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  • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

    You can "wonder" all you want but the medical evidence presented by medical proffessionals expressly ruled that out as contrbuting to death during the trial. Continuing to "wonder" is only harming any further discourse.
    Cops deal with so many OD situations they should have been more sensitive to the possibility of Floyd dying, IMO. They - not just him. But to say all those drugs had no impact is about as silly as wearing two masks outside right now. Pretending only defense witnesses are biased with an agenda is absurd - the system works hard to get a "guilty" verdict.

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    • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post



      If Adam Toledo would have greeted police like this, do you think would still be dead?

      If Ma’Khia Bryant was standing like this when the police showed up, do you think she would still be dead?

      If Jacob Blake had stood like this, do you think he would have been shot at?

      Had Michael Brown stood like this, do you think he would have been shot?

      If Daunte Wright had stood like this, do you think he would be dead?
      Lmao.

      Rittenhouse was allowed to go home, and turn himself in the next morning. Wouldn't want to leave out that little minor tid bit, now would we.

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      • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

        Im not arguing wiht you but all the people who answered the question on whether he was taught to do that or if it was a method they used, they all said no its not something they are trained to to use or approve. If they said otherwise I'll stand corrected.

        Conspiracy theorist inside me cant help thinking he was kneeling on Floyd to simulate and subsequently demean all of the kneeling inspred by Capernick and BLM. Especially that wry smile he game made me think he knew esactly what he was doing but proving that is immposible.
        No argument. Just pointing out that approved or not approved, he shouldn't have stayed on his neck once he was restrained. He should have sat him up.

        To the latter, I seriously doubt it. With everything going on at the moment, lights, sirens, a lot of officers talking, police radios squawking, bystanders yelling and he thinks back to Kaepernick kneeling?

        I posted before, I think the smile may have convicted him as much as anything provided by the prosecution.

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        • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

          Lmao.

          Rittenhouse was allowed to go home, and turn himself in the next morning. Wouldn't want to leave out that little minor tid bit, now would we.
          My understanding there was the police weren't aware of what events had just transpired. If so, would make sense to not detain the guy.

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          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

            Lmao.

            Rittenhouse was allowed to go home, and turn himself in the next morning. Wouldn't want to leave out that little minor tid bit, now would we.
            Please answer with a Yes or a No after each question.

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            • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

              My understanding there was the police weren't aware of what events had just transpired. If so, would make sense to not detain the guy.
              People also forget police are told to stand down when there is protesting/rioting/looting. They did not know who homicide Kyle was until afterward.

              https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...se-go-claim-g/

              Kenosha Police Chief Daniel Miskinis defended his department’s actions in an Aug. 28, 2020 news conference, saying the police in the vehicles didn’t see Rittenhouse as a threat and wouldn’t have heard yelling from the crowd over other noise. He said officers were more focused on the injuries and what happened down the street.

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              • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                The medical examiner didn't seem to rule that out. If I recall, he expressly said drugs and medical conditions played a role. I think his main thing was there was no indication Floyd would have died If I recall, the prosecution certainly sought to downplay the impact of drugs on his death, but they didn't need to show it had no impact, they just needed to convince the jury that Chauvin acted unlawfully and that unlawful action was a substantial (i think) cause of death.

                I dont think it's "harmful" for people to wonder. The medical examiner said the drugs and heart problems played a role. He examined the body after all. The prosecution got some hired guns that downplayed the drugs (whether they were right or wrong, only God knows).

                I think it's safe to say he acted wrongly. I've never detained anyone, but at some point things crossed a line. But the whole "some of the doctors said drugs played no role so nobody can challenge that" seems extreme.


                " THERE WAS NO INDICATION HE WOULD HAVE DIED" = no role in his death? If you can provide me a quote becasue I clearly missed that part of thier testimony. I know they said he had an enlarged heart and two low functioning arteries but they didn’t kill him. Chauvin direct actions stressed his body to the point of death. Putting your knee on anyone’s neck. Long enough will kill them. Lol

                Also my point about continuing to wonder is it does harm the ultimate understanding of the case and any truthfully honest discussion. To the point of no reasonable doubt they proved he died from the actions of Chauvin. Anything past this is injecting a bias.
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                • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                  Lmao.

