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    https://news.nd.edu/news/political-s...-us-democracy/
    Five University of Notre Dame professors who specialize in different areas of democracy studies recently signed a strong statement of concern issued by the think tank New America warning of the serious threats to democracy in the U.S. Notre Dame is a longtime leader in research on democratization in comparative perspective through a number of campus institutes, and the American politics subfield that is part of the Department of Political Science emphasizes research on inclusion.
    Michael Coppedge
    As demonstrated by the Varieties of Democracy (V-Dem) project, there has been a “significant erosion of liberal democracy in the U.S. since 2016,” Michael Coppedge, professor of political science and one of the V-Dem principal investigators, said. V-Dem has measured hundreds of attributes of democracy and governance for most countries going back to 1789. The 2021 V-Dem report on democracy, “Autocratization Goes Viral,” underscores the dramatic spikes in countries becoming more autocratic. In fact, V-Dem reports that, as of 2020, only 4 percent of the world’s population is living in democratizing nations. It also reports that no country in North America or Western and Eastern Europe has advanced in democracy in the last decade, while democracy in the U.S. (along with Hungary, Poland, Serbia and Slovenia) has declined substantially.

    “A decline is already underway. If recent and pending state-level legislation erects more and more barriers to voting and makes the translation of votes into seats and electors even more distorted than it already is, I am sure this trend will worsen,” added Coppedge, who is also a faculty fellow at the Kellogg Institute for International Studies.

    The U.S. has dropped in three out of six indices studied by V-Dem that measure everything from the quality of elections and individual rights to rule of law and whether political decisions are made in the interest of the common good. The 2021 report shows the U.S. declined substantially on the Liberal Democracy Index from 0.86 in 2010 to 0.73 in 2020. This is in part, the researchers write, a consequence of former President Donald Trump’s repeated attacks on the media and opposition politicians, and the substantial weakening of the legislature’s de facto checks and balances on executive power. The V-Dem team also reported significant negative changes in the U.S.’s deliberation score, the component that captures the extent to which public speech, including counterarguments, and respect for political opponents is respected by political leaders. It moved from 0.91 in 2016 to 0.61 in 2020.
    Christina Wolbrecht
    Although the V-Dem team saw an overall decline in pro-democracy mobilization worldwide, the U.S. had its highest number of protests in recent history. The June 6, 2020, protests with more than half a million people spurred by the murder of George Floyd and the months of protests that followed are seen as a condemnation of systemic oppression of people of color. Race was key in the fight for voting rights in 2020 in states like Georgia, where Black voters not only handed President Joe Biden a win, but also ensured victories for the state’s first Black senator and first Jewish senator over their Republican opponents. More recently, the Republican-led state legislature has been successful in changing voting laws in Georgia — a move that has been criticized as an attempt to limit voting for people of color.

    “Marginalized and intersectional communities have been crucial leaders in the contemporary struggle to defend and secure voting rights. Black women in particular have turned their commitment to community into sophisticated voter mobilization organizations,” said Christina Wolbrecht, professor of political science and director of the Rooney Center for the Study of American Democracy. “It’s important to emphasize, however, that resisting and overcoming discriminatory voting rules requires time, energy and attention that these communities do not have in abundance and that distract from other work that advances human flourishing.”

    Luis Fraga, the Joseph and Elizabeth Robbie Professor of Political Science, whose areas of expertise include Latino politics, politics of race and ethnicity, voting rights policy and immigration policy, emphasized that the contemporary fight for minority rights is nothing new.
    Luis Fraga
    “We are a nation founded on the basis of slavery and its related racism,” he said. “We have culture wars and our racist historical past and its lingering contemporary effects and immigration — particularly from Latin America — is identified as a threat to American identity and elements of American ideals. Add to that people coming from Muslim countries, and this intensifies the culture wars. We’ve seen the decline of the material status of some blue-collar workers in some parts of the country. All these things together have led to — and research backs this up — the importance of white identity. Working against this threatens the status of the Republican Party and spurs the gerrymandering/voting tricks. Their goal is to dehumanize the people who are the sources of that threat.”

    Echoing the V-Dem team’s deliberation score for the U.S., Fraga said this rhetoric, combined with political leadership doubling down on misinformation with the intent of spreading it as widely as possible via likeminded news outlets, has caused extreme political polarization in the U.S. He added, “It’s not that the people who are influenced by that are in any way unsophisticated — it’s things changing in the U.S. in a way that they are not comfortable with.”

    Fraga, who also serves as the Rev. Donald P. McNeill, C.S.C., Professor of Transformative Latino Leadership and the director of the Institute for Latino Studies, sees hope in proposed legislation. The goal of the John Lewis Voting Rights Act is to restore and strengthen parts of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the For the People Act aims to expand voting rights, change campaign finance laws to reduce the influence of money in politics, limit partisan gerrymandering and create new ethics rules for federal officeholders. Surprisingly, Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin has announced that he will not support the For the People Act, as he believes any reforms in voting and election practices should be bipartisan. In a recent op-ed, he wrote, “Partisan policymaking won’t instill confidence in our democracy — it will destroy it.”

    Fraga sees it differently, noting that many lawmakers see clearly that “this is not America at its best,” and that the proposed acts would be a way to prevent democratic backsliding.

    “The New America statement is supported by my research, teaching and values and is in the best traditions of Notre Dame,” he continued. “We were established to provide education to predominantly immigrant, working-class and marginalized Americans. This attack on voting rights one can understand as a threat to what Notre Dame stands for and what has brought it its greatness.”
    Aníbal Pérez-Liñán
    Professor of Political Science and Global Affairs Aníbal Pérez-Liñán studies processes of democratization, political instability and the rule of law in new democracies, particularly in Latin America. He sees parallels in some Latin American countries to attempts by U.S. state Republican legislatures to restrict voting rules, thus securing long-term partisan control of their states.

