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  • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(Johnny Carson voice): “Jewish Space Laser” <a href="https://t.co/olRA8rWrVG">https://t.co/olRA8rWrVG</a></p>&mdash; Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) <a href="https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1354989014458138625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    The GOP is cooked. It is not a tenable strategy to tolerate people like this while also having your own party members relentlessly attack anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the Trump orthodoxy. They will continually alienate larger and larger swaths of their electorate... while they should make modest gains in the midterms, unless there is a major course correction they will get obliterated in 4 years.

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    • Watch now: Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz, remote Donald Trump Jr. speak at Cheyenne protest against Rep. Liz Cheney Casper Star Tribune

      Excerpt:
      Also Thursday, Wyoming Sen. Cynthia Lummis took to the airwaves to defend Cheney’s decision to impeach the president, which the congresswoman has characterized as “a vote of conscience.”

      “Wyoming people like to make their own decisions,” Lummis said on Fox Radio’s Brian Kilmeade Show. “They don’t particularly like outsiders coming in and telling them what to do. I think Wyoming people will handle this over time in a way they feel is appropriate.”
      Loomis, the junior Senator from Wyoming, voted against accepting both the Arizona and Pennsylvania electoral votes.

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      • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
        <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(Johnny Carson voice): “Jewish Space Laser” <a href="https://t.co/olRA8rWrVG">https://t.co/olRA8rWrVG</a></p>&mdash; Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) <a href="https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1354989014458138625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

        The GOP is cooked. It is not a tenable strategy to tolerate people like this while also having your own party members relentlessly attack anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the Trump orthodoxy. They will continually alienate larger and larger swaths of their electorate... while they should make modest gains in the midterms, unless there is a major course correction they will get obliterated in 4 years.
        I think we'll get rid of them. At least I hope so. It's one thing to be a bit goofy, but this lady is fucked up.

        I suspect Mitch will do what must be done.

        Easy to ignore some goofy libertarians but its much more difficult when the media has a looney toon full of idiotic quotes to latch on to.
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        • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
          I think we'll get rid of them. At least I hope so. It's one thing to be a bit goofy, but this lady is fucked up.

          I suspect Mitch will do what must be done.
          The first step to unity is putting her and AOC on a rocket and launching it deep into outer space.

          I know a good bit about her chief of staff and well, tie him to the rocket too. 🚀
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          • House Republican leaders condemn GOP candidate who made racist videos (Politico, 6/17/20)

            “These comments are appalling, and Leader McCarthy has no tolerance for them,” said Drew Florio, a spokesman for House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.).

            House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) went further, throwing his weight behind Greene’s opponent.

            “The comments made by Ms. Greene are disgusting and don’t reflect the values of equality and decency that make our country great,” Scalise said in a statement. “I will be supporting Dr. Cowan".
            I can't say that there are not some like-minded House Reps on the Education Committee where Greene has been assigned.
            - One member said that gays are worthy of death and Representatives who voted for non-discrimin against LGBT (Equality Act) are going to hell
            - The Ranking member said Matthew Shepard was not killed because he was gay.
            - Another said the Democratic Party consisted of Marxists and socialists, later apologizing when he discovered there were "liberals" in the Party
            - Another said that women who have abortions should be punished because they are murderers
            - Others' individual judgments include agreeing with the birther conspiracy, deny climate change, that Ilhad Omar's statement that she has PTSD from escaping Somalia and four years in a settlement camp were "offensive to our veterans", the pandemic is "phony" and that Biden is fighting the "ravages of dementia".

            A couple of them on the Education Committee have joined the "Freedom Force" meant to counter the Squad. One of the twenty-four Republican members of the Education Committee is a minority.

            Greene does not live in the area of Georgia she represents. Initially she was running in the 6th District which represents some Atlanta suburbs, where she lives. The Republican leadership advised her to run for the 14th. The Freedom Caucus was a major donor to Greene's campaign against an opponent who is a physician. Voters in the 6th re-elected Lucy McBath, an AA, who advocates gun control after one of her son was murdered. McBath and Ilhan Omar are also on the Education Committee. Nearly all of the Rep members opposed certifying the electoral votes of Arizona and Pennsylvania.

            I don't think that one can argue that Greene is necessarily an outlier on Education Committee. One Republican member of the Committee did vote for the Equality Act, so she is going to hell.
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            • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
              House Republican leaders condemn GOP candidate who made racist videos (Politico, 6/17/20)


              I can't say that there are not some like-minded House Reps on the Education Committee where Greene has been assigned.
              - One member said that gays are worthy of death and Representatives who voted for non-discrimin against LGBT (Equality Act) are going to hell
              - The Ranking member said Matthew Shepard was not killed because he was gay.
              - Another said the Democratic Party consisted of Marxists and socialists, later apologizing when he discovered there were "liberals" in the Party
              - Another said that women who have abortions should be punished because they are murderers
              - Others' individual judgments include agreeing with the birther conspiracy, deny climate change, that Ilhad Omar's statement that she has PTSD from escaping Somalia and four years in a settlement camp were "offensive to our veterans", the pandemic is "phony" and that Biden is fighting the "ravages of dementia".

              A couple of them on the Education Committee have joined the "Freedom Force" meant to counter the Squad. One of the twenty-four Republican members of the Education Committee is a minority.

              Greene does not live in the area of Georgia she represents. Initially she was running in the 6th District which represents some Atlanta suburbs, where she lives. The Republican leadership advised her to run for the 14th. The Freedom Caucus was a major donor to Greene's campaign against an opponent who is a physician. Voters in the 6th re-elected Lucy McBath, an AA, who advocates gun control after one of her son was murdered. McBath and Ilhan Omar are also on the Education Committee. Nearly all of the Rep members opposed certifying the electoral votes of Arizona and Pennsylvania.