                  Rittenhouse was allowed to go home, and turn himself in the next morning. Wouldn't want to leave out that little minor tid bit, now would we.
                  This is spin, misleading, and doesn't answer the questions. Please answer each question with a yes or no.


                  While we wait for this excellent response, an expert on stabbings and justice has weighed in- This is expert level trolling

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                  • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

                    This is spin, misleading, and doesn't answer the questions. Please answer each question with a yes or no.


                    While we wait for this excellent response, an expert on stabbings and justice has weighed in- This is expert level trolling

                    This is funny (sorry not sorry)
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                    • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

                      This is spin, misleading, and doesn't answer the questions. Please answer each question with a yes or no.


                      While we wait for this excellent response, an expert on stabbings and justice has weighed in- This is expert level trolling

                      Multiple reports have stated that people were shouting that he was the shooter to the police and they didn't arrest him then. I can provide a references to that being reported.

                      Why would I respond to a series of questions that are setup in a deceptive way that leaves out the most important part.

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                      • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                        Multiple reports have stated that people were shouting that he was the shooter to the police and they didn't arrest him then. I can provide a references to that being reported.

                        Why would I respond to a series of questions that are setup in a deceptive way that leaves out the most important part.
                        People were shouting that. It was also chaos. You can hear it in the video. So what? None of that is the point nor does it matter.

                        What is the most important part that I am leaving out? It's a fairly straightforward question. If any of those people approached or were greeted by the police in that position, would they have been shot? Why or why not?
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                        • New camera angle in Ohio. Also captures one of the adult males kicking a woman in the head. I don't see a police problem here. Not to say that I don't see a problem.
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                          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                            Multiple reports have stated that people were shouting that he was the shooter to the police and they didn't arrest him then. I can provide a references to that being reported.

                            Why would I respond to a series of questions that are setup in a deceptive way that leaves out the most important part.
                            If you see my comment above that was answered. Police were driving military vehicles and inside of those vehicles. They were responding to the injuries and had no clue who was the shooter. Its reported they could not hear people shouting.

                            Edit - Ill add it again

                            Kenosha Police Chief Daniel Miskinis defended his department’s actions in an Aug. 28, 2020 news conference, saying the police in the vehicles didn’t see Rittenhouse as a threat and wouldn’t have heard yelling from the crowd over other noise. He said officers were more focused on the injuries and what happened down the street.

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                            • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                              New camera angle in Ohio. Also captures one of the adult males kicking a woman in the head. I don't see a police problem here. Not to say that I don't see a problem.
                              One of the comments on that tweet ..... "mostly peaceful attempted stabbing"

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                              • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

                                People were shouting that. It was also chaos. You can hear it in the video. So what? None of that is the point nor does it matter.

                                What is the most important part that I am leaving out? It's a fairly straightforward question. If any of those people approached or were greeted by the police in that position, would they have been shot? Why or why not?
                                Just because it doesn't fit with your "point", doesn't mean it doesn't materially change the situation. You simply can't compare people yelling "he's the shooter" to any of the other situations.

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                                • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                  " THERE WAS NO INDICATION HE WOULD HAVE DIED" = no role in his death? If you can provide me a quote becasue I clearly missed that part of thier testimony. I know they said he had an enlarged heart and two low functioning arteries but they didn’t kill him. Chauvin direct actions stressed his body to the point of death. Putting your knee on anyone’s neck. Long enough will kill them. Lol

                                  Also my point about continuing to wonder is it does harm the ultimate understanding of the case and any truthfully honest discussion. To the point of no reasonable doubt they proved he died from the actions of Chauvin. Anything past this is injecting a bias.
                                  I'm not sure who is arguing he did not kill Floyd. It was obvious he was on drugs which, in my unqualified opinion, means you should take more care, not less. These cops respond to all kinds of over dose deaths and should have had more of a first responder stance - was Floyd really trying to flee or putting up a fight? What immediate threat did he pose to anyone other than himself? Then again, how often do they deal with tweaked out folks that go from submissive/passed out to Hulk Smash in a blink?

                                  I guess I thought murder required some level of intent which I haven't seen the compelling evidence of. IMO, the failure of other cops to intervene is either an indictment of those cops or a defense of Chauvin. Just because you got the result you wanted does not mean he had a fair trial. Just because he did not get a fair trial does not mean he is innocent. Just because he killed the guy doesn't mean he did it because he was black.

