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  • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
    This is certainly the trickiest part, and "bad parents" will undoubtedly be the primary contributor to childhood poverty/hunger if this policy is implemented.
    I'm glad you guys are trying to solve the world's problems. Meanwhile, our Congress is pushing votes to try and keep MTG in the news and social media is on fire about Alexandria Occasio Smollett's lies about 1/6 and the fact check business trying to cover for her.
    Running the damn ball since 2017.

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    • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

      <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More:<br><br>-- Romney plan would zero out existing US programs, such as TANF &amp; CDCC<br><br>-- Several experts said families would overwhelmingly come out ahead, but some argued plan would be better if those were kept<br><br>-- Romney plan would be permanent, not 1 year<a href="https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa">https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1357345695640870921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

      This is a GREAT proposal from Romney. Basically UBI for children, and will likely do wonders for child poverty. It would replace existing programs/credits with recurring monthly child payments that get clawed back through taxes for people with high earnings.

      Truly one of the most "every day life" impactful pieces of legislation we've seen in awhile, and I'm interested to see what happens with it. I think there is a reasonable chance that this passes as an amendment.
      Should have been proposed a long time ago. Can't wait to hear the reasons to oppose this.

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      • This will be a good test to see if there's any substance to the GOP's recent "populist" turn. Though I fear it was mostly window dressing for Trump's grievance politics.

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        • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
          Should have been proposed a long time ago. Can't wait to hear the reasons to oppose this.
          A Republican proposed it.

          Originally posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
          This will be a good test to see if there's any substance to the GOP's recent "populist" turn. Though I fear it was mostly window dressing for Trump's grievance politics.
          I think it sticks.
          Running the damn ball since 2017.

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          • I hope this succeeds because it'd be a great reform, and also show the Trumpers in the GOP that they are an irrelevant minority and the adults are willing to compromise to get things done.

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            • House Code of Conduct Violations

              While MTG's statements including those that threatened current House members went beyond the usual code of conduct violations, the process was followed in the case of Matt Gaetz. He sent one text message to Michael Cohen which was posted on his unofficial Twitter account the day before Mr. Cohen was set to testify.

              The matter went to the Ethics Committee after the complaint. When Gaetz refused to come before the Committee, an Investigative Subcommittee (ISC) was formed. A complaint was lodged with the Florida Bar. Gaetz came before the ISC which met six times and which generated 160 pages.

              Gaetz tweeted
              “Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she’ll remain faithful to you in prison. She’s about to learn a lot.”
              Gaetz was required to apologize to Cohen and sent this to the Speaker.
              "It was NOT my intent to threaten, as some believe I did. I’m deleting the tweet & I should have chosen words that better showed my intent. I’m sorry."
              Here's the Rules for House Code of Conduct from the Ethics Committee. These will be the standard that House will judge MTG as well as Gaetz. Greene "regrets" her words without any specific apology or denouncement for the insinuation that political opponents should be violently dealt with and, of course, blamed the media.

              If Gaetz has to apologize to Cohen and Pelosi for one tweet, MTG should publicly repudiate and admiit she was wrong when she labeled Pelosi as a "traitor" who has committed "treason", for instance, especially in light of the Insurrection when members barely escaped. How many rules of the Code of Conduct did she violate? (linked above)
              Last edited by Legacy; 02-04-2021, 05:22 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Old Man Mike View Post
                Being a former college prof, I was made a little more hopeful when I heard former Republican governor and fiscal conservative Mark Sanford say that he felt that the party could regain its reputation and future by embracing and demonstrating the following five things which were lacking over the past four years:

                1. Adherence to Truth;
                2. A Tone which is not Tone-deaf;
                3. Return to Reason;
                4. Understanding and utilization of Science;
                5. Understanding of Math.

                That list is simply terrific as a set of guide posts for knowledge and analysis based upon knowledge, and education of the citizenry about real matters confronting our country and the whole world.
                Number 4. Understanding and Utilization of Science sounds wonderful....but it just amazes me how many people preach from the Altar of Science with zero UNDERSTANDING of what they are preaching....but hey it's Science and Science is never wrong.

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                • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                  While MTG's statements including those that threatened current House members went beyond the usual code of conduct violations, the process was followed in the case of Matt Gaetz. He sent one text message to Michael Cohen which was posted on his unofficial Twitter account the day before Mr. Cohen was set to testify.

                  The matter went to the Ethics Committee after the complaint. When Gaetz refused to come before the Committee, an Investigative Subcommittee (ISC) was formed. A complaint was lodged with the Florida Bar. Gaetz came before the ISC which met six times and which generated 160 pages.

                  Gaetz tweeted

                  Gaetz was required to apologize to Cohen and sent this to the Speaker.


                  Here's the Rules for House Code of Conduct from the Ethics Committee. These will be the standard that House will judge MTG as well as Gaetz. Greene "regrets" her words without any specific apology or denouncement for the insinuation that political opponents should be violently dealt with and, of course, blamed the media.

