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  • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Christopher Lasch on the illusions of the neoliberal meritocratic cosmopolitans, writing as they ascended during Clinton&#39;s first term. <a href="https://t.co/MTC5HUHFz5">pic.twitter.com/MTC5HUHFz5</a></p>&mdash; Sticky Shoe (@shoe_sticky) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoe_sticky/status/1334502562247172097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    Standard disclaimer that he he doesn't use "liberal" to mean "American center-left", but basically "western".

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    • If the politicians caught out at eateries and private dinners wasn't enough....

      This is all you know about the Left, Hollywood, and Cali...

      <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bar owner in Los Angeles CA is livid to see that mayor Garcetti has approved an outdoor dining area for a movie company directly across from her outdoor dining area (which was shut down) <a href="https://t.co/jkUP2CWg35">pic.twitter.com/jkUP2CWg35</a></p>&mdash; Jake Coco 💙🇺🇸🎶🐻 (@jakecoco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jakecoco/status/1334993874276786178?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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      • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
        If the politicians caught out at eateries and private dinners wasn't enough....

        This is all you know about the Left, Hollywood, and Cali...

        <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bar owner in Los Angeles CA is livid to see that mayor Garcetti has approved an outdoor dining area for a movie company directly across from her outdoor dining area (which was shut down) <a href="https://t.co/jkUP2CWg35">pic.twitter.com/jkUP2CWg35</a></p>&mdash; Jake Coco 💙🇺🇸🎶🐻 (@jakecoco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jakecoco/status/1334993874276786178?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
        The dumb thing is, people will continue to vote for this sort of thing. Democrat or Republican doesn't really matter here though it's been nearly entirely one side of the aisle so far. This is insulting to constituents.
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        • Gotta love those Oregon folks... Holy cow... And this one is teaching little kids...
          <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bend?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bend</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Oregon?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Oregon</a><br>(Earlier)<br>A woman confronts and shouts at a group of anti-lockdown demonstrators from her vehicle in Bend, OR, earlier today. <a href="https://t.co/jBHJTa7EoP">pic.twitter.com/jBHJTa7EoP</a></p>&mdash; Shane B. Murphy (@shanermurph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shanermurph/status/1335756575605202944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



          Better cancel your Christmas, but not because of Covid... sheesh.
          <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">St. Anthony resident receives anonymous letter chastising them for their Christmas light display and calls it a reminder of &quot;systemic biases against our neighbors who don&#39;t celebrate Christmas or can&#39;t afford to put up lights of their own.&quot;<br>It further calls the lights &quot;harmful.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/Xh11jbnswz">pic.twitter.com/Xh11jbnswz</a></p>&mdash; CrimeWatchMpls (@CrimeWatchMpls) <a href="https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1336049824391688194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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          • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
            Better cancel your Christmas, but not because of Covid... sheesh.
            <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">St. Anthony resident receives anonymous letter chastising them for their Christmas light display and calls it a reminder of &quot;systemic biases against our neighbors who don't celebrate Christmas or can't afford to put up lights of their own.&quot;<br>It further calls the lights &quot;harmful.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/Xh11jbnswz">pic.twitter.com/Xh11jbnswz</a></p>&mdash; CrimeWatchMpls (@CrimeWatchMpls) <a href="https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1336049824391688194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
            This kinda shows the power of social media and its harm. You really have no idea if this is the work of a crazy person, or if it's completely made up. It's isn't even worth the time I'm taking to write this, but hey with social media it'll get seen over and over and over and the sentiments of PC culture get division get ratcheted up.

            I guess it's just ridiculous that someone would write this, but also ridiculous that someone would share it.

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            • Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
              This kinda shows the power of social media and its harm. You really have no idea if this is the work of a crazy person, or if it's completely made up. It's isn't even worth the time I'm taking to write this, but hey with social media it'll get seen over and over and over and the sentiments of PC culture get division get ratcheted up.

              I guess it's just ridiculous that someone would write this, but also ridiculous that someone would share it.
              Some of it is just textbook fodder to get the essily misinformed outraged and worked up. The Right isn't a Nazi cult and the Left doesn't want to turn your kid gay or "cancel" Santa.

              Almost certain this letter is fake lol

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              • Originally posted by BilboBaggins View Post
                This kinda shows the power of social media and its harm. You really have no idea if this is the work of a crazy person, or if it's completely made up. It's isn't even worth the time I'm taking to write this, but hey with social media it'll get seen over and over and over and the sentiments of PC culture get division get ratcheted up.

                I guess it's just ridiculous that someone would write this, but also ridiculous that someone would share it.
                In the age of shaming/guilting/cancelling/PC, nothing at all surprises me.
                The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                  Some of it is just textbook fodder to get the essily misinformed outraged and worked up. The Right isn't a Nazi cult and the Left doesn't want to turn your kid gay or "cancel" Santa.