                                  I'm not losing any sleep over Chauvin going to the pokey - doubt many people are. I thought for sure there would be riots either way and very pleased to see I was wrong.

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                                  • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                                    Just because it doesn't fit with your "point", doesn't mean it doesn't materially change the situation. You simply can't compare people yelling "he's the shooter" to any of the other situations.
                                    Just because people talk doesn't mean anyone is listening.

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                                    • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post

                                      One of the comments on that tweet ..... "mostly peaceful attempted stabbing"
                                      If it were Killer Kyle Rittenhouse he would have had all the time in the world to slice and dice them all...

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                                      • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                        " THERE WAS NO INDICATION HE WOULD HAVE DIED" = no role in his death? If you can provide me a quote becasue I clearly missed that part of thier testimony. I know they said he had an enlarged heart and two low functioning arteries but they didn’t kill him. Chauvin direct actions stressed his body to the point of death. Putting your knee on anyone’s neck. Long enough will kill them. Lol

                                        Also my point about continuing to wonder is it does harm the ultimate understanding of the case and any truthfully honest discussion. To the point of no reasonable doubt they proved he died from the actions of Chauvin. Anything past this is injecting a bias.
                                        The death certificate literally says contributing conditions: heart disease, fentanyl, and recent meth use.

                                        If your assertion you've been trying to make is that but for Derek Chauvin and the other cops' actions, George Floyd would not have died... thats a perfectly reasonable position that almost everyone would agree with.

                                        But if you are saying "drugs and heart problems played no role in his death and anyone who questions that is wrong", then you are telling us the medical examiner is pretty awful at his job and shouldn't be trusted.

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                                        • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                                          The death certificate literally says contributing conditions: heart disease, fentanyl, and recent meth use.

                                          If your assertion you've been trying to make is that but for Derek Chauvin and the other cops' actions, George Floyd would not have died... thats a perfectly reasonable position that almost everyone would agree with.

                                          But if you are saying "drugs and heart problems played no role in his death and anyone who questions that is wrong", then you are telling us the medical examiner is pretty awful at his job and shouldn't be trusted.
                                          The reason they put those other things on the death certificate is not as casue of death but underlying physical issues the coroner identifed for data collection . The CDC requires things like that be reported.

                                          The reason he died..... was becaseu Chauvin kneeled on his neck for over 9 minutes. Ill bet you if i kneeled on your neck you wuouldnt last 10 minutes no matter what condition you are in.
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                                          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                                            Just because it doesn't fit with your "point", doesn't mean it doesn't materially change the situation. You simply can't compare people yelling "he's the shooter" to any of the other situations.
                                            ok- assume the worst. Assume they know Kyle just pulled the trigger. It doesn’t matter.

                                            if any of those people greeted the police like Kyle did, would they be alive today? Would any of them still be dead? Why or why not?

                                            You’re dodging the question. The zero accountability mindset is amazing to me.
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                                            • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                              The reason they put those other things on the death certificate is not as casue of death but underlying physical issues the coroner identifed for data collection . The CDC requires things like that be reported.
                                              "So in your opinion," Nelson asked, "both the heart disease as well as the history of hypertension and the drugs that were in his system played a role in Mr. Floyd's death?"

                                              "In my opinion, yes," Baker said.


                                              Yep. Sounds like it's just for CDC data.
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                                              • jfc...
                                                im done..



                                                "Instructions for Completing the Cause-of-Death Section of the Death Certificate Accurate cause-of-death information is important: • To the public health community in evaluating and improving the health of all citizens, and • Often to the family, now and in the future, and to the person settling the decedent's estate. The cause-of-death section consists of two parts.

                                                Part I is for reporting a chain of events leading directly to death, with the immediate cause of death (the final disease, injury, or complication directly causing death) on Line a and the underlying cause of death (the disease or injury that initiated the chain of morbid events that led directly and inevitably to death) on the lowest used line.

                                                Part II is for reporting all other significant diseases, conditions, or injuries that contributed to death but which did not result in the underlying cause of death given in Part I. The cause-of-death information should be YOUR best medical OPINION. A condition can be listed as “probable” even if it has not been definitively diagnosed."-CDC Instructions on how to fill out a death certificate.

