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  • 2016 Presidential Horse Race

    This thread is to have a snap shot of who is running for president; and what and how they are doing. I'll update this OP as things change so people have easy reference to who's in and who's out.

    Donald Trump Republican nominee - Mike Pence (Gov IN) as VP partner
    Clinton presumptive Democratic nominee
    Gary Johnson (former R- Gov of New Mexico) wins Libertarian nomination; William Weld (former R- Gov of Massachusetts) picked as Vice Presidential running mate


    Upcoming Scheduled Debates & things

    July 18-21, 2016
    Republican National Convention - Cleveland, Ohio

    July 25-28, 2016
    Democratic National Convention - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

    September 26, 2016 (President Debate)
    October 4, 2016 (Vice President Debate)
    October 9, 2016 (President Debate)
    October 19, 2016 (President Debate)

    Primary and Caucuses (delegates available)
    June 14, 2016
    Washington D.C. (D: 20)

    Recent Results

    Clinton presumptive D nominee


    Announced

    Republican:
    Donald Trump (King of Hair and Hubris - real estate mogul/casino bankrupter) https://www.donaldjtrump.com/

    Democrat:
    Hillary Clinton (former Sec. of State; former Sen - NY) https://www.hillaryclinton.com/
    Bernie Sanders (I) (Sen - VT) https://berniesanders.com/


    Independent / 3rd party
    Dr. Jill Stein (Green) (MA) Jill Stein for President
    Gary Johnson (former Gov - NM) https://www.garyjohnson2016.com/



    Dropped Out
    Jeb Bush (former Gov - FL) (R)
    Ben Carson (neurosurgeon) (R)
    Lincoln Chafee (former Republican and Independent Sen and Gov - RI) (D)
    Chris Christie (Gov - NJ) (R)
    Ted Cruz (Sen - TX) (R)
    Mark Everson (former IRS commisioner MS) (R)
    Carly Fiorina (former CEO of Hewlett-Packard) (R)
    Jim Gilmore (former Gov VA) (R)
    Mike Huckabee (former Gov - AR) (R)
    Bobby Jindal (Gov - LA) (R)
    John Kasich (Gov - OH) (R)
    Lawrence Lessig (Harvard Law School Professor) (D)
    Martin O'Malley (former Gov - MD) (D)
    George Pataki (former Gov - NY) (R)
    Randall "Rand" Paul (Sen - KY) (R)
    Rick Perry (Gov - TX) (R)
    Marco Rubio (Sen - FL) (R)
    Rick Santorum (former Sen - PA) (R)
    Scott Walker (Gov - WI) (R)
    Jim Webb (former Sen - VA) (D) *may run as an Independent
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    Just cover, baby

  • #2
    I don't really have a party identity, but find the presidential politics and races fascinating. With no incumbent, it should be fun to watch both sides put on a show.

    Early interest shows there are a lot of Republicans looking to further their career. The Democrats may be ceding the nomination to Hillary, but my instinct says she will not pull it off.

    Some insiders I hear from say to watch out for Brian Sandoval. He hasn't been listed on any sites I've seen, but I've added him here as he could be a non-polarizing figure that would play well to independents - but could he get through the far right states?
    I feel the Dems need an outsider as Biden and Cliton have a lot of baggage in too many people's opinions. O'Malley could be a good option, but lacks name recognition.
    Just cover, baby

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    • #3
      I think I already need to shower just thinking about the next races...
      The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
      Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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      • #4
        Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden have no shot of being the next president. President Obama has been one of the most unpopular presidents in history there is no way his VP is going to use that as a spring board to the big office.

        The thought of Hillary vs. Jeb gives me Ebola.
        "It is so much easier to live placidly and complacently. Of course, to live placidly and complacently is not to live at all."-Jack London

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        • #5
          I would love to see Clinton vs Bush just so a third party actually forms as a result.

          I'd love to see Warren vs Paul though. Hell I'd love them on the same ticket.

          John Kasich will almost certainly run, and I think he'd be a formidable candidate. I'm not the biggest fan of his, but I don't really dislike him either. He has been good for Ohio, all things considered. A Paul/Kasich ticket would be something else.

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          • #6
            Vermin Supreme

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            • #7
              Elizabeth Warren in the "top tier" is a joke right??

              Pretty uninspiring group of candidates on both sides. Id like to see Kasich for all the reasons Buster mentioned.

              My dark horse would be Bobby Jindal. Just comes off as pretty down to earth. Very intelligent and can talk. Would bring some youth and diversity to the party.