              I don't think that one can argue that Greene is necessarily an outlier on Education Committee. One Republican member of the Committee did vote for the Equality Act, so she is going to hell.
              It’s interesting to see the GOP lean so hard into the same playbook that turned California into a super majority Democratic stronghold in less than a decade.

              One would think McCarthy would understand that. Guess not. It’s like they can’t help themselves.

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              • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                It’s interesting to see the GOP lean so hard into the same playbook that turned California into a super majority Democratic stronghold in less than a decade.

                One would think McCarthy would understand that. Guess not. It’s like they can’t help themselves.
                Remember when Katie Hill and Al Franken resigned? Incredible that conservatives have welcomed QAnon truthers (MTG), people who admire Hitler (Madison Cawthorn), and just general buffoons (Boebert).

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                • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                  Remember when Katie Hill and Al Franken resigned? Incredible that conservatives have welcomed QAnon truthers (MTG), people who admire Hitler (Madison Cawthorn), and just general buffoons (Boebert).
                  Your disdain for others is par for the course, but your basis for disliking Boebert is surely based in sexism and misogyny. She primaried an incumbent and worked hard to be an outsider in DC. Your dislike for the handicapped and implying a disabled person must like Hitler is bizarre.
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                  • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                    Your disdain for others is par for the course, but your basis for disliking Boebert is surely based in sexism and misogyny. She primaried an incumbent and worked hard to be an outsider in DC. Your dislike for the handicapped and implying a disabled person must like Hitler is bizarre.
                    Boebert has supported QAnon. That is a fact. Cawthorn referred to Hitler as the Fuher, and has made other sympathetic references to Nazi’s. Another fact.

                    You don't have to defend these people.

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                    • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                      The first step to unity is putting her and AOC on a rocket and launching it deep into outer space.

                      I know a good bit about her chief of staff and well, tie him to the rocket too. 🚀
                      bOtH sIdEs.

                      In no way, can AOC be compared to MTG.

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                      • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                        Remember when Katie Hill and Al Franken resigned? Incredible that conservatives have welcomed QAnon truthers (MTG), people who admire Hitler (Madison Cawthorn), and just general buffoons (Boebert).
                        Uhhhh I don't think I've seen anything from Cawthorn admiring Hitler. He had a photo at Hitler's vacation home, and noted "how strange it was to hear so many laughs and share such a good time . . . where only 79 years ago a supreme evil shared laughs and good times with his compatriots."

                        That doesn't seem problematic or showing admiration at all. It specifically says it was strange to have a good time there knowing such a bad person had also had positive experiences there. Tourist destinations can be somber and all that like Auschwitz or the 9/11 memorial, but seeing a mountain home? I think that falls in a very different category.

                        If you want to see what having a real Hitler problem looks like, look up Ralph Engelstad. UND hockey guy, Vegas Casino tycoon. Built UND the nicest hockey arena probably in the world, including the NHL. On top of having a very extensive collection of Nazi memorabilia (weird but not bad on its own), he had a portrait done of him in a Nazi outfit that said "To: Ralphie, From: Adolf."

                        The GA and CO lady are trash and I hope we get rid of them. But lumping Cawthorn in with them seems like it'll undermine an otherwise good point.
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                        • If I went to Bid Ladens place and said "Had an amazing time! So wild I could have such a great time where someone evil lived!" That would be problematic af.

                          If Franken resigned for a distasteful photo, Cawthorn enjoying himself at Hitler's house has to be on par with that.

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                          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                            Boebert has supported QAnon. That is a fact. Cawthorn referred to Hitler as the Fuher, and has made other sympathetic references to Nazi’s. Another fact.

                            You don't have to defend these people.
                            Referring to Hitler as the Führer isn't sympathy lol. It's a German word for "leader." A political title that Hitler basically made his own.

                            Antisemitism is real. Nazis exist. All that stuff. But captioning a photo referring to the Führer while at his mountain home isn't even problematic on its own, it becomes even less significant when he calls the guy evil in the same fucking caption.
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                            • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                              Referring to Hitler as the Führer isn't sympathy lol. It's a German word for "leader." A political title that Hitler basically made his own.

                              Antisemitism is real. Nazis exist. All that stuff. But captioning a photo referring to the Führer while at his mountain home isn't even problematic on its own, it becomes even less significant when he calls the guy evil in the same fucking caption.
                              A political word he made his own. Exactly. He bastardized it and now literally no one in German politics uses it. It's not hard. If I put a Swastika in my profile picture, I'd have a real tough time lasting more than 5 min here. You're smart enough to know that a Swastika has Hindu roots but would be a dog whistle.

                              You how simple it would be to avoid any critiscm from this? 1) Don't use a term of endearment for fucking Hitler 2) Don't like say it's a bucket list item??? 3) Dont claim to have an amazing time at a place of evil.

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                              • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                If I went to Bid Ladens place and said "Had an amazing time! So wild I could have such a great time where someone evil lived!" That would be problematic af.

                                If Franken resigned for a distasteful photo, Cawthorn enjoying himself at Hitler's house has to be on par with that.
                                I'd love to go see Bin Laden's homes. Prominent historical figures and their residences are interesting. People can go and enjoy themselves. Hell, could even consider it a trophy of sorts that you can casually walk through the dudes house.

                                Again, it's not Auschwitz, a holocaust museum, a terrorist attack memorial, it's a famous house. When American troops got there I'm pretty sure they posed for photos smiling, raided the liquor cabinets, and had fun with it.