    “This strategy only works if federal legislation fails to enforce voting rights nationally,” said Perez-Liñán, who holds a joint appointment at the Keough School of Global Affairs. “Students of Latin American politics call this phenomenon ‘boundary control.’ In Latin America, authoritarian governors are known to preserve power in their enclaves by fending off the influence of national governments.”

    The idea of eliminating the filibuster — a Congressional tactic, meant to delay a vote on or kill a bill, that requires 60 percent of senators to overturn — has been bandied about since the Biden administration began and Democrats gained control of both the White House and the Senate. Perez-Liñán, who recently wrote an article for the Dignity & Development blog on the damage legislative supermajorities can do to democracy through altering the independence of courts, notes that the filibuster is an important maneuver that protects legislative minorities.

    “Paradoxically, however, some Republican senators are using this institution to disempower minorities in their own states,” said Perez-Liñán, who is also a faculty fellow at the Kellogg Institute. “By blocking the adoption of federal legislation to defend voting rights, they sadly exercise boundary control to protect the adoption of restrictive voting laws.”
    Scott Mainwaring
    Eugene and Helen Conley Professor of Political Science Scott Mainwaring agrees and stresses that the overt attempts to suppress minority votes, the partisan manipulation of electoral administration and the refusal to accept Trump’s defeat are all harbingers of the demise of democracy.

    “These practices represent a movement toward competitive authoritarian regimes, and they are a deep threat to democracy,” said Mainwaring, who is also a faculty fellow at the Kellogg Institute. “As a student and scholar of democracy for more than 40 years, I am disheartened to see these practices.”
    "From Chaos comes Clarity"

  • #2
    "If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” - David Frum

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    • #3
      “These practices represent a movement toward competitive authoritarian regimes, and they are a deep threat to democracy,”

      That is honestly such a great quote. "Competitive authoritarian regimes" really hits you in the face with what the end point is of this continual downward spiral.

      That said, I don't see anything really happening to stop it. We tend to only fix things once they are welly and truly broken, and as much as I thought January 6th was that, it doesn't appear that it was enough. Both sides are still digging in and pulling the same BS. Here's to hoping both sides blink and get us out of this game of chicken.

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      • #4
        Lol this is a partisan joke. The lost all credibility when saying Trump was anti-democracy by challenging the media.

        Absolutely upside down and embarrassing for these professors to those with an unbias eye.

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        • #5
          January 6th will be America's Beer Hall Putsch.

          I have my passport renewed and got one for all three of my kids. Doesn't seem like anyone cares about what's happening and it's beyond concerning for me at this point.

          It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
            January 6th will be America's Beer Hall Putsch.

            I have my passport renewed and got one for all three of my kids. Doesn't seem like anyone cares about what's happening and it's beyond concerning for me at this point.
            Lololololololololololololololololol

            (Deep breath)

            Lololololololololololololololololol.

            Based Mullet Kid owns

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            • #7
              Good thing academics are not partisan hacks.I

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              • #8
                Shocking....the Go-Along-to-Get-Along crew is saying what?

                they dont know a damn thing about Momma's Cookin'.
                YYZ by RUSH (cover) - (only the last half)
                Billie Stephens' Fiery Disaster -- Dancin' with Myself (partial cover)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TDHeysus View Post
                  Shocking....the Go-Along-to-Get-Along crew is saying what?

                  they dont know a damn thing about Momma's Cookin'.
                  You could very well be right about each person on this panel. You could also be wrong. Or maybe somewhere in the middle. But whatever happened to judging people based on their character? Highly educated or uneducated, the dismissiveness is really dull at this point.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ND88 View Post

                    You could very well be right about each person on this panel. You could also be wrong. Or maybe somewhere in the middle. But whatever happened to judging people based on their character? Highly educated or uneducated, the dismissiveness is really dull at this point.
                    CRT
                    YYZ by RUSH (cover) - (only the last half)
                    Billie Stephens' Fiery Disaster -- Dancin' with Myself (partial cover)

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                    • #11
                      Problem #1:

                      The ideologs that run the far left and right are both cheating, lying, criminals whose goal is the promotion of political ideologies in direct conflict with America's best interest. Moderates need to put down their pom poms and quit cheering on the Communists, Fascist & Socialists posing as Democrats and Republicans.

                      97.5% of Americans have basically zero knowledge of how a sovereign state, it's governmental institutions, the political parties and the political ideologies interact with & influence one another. And 90% of those that do, know just enough to be dangerous.



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                        Lololololololololololololololololol

                        (Deep breath)

                        Lololololololololololololololololol.
                        Exhibit A.

                        It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                          January 6th will be America's Beer Hall Putsch.

                          I have my passport renewed and got one for all three of my kids. Doesn't seem like anyone cares about what's happening and it's beyond concerning for me at this point.
                          "January 6th will be America's Beer Hall Putsch"


                          Is the subsequent US version of the Night of the Long Knives what would make you flee the country?

                          Where would you immigrate to?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post

                            "January 6th will be America's Beer Hall Putsch"


                            Is the subsequent US version of the Night of the Long Knives what would make you flee the country?

                            Where would you immigrate to?
                            Therein lies the issue. This shit is pretty much everywhere now.

                            Doesn't hurt to have a passport.
                            It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                            • #15
                              Chomsky discussed many of these same ideas back in the early to mid 2000’s in his books Hegemony or Survival and Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy.

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                              • #16
                                I'd have to go New Zealand and Austrailia at the top of the list. Lower levels of cunty behavior there.