              I could see a Jindal/Haley ticket. Give the female VP idea another try after McCain botched it so badly. Could be necessary too if Hillary is indeed the Dems candidate.

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              • #8
                Why isn't Warren in the top tier? She is the only alternative to Clinton right now.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Buster Bluth View Post
                  I'd love to see Warren vs Paul though. Hell I'd love them on the same ticket.
                  How would the Socialist and the Libertarian end up on the same ticket?

                  #StandWithRand

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                  • #10
                    I think Gov. Kasich is one of the Republican front runners already. He got a ton of publicity on election night and the talking heads talked about him quite a bit. And Ohio likes him and he can deliver the state.

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                    • #11
                      I'm most interested in the "semifinals" of the Republican primary. I think whichever faction can narrow down the field to one front runner will be able to pull ahead and win. The Karl Rove establishment wing will be choosing between Bush, Christie, Perry, and possibly Romney. The hybrid libertarian / tea party wing will be choosing between Rand and Cruz. Rubio falls somewhere in between. If either side can unite behind one guy, they might be able to ride infighting among the other side to victory.

                      Bush - I can't imagine there's any appetite in the country (including the GOP primary voters) for another Bush candidate. I know every man is his own man and shouldn't be pinned to his family... but still.

                      Romney - Unfortunately, "rich people don't care about regular people" is an effective political argument in 2014 America, and I don't see any reason why Romney would be able to overcome it this time when he couldn't last time. "Out of touch" should be an effective campaign point in the Republicans' favor this cycle (how often does that happen?) if they can paint the Clintons as America's "royal family." A Romney candidacy torpedoes that strategy.

                      Christie - I feel like there are a number of skeletons in his closet along the lines of #Bridgegate that haven't come out yet. He also faces the Romneyesque challenge of being a moderate to liberal Republican in a blue state. That's a lose-lose scenario, since he's not conservative enough to win the primary and the Republicans aren't winning any states east of Pennsylvania anyways, so you don't gain anything in the general election. Also, the optics of being a boisterous overweight Sicilian guy from Newark plays right into the hands of the late night comedians.

                      Perry - Plays well in Texas, not so much in the rest of the country. I think the electorate is still hungover from eight years of "cowboy conservatism." I also have serious doubts about his ability to perform in debates. Even before the "oops" moment of 2011, he hadn't been performing well in that arena.

                      Rubio - Probably the "safest" choice and the one who has the most crossover appeal between GOP establishment types and the party base. "Cuban guy from Florida" ticks the Republicans' target demo, but Rubio has irritated a number of "hard line" conservatives with some fairly soft immigration reform legislation.

                      Cruz - Probably the candidate most hated by the media. I'm not sure why he gets torched by the talking heads so much more than Rand, but he does. I don't think it's fair at all, but the label of "extremist" has stuck, and it would take a hell of a PR effort to overcome that.

                      Paul - His brand of libertarian conservatism has the most crossover appeal to general election voters who are uncomfortable with the GOP's stance on drugs and gay marriage. During the primaries, Paul should be able to effectively punt on those issues by pleading "federalism" and deferring to the states. His bigger challenge in the primary will be on national defense, where he'll be painted as a Ron Paul isolationist. The declining national appetite for interventionism should help him there, but I don't know if it will be enough to win over the red-blooded national defense conservatives who love them some war.

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/op...t&emc=rss&_r=1

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                      • #12
                        I'd love a similar breakdown of the Democratic field. I have no idea how the base views the candidates. My outsider's perspective is that Hillary is a fait accompli, but I'm sure it's not that simple.

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                        • #13
                          Stand with Rand dude... I've been waiting for a candidate like this for a long time. Libertarian leaning guy with a common sense approach about foreign policy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sureal View Post
                            Stand with Rand dude... I've been waiting for a candidate like this for a long time. Libertarian leaning guy with a common sense approach about foreign policy.
                            Exactly. Only problem I see is the Republican party makes these candidates pander to the conservative elites to raise the necessary funds...

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                            • #15
                              Conservative elites love them some Cruz. If Rubio holds the line on his immigration stance, and he can get through the primary, he'll be tough to beat.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by GowerND11 View Post
                                Exactly. Only problem I see is the Republican party makes these candidates pander to the conservative elites to raise the necessary funds...
                                Rand seems to be going the Silicon Valley route. There's plenty of money out there and it isn't from the "conservative elite." He could do very well fundraising with the tech/privacy crowd. He also has instant credibility with college students, which is extremely valuable from a ground game (if not fundraising) perspective.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                  Rand seems to be going the Silicon Valley route. There's plenty of money out there and it isn't from the "conservative elite." He could do very well fundraising with the tech/privacy crowd. He also has instant credibility with college students, which is extremely valuable from a ground game (if not fundraising) perspective.
                                  I agree. I really like Rand, and surely hope he can get enough funding through that route. It would be nice, since he does have the credibility, to see the college aged voters to come out en masse to support him.

