in '05.").

                                                                                              I recall seeing tweets from journos after the election celebrating that they will have an easier job now. I don't see why that would be the case. For the journal at school, I find it hatder to fix/edit/ check the accuracy of well written and footnoted articles than ones that are blatantly wrong. Essentially, it's easy to miss mistakes or incorrect assertions when you assume they are correct.

                                                                                              My favorite takes on liberal media generally come from Glenn Greenwald. Everyone has their token member of the opposite side they like but I think he generally does a good job articulating problems with American journalism.
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                                                                                              • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                                                Trump lied a lot and seemed to enjoy fighting with the media. Thats not a secret and a chunk of it was very much a creation of his own. Then again, there is no profession that deserves to be shit on and belittled more than them other than maybe some of the hokey college professors.

                                                                                                I'm too young to *really* remember Bush's dealings with the media, but he's a very likable guy, and I'm sure he got treated better than Donald did.

                                                                                                The best way I've seen anyone discuss Democrat dealings with the press is Ben Rhodes, was he a national security council guy or something?

                                                                                                Anyway, he straight up bragged about how easy it was to feed his talking points to young dumb reporters who'd basically create an echo chamber because it all seemed great to them.

                                                                                                Its not a secret that journalists are largely devoted Democrats. If you let me interview Jerome Bettis, or Brady Quinn, or Brian Kelly, chances are that I'll take much of what they say as established dogma unless it's really egregious. ("Actually we beat SC in '05.").

                                                                                                I recall seeing tweets from journos after the election celebrating that they will have an easier job now. I don't see why that would be the case. For the journal at school, I find it hatder to fix/edit/ check the accuracy of well written and footnoted articles than ones that are blatantly wrong. Essentially, it's easy to miss mistakes or incorrect assertions when you assume they are correct.

                                                                                                My favorite takes on liberal media generally come from Glenn Greenwald. Everyone has their token member of the opposite side they like but I think he generally does a good job articulating problems with American journalism.
                                                                                                I was young-ish, but I think his relations with the press started to sour his last few years in his 2nd term. For a President that had 9/11 in year 1, Iraq, and then ending on a sour note with the economic collapse and housing market stuff... sprinkle in the issues with Russia/Georgia I think the press did okay with Bush2. I think Jeb was probabaly seen as more deserving, I think Bush2 was seen as unqualified and slightly less polished and just riding on Dads legacy.

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by GoIrish41 View Post
                                                                                                  Look. Trump was indisputably the worst president in history — completely incompetent in every conceivable way. And on top of it, he was a blatant liar and a belligerent asshole while doing it. I could make an argument that Trump got more passes from the press than anyone in history. He got away with shit that NOBODY else would get away with because he was such a dumpster fire that there wasn’t enough time in a day to report on all the shitty things he did. Meanwhile FoxNews blocked out a week of coverage about Obama wearing a tan suit.
                                                                                                  Your opinion of Trump is irrelevant. We're talking about the media's treatment and coverage of Trump, and your head is so deep in the sand you claim there's no difference in how they handled him versus Obama or even now with Biden.

                                                                                                  People write books about this stuff so I'm not gonna waste my time writing a long, detailed response with countless examples. It's not hard to find.

                                                                                                  But hey, "if you like your plan you can keep your plan."
                                                                                                  The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                                                                                  • "W" Bush was not seen as a bright bulb at all --- definitely riding Dad's coattails and Karl Rove's strategy. A friend of mine, a life-long fiery Republican who viewed Democrats as basically lower forms of existence, told me during the primaries running up to "W's" nomination: "This guy is an empty suit." (Exact quote.)

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                                                                                                    • Cheney was the President. Make no mistake about it. Or at least co- president.
                                                                                                      "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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