                                                There was no determination made on the extent of involvement of these "contributing factors". There is no way to determine if the fent was a problem. By all accounts he did not display any physcially obvious issues for someone dying of an OD on fent (this was expressely dismissed in the testimony). Again why is ht a matter? He died from the kneeling by Chauvin. "OH NO A BLACK MAN HAD DRUGS IN HIS SYSTEM WHEN A COP KNEELED ON HIS NECK FOR 10 MINUTES KILLINGHIM. THE BLACK GUY DESERVED IT!!!!!

                                                Its fucking wierd man let it go.
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                                                • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

                                                  ok- assume the worst. Assume they know Kyle just pulled the trigger. It doesn’t matter.

                                                  if any of those people greeted the police like Kyle did, would they be alive today? Would any of them still be dead? Why or why not?

                                                  You’re dodging the question. The zero accountability mindset is amazing to me.
                                                  Wait - so now we're changing facts. They had windows of their cruisers open, they could hear. Even though it was about to turn into Tiananmen square.

                                                  It doesn't matter? lmao it changes everything that he was allowed to go home. You can not tell me voluntarily turning yourself in is the same as any of those situations.

                                                  Adam Toledo "greeted" the police with empty hands, didn't work out so hot for him.

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                                                  • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                                                    Wait - so now we're changing facts. They had windows of their cruisers open, they could hear. Even though it was about to turn into Tiananmen square.

                                                    It doesn't matter? lmao it changes everything that he was allowed to go home. You can not tell me voluntarily turning yourself in is the same as any of those situations.

                                                    Adam Toledo "greeted" the police with empty hands, didn't work out so hot for him.
                                                    Adam Toledo fled the police, he did not stand there with his hands up. He also tossed his gun less than one second before. So had he not fled, like Kyle, and had he put his hands up, would he have been killed? The answer is no.

                                                    The answer to all of these instances is NO. In every single case, the person would be alive today. Is that what you are working so hard not to say? Why is it so hard to admit that?

                                                    So you could then say that Kyle being white is not why he is alive today and that these people being black isn't why they are dead. I read that you want everything to be hopelessly racist, but actions matter here.



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                                                    • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                      jfc...
                                                      im done..



                                                      "Instructions for Completing the Cause-of-Death Section of the Death Certificate Accurate cause-of-death information is important: • To the public health community in evaluating and improving the health of all citizens, and • Often to the family, now and in the future, and to the person settling the decedent's estate. The cause-of-death section consists of two parts.

                                                      Part I is for reporting a chain of events leading directly to death, with the immediate cause of death (the final disease, injury, or complication directly causing death) on Line a and the underlying cause of death (the disease or injury that initiated the chain of morbid events that led directly and inevitably to death) on the lowest used line.

                                                      Part II is for reporting all other significant diseases, conditions, or injuries that contributed to death but which did not result in the underlying cause of death given in Part I. The cause-of-death information should be YOUR best medical OPINION. A condition can be listed as “probable” even if it has not been definitively diagnosed."
                                                      No one has suggested otherwise that I'm aware of. Saw all of this on the TV.

                                                      Are you telling us Dr. Baker was wrong or lying?

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                                                      • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post

                                                        Adam Toledo fled the police, he did not stand there with his hands up. He also tossed his gun less than one second before. So had he not fled, like Kyle, and had he put his hands up, would he have been killed? The answer is no.

                                                        The answer to all of these instances is NO. In every single case, the person would be alive today. Is that what you are working so hard not to say? Why is it so hard to admit that?

                                                        So you could then say that Kyle being white is not why he is alive today and that these people being black isn't why they are dead. I read that you want everything to be hopelessly racist, but actions matter here.


                                                        It takes a special kind of person to say crossing state boundaries to go home after killing two people is not fleeing.

                                                        Nuance is required for a KR, but nope AT had it coming. C'est la vie. Enjoy your night, we aren't going to get each other to agree on it.

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                                                        • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                                                          No one has suggested otherwise that I'm aware of. Saw all of this on the TV.