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                                  • #18
                                    This thread has the potential to top "Rumored Violations" as there are so many directions these races can go. Of course I'm assuming we all care as much about our next Pres as we do about who was going to get re-instated.

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                                    • #19
                                      I don't see Paul, Cruz or Rubio really having much of a chance to get through the primary. None of these individuals have the necessary executive experience, and given the disaster that Obama has been from an administrative point of view, it is very likely that the Republican nominee will be a sitting governor, and unless they totally screw-up it will probably be either Kasich, Walker or Perry.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by MJ12666 View Post
                                        I don't see Paul, Cruz or Rubio really having much of a chance to get through the primary. None of these individuals have the necessary executive experience, and given the disaster that Obama has been from an administrative point of view, it is very likely that the Republican nominee will be a sitting governor, and unless they totally screw-up it will probably be either Kasich, Walker or Perry.
                                        I think "exciting candidate" will trump "executive experience." People like Karl Rove will say "we need to nominate a governor to have a chance of winning," and the base will respond "we listened to you with Mittens and he shit the bed. No thanks."

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                                        • #21
                                          Haven't seen much of Kasich, can't give an opinion there. As much as I like Walker, I don't think he has the gravitas and Perry is a tool. If Romney couldn't beat a half term Senator with zero experience then I really don't see him getting a second chance, especially with Obamacare. Dems could essentially throw that anchor around Romney's neck and laugh all the way to the Oval Office.

                                          I will hold out hope that if Rand Paul doesn't win the nomination, he runs independent. It would be nice to actually vote FOR somebody this cycle. Cruz has been too marginalized to be taken seriously and I really think Ron Paul's rabid followers could be corralled to pull some grass roots magic for Rand if those nuts could swallow their pride for a minute and accept a less than "perfect" candidate.

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                            Haven't seen much of Kasich, can't give an opinion there. As much as I like Walker, I don't think he has the gravitas and Perry is a tool. If Romney couldn't beat a half term Senator with zero experience then I really don't see him getting a second chance, especially with Obamacare. Dems could essentially throw that anchor around Romney's neck and laugh all the way to the Oval Office.

                                            I will hold out hope that if Rand Paul doesn't win the nomination, he runs independent. It would be nice to actually vote FOR somebody this cycle. Cruz has been too marginalized to be taken seriously and I really think Ron Paul's rabid followers could be corralled to pull some grass roots magic for Rand if those nuts could swallow their pride for a minute and accept a less than "perfect" candidate.
                                            Agree with everything. Some of the Ron Paul people are pretty far out there. I've even heard Rand Paul referred to as a "neocon" SMH.

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                              Agree with everything. Some of the Ron Paul people are pretty far out there. I've even heard Rand Paul referred to as a "neocon" SMH.
                                              That attitude keeps them from making any progress on what should be their primary issue - Federalism. Push both parties for promoters smaller government and your 10% gets pretty influential, pretty fast.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                I'm most interested in the "semifinals" of the Republican primary. I think whichever faction can narrow down the field to one front runner will be able to pull ahead and win. The Karl Rove establishment wing will be choosing between Bush, Christie, Perry, and possibly Romney. The hybrid libertarian / tea party wing will be choosing between Rand and Cruz. Rubio falls somewhere in between. If either side can unite behind one guy, they might be able to ride infighting among the other side to victory.

                                                Bush - I can't imagine there's any appetite in the country (including the GOP primary voters) for another Bush candidate. I know every man is his own man and shouldn't be pinned to his family... but still.

                                                Romney - Unfortunately, "rich people don't care about regular people" is an effective political argument in 2014 America, and I don't see any reason why Romney would be able to overcome it this time when he couldn't last time. "Out of touch" should be an effective campaign point in the Republicans' favor this cycle (how often does that happen?) if they can paint the Clintons as America's "royal family." A Romney candidacy torpedoes that strategy.