                  Almost certain this letter is fake lol
                  I mean, in the last couple years, 2 teachers, one in NJ, and one in NY, told their 1st or 2nd graders that Santa wasn't real...
                  The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
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                  • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                    I mean, in the last couple years, 2 teachers, one in NJ, and one in NY, told their 1st or 2nd graders that Santa wasn't real...
                    My grade 3 teacher told me Santa wasn't real, and if IIRC my grade 2 teacher told me about the tooth fairy. Public school up here was a trip lol

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                    • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                      My grade 3 teacher told me Santa wasn't real, and if IIRC my grade 2 teacher told me about the tooth fairy. Public school up here was a trip lol
                      My mom has the newspaper article somewhere at home.... the local paper asked the kindergartens in town what they wanted from Santa and my answer was I knew Santa was fake news
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                      • ... what a sad but heroic childhood.

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                        • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                          <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">St. Anthony resident receives anonymous letter chastising them for their Christmas light display and calls it a reminder of &quot;systemic biases against our neighbors who don't celebrate Christmas or can't afford to put up lights of their own.&quot;<br>It further calls the lights &quot;harmful.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/Xh11jbnswz">pic.twitter.com/Xh11jbnswz</a></p>&mdash; CrimeWatchMpls (@CrimeWatchMpls) <a href="https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1336049824391688194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                          I doubt the authenticity of this, but it DOES remind me of an incident I had with some friends a few days after the 9/11 attacks.

                          A few of us were out in the driveway on our bikes just hanging out and getting ready to go ride somewhere. This little red hatchback Honda Civic pulls up with a 20-something guy driving and his hot blonde girlfriend in the passenger seat. I won't ever forget their look, as in retrospect, they could not have been more cliché. They looked like cast members from Cruel Intentions. The dude had spiked and gelled hair, super thin reading glasses, and was wearing a black turtle neck. The chick had a black sweater on, was holding a big coffee cup, and had the "let me speak to your manager" face despite being a smoke show.

                          They stop on the edge of the road blocking the driveway, and they roll the window down. No intro, no "hey, how are you guys," she just gets right into it: "If you were proud to be Americans, you guys wouldn't be on those bikes right now. There are kids in the middle east that are about to be in a war, and they don't get to ride bikes on the weekends."

                          They had the audacity to stop in front of a group of 10-12 year-olds, and to try and tell us about our privilege, WHILE DRIVING AN AUTOMOBILE, WEARING DESIGNER TURTLE NECKS AND HOLDING STARBUCKS COFFEE.

                          Just people that are detached from reality, and deciding it's time to make the world what they think it should be.

                          I wish I had thought quick enough to say, "If I have to get off of my bike to show how proud I am, why are you driving that car?"

                          Instead, my friend's mom came out and lit her up for stopping and harassing a group of young kids and told her that she'd pull the chick out of the car if she needed to. They drove off.

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                          • Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
                            I doubt the authenticity of this, but it DOES remind me of an incident I had with some friends a few days after the 9/11 attacks.

                            A few of us were out in the driveway on our bikes just hanging out and getting ready to go ride somewhere. This little red hatchback Honda Civic pulls up with a 20-something guy driving and his hot blonde girlfriend in the passenger seat. I won't ever forget their look, as in retrospect, they could not have been more cliché. They looked like cast members from Cruel Intentions. The dude had spiked and gelled hair, super thin reading glasses, and was wearing a black turtle neck. The chick had a black sweater on, was holding a big coffee cup, and had the "let me speak to your manager" face despite being a smoke show.

                            They stop on the edge of the road blocking the driveway, and they roll the window down. No intro, no "hey, how are you guys," she just gets right into it: "If you were proud to be Americans, you guys wouldn't be on those bikes right now. There are kids in the middle east that are about to be in a war, and they don't get to ride bikes on the weekends."

                            They had the audacity to stop in front of a group of 10-12 year-olds, and to try and tell us about our privilege, WHILE DRIVING AN AUTOMOBILE, WEARING DESIGNER TURTLE NECKS AND HOLDING STARBUCKS COFFEE.

                            Just people that are detached from reality, and deciding it's time to make the world what they think it should be.

                            I wish I had thought quick enough to say, "If I have to get off of my bike to show how proud I am, why are you driving that car?"

                            Instead, my friend's mom came out and lit her up for stopping and harassing a group of young kids and told her that she'd pull the chick out of the car if she needed to. They drove off.
                            Yep, folks can be that way regardless of the times. After posting this, I recalled an associate of mine who is wealthy, lives in a prominent area here in a big house on a moderately traffic'd road. Went to a Christmas party at his house about 5 years ago. I was in awe of his lights. Tasteful, but overwhelming.