                                                          Are you telling us Dr. Baker was wrong or lying?
                                                          What is so hard about this? Im not denying Dr. Baker or the DC. Its on the DC what the cause of death is. Other things observed inthe autopsy as contributing factors are listed on the DC becasue its required to be. Ok so he had an enlarged heart which made blood flow slower.. So he died in 9 minutes instead of 11? Ok So fucking what. He had drugs in his system which didnt indicate any physcial changes to his behavior while under duress by being choked that any normal person would ( i saw that on the TV). So fucking what? He would have died just the same without the other items listed in Part II on the DC ( Isaw that on the TV). What the fuck does it matter if he had drugs in his system other than trying to muddy the waters that Chauvins actions didnt directly lead to him murdering him. Well yes he had drugs in his sytem. He had an enlarged heart and none of that measn fuck all on how Chauvin choked him to death....
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                                                          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                                                            It takes a special kind of person to say crossing state boundaries to go home after killing two people is not fleeing.

                                                            Nuance is required for a KR, but nope AT had it coming. C'est la vie. Enjoy your night, we aren't going to get each other to agree on it.
                                                            Which cops were pursuing him? Were his actions flawless? No, but to compare the chase with the kid in Chicago is dishonest. The state boundaries thing is a joke, it was like 10 miles.

                                                            Even you know your logic holds no water and that is why you keep running from the question. Stick to your false narrative.
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                                                            • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                              He would have died just the same without them.
                                                              Do we know that?

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                                                              • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                                                                Do we know that?
                                                                Not sure if it really matters, at least legally anyhow. They said in Minnesota the defendant must be deemed a substantial causal factor in the death, but needn’t be the only one.

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                                                                • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                                                                  Do we know that?
                                                                  Lmao
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                                                                  • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                                    Lmao
                                                                    Dr. Baker: "No pulse, no breathing. And, in my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take, by virtue of that — those heart conditions."

                                                                    Sure seems as though Dr. Baker was suggesting there that had Mr. Floyd not had heart conditions (one of them pesky contributing factors), he'd have survived.

                                                                    On the other hand, one of their hired guns said anyone would have died. So who knows...
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                                                                    • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post

                                                                      Not sure if it really matters, at least legally anyhow. They said in Minnesota the defendant must be deemed a substantial causal factor in the death, but needn’t be the only one.
                                                                      Nope. Doesn't matter legally I don't think. I think it's purely a curiosity some people have.
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                                                                      • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                                                                        Dr. Baker: "No pulse, no breathing. And, in my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take, by virtue of that — those heart conditions."

                                                                        Sure seems as though Dr. Baker was suggesting there that had Mr. Floyd not had heart conditions (one of them pesky contributing factors), he'd have survived.

                                                                        On the other hand, one of their hired guns said anyone would have died. So who knows...
                                                                        I’m sure if that is what he was saying it would have been included in Part I of the official direct cause of death.
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                                                                        • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                                          I’m sure if that is what he was saying it would have been included in Part I of the official direct cause of death.
                                                                          Why would he put an indirect cause of death in the direct section?



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                                                                          • If I jump a 50 year old and he dies can I get off by claiming if he were 20 he would have survived his wounds? 10% if intubated COVID 20 year olds die. It jumps to close to 50% in 70 year olds. If a 70 year old dies of COVID ARDS should we actually blame his age and not the virus?

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                                                                            • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                                              If you think this... why? All medical experts testified that that was 100% not the cause of his death except the defense's hired gun who made up every reasonunder the sun other than what actally killed him (virtually his entire testimony folded under cross examination as nothing more than unfounded specualtion).
                                                                              i don't remember if which medical examiner it was flat out said on the stand that if Floyd was found on the street corner and brought in the would have ruled his death an overdose. He had the medical examiner report had that he had almost 4 times the lethal dose in his system. That's a lot.

                                                                              I know that not many other get the opportunity to give Narcan. It is not fun and at times can make the situation a shit show. When you take the high completely away no only are the needing their high but they are confused and pissed. I have seen more than i would care to see in the last year of overdoses. A normal dose of heroin with some fentanyl in it will knock people out and put people in a life or death situation.
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                                                                              • Originally posted by irishff1014 View Post

                                                                                i don't remember if which medical examiner it was flat out said on the stand that if Floyd was found on the street corner and brought in the would have ruled his death an overdose. He had the medical examiner report had that he had almost 4 times the lethal dose in his system. That's a lot.