                                It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post

                                  Exhibit A.
                                  Exhibit A of a proper response to delusional people, laughter rather than indulging.
                                  Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                  • #18
                                    The Jan 6 isnurrection was an dry run. We will see it again if Dems manage to maintain power. A more competent GOP adminsitration will absolutely succeed next time around. Recent GOP legislation in all swing states will give them power to ensure voting is hard and complex and if that doesnt work gives them the power to not certify an election as they see fit. This is 100% absoultely undemocratic. Seems like the rubes totaly dont give a shit though.
                                    "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                      I'd have to go New Zealand and Austrailia at the top of the list. Lower levels of cunty behavior there.
                                      Good luck. They aren’t quite as accommodating to immigrants as we are.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                        The Jan 6 isnurrection was an dry run. We will see it again if Dems manage to maintain power. A more competent GOP adminsitration will absolutely succeed next time around. Recent GOP legislation in all swing states will give them power to ensure voting is hard and complex and if that doesnt work gives them the power to not certify an election as they see fit. This is 100% absoultely undemocratic. Seems like the rubes totaly dont give a shit though.
                                        What form will it take next time in the wet run?

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                          I'd have to go New Zealand and Austrailia at the top of the list. Lower levels of cunty behavior there.
                                          No gun problems. They actually respect intelligence and science. Beautiful places. Thats where Id go fo sure. AFter the Christ Church earthquake, I almost left to go to New Zealand to help rebuild the city as a free lance engineer. COuldnt pull th etrigger becasue of the fam.

                                          America is just so full or morons of all ages and types I cant see how it continues to be a leader in anything. Morons who cant accept evolution, believe the earth is flat, QAnon, antivaxxers... did you see those women at that meeting in Ohio talking about vaccine being a 5G terrorist plot or some shit? lol. Morons. Fucking Morons. And they vote. I absolutely see the last 4 years as having our democratic norms stressed and eroded to the point of failure if not for a few people. Remove those people and the system compeltely breaks down.
                                          Last edited by Cackalacky2.0; 06-10-2021, 02:29 PM.
                                          "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post

                                            What form will it take next time in the wet run?
                                            Form doesnt need to change much becasue the failures wont be addressed. GOP made sure of that by denying the Commission. Capital police will not have adequate resources. Capital security infrastructure wont be any more improved. FBI is still busy identifying and rounding up traitors. DCNG wont be able to self deploy. More people more weapons, It will be a multipronged event for sure ....more sophisticated, will have more help from GOP insiders who would rather take over the government rather than protect democracy. The Big Lie is everything right now and there are way too many morons promoting it as if its reality and more morons are regurgitating it. Ive seend this before and its so very similar to the Lost Cause.

                                            My grandmother (a memeber of the United Daughters of the Confederacy used to make me read her confederate catechism book). so I know what and how this type of propoganda works, is reinforced and how it survives. This is all the Big Lie is. A revisioninst histroy reshaped and retold to lessen its horribleness. Hell Ive even seen it on this site from multiple posters ( the true believers). People have posted thenarrative that is being reiterated every day to the point a poster said that it was only a handful of bad actors. Well those handful are up to about 600 people the FBI have arrested and charged for various crimes. It makes me sad that anyone can look at what happened on Jan 6 and believe that it was nothing or it was peaceful event. It sickens me to my core.
                                            https://hqudc.org/cofc-catechisms/

                                            Transcription Source: Amy L. Heyse, Teachers of the Lost Cause: The United Daughters of the Confederacy and the Rhetoric of Their Catechisms. PhD Diss., University of Maryland, 2006, 262–269.



                                            FULL TEXT

                                            U. D. C. CATECHISM FOR CHILDREN.

                                            [1] What causes led to the war between the States, from 1861 to 1865?

                                            The disregard, on the part of States of the North, for the rights of the Southern or slave-holding States.

                                            [2] How was this shown?

                                            By the passage of laws in the Nothern States annulling the rights of the people of the South—rights that were given to them by the Constitution of the United States.

                                            [3] What were these rights?

                                            The rights to regulate their own affairs and to hold slaves as property.

                                            [4] Were the Southern States alone responsible for the existence of slavery?

                                            No; slavery was introduced into the country in colonial times y the political authorities of Great Britain, Spain, France and the Dutch merchants, and in 1776—at the time of the Declaration of Independence—slavery existed in all of the thirteen colonies.

                                            [5] How many of the colonies held slaves when the federal constitution was adopted, in 1787?

                                            All except one.

                                            [6] Did slavery exist among other civilized nations?

                                            Yes, in most all; and our mother country, England did not emancipate her slaves until 1843, when Parliament paid $200,000,000 to the owners.

                                            [7] After the first introduction of slavery into the colonies, how was the African slave trade kept up?

                                            By enterprising shipowners of New England, who imported the slaves from Africa and secretly sold their cargoes along the coast, after the States of the North had abolished slavery.

                                            [8] Why did not slavery continue to exist in the States of New England?

                                            Because they found it unprofitable, and they sold their slaves to the States of the South.

                                            [9] What great leader in the Northern army owned slaves?

                                            Gen. U. S. Grant, who continued to live on their hire and service until the close of the war, and after the emancipation proclamation had been published, while he was leading armies to free the slaves of the South.

                                            [10] When the Northern States had sold their slaves to the South, what did they then do?

                                            They organized a party to oppose slavery, called the “Abolition Party,” which advocated all means to abolish slavery, with no intention of paying the people of the South for their property.

                                            [11] When did the South become alarmed?

                                            At the election of Abraham Lincoln by this party, which was pledged to take away the slaves and offer no terms of payment to the owners.

                                            [12] Did the people of the South believe that slavery was right?

                                            No, not as a principle; and the colonies of Virginia and Georgia had strongly opposed its first introduction, but after the Constitution of the United States had recognized the slaves as property, and the wealth of the South was largely invested in negroes, they did not feel it was just to submit to wholesale robbery.