                            I asked him how much his electric bill was. He laughed it off shaking his head, but did go into a bit of a rant about the letters/complaints he gets every year. Said he got shamed yearly for several different things. He said he always gets letters from some "green" activist types shaming him for the power usage, as well as some anti-religious folks complaining about Christian elements. Even some crazies complaining that his lights are a danger that will cause car wrecks.

                            I wouldn't doubt if he got similar letters to the twitter post this year shaming him for various SJW issues. Nothing surprises me anymore. People simply want to find something to be outraged about these days. Hope it falls out of fashion soon.
                            The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
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                            • Love Dungy. And he won't get attacked and canceled near as much by the lefty crowd.

                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am a pro-choice pastor.</p>&mdash; Reverend Raphael Warnock (@ReverendWarnock) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReverendWarnock/status/1336490801413632002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rev Warner may be a pastor. My question would be “Is he a Christian?” That is, does he follow the teachings of Jesus and does he believe that the Bible is the absolute word of God? <a href="https://t.co/cabHEGB2XX">https://t.co/cabHEGB2XX</a></p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1336816523084754944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I would think it would be difficult for someone who believes that God sees us when we are in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16) to think that it is OK to choose not to bring that life to fruition.</p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1336824850430767106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please read Psalm 139:13-16. Then tell me if you think God puts babies in the womb or man does? If you believe they randomly get there then I have no argument. But if you believe God puts them there, then how does anyone have a right to “choose” which ones survive?</p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1337025477119258625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What if I was advocating for the right to kill someone who was already born? Would that be morally OK? Of course not. The only question in this debate is what we think of the unborn baby? Is it a life or is it not?</p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1337024220761628679?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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                              • well this is awesome lol

                                <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mall Santa didn’t want to give Michael a Nerf gun for Christmas and made him cry. <br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/NRA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NRA</a> made it our mission to fix this and make Michael’s Christmas the best EVER. <a href="https://t.co/wpGAzcpqAs">pic.twitter.com/wpGAzcpqAs</a></p>&mdash; NRA (@NRA) <a href="https://twitter.com/NRA/status/1338276458582708225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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                                • McEnany kicked the crap out of the media today. One of her better moments.

                                  Between the long standing partinship and hypocrisy of the media, and the recent suppression efforts on Biden, Swalwell, etc. stories, it's pretty sad how dead journalism has become.
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                                  • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                    McEnany kicked the crap out of the media today. One of her better moments.

                                    Between the long standing partinship and hypocrisy of the media, and the recent suppression efforts on Biden, Swalwell, etc. stories, it's pretty sad how dead journalism has become.
                                    I dont think the media fully understands how much of a beating their reputation has taken over the last decade or so.

                                    There is a consistent theme of not challenging Democrat positions or politicians, attacking republican ones, etc.

                                    Remember when it was taboo to look into Hunter Biden? Now we find out the Feds have been investigating him for years? Remember the fact checks saying that there would not be a vaccine this year?

                                    I mean, we all know journalism as a field isn't going to attract smart people, but its wild to see how bad most of these people are at their job.

                                    After 8 years of practically blowing Barack Obama, they decided to go after Trump and Pence for 4 years without shame. Remember when they claimed that Trump was going to end the internet as we know it and Pence was gonna electrocute all the gays?

                                    Prepare for 2-3 years of softball questions for Joe and 4 years of fawning coverage of Kamala Harris. They will want to paint Joe's administration in a positive light if only so it can have a pleasant feeling when Kamala takes over or runs in 2024.

                                    There will be all sorts of profiles of her that attempt to make her look like both a YAS QUEEN pop culture icon, a tough but fair prosecutor, and a savvy politician when it's safe to say none of those are remotely true.

                                    American media is awful.
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                                    • Politics today with the media the way it is, is like playing a football game where all the officials are grads of the other school and have bet money on them to win. There's no longer even an attempt to appear unbiased or honest.
                                      Winners see success and want to climb up to its level. Losers see success and want to drag it down to their own.

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                                      • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                        I dont think the media fully understands how much of a beating their reputation has taken over the last decade or so.

                                        There is a consistent theme of not challenging Democrat positions or politicians, attacking republican ones, etc.

                                        Remember when it was taboo to look into Hunter Biden? Now we find out the Feds have been investigating him for years? Remember the fact checks saying that there would not be a vaccine this year?

                                        I mean, we all know journalism as a field isn't going to attract smart people, but its wild to see how bad most of these people are at their job.

                                        After 8 years of practically blowing Barack Obama, they decided to go after Trump and Pence for 4 years without shame. Remember when they claimed that Trump was going to end the internet as we know it and Pence was gonna electrocute all the gays?

                                        Prepare for 2-3 years of softball questions for Joe and 4 years of fawning coverage of Kamala Harris. They will want to paint Joe's administration in a positive light if only so it can have a pleasant feeling when Kamala takes over or runs in 2024.