                  If Gaetz has to apologize to Cohen and Pelosi for one tweet, MTG should publicly repudiate and admiit she was wrong when she labeled Pelosi as a "traitor" who has committed "treason", for instance, especially in light of the Insurrection when members barely escaped. How many rules of the Code of Conduct did she violate? (linked above)
                  Seriously? This lady isn't worth the time that the left demands be given to her. The complaint against her applied to members, not citizens and it offered no specific infraction committed because it's a bullshit vote to keep the cameras on MTG.
                  Swalwell shacking up with Chinese spies did more harm to our country that than this dummy from Georgia will ever do and here are we with ceremonial theater by hyper partisan liberals.
                  Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                  • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                    Seriously? This lady isn't worth the time that the left demands be given to her. The complaint against her applied to members, not citizens and it offered no specific infraction committed because it's a bullshit vote to keep the cameras on MTG.
                    Swalwell shacking up with Chinese spies did more harm to our country that than this dummy from Georgia will ever do and here are we with ceremonial theater by hyper partisan liberals.

                    They act like there’s never been a loon in Congress. Not sure why she deserves all this attention vs the previous loons. I would hope everything COVID-related would rate higher than this nationally.

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                    • "It's Science and Science is never wrong."

                      Strange comment slant there. Good solid scientific work is presented to the rest of the knowledgeable community for peer-review and published interactions by the best people in the field of inquiry. One wonders where the "put-down" is coming from about ACTUAL scientific work.

                      The scientific method is the placement of one's results in front of others in the field for analysis/critique. After much professional retesting and re-analysis, a better picture of the researched mystery emerges. Results are not ultimately personality-driven. Scientific methodology is like a multiply done "distillation" of much work into more credible and supported conclusions.

                      So... since THIS is what "Science" represents, where's the snark about Science coming from? It seems to betray a profound ignorance about the nature of Scientific Methodology. (As a mild defense of my stated "opinions" here, I did teach history of science and the scientific method in a couple of classes over 15 years at WMU.)

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                      • Originally posted by Old Man Mike View Post
                        "It's Science and Science is never wrong."

                        Strange comment slant there. Good solid scientific work is presented to the rest of the knowledgeable community for peer-review and published interactions by the best people in the field of inquiry. One wonders where the "put-down" is coming from about ACTUAL scientific work.

                        The scientific method is the placement of one's results in front of others in the field for analysis/critique. After much professional retesting and re-analysis, a better picture of the researched mystery emerges. Results are not ultimately personality-driven. Scientific methodology is like a multiply done "distillation" of much work into more credible and supported conclusions.

                        So... since THIS is what "Science" represents, where's the snark about Science coming from? It seems to betray a profound ignorance about the nature of Scientific Methodology. (As a mild defense of my stated "opinions" here, I did teach history of science and the scientific method in a couple of classes over 15 years at WMU.)
                        I dont think you read his post the way it was intended. I
                        At least I don't think it was intended as an attack on the scientific method
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                        • Originally posted by Old Man Mike View Post
                          "It's Science and Science is never wrong."

                          Strange comment slant there. Good solid scientific work is presented to the rest of the knowledgeable community for peer-review and published interactions by the best people in the field of inquiry. One wonders where the "put-down" is coming from about ACTUAL scientific work.

                          The scientific method is the placement of one's results in front of others in the field for analysis/critique. After much professional retesting and re-analysis, a better picture of the researched mystery emerges. Results are not ultimately personality-driven. Scientific methodology is like a multiply done "distillation" of much work into more credible and supported conclusions.

                          So... since THIS is what "Science" represents, where's the snark about Science coming from? It seems to betray a profound ignorance about the nature of Scientific Methodology. (As a mild defense of my stated "opinions" here, I did teach history of science and the scientific method in a couple of classes over 15 years at WMU.)
                          It’s in no way meant to discredit Science. It’s meant in every single way imaginable to discredit politicians.
                          Expecting a politician to be fluent in all aspects of scientific discourse is impossible. To expect a politician to even understand the basics of a scientific driven policy is wishful thinking at best.

                          To expect political parties not to invoke the word science to enact laws that will cater to their needs is naive.

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                          • Bravo

                            Last edited by ab2cmiller; 03-20-2021, 08:37 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                              Bravo

                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Truth bomb to GOP from Ben Sasse. <a href="https://t.co/vN6CcKbsv4">https://t.co/vN6CcKbsv4</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouTube?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouTube</a></p>&mdash; Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1357529032204689409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                              1000%

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                              • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                Bravo

                                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Truth bomb to GOP from Ben Sasse. <a href="https://t.co/vN6CcKbsv4">https://t.co/vN6CcKbsv4</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouTube?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouTube</a></p>&mdash; Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1357529032204689409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                the weird worship of one dude

                                lol awesome.

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                                • David Hogg launching pillow company to 'put MyPillow out of business'

                                  "Mike the 'my pillow guy' ... This pillow fight just got very real," Hogg tweeted on Thursday.
                                  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1256817

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                                  • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                    Bravo

                                    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Truth bomb to GOP from Ben Sasse. <a href="https://t.co/vN6CcKbsv4">https://t.co/vN6CcKbsv4</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouTube?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouTube</a></p>&mdash; Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1357529032204689409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                    Truth.