                                I have never claimed Franken should resign, especially over a tacky photo from his days as a comedian. Katie Hill on the other hand...she really had no choice. When you are banging/dating your staff, and it gets out these days, and there is texts and photos to prove the behavior, your career in office is probably over.
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                                • Boebert isn’t going to be a leader and isn’t the smartest Rep in town. She came from working the restaraunts to the Capitol. The hysteria over her is insanely overblown. Same for Cawthorn. If these are the gripes, then that’s great.

                                  MTG and AOC are somewhat comparable, but the right ins’t afraid to shutdown MTG’s stupid ideas.
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                                  • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                    A political word he made his own. Exactly. He bastardized it and now literally no one in German politics uses it. It's not hard. If I put a Swastika in my profile picture, I'd have a real tough time lasting more than 5 min here. You're smart enough to know that a Swastika has Hindu roots but would be a dog whistle.

                                    You how simple it would be to avoid any critiscm from this? 1) Don't use a term of endearment for fucking Hitler 2) Don't like say it's a bucket list item??? 3) Dont claim to have an amazing time at a place of evil.
                                    I wouldn't call it a term of endearment. Its a word. I get why Germans have largely quit using the word. But when referring to the guy, it will depend on context. I'm sorry but you aren't going to get me to say it's wrong to say there is some huge difference between saying "Hitler's summer home" or "the fuhrers summer home" when the caption is clear that you think the guy is bad.

                                    This is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. The guy is famous for having that title.

                                    You can say Franken got run out of the Senate for something stupid. Perfectly fine and legitimate. He buckled. Maybe there was more stuff coming, maybe not. Either he is a coward, the DNC told him more was coming and its time to go, or he just didn't have the stomach to keep playing ball. Pretty sure that was around #MeToo. Tricky spot to be in when your colleagues are coming for you.

                                    Can say the lady in GA and CO are insane. Perfectly fine and legitimate.

                                    Cawthorn's post wasn't tacky. Wasnt bad. Literally an IG post of a dude knocking a place of his bucket list and mentioning how its strange the place has a good mood now when it was a home to a very different deal at one time.
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                                    • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                      Boebert isn’t going to be a leader and isn’t the smartest Rep in town. She came from working the restaraunts to the Capitol. The hysteria over her is insanely overblown. Same for Cawthorn. If these are the gripes, then that’s great.

                                      MTG and AOC are somewhat comparable, but the right ins’t afraid to shutdown MTG’s stupid ideas.
                                      The problem is journalists are going to elevate her and get quotes from her, and those quotes...right or wrong...will be used against the GOP.
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                                      • Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                        House Republican leaders condemn GOP candidate who made racist videos (Politico, 6/17/20)


                                        I can't say that there are not some like-minded House Reps on the Education Committee where Greene has been assigned.
                                        - One member said that gays are worthy of death and Representatives who voted for non-discrimin against LGBT (Equality Act) are going to hell
                                        - The Ranking member said Matthew Shepard was not killed because he was gay.
                                        - Another said the Democratic Party consisted of Marxists and socialists, later apologizing when he discovered there were "liberals" in the Party
                                        - Another said that women who have abortions should be punished because they are murderers
                                        - Others' individual judgments include agreeing with the birther conspiracy, deny climate change, that Ilhad Omar's statement that she has PTSD from escaping Somalia and four years in a settlement camp were "offensive to our veterans", the pandemic is "phony" and that Biden is fighting the "ravages of dementia".

                                        A couple of them on the Education Committee have joined the "Freedom Force" meant to counter the Squad. One of the twenty-four Republican members of the Education Committee is a minority.

                                        Greene does not live in the area of Georgia she represents. Initially she was running in the 6th District which represents some Atlanta suburbs, where she lives. The Republican leadership advised her to run for the 14th. The Freedom Caucus was a major donor to Greene's campaign against an opponent who is a physician. Voters in the 6th re-elected Lucy McBath, an AA, who advocates gun control after one of her son was murdered. McBath and Ilhan Omar are also on the Education Committee. Nearly all of the Rep members opposed certifying the electoral votes of Arizona and Pennsylvania.
                                        The Republican members on the Ed Committee have seven women of their twenty-four member and the one AA who is male.

                                        The Dem members are more diverse. Ethnically, Of the twenty-six, six are AA, three are hispanics, one was born in India, one other is also Asian American whose family was sent to an internment camp during WWII, one was born in Somalia, one is from the Mariana islands. Three are Jewish. One is Muslim. Three are gay.

                                        Nine of the Dems have worked in Education either as teachers or administrators. One of the twenty-four Republican members of the Education Committee has worked in education.

                                        Two days into her first term One of the newly elected Reps, Marjorie Miller from Illinois, on the Committee said:
                                        On January 5, 2021, two days into her House term, in a prepared speech to the conservative group Moms for America during a "Save the Republic" rally the day before the Capitol was stormed, she quoted Adolf Hitler, saying: "Each generation has the responsibility to teach and train the next generation. You know, if we win a few elections, we're still going to be losing unless we win the hearts and minds of our children. This is the battle. Hitler was right on one thing. He said, whoever has the youth has the future."

                                        A number of groups and politicians strongly condemned the comment, harshly criticized Miller, and exhorted the Republican party to do likewise. Public statements were issued by the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, Anti-Defamation League, World Jewish Congress, and multiple lawmakers including Adam Kinzinger and Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker. Representative Jan Schakowsky, Senator Tammy Duckworth, and the Illinois Legislative Jewish Caucus called for Miller's resignation.
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                                        • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                          The problem is journalists are going to elevate her and get quotes from her, and those quotes...right or wrong...will be used against the GOP.
                                          Journos will twist anything they can against the GOP. Greene is a nut and they'll try to pretend she's the face of the party. Mitch and McCarthy will distance appropriately.
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                                          • McCarthy is letting MTG run hog wild. Strip her of her committee and denounce her. The media will applaud you.