                                        There will be all sorts of profiles of her that attempt to make her look like both a YAS QUEEN pop culture icon, a tough but fair prosecutor, and a savvy politician when it's safe to say none of those are remotely true.

                                        American media is awful.
                                        Yup, American media is awful, EVERYONE knows it, but it doesn't bother half the country. That is what is saddest.

                                        And the fact they like to paint themselves as heroes, keepers of truth, and of course persecuted, if funny AF....

                                        Originally posted by Bishop2b5 View Post
                                        Politics today with the media the way it is, is like playing a football game where all the officials are grads of the other school and have bet money on them to win. There's no longer even an attempt to appear unbiased or honest.
                                        Yup. She took them to school today and went through a laundry list of media hypocrisy and BS. Total beat down... silence...
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                                        • lol, so not only is the media ignoring the Cuomo news, even the fems aren't calling for his resignation. Just an apology... holy cow.

                                          <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This would be a good time for <a href="https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NYGovCuomo</a> to apologize and prove he&#39;s going to do better by addressing systemic sexual harassment and enacting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OneFairWage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#One FairWage</a> cc <a href="https://twitter.com/onefairwage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@onefairwage</a> <a href="https://t.co/dyj5s4Kqin">https://t.co/dyj5s4Kqin</a></p>&mdash; Shaunna Thomas (@SLThomas) <a href="https://twitter.com/SLThomas/status/1338549673502658567?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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                                          • I enjoy looking through Governing's website and finding some interesting articles on state and local governing, ideas, initiatives, challenges. (Site linked)

                                            Here's one:

                                            Boulder County Adopts $433M Budget, Includes COVID Bonuses
                                            The county approved the budget, which includes a one-time bonus of $1,000 per county employee to help offset the impacts of COVID-19. The county also focused funds on climate change measures.

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                                            • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                              lol, so not only is the media ignoring the Cuomo news, even the fems aren't calling for his resignation. Just an apology... holy cow.

                                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This would be a good time for <a href="https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NYGovCuomo</a> to apologize and prove he's going to do better by addressing systemic sexual harassment and enacting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OneFairWage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#One FairWage</a> cc <a href="https://twitter.com/onefairwage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@onefairwage</a> <a href="https://t.co/dyj5s4Kqin">https://t.co/dyj5s4Kqin</a></p>&mdash; Shaunna Thomas (@SLThomas) <a href="https://twitter.com/SLThomas/status/1338549673502658567?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                              Andrew Cuomo is an absolute dink. If these are true, he should resign asap. Cynthia Nixon wouldn't have pulled this shit.

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                                              • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                Andrew Cuomo is an absolute dink. If these are true, he should resign asap. Cynthia Nixon wouldn't have pulled this shit.
                                                IDK. Nixon is an absolute homer for the party. Doubt she'd call for the ouster of the Lib's NY hero.

                                                Both Cuomos are dick knobs of the highest degrees. Not sure who is worse. Fredo probably is the most irritating, but Guido is pretty close.
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                                                • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                  Love Dungy. And he won't get attacked and canceled near as much by the lefty crowd.

                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am a pro-choice pastor.</p>&mdash; Reverend Raphael Warnock (@ReverendWarnock) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReverendWarnock/status/1336490801413632002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rev Warner may be a pastor. My question would be “Is he a Christian?” That is, does he follow the teachings of Jesus and does he believe that the Bible is the absolute word of God? <a href="https://t.co/cabHEGB2XX">https://t.co/cabHEGB2XX</a></p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1336816523084754944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I would think it would be difficult for someone who believes that God sees us when we are in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16) to think that it is OK to choose not to bring that life to fruition.</p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1336824850430767106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please read Psalm 139:13-16. Then tell me if you think God puts babies in the womb or man does? If you believe they randomly get there then I have no argument. But if you believe God puts them there, then how does anyone have a right to “choose” which ones survive?</p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1337025477119258625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What if I was advocating for the right to kill someone who was already born? Would that be morally OK? Of course not. The only question in this debate is what we think of the unborn baby? Is it a life or is it not?</p>&mdash; Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/1337024220761628679?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                  Love Dungy. He's the man.

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                                                  • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                    IDK. Nixon is an absolute homer for the party. Doubt she'd call for the ouster of the Lib's NY hero.

                                                    Both Cuomos are dick knobs of the highest degrees. Not sure who is worse. Fredo probably is the most irritating, but Guido is pretty close.
                                                    She's certainly anti Trump and pretty progressive, was a pretty nasty primary IIRC.

                                                    Chris is grating sometimes but man his brother is actively bad.

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                                                    • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                      I dont think the media fully understands how much of a beating their reputation has taken over the last decade or so.

                                                      There is a consistent theme of not challenging Democrat positions or politicians, attacking republican ones, etc.

                                                      Remember when it was taboo to look into Hunter Biden? Now we find out the Feds have been investigating him for years? Remember the fact checks saying that there would not be a vaccine this year?