                                                Christie - I feel like there are a number of skeletons in his closet along the lines of #Bridgegate that haven't come out yet. He also faces the Romneyesque challenge of being a moderate to liberal Republican in a blue state. That's a lose-lose scenario, since he's not conservative enough to win the primary and the Republicans aren't winning any states east of Pennsylvania anyways, so you don't gain anything in the general election. Also, the optics of being a boisterous overweight Sicilian guy from Newark plays right into the hands of the late night comedians.

                                                Perry - Plays well in Texas, not so much in the rest of the country. I think the electorate is still hungover from eight years of "cowboy conservatism." I also have serious doubts about his ability to perform in debates. Even before the "oops" moment of 2011, he hadn't been performing well in that arena.

                                                Rubio - Probably the "safest" choice and the one who has the most crossover appeal between GOP establishment types and the party base. "Cuban guy from Florida" ticks the Republicans' target demo, but Rubio has irritated a number of "hard line" conservatives with some fairly soft immigration reform legislation.

                                                Cruz - Probably the candidate most hated by the media. I'm not sure why he gets torched by the talking heads so much more than Rand, but he does. I don't think it's fair at all, but the label of "extremist" has stuck, and it would take a hell of a PR effort to overcome that.

                                                Paul - His brand of libertarian conservatism has the most crossover appeal to general election voters who are uncomfortable with the GOP's stance on drugs and gay marriage. During the primaries, Paul should be able to effectively punt on those issues by pleading "federalism" and deferring to the states. His bigger challenge in the primary will be on national defense, where he'll be painted as a Ron Paul isolationist. The declining national appetite for interventionism should help him there, but I don't know if it will be enough to win over the red-blooded national defense conservatives who love them some war.

                                                http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/op...t&emc=rss&_r=1

                                                I, too, would like to see a Democrat poster do this for a chunk of the more likely Democrat candidates, please.
                                                Fan since Vagas Ferguson and Jerome Heavens!

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                                                • #25
                                                  Does anyone truly think Biden is a viable candidate? That is outside of (God forbid)anything happening to Obama and Biden getting the sympathy/continuation of government vote so close after taking over.
                                                  Fan since Vagas Ferguson and Jerome Heavens!

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Originally posted by connor_in View Post
                                                    Does anyone truly think Biden is a viable candidate?
                                                    I hope so. The only thing that could get the late night comedians on the side of the GOP would be a Biden nomination.

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                                                    • #27
                                                      Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                      I hope so .
                                                      I had the same thought, if you want a GOP member in the White House, then Biden winning the Dem nomination may be one of the few things that can make that happen.
                                                      This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                      • #28
                                                        Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                        Haven't seen much of Kasich, can't give an opinion there. As much as I like Walker, I don't think he has the gravitas and Perry is a tool. If Romney couldn't beat a half term Senator with zero experience then I really don't see him getting a second chance, especially with Obamacare. Dems could essentially throw that anchor around Romney's neck and laugh all the way to the Oval Office.

                                                        I will hold out hope that if Rand Paul doesn't win the nomination, he runs independent. It would be nice to actually vote FOR somebody this cycle. Cruz has been too marginalized to be taken seriously and I really think Ron Paul's rabid followers could be corralled to pull some grass roots magic for Rand if those nuts could swallow their pride for a minute and accept a less than "perfect" candidate.
                                                        I think Kasich could sneak in there though I'm not sure he wants to jump in. I'd like to see him and Haley on the ticket. He carried Ohio with 64% of the vote but it was a weak opponent and a low voter turnout, but he has executive experience and has done well for OH. It's too bad for Jeb that his brother got there first because i think he would be much more effective. The Dems would attach him to his brother pretty easily. Like what Walker has done but would be a lightning rod and still reminds me of my little brother.

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Originally posted by Buster Bluth View Post
                                                          Why isn't Warren in the top tier? She is the only alternative to Clinton right now.
                                                          Your'e right she could probably boost Native American turnout.......

                                                          Originally posted by MJ12666 View Post
                                                          I don't see Paul, Cruz or Rubio really having much of a chance to get through the primary. None of these individuals have the necessary executive experience, and given the disaster that Obama has been from an administrative point of view, it is very likely that the Republican nominee will be a sitting governor, and unless they totally screw-up it will probably be either Kasich, Walker or Perry.
                                                          No way he's damaged goods. A moderately well spoken candidate would talk circles around Perry. There also will be some carry over resentment from Bush Jr as another good ole Texas boy.

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Warner v. Rand Paul would be my best case scenario for our country. I think both guys are pretty darn pragmatic and results driven individuals, and are also intelligent guys. Paul is a bit... out there... on some things, but Warner is incredibly moderate and has demonstrated the ability to work across party lines on many occasions at many levels of government.