                                            [13] How were the slaves treated?

                                            With great kindness and care in nearly all cases, a cruel master being rare, and lost the respect of his neighbors if he treated his slaves badly. Self interest would have prompted good treatment if a higher feeling of humanity had not.

                                            [14] What was the feeling of the slaves towards their masters?

                                            They were faithful and devoted and were always ready and willing to serve them.

                                            [15] How did they behave during the war?

                                            They nobly protected and cared for the wives of soldiers in the field, and widows without protectors; though often prompted by the enemies of the South to burn and plunder the homes of their masters, they were always true and loyal.

                                            [16] What were the principles of the Southern people?

                                            They believed that each State should regulate her own affairs, according to its best interests, with no meddling with the management of other States, and that each State should loyally support the Constitution of the United States.

                                            [17] Who was most prominent in defining “States Rights?”

                                            John C. Calhoun, of South Carolina.

                                            [18] What steps did the Southern people take after the election of Mr. Lincoln?

                                            They seceded from the Union, and at once took possession of the forts, arms and ammunition within their borders.

                                            [19] Did the forts surrender without resistance?

                                            In nearly all cases.

                                            [20] In what order did the States secede?

                                            South Carolina, December 20, 1860.

                                            Mississippi, January 9, 1861.

                                            Florida, January 10, 1861.

                                            Alabama, January 11, 1861.

                                            Georgia, January 19, 1861.

                                            Louisiana. January 26, 1861.

                                            Texas, February 1, 1861.

                                            Virginia, April 17, 1861.

                                            Arkansas, May 6, 1861.

                                            North Carolina, May 20, 1861.

                                            Tennessee, June 24, 1861.

                                            Missouri, October 31, 1861.

                                            Kentucky, November 20, 1861.

                                            [21] What other State attempted to secede?

                                            Maryland.

                                            [22] How was this prevented?

                                            The Maryland Legislature was closed by the United States marshal and the secession members were sent to prison on September 18, 1861.

                                            [23] What had happened before this in Baltimore?

                                            Federal troops in passing through that city to invade the South, were attacked on April 19, 1861, by the citizens of Baltimore and a fight ensued in the streets, and the first blood of the war was there shed.

                                            [24] Did Maryland take any part in the cause of the South?

                                            Yes, most valiant part, furnishing many regiments of men and other aid for carrying on the war, and those who gave this aid endured persecution and imprisonment by the Federal authorities, as well as from those at home who opposed secession. Maryland was only kept in the Union by force.

                                            [25] What honor did General Lee confer on Maryland officers?

                                            In the last retreat of the world-famed fighting army of northern Virginia he appointed Col. H. Kyd Douglas and Col. Clement Sullivane, two staff officers, one twenty-four years of age, the other twenty-six, to command the rear guard of the two divisions of the little army on its way to Appomattox.

                                            [26] What was the first step taken by the seceded States?

                                            They proceeded to organize a government, by uniting themselves under the name of the Confederate States of America, and adopted a Constitution for their guidance.

                                            [27] Whom did they elect as their President?

                                            Jefferson Davis, of Mississippi, senator from that State in the Congress of the United States, when Mississippi seceded, and already distinguished as a soldier and statesman, having gallantly served in the Mexican war, and as secretary of war under President Pierce, and member of both houses of Congress.

                                            [28] Did he resign his seat in the Senate as soon as his State seceded?

                                            No. His State seceded on January 9th, and he remained in the Senate until January 21st, pleading for some pledge from the North that would secure the interests of the people of the South.

                                            [29] Does it appear from this that he led his people to secession?

                                            No; like General Lee, he was led by the people of his State, obeying their call, and believing that his first duty was to his State.

                                            [30] Who was elected Vice President?

                                            Alexander H. Stephens, of Georgia, eminent in his country’s history.

                                            [31] Had the Confederate States any other President or Vice President?

                                            No; Mr. Davis was the first and only President, and there was no other Vice President than Mr. Stephens.

                                            [32] Where did the first Congress of the Confederacy meet?

                                            At Montgomery, Alabama, on February 4, 1861, and on the 9th of February Mr. Davis was unanimously elected President, and inaugurated on the 18th of February, in the Alabama State House, Montgomery was the first capital of the Confederacy.

                                            [33] Who did Mr. Davis select for his cabinet?

                                            Robert Toombs, of Georgia, secretary of state; Leroy P. Walker, of Alabama, secretary of war; Charles G. Memminger, of South Carolina, secretary of the treasury; Stephen H. Mallory, of Florida, secretary of the navy; Judah P. Benjamin, of Louisiana, attorney general, and John H. Reagan, of Texas, postmaster general. The last three named continued in the cabinet as long as the government lasted.

                                            [34] Where and when was the capital moved?

                                            To Richmond, Virginia, on May 6, 1861.

                                            [35] Did the Confederacy have a flag?

                                            Yes; Congress, on March 6, 1861, passed an act adopting the first flag of the Confederacy, called the “stars and bars.”

                                            [36] How many stars had this flag at this time?

                                            Seven, as only that number of States had then seceded, but other stars were added as the other States came into the Confederacy until there were thirteen. There were three bars, two red and one white.

                                            [37] Why was another flag adopted?

                                            Because the “stars and bars” were mistaken, at the battle of Manassa for the flag of the United States, and it was unsafe to use it in battle.

                                            [38] Who designed the battle flag?

                                            General Beauregard, after the battle of Manassaa, and his design was adopted by Congress as a battle flag and used throughout the war.

                                            [39] What was the battle flag?

                                            The cross of St. Andrew on a field of red, the cross blue, on which was thirteen stars.

                                            [40] What other flag was used?

                                            This battle flag on a large field of white was adopted by Congress as the flag of the confederacy, byt it was found that so large an expanse of white might be mistaken for a flag of truce, and Congress ordered a band of red across the end of the white field.