                                                      I mean, we all know journalism as a field isn't going to attract smart people, but its wild to see how bad most of these people are at their job.

                                                      After 8 years of practically blowing Barack Obama, they decided to go after Trump and Pence for 4 years without shame. Remember when they claimed that Trump was going to end the internet as we know it and Pence was gonna electrocute all the gays?

                                                      Prepare for 2-3 years of softball questions for Joe and 4 years of fawning coverage of Kamala Harris. They will want to paint Joe's administration in a positive light if only so it can have a pleasant feeling when Kamala takes over or runs in 2024.

                                                      There will be all sorts of profiles of her that attempt to make her look like both a YAS QUEEN pop culture icon, a tough but fair prosecutor, and a savvy politician when it's safe to say none of those are remotely true.

                                                      American media is awful.
                                                      Let's pump the breaks here and not pretend that Trump has absolutely tried to alter the internet as we know it. He tried, he just hasn't succeeded. I'm not even talking about the slippery slope of net neutrality, this past week he threatened to veto a bill to pay our military unless it was amended to include demolition of Section 230 which would fundamentally change the internet and destroy free speech.

                                                      Finally, Kayleigh McEnany is a lot of things but she isn't some hero crusading for truth and justice. Above everything she is a propagandist and unapologetic liar. She knowingly spreads disinformation and falsehoods on a daily basis. There are too many examples to name them all, but my favorites are the needless, meaningless lies... like claiming emphatically that Trump doesn't use the term "kung flu" for COVID when he is on tape doing so and lying that Paw Patrol had been cancelled because it had a cartoon cop dog on it. Why the Press Secretary of the United States feels the need to go up there and lie about COVID nicknames and Nickelodeon shows is beyond me. The much more damaging lies are the ones she has told about COVID, healthcare, and the election but those are less fun to unpack.

                                                      You can't complain about "the media" being biased against Trump without acknowledging that his media liaison traffics in misinformation, or without acknowledging that for every MSNBC there is a Newsmax or OANN. For every Mother Jones there is Breitbart. There are very few reputable publications left like the National Review, Reuters, etc.

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                                                      • I remember when John Edwards was hiding from the National Enquirer back in the day. Big Media tried to squash it as tabloid trash hit piece. Maybe if Facebook was the primary news source back then they could have throttled that story out of existence.

                                                        It has been a long time since major media has done any real investigative journalism. Not quite as long as it has been since politicians didn't lie. Lying about Paw Patrol and lying about keeping your doctor are slightly different though. JFC, Chase is more important to your generation than blowing up the Middle East on the reg.

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                                                        • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                          Let's pump the breaks here and not pretend that Trump has absolutely tried to alter the internet as we know it. He tried, he just hasn't succeeded. I'm not even talking about the slippery slope of net neutrality, this past week he threatened to veto a bill to pay our military unless it was amended to include demolition of Section 230 which would fundamentally change the internet and destroy free speech.

                                                          Finally, Kayleigh McEnany is a lot of things but she isn't some hero crusading for truth and justice. Above everything she is a propagandist and unapologetic liar. She knowingly spreads disinformation and falsehoods on a daily basis. There are too many examples to name them all, but my favorites are the needless, meaningless lies... like claiming emphatically that Trump doesn't use the term "kung flu" for COVID when he is on tape doing so and lying that Paw Patrol had been cancelled because it had a cartoon cop dog on it. Why the Press Secretary of the United States feels the need to go up there and lie about COVID nicknames and Nickelodeon shows is beyond me. The much more damaging lies are the ones she has told about COVID, healthcare, and the election but those are less fun to unpack.

                                                          You can't complain about "the media" being biased against Trump without acknowledging that his media liaison traffics in misinformation, or without acknowledging that for every MSNBC there is a Newsmax or OANN. For every Mother Jones there is Breitbart. There are very few reputable publications left like the National Review, Reuters, etc.
                                                          Lololol is this serious?

                                                          We were told ending net neutrality would basically end the world...and it did nothing. Internet is faster than ever today. And comparing MSNBC to OAN or Newsmax? Really? We gonna do that?
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                                                          • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                            Lololol is this serious?

                                                            We were told ending net neutrality would basically end the world...and it did nothing. Internet is faster than ever today. And comparing MSNBC to OAN or Newsmax? Really? We gonna do that?
                                                            The Net Neutrality fear-mongering was worse than the Trump vaccine lies provided by the media.
                                                            Running the damn ball since 2017.

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                                                            • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                              Lololol is this serious?