                                    Of the ten House Reps who voted to impeach Trump, two voted to strip MTG of her committees. One voted to censure her. The other eight did not vote to impeach Trump.

                                    We know about Cheney. Of the ten who voted to impeach, Michigan GOP congressman Peter Meijer working to get body armor, in fear for his life after impeachment vote. Meijer said in an Op-Ed:
                                    Those of us who refused to cower, who have told the truth, have suffered the consequences. Republican colleagues who have spoken out have been accosted on the street, received death threats, and even assigned armed security. I have been called a traitor more times than I can count. I regret not bringing my gun to D.C.
                                    Tom Rice has been censured by the South Carolina GOP. Rice said:
                                    “I am not going to stand by and watch any man trample on our Constitution. I take an oath. I will defend the Constitution. I don’t take an oath to Donald Trump. I don’t take an oath to the Republican Party. I take an oath to defend our Constitution and that’s what I will do,."
                                    Anthony Gonzolez of Ohio voted to impeach knowing that his political career may be over not only in the House but also chance of running for an open Senate seat in 2022. Gonzalez said:

                                    "I had to ask myself, in this moment, what do I believe happened?" And what do I believe the right vote is, not just in this moment, but for all of American history? Twenty years from now, 30 years from now, 50 years from now, what are people going to say about Jan. 6th? ... Over the long arc of history. I believe that this is the right vote, and I believe it sends the right message to all future presidents and anybody who considers taking the Oval Office... I consider it an unconstitutional attempt by a sitting president to overthrow an election and re-install himself as president. That's the sort of thing that happens in Third World countries. That's the sort of thing that we, all Americans, should passionately object to."
                                    Rep. David Valadao of California said
                                    “I have to go with my gut and vote my conscience. [Trump’s] inciting rhetoric was un-American, abhorrent and absolutely an impeachable offense. It’s time to put country over politics.”
                                    Each faces backlash for voting their conscience. A number of Republicans in each of their districts have announced their intentions of running against them probably with the financial backing of the state GOP.

                                    Profiles in courage.
                                    Last edited by Legacy; 02-05-2021, 03:11 AM.

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                                    • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>&mdash; Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                      This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.

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                                      • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                        <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>&mdash; Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                        This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.
                                        Yup, really bad look for her.
                                        The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                        • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                          <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>&mdash; Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                          This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.
                                          She's new. She didn't know how to appoint a family member as a paid adviser and launder it as a payment to an LLC owned by said family member for services provided as normal politicians do.
                                          Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                          • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                            <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>&mdash; Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                            This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.
                                            Tough look for an DC "outsider" who through "hard work" got herself elected.

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                                            • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>&mdash; Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                              This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.
                                              Now Boebert and Rashida Tlaib have something in common. Ok, Boebert is not getting death threats. $22,000 is pretty bold and more than twice as much as Tlaib. This will go to the Ethics Committee, where the increasing trend from both sides is to refuse to testify as Gaetz did. The Committee does not have subpoena power.

                                              Ethics Committee finds Rashida Tlaib violations were ‘bad timing’ not ‘ill intent’
                                              The panel ordered her to pay back $10,800 to her campaign.
                                              (politico)

                                              Members of Congress Have a New Strategy for Ethics Investigations: Stonewalling
                                              The Office of Congressional Ethics does not have subpoena power, so lawmakers have increasingly decided that not cooperating is the better approach.
                                              (Propublica)

                                              Run for Congress. Pay off your debts. Sleezy.

                                              What happens to candidates that do this but lose is another matter.

                                              Looks like her candidancy raised almost $3 million with $356,794 in cash left over after expenditures.

                                              The local news from Grand Junction gives more information.

                                              Group requests ethics probe of Boebert's travel expenses (Daily Sentinel)

                                              Boebert defended the reimbursements on Thursday.

                                              “My district is one of the largest in the country,” the congresswomen tweeted. “Rather than campaign from my basement, I went to meet my constituents face to face.

                                              “Glad the media wrote a story about the hard work I put into my campaign,” she added. “It’s that same energy I’ve brought to represent those who elected me!”

                                              As a comparison, U.S. Rep. Don Young, a Republican whose district includes the entire state of Alaska, only reimbursed himself $9,965, including airfare, from his campaign account last year, the Post reported.

                                              Using global positioning software and cataloging the 80 public events Boebert had listed on her campaign’s Facebook page — and conservatively assuming she returned to her Silt home after each event — the Post story said she could only have traveled about 17,623 miles between the months of April to November.

                                              And based on the 57.5-cent per mile reimbursement rate set by the Internal Revenue Service, that amounts to more than $10,000.
                                              The mileage is enough to circumnavigate the entire Earth more than one and a half times. A fraud investigation opened in the state of Colorado may hold her more accountable, especially since those were state tax liens. You can't serve in Congress

                                              Status of a Member of the House Who Has Been Indicted for or Convicted of a Felony

                                              Reason for her to refuse to testify before the Ethics Committee if Colorado opens a criminal investigation.
                                              Last edited by Legacy; 02-06-2021, 12:19 PM.