                                                            I think Hillary would be a disaster, as would a number of Republican candidates. Everyone expects Hillary to just be crowned the Democratic nominee and that she'll win easily on account of the female vote. I think she's way too polarizing to get anything done while in power.

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                                                            • #31
                                                              My breakdown of those GOP candidates...

                                                              The "kill me now.." group":

                                                              Ted Cruz
                                                              Rick Perry
                                                              Ben Carson
                                                              Mike Huckabee
                                                              Rick Santorum
                                                              Paul Ryan

                                                              The "oh fuck please no" group:

                                                              Jeb Bush
                                                              Marco Rubio
                                                              Scott Walker

                                                              The "warmer...warmer...." group:

                                                              Chris Christie

                                                              The "I can live with that" group:

                                                              Rand Paul
                                                              Bobby Jindal
                                                              John Kasich
                                                              Mitt Romney

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                                                              • #32
                                                                Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                How would the Socialist and the Libertarian end up on the same ticket?

                                                                #StandWithRand
                                                                Yeah that's why it won't happen obviously. But they do have plenty of similarities, mainly the dismantling of the corporatist state, which in my opinion is the single biggest problem in America. They are the only two people who have better than 1% odds of getting a party nomination.

                                                                Ralph Nader latest book is all about convergence points where the Right and Left agree. You might want to check it out. It's called Unstoppable.

                                                                Here's an excerpt from a Wall Street Journal review:

                                                                In the battle to defend free markets, it is not always easy to know who your friends and enemies are. In "Unstoppable," Ralph Nader argues that there are in fact surprising areas of convergence between the left and the right in the battle against corporate statism. Convergence, he believes, is especially needed now: Statist forces have grown dramatically in recent years, pushing for massive bailouts of financial institutions and taxpayer subsidies to major corporations.

                                                                Mr. Nader, the consumer crusader who ran for president to the left of Al Gore, is perhaps the last person one would expect to admire a libertarian critique of the corporate state. But in "Unstoppable" he respectfully describes the views of Ludwig Von Mises, Friedrich von Hayek, Milton Friedman, George Stigler and other free-market economists. He praises their distrust of politicians, lobbyists and businessmen who seek to put government power in the service of corporate profit.

                                                                Not that the Republican Party is always guided by such thinkers. Mr. Nader neatly describes how corporatist RINOs (Republican In Name Only) co-opt the party's anti-statist crusaders. "The corporatist Republicans," he writes, "let the libertarians and conservatives have the paper platforms . . . and then move into office, where they are quick to throw out a welcome mat for Big Business lobbyists with their slush funds." He cites Adam Smith's suspicion of regulations that benefit special interests: "Such restraints favor the privileged interests that want to entrench their economic advantages through the force of law."
                                                                Simply saying, even someone who considers themselves primarily a socialist has plenty to agree with when it comes to libertarianism at the federal level.
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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Originally posted by connor_in View Post
                                                                  Does anyone truly think Biden is a viable candidate? That is outside of (God forbid)anything happening to Obama and Biden getting the sympathy/continuation of government vote so close after taking over.
                                                                  Biden would be a pathetic candidate but I do admire his willingness to speak the truth more than other politicians. That's a positive trait and people sometimes knock it solely as being gaffe-prone.

                                                                  Part of me thinks he'd be a better President than Obama.

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Studio eNVy View Post
                                                                    This thread is to have a snap shot of who is running for president; and what and how they are doing. I'll update this OP as things change so people have easy reference to who's in and who's out.

                                                                    The first caucuses are currently scheduled for Jan. 18, 2016 in Iowa; and the first primary is scheduled to be in New Hampshire on Jan. 26, 2016.

                                                                    Early Front-runners:

                                                                    Republican:
                                                                    Jeb Bush (former Gov - FL)
                                                                    Chris Christie (Gov - NJ)
                                                                    Ted Cruz (Sen - TX)
                                                                    Rand Paul (Sen - KY)
                                                                    Rick Perry (Gov - TX)
                                                                    Marco Rubio (Sen - FL)

                                                                    Democrat:
                                                                    Joe Biden (VP - DE)
                                                                    Hillary Clinton (former Sec. of State; former Sen - NY)
                                                                    Elizabeth Warren (Sen - MA)