                                                              We were told ending net neutrality would basically end the world...and it did nothing. Internet is faster than ever today. And comparing MSNBC to OAN or Newsmax? Really? We gonna do that?
                                                              They were stopped from doing more because Trump didn’t have the political capital to do more (see: hamfisted attempt to get rid of Section 230 that he can’t get enough Republicans to support). By the way, as much as Trump wants you to believe that Section 230 protects “big tech” what it actually does is allow for user free speech on everything from Facebook to IrishEnvy without the “publisher” having to worry about getting sued for what users post. Without it, the internet would cease to exist as we know it as sites would have to heavily police all user generated content less they be found liable for it.
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                                                              • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                They were stopped from doing more because Trump didn’t have the politics capita to do more (see: hamfisted attempt to get rid of Section 230 that he can’t get enough Republicans to support). By the way, as much as Trump wants you to believe that Section 230 protects “big tech” what it actually does is allow for user free speech on everything from Facebook to IrishEnvy without the “publisher” having to worry about getting sued for what users post. Without it, the internet would cease to exist as we know it as sites would have to heavily police all user generated content less they be found liable for it.
                                                                No one cares about Trump/Section 230. Like, at all. This was a weak attempt to change the subject. You even admit nothing is going to happen there.
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                                                                • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                  Lololol is this serious?

                                                                  We were told ending net neutrality would basically end the world...and it did nothing. Internet is faster than ever today. And comparing MSNBC to OAN or Newsmax? Really? We gonna do that?
                                                                  Honestly, Lax was being generous comparing MSNBC to OANN. Take a look at both front pages https://www.msnbc.com/ and https://www.oann.com/ - tell me that these are somehow equal.

                                                                  OANN is running a front page story about how Pelosi is the devil for enacting a mask mandate for the house. They are citing Majoree Taylor Greene QAnon truther as a republican that is against the mandate! Literal anti-science and giving a voice to a fucking nutjob. There's another piece on "The election is far from over!". This is cancerous garbage.

                                                                  MSNBC is partisan and opinion piece central but they are not anti-science and running QAnon truthers out there.

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                                                                  • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                    Honestly, Lax was being generous comparing MSNBC to OANN. Take a look at both front pages https://www.msnbc.com/ and https://www.oann.com/ - tell me that these are somehow equal.

                                                                    OANN is running a front page story about how Pelosi is the devil for enacting a mask mandate for the house. They are citing Majoree Taylor Greene QAnon truther as a republican that is against the mandate! Literal anti-science and giving a voice to a fucking nutjob. There's another piece on "The election is far from over!". This is cancerous garbage.

                                                                    MSNBC is partisan and opinion piece central but they are not anti-science and running QAnon truthers out there.
                                                                    My take,,, OANN put out garbage and partisan, MSNBC suppresses truth and partisan.

                                                                    Neither are journalism, and both are cancerous.
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                                                                    • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                      My take,,, OANN put out garbage and partisan, MSNBC suppresses truth and partisan.

                                                                      Neither are journalism, and both are cancerous.
                                                                      Yeah I guess, honestly I naively had no idea how partisan MSNBC was till I looked at their site. Holy hell lmao

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                                                                      • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                        No one cares about Trump/Section 230. Like, at all. This was a weak attempt to change the subject. You even admit nothing is going to happen there.
                                                                        It's not changing the subject, it's literally in the post of mine that you quoted. Trump has been rage tweeting about Section 230 for weeks and just threatened to veto an incredibly important, bipartisan bill about funding the military if it didn't include eliminating Section 230.

                                                                        Trump being really bad at politics doesn't mean that he didn't absolutely try multiple times over the past four years to alter how the internet functions.

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                                                                        • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                          Yeah I guess, honestly I naively had no idea how partisan MSNBC was till I looked at their site. Holy hell lmao
                                                                          It's really sad that there is almost zero non partisan sources right now. Reuters, which I loved for many many years, has even taken a turn left.

                                                                          It's all propaganda at best now.
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                                                                          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                            Honestly, Lax was being generous comparing MSNBC to OANN. Take a look at both front pages https://www.msnbc.com/ and https://www.oann.com/ - tell me that these are somehow equal.

                                                                            OANN is running a front page story about how Pelosi is the devil for enacting a mask mandate for the house. They are citing Majoree Taylor Greene QAnon truther as a republican that is against the mandate! Literal anti-science and giving a voice to a fucking nutjob. There's another piece on "The election is far from over!". This is cancerous garbage.

                                                                            MSNBC is partisan and opinion piece central but they are not anti-science and running QAnon truthers out there.
                                                                            Yeah, I was. MSNBC is very partisan and very biased but still operates under the guise of opinionated journalism. OANN and Newsmax are flat out propaganda/entertainment networks who know exactly who their audience is.

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                                                                            • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                              It's not changing the subject, it's literally in the post of mine that you quoted. Trump has been rage tweeting about Section 230 for weeks and just threatened to veto an incredibly important, bipartisan bill about funding the military if it didn't include eliminating Section 230.

                                                                              Trump being really bad at politics doesn't mean that he didn't absolutely try multiple times over the past four years to alter how the internet functions.
                                                                              Well, in general, the internet functions pretty badly already all by itself.