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                                              • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>&mdash; Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.
                                                I am curious what sort of defense she can come up with.

                                                I used to work for a company that paid me $2 per mile. I typically recieved $4,000 per month driving around 500 miles per week to see clients. It was some loophole to pay me more with some sort of tax savings. I also recieved an allowance for office supplies at $200 per week.

                                                Where I am going with this is can she claim more than the 57.5cents/mile government/IRS rate?

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                                                • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                  I am curious what sort of defense she can come up with.

                                                  I used to work for a company that paid me $2 per mile. I typically recieved $4,000 per month driving around 500 miles per week to see clients. It was some loophole to pay me more with some sort of tax savings. I also recieved an allowance for office supplies at $200 per week.

                                                  Where I am going with this is can she claim more than the 57.5cents/mile government/IRS rate?
                                                  I'm assuming she can't claim more. Otherwise every remotely shady congressperson would inflate their salary.

                                                  This is great. A month or two into goofy broad's term and we might get rid of her!
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                                                  • Legislator Misconduct Database (govtrack)
                                                    This page lists 409 instances of misconduct and alleged misconduct by Members of the United States Congress from 1789 to the present based on public reports of investigations and settlements, felony convictions, and official acts by Congress (and more, see the sidebar). The list is updated as new information becomes available.

                                                    The allegations of misconduct listed on this page do not imply guilt in the absence of a conviction or admission of guilt. Exonerations are included because the investigation and exoneration are themselves important events. Conversely, congressional investigations that end without a guilty determination do not imply innocence because congressional investigative bodies are political, not judicial.
                                                    The database can be filtered for types of violations. The type Boebert may have committed is under Campaign and Elections. Referrals to the Justice Department and investigation by the FBI on some of these are noted like with Barr, Loeffler, Nunes, Spano, Hayes, etc. If they are able to stall long enough that the legislator is no longer in office, the investigation is ended.

                                                    Gaetz's was intimidation of a witness, occasioning a Florida Bar investigationi, and resulted in a letter being sent.

                                                    The Colorado News link says her bar lost a quater of a million dollars in 2018 alone? The amount of the “business loan” valued at between $15,000 and $50,000 sounds like one of the ranges of those small business loans from the Coronavirus Federal Small Business Stimulus Aid Programs.

                                                    More on that - https://www.uschamber.com/co/start/s...programs-guide
                                                    Last edited by Legacy; 02-06-2021, 07:29 PM.

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                                                    • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                      Legislator Misconduct Database (govtrack)


                                                      The database can be filtered for types of violations. The type Boebert may have committed is under Campaign and Elections. Referrals to the Justice Department and investigation by the FBI on some of these are noted like with Barr, Loeffler, Nunes, Spano, Hayes, etc. If they are able to stall long enough that the legislator is no longer in office, the investigation is ended.

                                                      Gaetz's was intimidation of a witness, occasioning a Florida Bar investigationi, and resulted in a letter being sent.

                                                      The Colorado News link says her bar lost a quater of a million dollars in 2018 alone? The amount of the “business loan” valued at between $15,000 and $50,000 sounds like one of the ranges of those small business loans from the Coronavirus Federal Small Business Stimulus Aid Programs.

                                                      More on that - https://www.uschamber.com/co/start/s...programs-guide
                                                      You have to be an absolute imbecile to lose that much on a bar in a single year.

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                                                      • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                                                        You have to be an absolute imbecile to lose that much on a bar in a single year.
                                                        Needs to go on Bar Rescue and let that guy yell at her for half an hour.

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                                                        • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                          Needs to go on Bar Rescue and let that guy yell at her for half an hour.
                                                          Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue
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                                                          • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                            Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue
                                                            I love that show. If you all aren’t familiar with Cameo you can pay like $150 bucks to have Taffer and other celebs berate/send funny messages to your friends using a message you write. It’s pretty funny.

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                                                            • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                                                              I love that show. If you all aren’t familiar with Cameo you can pay like $150 bucks to have Taffer and other celebs berate/send funny messages to your friends using a message you write. It’s pretty funny.
                                                              Me and the boys vibe pretty good with one of the bar owners in town. Might need to do that for his birthday or something.

                                                              Funny how bad some bars are managed
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                                                              • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue
                                                                Political donations going to save a bar in this time is a far better use of money than anything else they could have used it for. With the influx of big dark money and the shady tactics used by many of them- I'm just not that outraged.
                                                                Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.
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                                                                • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                                                                  You have to be an absolute imbecile to lose that much on a bar in a single year.
                                                                  Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                  Needs to go on Bar Rescue and let that guy yell at her for half an hour.
                                                                  Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                  Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue

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                                                                  • Rep. Cori Bush reminding us that Democrats support riots outside and inside of jail.