                                            [41] Was this last flag ever used?

                                            No; it was adopted just before the fall of the Confederacy, and was never used.

                                            [42] How are these flags used by the different Confederate organizations?

                                            The Confederate Veterans have for their emblem the battle flag, and the Sons of Veterans have adopted the last flag of the Confederacy, while the Daughters of the Confederacy use the “stars and bars,” the first flag adopted by the Confederate States.

                                            [43] When was the first shot fired in the war between the States?

                                            At Fort Sumter, in the harbor of Charleston, on April 12, 1861.

                                            [44] Where did the last fight occur?

                                            At Palmetto ranch, near Brownsville, Texas, on May 13, 1865, between a Confederate force of 300, under Gen. James E. Slaughter, and a Federal force of 500, commanded by Col. T. F. Burrett.

                                            [45] Where was the first battle fought?

                                            At Manassas, Virginia, on July 21, 1861, and it was a great victory for the Confederate army.

                                            [46] How many were enrolled in the Federal, or Northern army?

                                            Two million, seven hundred and seventy-eight thousand, three hundred and four (2,778,304).

                                            [47] What number was enrolled in the Confederate army?

                                            Six hundred thousand (600,000).

                                            [48] How many more men were in the Northern army?

                                            Many more than three times as many as the South had in the field.

                                            [49] How many years did the war last?

                                            Four years, and there is no record, in all the world’s history of an army that endured more privations with greater fortitude, or fought more bravely than the soldiers of the Confederacy.

                                            [50] Under what disadvantages did the Confederate army fight?

                                            Not only did the Confederates have greatly inferior numbers, but they were poorly armed, often scarce of ammunition, and scantily fed and clothed.

                                            [51] What was the spirit of the army?

                                            Always ready to follow their leaders and never willing to give up the fight. “Victory or death” was their motto.

                                            [52] Who was made commander in chief of all the Confederate forces?

                                            Robert E. Lee, the best beloved and honored of all the Confederate generals.

                                            [53] When did the war come to a close?

                                            When General Lee surrendered his army, at Appomattox, Va., on April 9, 1865.

                                            [54] How many men did he surrender?

                                            About 25,000.

                                            [55] To what Northern general did he surrender?

                                            Gen. U. S. Grant, who had 120,000 men in his army.

                                            [56] Was the Confederate army defeated?

                                            No; it was overpowered by numbers, and its resources exhausted.

                                            [57] What soon followed General Lee’s surrender?

                                            The surrender of all of the Confederate forces and the capture of President Davis and his cabinet in Georgia.

                                            [58] What were the conditions of surrender, as made by General Grant?

                                            These conditions were liberal and generally observed, except in the case of President Davis and some others. Mr. Davis was subjected to many humiliations, even to being put in irons.

                                            [59] Why do the people of the South honor him so greatly?

                                            First, for his integrity of character as a man and patriot, and because he suffered the greater martyrdom for their cause.

                                            [60] Were the people of the South punished for engaging in the war?

                                            Yes; by losing nearly all that they possessed, and further, by having a horde of men called “carpet-baggers” sent down to the South, their devotion to their country and to the cause of right, with no bitterness toward the government of the United States, under which we now live.

                                            [63] What other purpose have the Daughters of the Confederacy?

                                            To teach their children from generation to generation that there was no stain upon the action of their forefathers in the war between the States, and the women of the South, who nobly sustained them in that struggle, and will ever feel that their deathless deeds of valor are a precious heritage to be treasured for all time to come.

                                            [64] For what was the army of the South particularly noted?

                                            For its great commanders—great as soldiers and great as men of stainless character—and for the loyalty of the men in the ranks, who were dauntless in courage, “the bravest of the brave,” ever ready to rush into the “jaws of death” at the command of their great leaders.
                                            Generations of people were taught this bull shit. It ended up in bits and pieces of my history and Social Studies throughout all my schooling. I had teachers who woudlnt call it the Civil War but always.... always called it the War of Nothern Aggression. If I didnt actively seek an unbiased history of the Lost Cause myth I might never have deprogramed myself
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                                            • #23
                                              Cack is rev'd up. Better move this to the political threads.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                                                Exhibit A of a proper response to delusional people, laughter rather than indulging.
                                                Delusional is believing this election was stolen and getting the vaccine gives you 5G reception. Sandy Hook was a hoax, or January 6th was "peaceful" is delusional. Behavior like this is even more common at the state, county and local levels now as well. You think it's going to get better? Every fruit loop whackjob with time on their hands and a few dollars is going to primary someone for state rep. And they'll win.

                                                The last five to six years have not only seem norms and institutions erode before our eyes in real time, they've seen elected officials and members of the instittuions meant to safeguard the Republic either aid in that erosion or passively to little if anything to stop it. The courts might help you if you have money. Half the people in this country no longer trust elections and either won't vote or claim fraud if they don't get what they want out of the result. This is third world shit.

                                                So if you're one of the "it'll never happen here" people, I wish you well, because we're past that point because the odds have gotten better than it just might actually happen. Accountability and consequences simply do not matter anymore and too many of our systems are broken to the point that they either can't be fixed or people within the government are taking advantage of them.

                                                If you're a betting man, why would you put money down on this horse to make it right now?
                                                It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                  No gun problems. They actually respect intelligence and science. Beautiful places. Thats where Id go fo sure. AFter the Christ Church earthquake, I almost left to go to New Zealand to help rebuild the city as a free lance engineer. COuldnt pull th etrigger becasue of the fam.