                                                                    Next Tier

                                                                    Republican:
                                                                    Ben Carson (neurosurgeon)
                                                                    Mike Huckabee (former Gov - AR)
                                                                    Bobby Jindal (Gov - LA)
                                                                    John Kasich (Gov - OH)
                                                                    Mitt Romney (former Gov - MA)
                                                                    Paul Ryan (Rep - WI)
                                                                    Rick Santorum (former Sen - PA)
                                                                    Scott Walker (Gov - WI)

                                                                    Democrat:
                                                                    Andrew Cuomo (Gov - NY)
                                                                    Kirsten Gillibrand (Sen - NY)
                                                                    Amy Klobuchar (Sen - MN)
                                                                    Martin O'Malley (Gov - MD) *did not run for re-election/lame duck
                                                                    Brian Schweitzer (former Gov - MT)
                                                                    Mark Warner (Sen - VA)


                                                                    Sleepers/Longshots

                                                                    Republican
                                                                    Michelle Bachman (Rep - MN)
                                                                    Marsha Blackburn (Rep - TN)
                                                                    John Bolton (former UN ambassador - MD)
                                                                    Jan Brewer (Gov - AZ) *did not run for re-election/lame duck
                                                                    Scott Brown (former Sen - MA)
                                                                    Bob Corker (Sen - TN)
                                                                    Carly Fiorina (businesswoman)
                                                                    Lindsey Graham (Sen - SC)
                                                                    Nikki Haley (Gov - SC)
                                                                    Pete King (Rep - NY)
                                                                    Steve King (Rep - IA)
                                                                    George Pataki (former Gov - NY)
                                                                    Mike Pence (Gov - IN)
                                                                    Rob Portman (Sen - OH)
                                                                    Brian Sandoval (Gov - NV)

                                                                    Democrat
                                                                    Joe Manchin (Sen - WV)
                                                                    Jim Webb (former Sen - VA)

                                                                    Independent / 3rd party
                                                                    Tom Hoefling (Am Ind Party) (IA)
                                                                    Gary Johnson (Lib) (former Gov - NM)
                                                                    Bernie Sanders (I) (Sen - VT)
                                                                    Dr. Jill Stein (Green) (MA)

                                                                    is this the best we have as a country?

                                                                    where are the five stars?

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Buster Bluth View Post
                                                                      Biden would be a pathetic candidate but I do admire his willingness to speak the truth more than other politicians. That's a positive trait and people sometimes knock it solely as being gaffe-prone.

                                                                      Part of me thinks he'd be a better President than Obama.
                                                                      I'd agree he'd be better than obama and he does say what's on his mind...you don't have to ever wonder where he really stands on a topic. There's something refreshing about that.

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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        GOP eyes 32 presidential candidates including Cruz, Palin, Ron Paul | WashingtonExaminer.com

                                                                        The List

                                                                        New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte

                                                                        Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour

                                                                        Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton

                                                                        Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush

                                                                        Businessman Herman Cain

                                                                        Dr. Ben Carson

                                                                        New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie

                                                                        Texas Sen. Ted Cruz

                                                                        Former Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels

                                                                        Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich

                                                                        South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley

                                                                        Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee

                                                                        Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal

                                                                        Ohio Gov. John Kasich

                                                                        New York Rep. Peter King

                                                                        New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez

                                                                        Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin

                                                                        Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul

                                                                        Former Rep. Ron Paul

                                                                        Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty

                                                                        Indiana Gov. Mike Pence

                                                                        Texas Gov. Rick Perry

                                                                        Ohio Sen. Rob Portman

                                                                        Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

                                                                        Florida Sen. Marco Rubio

                                                                        Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan

                                                                        Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval

                                                                        Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum

                                                                        South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott

                                                                        South Dakota Sen. John Thune

                                                                        Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

                                                                        Former Florida Rep. Allen West

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                                                                        • #37
                                                                          Originally posted by BGIF View Post
                                                                          GOP eyes 32 presidential candidates including Cruz, Palin, Ron Paul | WashingtonExaminer.com

                                                                          The List

                                                                          New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte

                                                                          Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour

                                                                          Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton

                                                                          Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush

                                                                          Businessman Herman Cain

                                                                          Dr. Ben Carson

                                                                          New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie

                                                                          Texas Sen. Ted Cruz

                                                                          Former Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels

                                                                          Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich

                                                                          South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley

                                                                          Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee

                                                                          Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal

                                                                          Ohio Gov. John Kasich

                                                                          New York Rep. Peter King

                                                                          New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez

                                                                          Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin

                                                                          Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul

                                                                          Former Rep. Ron Paul

                                                                          Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty

                                                                          Indiana Gov. Mike Pence

                                                                          Texas Gov. Rick Perry

                                                                          Ohio Sen. Rob Portman

                                                                          Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

                                                                          Florida Sen. Marco Rubio

                                                                          Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan

                                                                          Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval

                                                                          Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum

                                                                          South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott

                                                                          South Dakota Sen. John Thune

                                                                          Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

                                                                          Former Florida Rep. Allen West
                                                                          I would love to see Palin run because it would be hilarious. She won't run, but will be like Donald Trump constantly saying he's thinking about it just to keep his name out there.
                                                                          God, Country, Notre Dame