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                                            • Not sure whether to place this in here or the Police State, so I'll drop it in both.

                                              Watched a great documentary on The Night Stalker Richard Ramirez. Hours upon hours put in by the police, with some evidence not published on purpose so Ramirez doesn't know they have some evidence that relates directly to him. Ramirez decides to take his killing spree to San Francisco. LA detectives notice the similarities of the crimes in SF with those in the LA area. They fly to SF to discuss with the police.

                                              SF CoP brings then Mayor Dianne Feinstein up to date and the possibility they have a serial killer among them. Feinstein decides to hold a press conference and lays out all of the evidence both the LA and SF police have, including the evidence they wanted to keep secret so Ramirez wouldn't be tipped off.

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                                              • The Week's Matthew Walther just published an article titled "Rise of the Barstool conservatives":

                                                Over the coming months, hundreds of thousands of words will be written about Donald Trump's presidency and the future of the Republican Party. This seems to me a mostly fruitless endeavor, not least because the relationship between Trump and his adopted party was very publicly transactional. He used the GOP to win the White House with very little help from the institutional party, whose leaders abandoned him on the eve of two successive general elections, and they were happy to allow him to appoint 234 judges to the federal bench and sign one tax bill in the first year of his administration. Trump will disappear from the political considerations of Republican elected officials as swiftly as he entered them on the fateful day of the escalator.

                                                A more interesting question is what effect Trump had upon the so-called "conservative movement," that somewhat more nebulous entity, with its magazines, its think tanks and conferences, its canons of half-understood books, its pantheons of gods and heroes. Despite what some have argued, the movement and its institutions have never been synonymous with the Republican Party, which tacitly made its peace with the New Deal when the oldest living Americans were children. What the movement offered the party instead was a kind of geological survey: a map of the sedimentary layers in American political life, and the potential riches waiting to be unearthed by skillful miners of right-wing public opinion.

                                                Like many observers, including an enormous number of the president's loudest detractors, I believe that Trump brought the conservative movement to an end. But what its destruction means is something very different from the prophecies of permanent Democratic supermajorities issuing forth from the former president's critics. Trump's greatest achievement, one that speaks far more than his actual record in office to his business acumen, was recognizing that in the 2012 presidential election, the old movement vein had been exhausted and that a much richer one was awaiting exploration.

                                                What Trump recognized was that there are millions of Americans who do not oppose or even care about abortion or same-sex marriage, much less stem-cell research or any of the other causes that had animated traditional social conservatives. Instead he correctly intuited that the new culture war would be fought over very different (and more nebulous) issues: vague concerns about political correctness and "SJWs," opposition to the popularization of so-called critical race theory, sentimentality about the American flag and the military, the rights of male undergraduates to engage in fornication while intoxicated without fear of the Title IX mafia. Whatever their opinions might have been 20 years ago, in 2021 these are people who, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, accept pornography, homosexuality, drug use, legalized gambling, and whatever GamerGate was about. On economic questions their views are a curious and at times incoherent mixture of standard libertarian talking points and pseudo-populism, embracing lower taxes on the one hand and stimulus checks and stricter regulation of social media platforms on the other.

                                                I have come to think of the people who answer to the above description as "Barstool conservatives," in reference to the popular sports website, especially its founder and CEO, Dave Portnoy. For many years the political significance of Barstool was implicit at best, reflected mainly in its conflicts with Deadspin and other members of the tacitly liberal sports journalism establishment.

                                                But in the last year, as Portnoy emerged as one of America's most visible critics of the lockdown policies instituted by virtually every state governor, it became clear to me that more so than anyone else he embodied the world view of millions of Americans, who share his disdain for the language of liberal improvement, the hectoring, schoolmarmish attitude of Democratic politicians and their allies in the media, and, above all, the elevation of risk-aversion to the level of a first-order principle by our professional classes. This, I suspect, is why in the last 24 hours I have received several text messages asking me whether I thought he had any interest in running for president. (My guess is no, though I also believe that his prospects for electoral success would be decent.)

                                                Regardless of Portnoy's own ambitions, I fully expect the future of the Republican Party to belong to Barstool conservatives, which is to say, to a growing but so far almost invisible coalition that could very well carry the White House. The Barstool conservative movement will not have institutions in any recognizable sense, certainly not think tanks or highbrow magazines, but it will be larger, more geographically disparate, younger, and probably more male. It will also, I suspect, be more racially diverse, much like the portion of the electorate that gave Trump 74 million votes in 2020.

                                                Where will Barstool conservatism leave what remains of the old conservative movement? In the case of free market dogmatists, I believe there is almost zero daylight between them. The policy papers on why blockchain-enabled futures markets in organ donation brought to you by ManScaped will revitalize Dayton, Ohio, will write themselves. Meanwhile, a small number of earnest social conservatives will be disgusted. But I suspect that a majority of them will gladly make their peace with the new order of things.

                                                This is in part because while Barstool conservatives might regard, say, homeschooling families of 10 as freaks, they do not regard them with loathing, much less consider their very existence a threat to the American way of life as they understand it. Social conservatives themselves have largely accepted that, with the possible exception of abortion, the great battles have been lost for good. Oberfegell will never be overturned even with nine votes on the Supreme Court. Instead the best that can be hoped for is a kind of recusancy, a limited accommodation for a few hundred thousand families who cling to traditions that in the decades to come will appear as bizarre as those of the Pennsylvania Dutch.