                                                                              Fvck big tech.
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                                                                              • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                Yeah, I was. MSNBC is very partisan and very biased but still operates under the guise of opinionated journalism. OANN and Newsmax are flat out propaganda/entertainment networks who know exactly who their audience is.
                                                                                MSNBC is not the bolded too?
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                                                                                • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                  They were stopped from doing more because Trump didn’t have the politics capita to do more (see: hamfisted attempt to get rid of Section 230 that he can’t get enough Republicans to support). By the way, as much as Trump wants you to believe that Section 230 protects “big tech” what it actually does is allow for user free speech on everything from Facebook to IrishEnvy without the “publisher” having to worry about getting sued for what users post. Without it, the internet would cease to exist as we know it as sites would have to heavily police all user generated content less they be found liable for it.
                                                                                  You really don't see it? Twitter, Facebook, etc are all innocents who just provide a platform? LOL man. I have seen for years how comments get suppressed and feeds are manipulated. Holy sheep, Batman. If its not in my Twitter/Facebook feed or my non-Faux News channel it didn't happen! Just, wow.

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                                                                                  • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                    It's not changing the subject, it's literally in the post of mine that you quoted. Trump has been rage tweeting about Section 230 for weeks and just threatened to veto an incredibly important, bipartisan bill about funding the military if it didn't include eliminating Section 230.

                                                                                    Trump being really bad at politics doesn't mean that he didn't absolutely try multiple times over the past four years to alter how the internet functions.
                                                                                    No one cares about the 230 stuff because it isn't going anywhere. If they ever did do something about it, well hopefully they would put a structure in place that protected forums like IE and what not. But when Trump and his people got rid of net neutrality, the journos told us it was the end of internet as we know it, that the poors were gonna all but die, and none of that came close to happening.

                                                                                    The media either lied to try and incite a reaction or was too partisan to see that their fear porn was an outlandish idea of what the result would be. So its pretty hard to trust them on what the result would be if 230 went away too. They simply aren't reliable or trustworthy in that field.
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                                                                                    • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                                      Honestly, Lax was being generous comparing MSNBC to OANN. Take a look at both front pages https://www.msnbc.com/ and https://www.oann.com/ - tell me that these are somehow equal.

                                                                                      OANN is running a front page story about how Pelosi is the devil for enacting a mask mandate for the house. They are citing Majoree Taylor Greene QAnon truther as a republican that is against the mandate! Literal anti-science and giving a voice to a fucking nutjob. There's another piece on "The election is far from over!". This is cancerous garbage.

                                                                                      MSNBC is partisan and opinion piece central but they are not anti-science and running QAnon truthers out there.
                                                                                      Face masks or not, that is spot on.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post
                                                                                        You really don't see it? Twitter, Facebook, etc are all innocents who just provide a platform? LOL man. I have seen for years how comments get suppressed and feeds are manipulated. Holy sheep, Batman. If its not in my Twitter/Facebook feed or my non-Faux News channel it didn't happen! Just, wow.
                                                                                        Reading comprehension is a struggle, huh? "The internet" doesn't only mean "Facebook and Twitter boggiemen." The funniest part is that getting rid of Section 230 would actually lead to more censorship on Facebook/Twitter... Trump and his ilk are just too stupid to realize that.

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                          Reading comprehension is a struggle, huh? "The internet" doesn't only mean "Facebook and Twitter boggiemen." The funniest part is that getting rid of Section 230 would actually lead to more censorship on Facebook/Twitter... Trump and his ilk are just too stupid to realize that.
                                                                                          If you don't think Twitter, FB, Google, and some others aren't a real problem, not sure what to tell you. And in a lot more ways than just censorship. I'm not saying we should end 230, but it would open them up to legal ramification, which would likely wither reign them in, or at minimum, drastically weaken them. Regardless, something absolutely needs to be done.
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                                                                                          • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                            Reading comprehension is a struggle, huh? "The internet" doesn't only mean "Facebook and Twitter boggiemen." The funniest part is that getting rid of Section 230 would actually lead to more censorship on Facebook/Twitter... Trump and his ilk are just too stupid to realize that.
                                                                                            You are basically telling people that literally ARE censored, "wow if you get your way, we will all be censored, is that what you want?"

                                                                                            Well yes and no. No, censorship is bad. (Insert every standard argument against censorship).

                                                                                            But also yes, the way rules are applied now, one side is censored. If they apply to one side, then they should apply to every side. If Notre Dame has been called for 15 penalties and the other team has been called for 0, I will settle for 1 of 2 outcomes, either they need to quit calling penalties period or they need to give ND some makeup calls.