                                                  America is just so full or morons of all ages and types I cant see how it continues to be a leader in anything. Morons who cant accept evolutiom, believe the earthis flat, QANon, antivaxxers... did you see thos ewomen at that meeting in Ohio talking about vaccine being a 5G terrorist plot or some shit? lol. Morons. Fucking Morons. And they vote. I absolutely see the last 4 years as having our democratic norms stressed and eroded to the point failure if not for a few people. Remove those people and the system compeltely breaks down.
                                                  Anything we were able to accomplish previously was able to be done because we were informed. Along the way, everyone got told there was no such thing as society or community and that everyone should just go get theirs and not worry about their neighbor anymore. Government was your enemy. Instead of trying to beat poverty, we villified the poor. Everybody started getting a trophy. Education was no longer valued. People preach family values but don't value families.



                                                  It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post

                                                    Delusional is believing this election was stolen and getting the vaccine gives you 5G reception. Sandy Hook was a hoax, or January 6th was "peaceful" is delusional. Behavior like this is even more common at the state, county and local levels now as well. You think it's going to get better? Every fruit loop whackjob with time on their hands and a few dollars is going to primary someone for state rep. And they'll win.

                                                    The last five to six years have not only seem norms and institutions erode before our eyes in real time, they've seen elected officials and members of the instittuions meant to safeguard the Republic either aid in that erosion or passively to little if anything to stop it. The courts might help you if you have money. Half the people in this country no longer trust elections and either won't vote or claim fraud if they don't get what they want out of the result. This is third world shit.

                                                    So if you're one of the "it'll never happen here" people, I wish you well, because we're past that point because the odds have gotten better than it just might actually happen. Accountability and consequences simply do not matter anymore and too many of our systems are broken to the point that they either can't be fixed or people within the government are taking advantage of them.

                                                    If you're a betting man, why would you put money down on this horse to make it right now?
                                                    I dont anticipate some collapse of the United States as a result of anti-vaxxers or loony conspiracy theorists.

                                                    If the country does split up, I'm not particularly worried. Certainly wouldn't cause me to flee the country lol. Hell, we probably wouldn't even hear about it up here til it was already over.



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                                                    • #27
                                                      Will one of the mods please move this to the Political Forum?

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                                                      • #28
                                                        Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                                        Cack is rev'd up. Better move this to the political threads.
                                                        Thats not very nice...:( Im totally cool rn.
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                                                        • #29
                                                          Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                          No gun problems. They actually respect intelligence and science. Beautiful places. Thats where Id go fo sure. AFter the Christ Church earthquake, I almost left to go to New Zealand to help rebuild the city as a free lance engineer. COuldnt pull th etrigger becasue of the fam.

                                                          America is just so full or morons of all ages and types I cant see how it continues to be a leader in anything. Morons who cant accept evolution, believe the earth is flat, QAnon, antivaxxers... did you see those women at that meeting in Ohio talking about vaccine being a 5G terrorist plot or some shit? lol. Morons. Fucking Morons. And they vote. I absolutely see the last 4 years as having our democratic norms stressed and eroded to the point of failure if not for a few people. Remove those people and the system compeltely breaks down.
                                                          Thank God the few were able to upend the will of the plebs to save our democracy.

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Originally posted by Wild Bill View Post

                                                            Thank God the few were able to upend the will of the plebs to save our democracy.
                                                            Meh.... if it weren’t for a few people in positions of some authority who did the right thing during and after the election and didn’t bow down to the pressure... Pence included, Trump could have been handed the presidency even though Joe really won, simply because they could have ignored the norms and said fuck it.
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                                                            • #31
                                                              Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                                              January 6th will be America's Beer Hall Putsch.

                                                              I have my passport renewed and got one for all three of my kids. Doesn't seem like anyone cares about what's happening and it's beyond concerning for me at this point.


                                                              You guys and the bloody, bloody January 6th "insurrection." A violent take over where the opposing side never fired a shot, and left when the National Guard asked them to leave. How will we ever recover? Again, here are your radical poster boys the media plastered the photos of everywhere as they work with police and stress to the others to remain peaceful.



                                                              These are guys that clearly aren't operating off any kind of plans, and they're hardly being violent. Had there been a real "insurrection" the guard would have quelled it quickly, but there was no need to. The whole protest lasted a matter of hours and Congress reconvened the very same night to finalize the vote. I'll stress again that I don't condone those that broke into the Capitol, it should have never happened, but to paint these guys as radical and violent anarchists that nearly subverted democracy...it's quite a stretch.

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                                                              • #32
                                                                Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                                                                Problem #1:

                                                                The ideologs that run the far left and right are both cheating, lying, criminals whose goal is the promotion of political ideologies in direct conflict with America's best interest. Moderates need to put down their pom poms and quit cheering on the Communists, Fascist & Socialists posing as Democrats and Republicans.

                                                                97.5% of Americans have basically zero knowledge of how a sovereign state, it's governmental institutions, the political parties and the political ideologies interact with & influence one another. And 90% of those that do, know just enough to be dangerous.


                                                                This is the damn truth right here. The extremists have stirred the pot, and now neither side can really work together.

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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ulukinatme View Post

                                                                  This is the damn truth right here. The extremists have stirred the pot, and now neither side can really work together.
                                                                  Only one side cannot work with the other;.....If your position is to tie morality to your worldview, then its baked into the cake when someone disagrees with you - that the other person has to be immoral, and therefore needs to be silenced/cancelled/banned. If you are not a proponent of the 'For the People Act"...then you must be against the people.

                                                                  There is a political/social impasse in this country.
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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    told you. 100% committed. Total Delusional. Scary shit
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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                                      Meh.... if it weren’t for a few people in positions of some authority who did the right thing during and after the election and didn’t bow down to the pressure... Pence included, Trump could have been handed the presidency even though Joe really won, simply because they could have ignored the norms and said fuck it.
                                                                      Yeah there isn't really a fantasy world where that happens.