                                                                    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“A riot is the language of the unheard.” - Dr. MLK Jr.<br><br>I want to talk to my constituents in the window. Their lives and their rights must be protected.<br><br>My team and I are working to ensure that the urgent needs of people who are incarcerated are not ignored. <a href="https://t.co/wMq8ecyLQ2">https://t.co/wMq8ecyLQ2</a></p>&mdash; Cori Bush (@CoriBush) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1358209719639433216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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                                                                    • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                      Political donations going to save a bar in this time is a far better use of money than anything else they could have used it for. With the influx of big dark money and the shady tactics used by many of them- I'm just not that outraged.
                                                                      Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.
                                                                      Oh I have zero doubts shes under much more intense scrutiny because of her political stances. I have zero doubts other politicians do similarly shady shit.

                                                                      But....I dont like her. Bad for the Party. So if we can get rid of her, I'm happy
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                                                                      • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                        Political donations going to save a bar in this time is a far better use of money than anything else they could have used it for. With the influx of big dark money and the shady tactics used by many of them- I'm just not that outraged.
                                                                        Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.
                                                                        I thought you were against unions and for decreasing dark money in politics.

                                                                        This is more than pro-guns and more stoking the simmering anger born of economic and cultural changes that has been expertly focused on stereotypes - some local and some national - and loss of control and influence. Rural v urban. Farming, ranching, coal, oil and gas dominates the history of the area. Now meat-packing and Hispanic immigrants in Pueblo. For the first time, both branches of Colorado government and both Senate seats are Democratic, and with a gay Governor, who put pandemic restrictions on businesses. Her business at Shooter's Grill in Rifle, CO was shut down for ignoring those. People refused to wear masks. She had lawyers fight the state. Small businesses who may or may not rely on tourism shut down. Aspen in the District with all the Hollywood stars and the rich is anathema. There's a long history of independence and now two-thirds of the district is urban.

                                                                        She was invited to the 4th of July at Mount Rushmore, and to the RNC. Calling the Dems socialists who will take away their rights and whose opponent, a 70 yr old County Commission, is a “far left socialist” who supports the “Green New Deal“ and “Medicare for All“, Big Government appeals to a certain significant element in the West. Denver is ruining your lives, etc. Crop and beef prices are low. Water is diminishing and being taken up by cities. The image Trump presents and how he is victimized by the D.C. establishment.

                                                                        All those give the promise of taking back power and some control. Last stand. Finally, she went door to door and ignored precautions while the Dem was cautious and had social distancing and was not seen as much.

                                                                        One forgets how recently Colorado was red and the libertarian streak generated Parlor, which was founded in Denver. A nearby state like Kansas, S,D, or Wyoming is controlled by Reps. I imagine we'll hear that MSM is crucifying her and why shouldn't she take donated money for her campaign to keep her business afloat.
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                                                                        • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                                          I thought you were against unions and for decreasing dark money in politics.

                                                                          This is more than pro-guns and more stoking the simmering anger born of economic and cultural changes that has been expertly focused on stereotypes - some local and some national - and loss of control and influence. Rural v urban. Farming, ranching, coal, oil and gas dominates the history of the area. Now meat-packing and Hispanic immigrants in Pueblo. For the first time, both branches of Colorado government and both Senate seats are Democratic, and with a gay Governor, who put pandemic restrictions on businesses. Her business at Shooter's Grill in Rifle, CO was shut down for ignoring those. People refused to wear masks. She had lawyers fight the state. Small businesses who may or may not rely on tourism shut down. Aspen in the District with all the Hollywood stars and the rich is anathema. There's a long history of independence and now two-thirds of the district is urban.

                                                                          She was invited to the 4th of July at Mount Rushmore, and to the RNC. Calling the Dems socialists who will take away their rights and whose opponent, a 70 yr old County Commission, is a “far left socialist” who supports the “Green New Deal“ and “Medicare for All“, Big Government appeals to a certain significant element in the West. Denver is ruining your lives, etc. Crop and beef prices are low. Water is diminishing and being taken up by cities. The image Trump presents and how he is victimized by the D.C. establishment.

                                                                          All those give the promise of taking back power and some control. Last stand. Finally, she went door to door and ignored precautions while the Dem was cautious and had social distancing and was not seen as much.

                                                                          One forgets how recently Colorado was red and the libertarian streak generated Parlor, which was founded in Denver. A nearby state like Kansas, S,D, or Wyoming is controlled by Reps. I imagine we'll hear that MSM is crucifying her and why shouldn't she take donated money for her campaign to keep her business afloat.
                                                                          I have no idea what any of this has to do with the lady funneling campaign money into paying taxes for her business.
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                                                                          • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                            I have no idea what any of this has to do with the lady funneling campaign money into paying taxes for her business.
                                                                            Me either.