                                                                                            The answer would literally never be "well if they call penalties on the other team too that'd lead to more penalties total and because my ideal football game has fewer penalties I should just sit here and be happy that the officials are only calling them on one team, even if it is my team."
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                                                                                            • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                                              If you don't think Twitter, FB, Google, and some others aren't a real problem, not sure what to tell you. And in a lot more ways than just censorship. I'm not saying we should end 230, but it would open them up to legal ramification, which would likely wither reign them in, or at minimum, drastically weaken them. Regardless, something absolutely needs to be done.
                                                                                              I've actually said on here repeatedly that they are, but sure.

                                                                                              My point is that you have to be a total mouth breathing idiot to think that "REPEAL SECTION 230!!!" is going to lead to less censorship or solve literally any of the current problems. It's topic du jour for the absolute dumbest subsection of society, and it was birthed out of Alex Jones and Laura Loomer types being mad about being banned from social media.

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                                I've actually said on here repeatedly that they are, but sure.

                                                                                                My point is that you have to be a total mouth breathing idiot to think that "REPEAL SECTION 230!!!" is going to lead to less censorship or solve literally any of the current problems. It's topic du jour for the absolute dumbest subsection of society, and it was birthed out of Alex Jones and Laura Loomer types being mad about being banned from social media.
                                                                                                If FB/Twitter get censored how will I send my death threats?!?!

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                                                  I've actually said on here repeatedly that they are, but sure.

                                                                                                  My point is that you have to be a total mouth breathing idiot to think that "REPEAL SECTION 230!!!" is going to lead to less censorship or solve literally any of the current problems. It's topic du jour for the absolute dumbest subsection of society, and it was birthed out of Alex Jones and Laura Loomer types being mad about being banned from social media.
                                                                                                  That's just it (Dakota makes a solid point). Right now, one side is getting censored. I want both sides to be treated the same and fairly. I don't want censorship period, but right now, it's pretty partisan. I'll take more censorship on those platform if it means both sides are getting the hammer with the same frequency.

                                                                                                  At the end of the day, the cultures at those places are beyond any rational hope of coming to the middle and being fair. What are the other choices? I'm open to realistic alternatives, I just don't see one. Status quo is simply not acceptable.
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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                                                    You are basically telling people that literally ARE censored, "wow if you get your way, we will all be censored, is that what you want?"

                                                                                                    Well yes and no. No, censorship is bad. (Insert every standard argument against censorship).

                                                                                                    But also yes, the way rules are applied now, one side is censored. If they apply to one side, then they should apply to every side. If Notre Dame has been called for 15 penalties and the other team has been called for 0, I will settle for 1 of 2 outcomes, either they need to quit calling penalties period or they need to give ND some makeup calls.

                                                                                                    The answer would literally never be "well if they call penalties on the other team too that'd lead to more penalties total and because my ideal football game has fewer penalties I should just sit here and be happy that the officials are only calling them on one team, even if it is my team."
                                                                                                    There are a lot of problems with Big Tech, and exactly none of them are solved by repealing Section 230. You repeal Section 230, and "conservatives" will be censored/banned at a much higher rate than they are currently. Donald Trump would not be able to post the kind of things he does on Twitter without Section 230, period.

                                                                                                    The best ways to address Big Tech issues is with antitrust litigation and passing new laws that strengthen 1st Amendment style protections. But instead of talking sensibly about that, many of the absolute worst people alive have decided that the answer is somehow to allow websites to get sued over user generated content or banning people. It goes without saying that this is beyond stupid and will ruin everything from Reddit to IrishEnvy to Discord. It is a total nonstarter.

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by Irish YJ View Post
                                                                                                      That's just it (Dakota makes a solid point). Right now, one side is getting censored. I want both sides to be treated the same and fairly. I don't want censorship period, but right now, it's pretty partisan. I'll take more censorship on those platform if it means both sides are getting the hammer with the same frequency.

                                                                                                      At the end of the day, the cultures at those places are beyond any rational hope of coming to the middle and being fair. What are the other choices? I'm open to realistic alternatives, I just don't see one. Status quo is simply not acceptable.
                                                                                                      I think you're underestimating what will happen if Section 230 is repealed. There are hundreds of "activists" that Twitter would be forced to ban overnight. For example, literally anyone participating in #StopTheSteal which has led to death threats against poll workers, technicians, and election officials would have to be banned by Twitter less Twitter get sued over the consequences of permitting their speech on their platform. All companies will look to cover their asses and err on the side of caution which means bans and ubiquitous censorship of any topic their lawyers feel gives them exposure. Is there comparable content on the left right now? The closest thing would be ANTIFA + property destruction.

                                                                                                      People like Ben Shapiro, who don't push libelous or dangerous talking points, will be fine regardless of what happens with Section 230. Marjorie Taylor Greene will not. There are a lot more of her than there are of Ben. You will see widespread deplatforming of right wing social media accounts without Section 230... and worse, there will be no option to form an alternative (e.g. Parler) because the alternative would get sued and shut down as soon as they moved there.

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