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                                                • Originally posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
                                                  The Week's Matthew Walther just published an article titled "Rise of the Barstool conservatives":
                                                  Rough and Rowdy brought to you live from the South Lawn of the White House. Hell yeah!
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                                                  • Originally posted by PerthDomer View Post
                                                    McCarthy is letting MTG run hog wild. Strip her of her committee and denounce her. The media will applaud you.
                                                    McCarthy should do what is right, but when the GOP gets in the game of appeasing the media for coverage- we're in trouble. We don't need to try to appease the media wing of the DNC. Steve King got ousted and had a chair in the corner where nobody walked by him. She can take his chair.
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                                                    • https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...lengers-464821

                                                      2 sane Senate Democrats remain and they are the only thing holding back the deluge of Schumer's radical agenda. So- clearly they must go.

                                                      No Excuses PAC is already recruiting to primary them!
                                                      Manchin and Sinema’s opposition to eliminating the legislative filibuster — which requires a 60-vote threshold for most legislation — is the main reason No Excuses is putting a call out for possible challengers. Progressives have increasingly pressed Senate Democrats and President Joe Biden to end the filibuster, arguing that in an evenly divided Senate it will be nearly impossible to find enough Republicans to pass major pieces of Biden’s agenda.

                                                      “The only real way to pressure any of these folks and hold them accountable to their promises is to threaten their power, and threaten the seat that they hold and threaten their reelection,” said Chakrabarti, who is also a former chief-of-staff to Ocasio-Cortez. “We sort of have this theory that the voters in Arizona and the voters in West Virginia would care more about action, they care more about jobs and their community and money in their pockets than they do about an arcane Senate rule called the filibuster.”

                                                      In an email to supporters Tuesday, the PAC will say, “Help us find the next AOC to replace Manchin and Sinema.” It urges its grassroots base to aid them to “run ads telling Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema that they will be primaried and replaced in 2024 if they join with Republicans to shrink their own party’s pandemic, climate, and economic plans.”
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                                                      • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                        https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...lengers-464821

                                                        2 sane Senate Democrats remain and they are the only thing holding back the deluge of Schumer's radical agenda. So- clearly they must go.

                                                        No Excuses PAC is already recruiting to primary them!
                                                        Dems using blackmail to get their way!

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                                                        • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                          https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...lengers-464821

                                                          2 sane Senate Democrats remain and they are the only thing holding back the deluge of Schumer's radical agenda. So- clearly they must go.

                                                          No Excuses PAC is already recruiting to primary them!
                                                          Lol. Do that PAC exist to get Republicans elected?

                                                          Jesus Christ could run as a Democrat in WV and lose by 15 points.
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                                                          • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                            Lol. Do that PAC exist to get Republicans elected?

                                                            Jesus Christ could run as a Democrat in WV and lose by 15 points.
                                                            Jesus Christ, statistically, has seen a rapid decline in support since the 90s.

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                                                            • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                              Lol. Do that PAC exist to get Republicans elected?

                                                              Jesus Christ could run as a Democrat in WV and lose by 15 points.
                                                              Well, Joe Manchin pulled it off a few times now. He's sane and I get that they like him, but if he were to retire then I would expect a solid R victory. That assumes the state doesn't all learn to code and become the next Silicon Valley in the next four years.
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                                                              • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
                                                                bOtH sIdEs.

                                                                In no way, can AOC be compared to MTG.
                                                                I’d say the best Dem comp to MTG is former GA congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney. I guess GA can’t resist a batshit crazy congressperson from either side of the aisle. The Reps should do to Greene what the Dems did to McKinney which is let the process work. She’ll be ignored and her sane party colleagues will distance themselves from her. Then she’ll get primaried & GA can be done with her.

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                                                                • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                                  Jesus Christ, statistically, has seen a rapid decline in support since the 90s.
                                                                  Jesus Christ or Christianity?

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                                                                  • Some people here know little to nothing about my old home state's politics. The senators from WV have been blue since 1958, and Capito is the lone exception. She is the daughter of several times governor Arch Moore whom the citizens liked greatly. Capito is about as moderate as a Republican Senator gets, questioning Trump's candidacy early, especially as regards what she felt was a bad tone to his comments. She supported the president, but hardly absolutely, differing on many social issues. She agreed to Joe Biden's winning the election by end of November, and Trump singled her and a small group out for being RINOs.

                                                                    Jesus Christ would win in a landslide, despite his liberal social agenda. So would Jay Rockefeller were he still with us. There is a lot of profound ignorance (or deliberate trolling) which goes on here. But, hey, who cares about making any sense, it's all just a hoot.

                                                                    As Mountain William, the legendary West Virginian philosopher, says: Folks tend to smell like what they roll in.

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                                                                    • Originally posted by Old Man Mike View Post
                                                                      Some people here know little to nothing about my old home state's politics. The senators from WV have been blue since 1958, and Capito is the lone exception. She is the daughter of several times governor Arch Moore whom the citizens liked greatly. Capito is about as moderate as a Republican Senator gets, questioning Trump's candidacy early, especially as regards what she felt was a bad tone to his comments. She supported the president, but hardly absolutely, differing on many social issues. She agreed to Joe Biden's winning the election by end of November, and Trump singled her and a small group out for being RINOs.

                                                                      Jesus Christ would win in a landslide, despite his liberal social agenda. So would Jay Rockefeller were he still with us. There is a lot of profound ignorance (or deliberate trolling) which goes on here. But, hey, who cares about making any sense, it's all just a hoot.

                                                                      As Mountain William, the legendary West Virginian philosopher, says: Folks tend to smell like what they roll in.
                                                                      Manchin had a pretty close election last time. He's getting old too, not sure how long he plans on continuing. Every house rep in WV is red and won by big margins. Manchin's colleague Capito won by 40+ points in November.