                                                                                I know that not many other get the opportunity to give Narcan. It is not fun and at times can make the situation a shit show. When you take the high completely away no only are the needing their high but they are confused and pissed. I have seen more than i would care to see in the last year of overdoses. A normal dose of heroin with some fentanyl in it will knock people out and put people in a life or death situation.
                                                                                This isn't true and nor what was said during the trial. You really have to question the motives of people who continue to push the propaganda that Floyd's drug levels were outrageously high.

                                                                                On the one hand, the toxicology report has proven this completely false. It takes 2 seconds to debunk this theory.

                                                                                But even if someone wasn't familiar with a toxicology report--or like we've seen so many times--likes to distort testimony from doctors to push a false theory you'd still have to grapple with the common sense of someone driving and walking around a store with 4 TIMES THE LETHAL DOSE. How stupid do you think people are to buy that?

                                                                                I know this is something you just read on The Blaze or wherever but damn. Floyd had fentanyl equivalents of like 2 beers in his system and you think people should buy the lie that he had the equivalent of like 86 beers in his system. It's absurd.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post

                                                                                  This isn't true and nor what was said during the trial. You really have to question the motives of people who continue to push the propaganda that Floyd's drug levels were outrageously high.

                                                                                  On the one hand, the toxicology report has proven this completely false. It takes 2 seconds to debunk this theory.

                                                                                  But even if someone wasn't familiar with a toxicology report--or like we've seen so many times--likes to distort testimony from doctors to push a false theory you'd still have to grapple with the common sense of someone driving and walking around a store with 4 TIMES THE LETHAL DOSE. How stupid do you think people are to buy that?

                                                                                  I know this is something you just read on The Blaze or wherever but damn. Floyd had fentanyl equivalents of like 2 beers in his system and you think people should buy the lie that he had the equivalent of like 86 beers in his system. It's absurd.
                                                                                  Yes. That lie has been debunked many times over but still wont go away. Clearly.
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                                                                                  • Originally posted by PerthDomer View Post
                                                                                    If I jump a 50 year old and he dies can I get off by claiming if he were 20 he would have survived his wounds? 10% if intubated COVID 20 year olds die. It jumps to close to 50% in 70 year olds. If a 70 year old dies of COVID ARDS should we actually blame his age and not the virus?
                                                                                    My wife's grandmother went into the hospital for a hysterectomy. Through hospital negligence she developed an infection>>>>> pneumonia and dies after being weakened from the hysterectomy surgery. Her death certificate says she died of pneumonia. Also listed were her historic hypertension, damage to lungs from years of smoking, and weakened state from the surgery as contributing factors.....but she got the infection from the hosptials negligent actions.
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                                                                                    • Lebron James is a top 5 all time NBA player. And he's also a mental midget.
                                                                                      The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                                                                      • This really isn’t that difficult. Holy shit. The right verdict was delivered. This guy Chauvin is an absolute POS. I am an ardent PD supporter and have many friends and family on the job. To a person they all agree he was wrong. Once the cuffs are on, it’s over. He was no longer trying to subdue Floyd and though he was behaving erratic leading up to the arrest, Floyd was not a threat after he was cuffed.
                                                                                        Some other points:
                                                                                        The police feed prisoners. Sometimes sandwiches. Sometimes Burger King. This is normal.
                                                                                        Police need better training. They actually don’t train when they leave the academy. They do yearly range qualifications. Minimum standards to maintain. This must change. Minimum quals aren’t cutting it when life and death decisions are made. They also need more tools physically before needing to escalate to deadly force. Every cop should be trained in Jiu-Jitsu to learn how to subdue larger and more physically imposing perps. The more tools you have physically, the less likely situations will be to escalate to deadly force. This is including some holds that are currently against regulations. Some variants of “choke” holds. I
                                                                                        Cops aren’t shooting guns out of people’s hands or shooting people in the leg. They shoot center mass.

                                                                                        I have more but am in a rush. There are a lot of good dudes on this site. Keep the discussion civil. We can all learn a bit.