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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Can't claim to love any of the democratic candidates and I'm not endorsing any of them, but quite honestly I don't see how whoever is nominated doesn't win. That has nothing to do with the candidates and everything to do with electoral politics and demographics. Hell, if Obama could run again 2016 he would win regardless of the polls and approval ratings today (we are basically in the exact same situation as we were in 2010 only with a slightly better economy).

                                                                            Republicans will continue to dominate midterm elections because of those same demographics and voting tendencies and successful gerrymandering, but I don't think the Republican Party as currently constituted will win another presidential election. If they concentrate on economics and foreign policy they eventually could turn a purple state red, but the right wing social issues are so toxic and voting habits and identity politics are so ingrained I just don't see how the math can work. I think we are stuck with democratic president and republican congress for the foreseeable future, which means years and years of horrible approval ratings for everyone and absolutely nothing of any real significance being accomplished in Washington.
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                                                                            • #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Buster Bluth View Post
                                                                              My breakdown of those GOP candidates...

                                                                              The "kill me now.." group":

                                                                              Ted Cruz
                                                                              Rick Perry
                                                                              Ben Carson
                                                                              Mike Huckabee
                                                                              Rick Santorum
                                                                              Paul Ryan

                                                                              The "oh fuck please no" group:

                                                                              Jeb Bush
                                                                              Marco Rubio
                                                                              Scott Walker

                                                                              The "warmer...warmer...." group:

                                                                              Chris Christie

                                                                              The "I can live with that" group:

                                                                              Rand Paul
                                                                              Bobby Jindal
                                                                              John Kasich
                                                                              Mitt Romney
                                                                              Don't know anything about Carson. Why is he part of the kill me now group?
                                                                              Fan since Vagas Ferguson and Jerome Heavens!

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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Originally posted by connor_in View Post
                                                                                Don't know anything about Carson. Why is he part of the kill me now group?
                                                                                Probably a combination of lack of credentials and notoriety based off one major speech. He'd be the least experienced candidate the GOP can throw out there.

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                                                                                • #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Buster Bluth View Post
                                                                                  My breakdown of those GOP candidates...

                                                                                  The "kill me now.." group":

                                                                                  Ted Cruz
                                                                                  Rick Perry
                                                                                  Ben Carson
                                                                                  Mike Huckabee
                                                                                  Rick Santorum
                                                                                  Paul Ryan

                                                                                  The "oh fuck please no" group:

                                                                                  Jeb Bush
                                                                                  Marco Rubio
                                                                                  Scott Walker

                                                                                  The "warmer...warmer...." group:

                                                                                  Chris Christie

                                                                                  The "I can live with that" group:

                                                                                  Rand Paul
                                                                                  Bobby Jindal
                                                                                  John Kasich
                                                                                  Mitt Romney
                                                                                  Why do you have Rubio in the oh fuck please no group? Florida will be a key state again of course.

                                                                                  Also i would drop Romney from the i can live with that group. It didnt work the first time it certainly wont work a second. He is far too rich and white. I think you can pretty much drop all of the failures from 2012 Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum (FUCK NO), Rick Perry, Romney.

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                                                                                  • #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by GATTACA! View Post
                                                                                    Why do you have Rubio in the oh fuck please no group? Florida will be a key state again of course.

                                                                                    Also i would drop Romney from the i can live with that group. It didnt work the first time it certainly wont work a second. He is far too rich and white. I think you can pretty much drop all of the failures from 2012 Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum (FUCK NO), Rick Perry, Romney.
                                                                                    Yep. nobody from the last race...nobody!

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                                                                                    • #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by GATTACA! View Post
                                                                                      Why do you have Rubio in the oh fuck please no group? Florida will be a key state again of course.

                                                                                      Also i would drop Romney from the i can live with that group. It didnt work the first time it certainly wont work a second. He is far too rich and white. I think you can pretty much drop all of the failures from 2012 Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum (FUCK NO), Rick Perry, Romney.
                                                                                      I'm not judging them as national candidates but as how I would react if they won.