                                                                      Unless there is some very big shift in WV, its pretty likely WV's days of sending Democrats to Washington are probably numbered. That ain't trolling or ignorance.
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                                                                      • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                                        I’d say the best Dem comp to MTG is former GA congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney. I guess GA can’t resist a batshit crazy congressperson from either side of the aisle. The Reps should do to Greene what the Dems did to McKinney which is let the process work. She’ll be ignored and her sane party colleagues will distance themselves from her. Then she’ll get primaried & GA can be done with her.
                                                                        MTG is irrelevant and getting a ton of media attention from the left because they want to act like she is mainstream and indicative of the party. Unlike every other recent batshit crazy Rep, she is being pushed aside publicly by her own party who isn't playing her game. That doesn't stop the cameras from focusing on her because... narrative/agenda/propaganda.

                                                                        Also- Georgia is a pipeline for underqualified Reps and MTGs dumbest moment doesn't defeat this gem from Georgia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

                                                                        Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                        Manchin had a pretty close election last time. He's getting old too, not sure how long he plans on continuing. Every house rep in WV is red and won by big margins. Manchin's colleague Capito won by 40+ points in November.

                                                                        Unless there is some very big shift in WV, its pretty likely WV's days of sending Democrats to Washington are probably numbered. That ain't trolling or ignorance.
                                                                        Facing a red threat and colleagues who are publicly ungrateful- I'd bet he calls it good before the next re-election.
                                                                        Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                                        • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                          MTG is irrelevant and getting a ton of media attention from the left because they want to act like she is mainstream and indicative of the party. Unlike every other recent batshit crazy Rep, she is being pushed aside publicly by her own party who isn't playing her game. That doesn't stop the cameras from focusing on her because... narrative/agenda/propaganda.

                                                                          Also- Georgia is a pipeline for underqualified Reps and MTGs dumbest moment doesn't defeat this gem from Georgia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q



                                                                          Facing a red threat and colleagues who are publicly ungrateful- I'd bet he calls it good before the next re-election.
                                                                          lol eh no sign of that yet
                                                                          What did Davonte do?

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                                                                          • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                            MTG is irrelevant and getting a ton of media attention from the left because they want to act like she is mainstream and indicative of the party. Unlike every other recent batshit crazy Rep, she is being pushed aside publicly by her own party who isn't playing her game. That doesn't stop the cameras from focusing on her because... narrative/agenda/propaganda.

                                                                            Also- Georgia is a pipeline for underqualified Reps and MTGs dumbest moment doesn't defeat this gem from Georgia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q


                                                                            That was my point regarding batshit crazy reps. They come in all stripes from all states. She just happens to be the latest. She won’t last one term.

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                                                                            • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                              MTG is irrelevant and getting a ton of media attention from the left because they want to act like she is mainstream and indicative of the party. Unlike every other recent batshit crazy Rep, she is being pushed aside publicly by her own party who isn't playing her game. That doesn't stop the cameras from focusing on her because... narrative/agenda/propaganda.

                                                                              Also- Georgia is a pipeline for underqualified Reps and MTGs dumbest moment doesn't defeat this gem from Georgia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

                                                                              Facing a red threat and colleagues who are publicly ungrateful- I'd bet he calls it good before the next re-election.
                                                                              It's worth combining OMM's and Whiskey's article from Walther for a reasonable assessment of the dynamics operating in the once Grand Old Party today. Also, it appears she will not be censured or deprived of her committee seats because the leaders like the Hawleys and Cruz's decided that the new appeal is those who feel deprived because of powers beyond their control and cultural disdain rather than issues. Feed the division.

                                                                              Meanwhile, when elected, the same leaders will take away their healthcare and social programs, give tax breaks that favor capitalist greed, ignore job retraining for future personal financial success, and call the moderates RINOs. Blame the MSM and coastal pols in the other party. Your rights are being stolen and your votes mean nothing. Your populist movement must move to more extreme measures to preserve your way of life. Regulations on corporate expansions to bring a degree of a future favorable environment threaten your jobs. Arm yourselves. Don't give an inch.

                                                                              An excerpt from Walther's article:
                                                                              What Trump recognized was that there are millions of Americans who do not oppose or even care about abortion or same-sex marriage, much less stem-cell research or any of the other causes that had animated traditional social conservatives. Instead he correctly intuited that the new culture war would be fought over very different (and more nebulous) issues: vague concerns about political correctness and "SJWs," opposition to the popularization of so-called critical race theory, sentimentality about the American flag and the military, the rights of male undergraduates to engage in fornication while intoxicated without fear of the Title IX mafia. Whatever their opinions might have been 20 years ago, in 2021 these are people who, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, accept pornography, homosexuality, drug use, legalized gambling, and whatever GamerGate was about. On economic questions their views are a curious and at times incoherent mixture of standard libertarian talking points and pseudo-populism, embracing lower taxes on the one hand and stimulus checks and stricter regulation of social media platforms on the other.

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                                                                              • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                lol eh no sign of that yet
                                                                                She was called cancer by McConnell only a day or so ago amongst other criticisms.

                                                                                Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                                                That was my point regarding batshit crazy reps. They come in all stripes from all states. She just happens to be the latest. She won’t last one term.
                                                                                The threshold seems low for the US House. Especially in non-competitive districts.

                                                                                Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                                                It's worth combining OMM's and Whiskey's article from Walther for a reasonable assessment of the dynamics operating in the once Grand Old Party today. Also, it appears she will not be censured or deprived of her committee seats because the leaders like the Hawleys and Cruz's decided that the new appeal is those who feel deprived because of powers beyond their control and cultural disdain rather than issues. Feed the division.

                                                                                Meanwhile, when elected, the same leaders will take away their healthcare and social programs, give tax breaks that favor capitalist greed, ignore job retraining for future personal financial success, and call the moderates RINOs. Blame the MSM and coastal pols in the other party. Your rights are being stolen and your votes mean nothing. Your populist movement must move to more extreme measures to preserve your way of life. Regulations on corporate expansions to bring a degree of a future favorable environment threaten your jobs. Arm yourselves. Don't give an inch.