                                                                            I am against dark money donations though. Our current system is a joke.
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                                                                            • I guees I'm not surprised anymore that someone who did not understand something would post that. To simplify,

                                                                              Drayer:
                                                                              Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.
                                                                              Legacy:
                                                                              This is more than pro-guns and more stoking the simmering anger born of economic and cultural changes that has been expertly focused on stereotypes - some local and some national - and loss of control and influence.
                                                                              Yeah, should have stopped it there whether that helps or not. Are we supposed to know who this Shannon person is? A radio figure or someone? I'll bet LB as a victim will get aa bunch of dark money, give a big finger to Congressional Ethics, and has someone pay for a lawyer and a fine for her. That's the way the Republican establishment works now.

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                                                                              • Maybe she had a lunch special that was a hit and the timing was a coincident.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                                                  I guees I'm not surprised anymore that someone who did not understand something would post that. To simplify,

                                                                                  Drayer:

                                                                                  Legacy:

                                                                                  Yeah, should have stopped it there whether that helps or not. Are we supposed to know who this Shannon person is? A radio figure or someone? I'll bet LB as a victim will get aa bunch of dark money, give a big finger to Congressional Ethics, and has someone pay for a lawyer and a fine for her. That's the way the Republican establishment works now.
                                                                                  Shannon Watts is the head of the gun-control lobby. She's lead Karen at Moms Demand Action. She's also not hesitant to stretch the truth when it fits her agenda.
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                                                                                  • Ok. I see where my background on the 3rd seems to be disconnected from your comment. Too bad she and others won't just check their guns at screening and leave the moral outrage at the door.

                                                                                    FYI - the two biggest towns in the 3rd are Grand Junction (pop 56K) on I-70 between Denver and SLC and Pueblo (pop 160K) in the south on I-25. GJ has the largest-known concentration of oil shale in the world, 90% white. Pueblo is steel and solar energy, which will be largest solar energy farm east of the Rocky Mountains. 44% Hispanic.

                                                                                    As mentioned, Colorado is an all mail-in voting state. Seems to work fine and without objections.
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                                                                                    • I'm very confused. Why are we discussing this lady's district? What does it have to do with the price of tea in China?
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                                                                                      • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                                                        Ok. I see where my background on the 3rd seems to be disconnected from your comment. Too bad she and others won't just check their guns at screening and leave the moral outrage at the door.

                                                                                        FYI - the two biggest towns in the 3rd are Grand Junction (pop 56K) on I-70 between Denver and SLC and Pueblo (pop 160K) in the south on I-25. GJ has the largest-known concentration of oil shale in the world, 90% white. Pueblo is steel and solar energy, which will be largest solar energy farm east of the Rocky Mountains. 44% Hispanic.

                                                                                        As mentioned, Colorado is an all mail-in voting state. Seems to work fine and without objections.
                                                                                        I don't have an issue with legislators concealed carrying a weapon in the statehouse or US Capitol. Jan 6th seemed to raise some concerns to those who looked away when Rand Paul was being mobbed by liberals and Steve Scalise was shot. Capitol Carry is common in statehouses. Why not?

                                                                                        I don't get the rest of this. Are you implying that mail-in voting worked because she was able to win here? I mean, the broken clock is correct twice a day and that wouldn't seem to mean anything to me.
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                                                                                        • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                                          I don't have an issue with legislators concealed carrying a weapon in the statehouse or US Capitol. Jan 6th seemed to raise some concerns to those who looked away when Rand Paul was being mobbed by liberals and Steve Scalise was shot. Capitol Carry is common in statehouses. Why not restrict that? Due to no limits, the Kentucky Capitol invasion did not restrict loaded semis in their Capitol.

                                                                                          I don't get the rest of this. Are you implying that mail-in voting worked because she was able to win here? I mean, the broken clock is correct twice a day and that wouldn't seem to mean anything to me.
                                                                                          The Rand Paul and Scalise episodes occurred outside the Capitol building. I have no problem with concealed carry there. I can't see Paul unloading on liberals yelling at him. Sad that police protection was required to keep him safe. It's another thing with the legislators in fear for their lives playing baseball justifies concealed carry. That would be a separate issue of self-defense.

                                                                                          I assume she was carrying when they broke in, possessed weapons and were threatening death to some legislators while she had tweeted that the day was "1776". She did not carry to protect her colleagues.

                                                                                          Next, open carry of semis - as long as ammo is not loaded in them but in possession - in state Capitol buildings as in Michigan is another matter. Kentucky does not limit loaded semis in their state Capitol building, which was invaded and occupied by those "patriots" with those loaded semis. We've seen images of those. The uproar that would have occurred if AAs in support of the BLM movement taking over a Capitol with loaded semis would be indicative of an underlying racism.

                                                                                          LB and other legislators don't even have that restriction in our nation's Capitol. Those should be gun-free zones including legislators. I don't understand why that simple restriction - after an Insurrection that would overthrow the results of an election - is opposed.

                                                                                          Yet when a Congressman goes through fencing, by security and refuses to go through a metal detector so they can make a Second Amendment statement is ridiculous and grand-standing.