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by FDNYIrish1 View Post
                                                                                          This really isn’t that difficult. Holy shit. The right verdict was delivered. This guy Chauvin is an absolute POS. I am an ardent PD supporter and have many friends and family on the job. To a person they all agree he was wrong. Once the cuffs are on, it’s over. He was no longer trying to subdue Floyd and though he was behaving erratic leading up to the arrest, Floyd was not a threat after he was cuffed.
                                                                                          Some other points:
                                                                                          The police feed prisoners. Sometimes sandwiches. Sometimes Burger King. This is normal.
                                                                                          Police need better training. They actually don’t train when they leave the academy. They do yearly range qualifications. Minimum standards to maintain. This must change. Minimum quals aren’t cutting it when life and death decisions are made. They also need more tools physically before needing to escalate to deadly force. Every cop should be trained in Jiu-Jitsu to learn how to subdue larger and more physically imposing perps. The more tools you have physically, the less likely situations will be to escalate to deadly force. This is including some holds that are currently against regulations. Some variants of “choke” holds. I
                                                                                          Cops aren’t shooting guns out of people’s hands or shooting people in the leg. They shoot center mass.

                                                                                          I have more but am in a rush. There are a lot of good dudes on this site. Keep the discussion civil. We can all learn a bit.
                                                                                          Sounds like somebody has been listening to Sam Harris. I listed to a great deal of his stuff and he had an entire episode on this recently. Fascinating stuff, especially how undertrained our police force is. We need to find a way to to pay better and ensure a certain number of hours/week are devoted to training (weapons, combat, etc).

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by Trait Expectations View Post

                                                                                            Sounds like somebody has been listening to Sam Harris. I listed to a great deal of his stuff and he had an entire episode on this recently. Fascinating stuff, especially how undertrained our police force is. We need to find a way to to pay better and ensure a certain number of hours/week are devoted to training (weapons, combat, etc).
                                                                                            NYPD needs a contract with Khabib Nurmagamedov and Georges St. Pierre. I haven't trained for wrestling in over a decade but I've still been able to restrain belligerent drunk friends on a few occasions (obviously not the same but you get the point).

                                                                                            Joking aside, more training would be good. But that does take more money, and probably more standards that many police can't meet.

                                                                                            In some places, simply paying better might help? I know our local PD gets paid peanuts but I've also seen that some larger city PD's pay pretty well.


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                                                                                            • Originally posted by PerthDomer View Post
                                                                                              If I jump a 50 year old and he dies can I get off by claiming if he were 20 he would have survived his wounds? 10% if intubated COVID 20 year olds die. It jumps to close to 50% in 70 year olds. If a 70 year old dies of COVID ARDS should we actually blame his age and not the virus?
                                                                                              So you’re comparing being 50 and 70 with having a deadly amount drugs in your system?

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                                                                My wife's grandmother went into the hospital for a hysterectomy. Through hospital negligence she developed an infection>>>>> pneumonia and dies after being weakened from the hysterectomy surgery. Her death certificate says she died of pneumonia. Also listed were her historic hypertension, damage to lungs from years of smoking, and weakened state from the surgery as contributing factors.....but she got the infection from the hosptials negligent actions.
                                                                                                Was the hospital charged with 3 counts of murder/manslaughter?

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post

                                                                                                  Was the hospital charged with 3 counts of murder/manslaughter?
                                                                                                  They were ultimately charged with and agreed to negligence resulting in the death of their patient in their care. This was a settlement which did not proced to a trial. What does it matter? Chauvin originally accepted a plea deal and then Barr allowed it to be undone and allow a jury trial wher Chauvin was charged with his crimes. Had we not settled, yes there would have been more severe charges levied.
                                                                                                  "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post

                                                                                                    So you’re comparing being 50 and 70 with having a deadly amount drugs in your system?
                                                                                                    The point he and I are making is the extent of the contributing factors were merely noted on a circumstancial basis and are really only noted on the DC for information purposes, therefore are much less important than the ACTUAL FUCKING REASON he died. How much longer would a man with 521 g heart have lasted being kneed upon versus a man with a 540g heart? Dont htink that was asked.
                                                                                                    "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                                                                      They were ultimately charged with and agreed to negligence resulting in the death of their patient in their care. This was a settlement which did not proced to a trial. What does it matter? Chauvin originally accepted a plea deal and then Barr allowed it to be undone and allow a jury trial wher Chauvin was charged with his crimes. Had we not settled, yes there would have been more severe charges levied.
                                                                                                      Pretty crass to chide someone's mother-in-law's death, to simp for Derek Chauvin.

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