                                                                                An excerpt from Walther's article:
                                                                                It's a bit of a skewed and holier than thou take with a Maddow view of the party- but not miles off. I've called this confrontational politics. Designed to stir anger, dig the divide, raise money, and accomplish nothing. MTG's top staffer raised tons of money doing this in the Georgia statehouse and many think of him as a scammer and intentional agitator. When I heard she hired him, I knew where this was going. She will say whatever gets the camera and accomplish nothing. I hope she lasts less than one term, but the problem isn't unique to the GOP- well those dynamics may be, but the problem is that people don't think and just fall in line with the propaganda.

                                                                                Conservatives demanding a check has been my biggest face palm of the year, but yeah- unusual times.
                                                                                Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                                  She was called cancer by McConnell only a day or so ago amongst other criticisms.
                                                                                  Incorrect. He never referred to her by name.

                                                                                  Also low and behold as soon as Dems rightfully call for MTG to be removed the GOP hatches this ridiculous and pathetic scheme

                                                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s be clear: this false equivalency is a pathetically desperate smear rooted in racism, misogyny, and Islamophobia. Marjorie Taylor Greene has incited violence against her fellow members of Congress. She&#39;s unfit to serve, even by today&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GOP?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GOP</a> standards.<a href="https://t.co/t0X2B56Wgt">https://t.co/t0X2B56Wgt</a></p>&mdash; Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib (@RepRashida) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepRashida/status/1356998358733357058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                                                  What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                  • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                                    She was called cancer by McConnell only a day or so ago amongst other criticisms.


                                                                                    The threshold seems low for the US House. Especially in non-competitive districts.


                                                                                    It's a bit of a skewed and holier than thou take with a Maddow view of the party- but not miles off. I've called this confrontational politics. Designed to stir anger, dig the divide, raise money, and accomplish nothing. MTG's top staffer raised tons of money doing this in the Georgia statehouse and many think of him as a scammer and intentional agitator. When I heard she hired him, I knew where this was going. She will say whatever gets the camera and accomplish nothing. I hope she lasts less than one term, but the problem isn't unique to the GOP- well those dynamics may be, but the problem is that people don't think and just fall in line with the propaganda.

                                                                                    Conservatives demanding a check has been my biggest face palm of the year, but yeah- unusual times.
                                                                                    I am not familiar with Maddow except that I have seen her on Sunday and for election shows. So I don't understand what the similarity is. I have seen that your posts are heavy on blaming the media for ills, but I still believe people make up their own minds, filtering out those who are on the margins or contribute nothing to government. I don't watch any of the nightly cable opinion programs.

                                                                                    Comment on the main points of my post or Whiskey's Walther article only if you wish to.

                                                                                    As far as the House Education Committee in the last Congress, 437 bills were introduced with much of the work going to Subcommittees, of course, four were passed by the House and three by the Senate.
                                                                                    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...2697&bill_type[]=3
                                                                                    Bills passed by the House include bills on Diversity (passed House only), Holocaust Memorial (signed by Pres), and Recognizing Inspiring School Employees (RISE) Award Program establishment (signed) and Coronavirus relief for Child care (signed). The Dems on the Education Committee are pretty diverse and with a number of prior educators. One out twenty-four Reps on the Committee has education experience. All are white with Betsy DeVos goals.
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                                                                                    • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                      Incorrect. He never referred to her by name.

                                                                                      Also low and behold as soon as Dems rightfully call for MTG to be removed the GOP hatches this ridiculous and pathetic scheme

                                                                                      <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s be clear: this false equivalency is a pathetically desperate smear rooted in racism, misogyny, and Islamophobia. Marjorie Taylor Greene has incited violence against her fellow members of Congress. She's unfit to serve, even by today's <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GOP?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GOP</a> standards.<a href="https://t.co/t0X2B56Wgt">https://t.co/t0X2B56Wgt</a></p>&mdash; Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib (@RepRashida) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepRashida/status/1356998358733357058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                                                      You seem to know who he was talking about, no?
                                                                                      Tlaib... lol
                                                                                      Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                                                                                      I am not familiar with Maddow except that I have seen her on Sunday and for election shows. So I don't understand what the similarity is. I have seen that your posts are heavy on blaming the media for ills, but I still believe people make up their own minds, filtering out those who are on the margins or contribute nothing to government. I don't watch any of the nightly cable opinion programs.

                                                                                      Comment on the main points of my post or Whiskey's Walther article only if you wish to.
                                                                                      My point is that this view of the GOP seems to be selective and heavily skewed from a liberal point of view. It's how someone who doesn't like the GOP would try to characterize it. It's not the GOP that I see and hear. The party isn't MTG, the media wants it to be MTG.

                                                                                      It's obvious that some of these issues cited in terms of things like being annoyed by SJWs, critical race theory or cancel culture may be common, but the author tries to paint the GOP as isolated to pro-life Christians. The party and the base have evolved and it needs to in order to continue to be relevant. Trump offered a unique brand and many wage earners who traditionally voted D swapped over in the last cycle while suburban women flocked to the left. My favorite trend when I did the PAC work was union workers moving right because they didn't feel like the D's that the union hall was pushing was representing them anymore. Many interesting dynamics going on but I believe this author is trying to intentionally paint an unflattering image of a party he doesn't care for vice an insightful reflection of a new reality.
                                                                                      Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                        Incorrect. He never referred to her by name.
                                                                                        lol, you read his statement and that's your takeaway?
                                                                                        Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                          Incorrect. He never referred to her by name.