                                                                                          As for mail-in voting in Colorado, the race in the 3rd increased turnout which in Colorado means mail-in voting for weeks beforehand no matter who won in this or prior elections. The area is about the size of Mississippi and rural. Similarly, I don't understand objections to that.
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                                                                                          • Originally posted by Legacy View Post

                                                                                            . The uproar that would have occurred if AAs in support of the BLM movement taking over a Capitol with loaded semis would be indicative of an underlying racism.

                                                                                            LB and other legislators don't even have that restriction in our nation's Capitol. Those should be gun-free zones including legislators. I don't understand why that simple restriction - after an Insurrection that would overthrow the results of an election - is opposed.
                                                                                            I hear people make these claims that "oh if black people had guns, you guys would be mad and you are racist!" (I'm assuming that's what a "Ioaded semi" is, what a fucking dumb and awkward way to say "gun"). Black people own guns. They do shit with guns. I have yet to hear any major uproar about black men with guns doing the same sort of stuff white men do with guns.

                                                                                            A black militia group did some stuff at Stone Mountain this summer, don't recall any big uproar. Probably because liberal folks are scared shitless by the idea of criticizing black folks... and conservative folks didn't really care because gun ownership doesn't scare them.

                                                                                            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN24605G

                                                                                            I ain't saying there weren't some racist reactions to that. But it made the rounds on social media and I recall the gun-control crowd's message basically being "Republicans are gonna FLIP when they see this" and I don't think it got nearly the reaction they anticipated. Turns out that goofy Republican uncle might not be racist after all.

                                                                                            Further, the "insurrection" really proved that the Capitol police aren't equipped to protect our 538 senators and Reps. Cack will go to his grave insisting these guys were so close to succeeding...nearly killed the country and all of our politicians.

                                                                                            If the capitol police can't protect a building against a group of LARPers armed with fists and some bear spray, what is gonna happen when a militia rolls in with AK-47s?we should allow our congress to defend themselves and each other with a gun, i really don't see any downside to it.
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                                                                                            • Stone Mountain is not a state capitol but a Confederate monument. We're talking about legislators carrying arms in the state and national capitols. The Not Fucking Around Group has appeared elsewhere. Stone Mountain occasioned an armed response including the Three Percenters. LB was criticized for appearing on the Colorado capitol steps with some Three Percenters. Declaring that the Insurrection was 1776 demonstrates where she is at.

                                                                                              https://www.ajc.com/news/stone-mount...H_8ofkiaKC3r8Y

                                                                                              https://www.ajc.com/news/protesters-...AMZSZR74B4DXE/

                                                                                              I don't think it violates anyone's rights to limit legislators from carrying concealed arms in capitols.

                                                                                              Boebert’s Campaign Embraces Far-Right Militia Movement

                                                                                              More recently Boebert voiced support for the rights of militia members to shut down the Michigan Capitol, telling RealVail.com’s David O. Williams that while she wouldn’t participate in such an activity herself, she didn’t understand why the heavily armed men weren’t allowed on to the floor of the legislature. She reiterated her interpretation of the Second Amendment, saying:
                                                                                              "It is a protection against a tyrannical government, and so I don’t see that we would ever have to use our Second Amendment rights against our government, but that is what it’s for. It’s not for hunting. It’s not for target shooting or for sport.”
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                                                                                              • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                                                                Stone Mountain is not a state capitol but a Confederate monument. We're talking about legislators carrying arms in the state and national capitols. The Not Fucking Around Group has appeared elsewhere. Stone Mountain occasioned an armed response including the Three Percenters. LB was criticized for appearing on the Colorado capitol steps with some Three Percenters. Declaring that the Insurrection was 1776 demonstrates where she is at.

                                                                                                https://www.ajc.com/news/stone-mount...H_8ofkiaKC3r8Y

                                                                                                https://www.ajc.com/news/protesters-...AMZSZR74B4DXE/

                                                                                                I don't think it violates anyone's rights to limit legislators from carrying concealed arms in capitols.

                                                                                                Boebert’s Campaign Embraces Far-Right Militia Movement
                                                                                                No. You explicitly pulled the "if black people were armed there would be outrage" card. There is not any support there that I have seen.

                                                                                                You can try to distinguish it by saying "thats stone mountain, not a state/federal capitol," but I dont find that convincing. The former impacts regular people, the latter impacts the most disliked group of people in the country, elected representatives.

                                                                                                If a thousand black dudes armed to the teeth going into a state park where families and kids are doesn't cause any substantial outrage, then I dont see how it would be different anywhere else. Some might point to stuff from back in the day, I'm aware some gun control legislation was directly related to incidents with black men being armed. But that stuff was decades ago.

                                                                                                I dont see why it matters if the black groups show up, or the 3% crowd shows up. I'm assuming they own the guns legally. It they want to demonstrate, I am not bothered. Am I going to participate? Hell no. But I dont care what they do.