                                                                      When you talk like this you are only a baby step above the very same idiots you decry as being insane individuals.

                                                                      Donald Trump lost the election. There was no formality that was going to re-install him as POTUS.
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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                                        told you. 100% committed. Total Delusional. Scary shit
                                                                        Cack, you are the Chicken Little in this scenario. We're not some 3rd world country that is constantly teetering towards anarchy or a totalitarian regime. We have the world's most powerful military. We have police, the reserves, we have chains of command should the President fall. The entire thing was over when the Guard stepped in, and the protesters left without a fight. You would have us believe that democracy nearly died when not one shot was fired. Who is the delusional one?

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                                                                        • #37
                                                                          I want to say to the American people the United States Senate will not be intimidated. We will not be kept out of this chamber by thugs, mobs or threats. We will not bow to lawlessness or intimidation. We are back at our posts. We will discharge our duty under the Constitution and for our nation. And we're going to do it tonight.

                                                                          This afternoon, Congress began the process of honoring the will of the American people and counting the Electoral College votes. We have fulfilled the solemn duty every four years for more than two centuries. Whether our nation has been at war or at peace, under all manner of threats, even during an ongoing armed rebellion and the Civil War, the clockwork of our democracy has carried on.

                                                                          The United States and the United States Congress have faced down much greater threats than the unhinged crowd we saw today. We've never been deterred before, and we will not be deterred today. They tried to disrupt our democracy. They failed. They failed. They failed to attempt to obstruct the Congress.

                                                                          This failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our republic. Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation – not fear, not force, but the peaceful expression of the popular will.

                                                                          Now, we assembled this afternoon to count our citizens' votes and to formalize their choice of the next president. Now we're going to finish exactly what we started. We'll complete the process the right way by the book. We'll follow our precedents, our laws and our Constitution to the letter. And we will certify the winner of the 2020 presidential election. Criminal behavior will never dominate the United States Congress. This institution is resilient. Our democratic republic is strong. -Mitch McConnell.
                                                                          It’s just sad. People who have bought in to the Big Lie make me sad. Nothing is gonna reach them. Mitch said this then torpedoed a commission to investigate what he called a failed insurrection.
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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Yes, Mitch said that...from the very Capitol that had protesters within it only hours earlier. It's understandable given the circumstances when a big event has occurred that emotions are high and nobody knew what was going on. He also said Congress have faced down much greater threats than the unhinged crowd, and that is certainly true too.

                                                                            What do you really think will be gained by commissioning an investigation at this point almost half a year later? Shall we wait a few years again for Mueller to interview all the boomers that were taking selfies on the Capitol steps? Are they going to bring to light a devious plot devised by a mastermind? I think we know everything there is worth knowing at this point, anything more is a further waste of tax dollars. These idiots had no plans once they were inside, a coordinated assault it was not. There was no massive battalion of heavily armed individuals rampaging and killing their way to the Senate chambers. Had the protesters really tried to do anything heinous one squad of Marines could have cleared the building in less than an hour, but they didn't...it never came close to that, they all left without a fight when the Guard told them to leave. The commission is nothing more than political leverage, it will drag on and the findings would likely be released sometime around say...2022 general election.

                                                                            I don't buy into the "Big Lie." I do think measures to secure our future elections are a good idea as we now know Russia, China, and Iran all tried to influence and interfere in the last election even if it was indirectly. It's only a matter of time before these countries try more direct means. Every American should be for securing our elections to the best of our abilities, and anyone who fights processes to make sure the elections are fair and accurate is a red flag. If there's nothing to hide, there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't take every measure necessary to ensure safeguards are in place.
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                                                                            • #39
                                                                              It’s sad to me that people go out of their way to defend these insurrectionists
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                                                                                Who's defending the rioters?

                                                                                in·sur·rec·tion
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                                                                                1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.

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                                                                                • #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                                                                  Who's defending the rioters?

                                                                                  in·sur·rec·tion
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                                                                                  1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.
                                                                                  According to the FBI who has now made over 500 arrests, violent crimes were committed and there were many armed individuals, planted explosive bombs, multiple cars were discoverd full of guns and weapons, they even used makeshift weapons. And yes by all accounts what ooccured is best described as an insurrection. But if you ACTUALLY THINK the limited number of LEOs present were in any way capable of searching and identifying ALL weapons carried by ALL the people that day then you I cant help you with that. It was violent and if you think it wasnt then you are living on another planet and I pity your ability to comprehend what happened The fact Ulks thinks his 1 video of a group of people being turned around debunks all the actions taken by alll the other people getting into the Capital and ALL th eviolent they committed doing so is pathetic. Its shit compared to all the video out here of people committing violence against LEOs to get in the Capital. Its sad I have to continue to fight back against all this bullshit proproganda from so called conservatives who are toatlly committed to downplaying what happeend and the legit threat to our democracy. So this will be my last post on the matter. To say it wasnt violent is PROPAGANDA. To say people didnt know what they were doing or it wasnt organized is PROPAGANDA.

                                                                                  DOJs list of current cases agaisnt arrested individuals.

                                                                                  FBI videos of violence agaisnt LEOs




















                                                                                  Fourteen people tied to the Jan. 6 attack are facing federal charges related to bringing or using dangerous weapons inside the building and two are facing firearms-related charges, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia.

                                                                                  NBC News reported that within a week after the attack a dozen guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition had been found on seven people arrested before and after the Capitol riot.

                                                                                  Cleveland Grover Meredith, drove to Washington from Colorado with an assault-style Tavor X95 rifle with a telescopic sight, a Glock 9 mm with high-capacity magazines and more than 2,500 rounds of ammunition, including at least 320 rounds of armor-piercing bullets, NBC reported. Reuters said Meredith texted "War time" after hearing Vice President Mike Pence would count electoral votes from states Trump lost.