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                                                                                      • #44
                                                                                        Ben Carson?
                                                                                        This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                                                        • #45
                                                                                          I'm a poly sci grad ad and was a member of the college republicans at WMU. In 2006 we were named the best college republican charter in the country. We had a good influence on campus and brought in several high profile names to speak at campus, Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Dinesh D'Souza, Michelle Malkin, John Ashcroft, and Judge Roy Moore and some others. I had a good time in college with the group and it was a good experience. I interned for a state Rep. in Michigan and since graduation I've really can't stomach the republican establishment. I describe myself an independent Catholic conservative.

                                                                                          I can't believe it, but I think its about time for a third party. I got a call from the GOP asking for money, etc; and the conversation did NOT end well. We went back and forth and I finally told the guy, "look, there's two parties in this country that represents two classss of people. If your poor the Democratic Party is for you, if your rich, there Republican Party is for you, if your in the middle get your ass to work because you've gotta pay for those two groups. Click".

                                                                                          With my eduaction and experience I just don't care anymore.

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                                                                                          • #46
                                                                                            I guess some see Carson's lack of experience working for the government as a bad thing. I see that as a good thing.

                                                                                            I guess I find it more curious that people who want to see more candidates that are independent thinkers and not mired in the same ole, same ole of d.c. bullshit want to see candidates that are, well, veterans of party politics and comfortable in the d.c. bullshit.

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                                                                                            • #47
                                                                                              On the "Hillary would win in a landslide because of the female vote" argument, I'm not buying it. Anyone who would vote for Mrs. Clinton just because she's a woman is voting Democrat no matter what, just like anyone who voted for Obama just because he's black would have voted Democrat no matter what. Obama won because he was the "cool" candidate for white Gen Xers and Millennials. Hillary is more like Mitch McConnell (old and boring) than she is like candidate Obama (young and hip). Worse, she'll have to defend Obama's policies or find some way to pivot around them, because "eight years of Democratic policies" is what the Republican candidate will be campaigning against.
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                                                                                              • #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by irishog77 View Post
                                                                                                I guess some see Carson's lack of experience working for the government as a bad thing. I see that as a good thing.

                                                                                                I guess I find it more curious that people who want to see more candidates that are independent thinkers and not mired in the same ole, same ole of d.c. bullshit want to see candidates that are, well, veterans of party politics and comfortable in the d.c. bullshit.
                                                                                                So true. The old guard are always the ones that make it through the primaries and the new, fresh, non-political type can't get past that step.

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                                                                                                • #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by irishog77 View Post
                                                                                                  I guess some see Carson's lack of experience working for the government as a bad thing. I see that as a good thing.

                                                                                                  I guess I find it more curious that people who want to see more candidates that are independent thinkers and not mired in the same ole, same ole of d.c. bullshit want to see candidates that are, well, veterans of party politics and comfortable in the d.c. bullshit.
                                                                                                  My concern is less about party politics or domestic issues, it's about his ability to respond to a potential geopolitical threat. I may be wrong and he'd be a great president, I really don't know. It's just a risky potential pick by the GOP.

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                                                                                                  • #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                                                    On the "Hillary would win in a landslide because of the female vote" argument, I'm not buying it. Anyone who would vote for Mrs. Clinton just because she's a woman is voting Democrat no matter what, just like anyone who voted for Obama just because he's black would have voted Democrat no matter what. Obama won because he was the "cool" candidate for white Gen Xers and Millennials. Hillary is more like Mitch McConnell (old and boring) than she is like candidate Obama (young and hip). Worse, she'll have to defend Obama's policies or find some way to pivot around them, because "eight years of Democratic policies" is what the Republican candidate will be campaigning against.
                                                                                                    I don't know of any person anywhere who follows this stuff to any degree advancing an argument that Hillary would win because of the "female vote." There are slightly more nuanced variations of that argument based on demographics and macro-level voting patterns, but nobody is telling you that Hillary starts with 50% of the total vote before we even start count men's votes.

                                                                                                    Originally posted by tussin View Post
                                                                                                    My concern is less about party politics or domestic issues, it's about his ability to respond to a potential geopolitical threat. I may be wrong and he'd be a great president, I really don't know. It's just a risky potential pick by the GOP.
                                                                                                    People worry too much about this. Sitting on the Senate Finance Committee for two terms or being governor of even a large state doesn't give you any real experience responding to geopolitical threats. You're either smart enough and composed enough to do it or you aren't. The experience piece is drastically overrated, IMO.

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