                                                                                                I dont doubt that it is constitutional for Congress to say "no guns here." I dont think anyone here is suggesting its not legal to make that rule. I dont see an issue with a member of congress being armed at work. Even if they are a weirdo fringe looney toon. What's she gonna do? Shoot up the House?
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                                                                                                • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                                                  I hear people make these claims that "oh if black people had guns, you guys would be mad and you are racist!" (I'm assuming that's what a "Ioaded semi" is, what a fucking dumb and awkward way to say "gun"). Black people own guns. They do shit with guns. I have yet to hear any major uproar about black men with guns doing the same sort of stuff white men do with guns.

                                                                                                  A black militia group did some stuff at Stone Mountain this summer, don't recall any big uproar. Probably because liberal folks are scared shitless by the idea of criticizing black folks... and conservative folks didn't really care because gun ownership doesn't scare them.

                                                                                                  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN24605G

                                                                                                  I ain't saying there weren't some racist reactions to that. But it made the rounds on social media and I recall the gun-control crowd's message basically being "Republicans are gonna FLIP when they see this" and I don't think it got nearly the reaction they anticipated. Turns out that goofy Republican uncle might not be racist after all.

                                                                                                  Further, the "insurrection" really proved that the Capitol police aren't equipped to protect our 538 senators and Reps. Cack will go to his grave insisting these guys were so close to succeeding...nearly killed the country and all of our politicians.

                                                                                                  If the capitol police can't protect a building against a group of LARPers armed with fists and some bear spray, what is gonna happen when a militia rolls in with AK-47s?we should allow our congress to defend themselves and each other with a gun, i really don't see any downside to it.
                                                                                                  INSURRECTION!!!!! Almost as laughable as Russia Collusion!!!! Cack and Legacy really think Buffalo Bill was going to ruling our country or some silly shit. Identifying that dude as anything other than nuts is a bit of an indictment of your own mental state.

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                                                                                                  • There are a number of ways to hold Boebert and others accountable and to follow gun laws.

                                                                                                    A nice review:
                                                                                                    Members of Congress Have Little Right to Bear Arms on Capitol Hill

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                                                                                                    In 1967, Congress specifically prohibited the carrying of accessible weapons in all capitol buildings and grounds. In addition to this federal law, the general criminal law of the District of Columbia applies to the Capitol complex. The District has strict rules on firearms. Among these, all firearms must be registered, some firearms cannot be lawfully registered (e.g., certain semiautomatic firearms deemed “assault weapons”), ammunition magazines cannot exceed a 10-round capacity, the carrying of rifles and shotguns is prohibited, and the carrying of pistols is lawful only with a license to carry issued by the District of Columbia. (As the signs at the Capitol office buildings warn visitors, the District does not recognize carry permits from other states.) Even with a license, the District prohibits the carrying of pistols in many places, including the “U.S. Capitol buildings and grounds” and within 1,000 feet of a demonstration.

                                                                                                    The 1967 federal law contained an exception for those “authorized by regulations which shall be promulgated by the Capitol Police Board.” The Capitol Police Board regulations (Appendix J), in turn, provide that, “nothing contained in [the 1967 federal law] shall prohibit any Member of Congress from maintaining firearms within the confines of his office or any Member of Congress or any employee or agent of any Member of Congress from transporting within the Capitol Grounds firearms unloaded and securely wrapped.” When Rep. Buck faced questions about the legality of his rifle, the Capitol Police pointed to this regulation to explain why his possession of the rifle was lawful.
                                                                                                    General Requirements for Firearms Registration

                                                                                                    These people have no exemption to following local gun laws than anyone else. She posted a video of her loading her Glock given to her by a biker gang. That, too, is illegal. The DC police chief notified her DC gun laws and said:
                                                                                                    “That congresswoman… will be subjected to the same penalties for anyone else that’s caught on a District of Columbia street carrying a firearm unlawfully.”
                                                                                                    Time to enforce the DC laws.

                                                                                                    Also, Virginia is a shall issue state. That should be changed.

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                                                                      There are a number of ways to hold Boebert and others accountable and to follow gun laws.

                                                                                                      A nice review:
                                                                                                      Members of Congress Have Little Right to Bear Arms on Capitol Hill

                                                                                                      Excerpt:

                                                                                                      General Requirements for Firearms Registration

                                                                                                      These people have no exemption to following local gun laws than anyone else. She posted a video of her loading her Glock given to her by a biker gang. That, too, is illegal. The DC police chief notified her DC gun laws and said:


                                                                                                      Time to enforce the DC laws.

                                                                                                      Also, Virginia is a shall issue state. That should be changed.
                                                                                                      What’s wrong with shall issue? I mean, permitless is best, but shall issue gives everyone a fair chance. I remember before Iowa fixed that in some counties you had to be buddies with the Sheriff to get a permit. What a joke? Hawaii has may-issue but uses it as may-not-issue as it is a total joke of a system. I had a Virginia permit once and it was pretty easy to get with a Military ID.

                                                                                                      I see no issue with a member of Congress carrying a weapon. It’s no less needed than the stupid fence Pelosi put up. You never know when some crazed Bernie supporter is going to come at you with a rifle and members of Congress deserve the right to self-defense as much as anyone else.
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