                                                                                          Also low and behold as soon as Dems rightfully call for MTG to be removed the GOP hatches this ridiculous and pathetic scheme
                                                                                          Just for you and by name!

                                                                                          https://www.republicanleader.gov/lea...taylor-greene/
                                                                                          Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by drayer54 View Post
                                                                                            You seem to know who he was talking about, no?
                                                                                            Tlaib... lol


                                                                                            My point is that this view of the GOP seems to be selective and heavily skewed from a liberal point of view. It's how someone who doesn't like the GOP would try to characterize it. It's not the GOP that I see and hear. The party isn't MTG, the media wants it to be MTG.

                                                                                            It's obvious that some of these issues cited in terms of things like being annoyed by SJWs, critical race theory or cancel culture may be common, but the author tries to paint the GOP as isolated to pro-life Christians. The party and the base have evolved and it needs to in order to continue to be relevant. Trump offered a unique brand and many wage earners who traditionally voted D swapped over in the last cycle while suburban women flocked to the left. My favorite trend when I did the PAC work was union workers moving right because they didn't feel like the D's that the union hall was pushing was representing them anymore. Many interesting dynamics going on but I believe this author is trying to intentionally paint an unflattering image of a party he doesn't care for vice an insightful reflection of a new reality.
                                                                                            Ok. I'm similar to Maddow and so many of the extreme examples that keep getting posted on this board or any of the Rep leaders who strenuously criticize her behavior and say there is no room in the Party for her, right? Yes, I think the party has "evolved" and lost its soul. Trump's "brand" that has evolved to where he is the major player in the Party and supports MTG and her views when she ran for office. Disgusting to the majority of Americans including me.

                                                                                            She hasn't publicly apologized for any of her statements. This Party used to maintain a basic standard. Steve King would not have had his committee assignments taken away in the way this Party has "evolved". Cancel culture? MSM? Socialism? Unflattering picture? SJWs? There's no place in this Party for Trump's so-called RINOs, but there is room for someone who calls for the execution of all Dems. Lots of sycophants though, who refuse to sanction someone like MTG.

                                                                                            Disgusting. But that's how they define "relevancy".

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                                                                                            • Being a former college prof, I was made a little more hopeful when I heard former Republican governor and fiscal conservative Mark Sanford say that he felt that the party could regain its reputation and future by embracing and demonstrating the following five things which were lacking over the past four years:

                                                                                              1. Adherence to Truth;
                                                                                              2. A Tone which is not Tone-deaf;
                                                                                              3. Return to Reason;
                                                                                              4. Understanding and utilization of Science;
                                                                                              5. Understanding of Math.

                                                                                              That list is simply terrific as a set of guide posts for knowledge and analysis based upon knowledge, and education of the citizenry about real matters confronting our country and the whole world.

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                                                                                              • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More:<br><br>-- Romney plan would zero out existing US programs, such as TANF &amp; CDCC<br><br>-- Several experts said families would overwhelmingly come out ahead, but some argued plan would be better if those were kept<br><br>-- Romney plan would be permanent, not 1 year<a href="https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa">https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1357345695640870921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                                                                This is a GREAT proposal from Romney. Basically UBI for children, and will likely do wonders for child poverty. It would replace existing programs/credits with recurring monthly child payments that get clawed back through taxes for people with high earnings.

                                                                                                Truly one of the most "every day life" impactful pieces of legislation we've seen in awhile, and I'm interested to see what happens with it. I think there is a reasonable chance that this passes as an amendment.
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                                                                                                • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

                                                                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: <a href="https://twitter.com/MittRomney?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MittRomney</a> unveils plan to provide $3K per child, giving bipartisan support to President Biden’s major effort around child poverty<br><br>Romney plan would also offer $4,200/year per child under 6<br><br>Expect it as amendment to Dems budget resolution today<a href="https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa">https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1357344348979875848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                                                                  This is a GREAT proposal from Romney. Basically UBI for children, and will likely do wonders for child poverty. It would replace existing programs/credits with recurring monthly child payments that get clawed back through taxes for people with high earnings.

                                                                                                  Truly one of the most "every day life" impactful pieces of legislation we've seen in awhile, and I'm interested to see what happens with it. I think there is a reasonable chance that this passes as an amendment.
                                                                                                  Based on one economist I recently listened to, this could eradicate childhood poverty in the US. My biggest question is how are the parents or guardians held accountable to spending it for its intended use.

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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post

                                                                                                    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More:<br><br>-- Romney plan would zero out existing US programs, such as TANF &amp; CDCC<br><br>-- Several experts said families would overwhelmingly come out ahead, but some argued plan would be better if those were kept<br><br>-- Romney plan would be permanent, not 1 year<a href="https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa">https://t.co/aHSIVrioVa</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1357345695640870921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                                                                    This is a GREAT proposal from Romney. Basically UBI for children, and will likely do wonders for child poverty. It would replace existing programs/credits with recurring monthly child payments that get clawed back through taxes for people with high earnings.

                                                                                                    Truly one of the most "every day life" impactful pieces of legislation we've seen in awhile, and I'm interested to see what happens with it. I think there is a reasonable chance that this passes as an amendment.
                                                                                                    Whiskey had a great post in the Economics thread detailing the benefits of going towards a UBI vs tax credits on a year end tax return filing.

                                                                                                    This would be tremendous, intervening at an early stage is always cheaper and more effective than say no-charge college.

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                                                                      Based on one economist I recently listened to, this could eradicate childhood poverty in the US. My biggest question is how are the parents or guardians held accountable to spending it for its intended use.
                                                                                                      This is certainly the trickiest part, and "bad parents" will undoubtedly be the primary contributor to childhood poverty/hunger if this policy is implemented.

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