                                                                                  In the trunk of Lonnie Coffman’s vehicle, police found an AR-15-style rifle, a shotgun, a crossbow, several machetes, smoke grenades and 11 Molotov cocktails, Reuters reported. Another man, Christopher Alberts of Maryland, was stopped as he left the Capitol grounds after a police officer spotted a loaded handgun on his hip.

                                                                                  Many more people armed themselves by more unorthodox means, causing damage and injury.

                                                                                  Robert Sanford, 55, of Pennsylvania, was allegedly caught on video throwing a fire extinguisher at a group of police officers. David Blair, 26, was seen hitting officers with a lacrosse stick, NBC said. Others had pepper spray, brass knuckles, a pipe and pocket knives, and one man was carrying a "stinger whip," a tool with blunt and whip-like edges marketed for self-defense and escaping a locked vehicle.

                                                                                  One rioter was caught on video beating a police officer with a flagpole bearing an American flag, NBC Washington reported. The New York Times reviewed video that showed people using stolen police shields, sticks and crutches as weapons.

                                                                                  And the man photographed with his feet on the desk of U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was carrying a 950,000-volt stun gun walking stick, House impeachment manager Stacey Plaskett revealed Feb. 10.

                                                                                  Not to mention pipe bombs were found near the Capitol at Republican and Democratic party headquarters.












                                                                                  Here is a list and description of at least 516 people arrested by FBI and their charges. Knowingly engaging in violence is a charge in nearly all of them.

                                                                                  Pipe Bomber per FBI is still out there
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                                                                                    Wanted by FBI for the following charges:
                                                                                    • Assault on Federal Officer (AFO): Seeking information on individuals who assaulted federal law enforcement personnel
                                                                                    • Assault on Media (AOM): Seeking information on individuals who targeted members of the media for assault, threats, destruction of property, and other unlawful conduct

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                                                                                    • #43
                                                                                      like you needed to post a shit ton of pics (like it matters one iota).....I'm going to say something that a lefty would NEVER say. Everyone who is guilty of crime may they be arrested and charged to the fullest extent. Including all of the antifa a-holios in portland and everywhere else that antifa 'doesnt' exist. its easy to spot antifa peeps, its a bunch of guys dressed up like females, half-shaved heads, blue-pink-red-green hair, yelling at black cops calling them race-traitors, all spewing the same rhetoric because their cancel-culture doesnt allow them to have their own thoughts. Basically, its the white liberals that Malcolm X tried to warn everyone about, lol.


                                                                                      thankfully you spent all that time putting that post together, it really made a huge difference; or at least it made you feel good.
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                                                                                      • #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by TDHeysus View Post
                                                                                        like you needed to post a shit ton of pics (like it matters one iota).....I'm going to say something that a lefty would NEVER say. Everyone who is guilty of crime may they be arrested and charged to the fullest extent. Including all of the antifa a-holios in portland and everywhere else that antifa 'doesnt' exist. its easy to spot antifa peeps, its a bunch of guys dressed up like females, half-shaved heads, blue-pink-red-green hair, yelling at black cops calling them race-traitors, all spewing the same rhetoric because their cancel-culture doesnt allow them to have their own thoughts. Basically, its the white liberals that Malcolm X tried to warn everyone about, lol.


                                                                                        thankfully you spent all that time putting that post together, it really made a huge difference; or at least it made you feel good.
                                                                                        It didnt make me feel any beeter nor was it intended to. It makes me sad because the misinformation being spread in this thread is sad.I provided a link to 500+ people already arrested for violence and weapon charges. I provided mutliple videos by the FBI showing the violence. I provided multiple videos of the violence caught on camera. The photos are of approximately 500 out of a total of 1200 on th FBI website where they are looking to arrest these people for assaulting LEOs. People claimed it wasnt violent. I gave you the people arressted and charged with cviolent acts, posession of weapons plus a small portion of the people the FBI still wants to identify and charge. Its not a handful. Its thousands. They committed violent acts agianst our LEOs but you seem totally ok with that since you summarrily dissmissed them. Classic
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                                                                                        • #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post

                                                                                          It didnt make me feel any beeter nor was it intended to. It makes me sad because the misinformation being spread in this thread is sad.I provided a link to 500+ people already arrested for violence and weapon charges. I provided mutliple videos by the FBI showing the violence. I provided multiple videos of the violence caught on camera. The photos are of approximately 500 out of a total of 1200 on th FBI website where they are looking to arrest these people for assaulting LEOs. People claimed it wasnt violent. I gave you the people arressted and charged with cviolent acts, posession of weapons plus a small portion of the people the FBI still wants to identify and charge. Its not a handful. Its thousands. They committed violent acts agianst our LEOs but you seem totally ok with that since you summarrily dissmissed them. Classic
                                                                                          speaking of misinformation....

                                                                                          black lives matter ....while not doing anything for 'black lives'
                                                                                          Antifa ....while exhibiting and using fascistic methods and policies
                                                                                          Weak a mask, dont wear a mask, wear 2 masks, wear a mask even if you have the COVID-19 EUA. Now apparently masks never really worked at all.
                                                                                          Saying 'Lab-leak' got you called a racist, xenophobe, posts deleted, accounts banned.....now its a plausible theory.
                                                                                          Removing masks mandate was Neanderthal thinking....Hello Texas!
                                                                                          Trump had ppl 'gassed' so he could get a photo op with a Bible.....proved false
                                                                                          Trump ignored Russian bounties on america troops.....proved false
                                                                                          Trump called soldiers 'suckers' .....proved false
                                                                                          There will not be a vaccine by the end of the year.....proved false
                                                                                          COVID-19 EUA will not be widely available by April.....false
                                                                                          Its not safe to open schools.....false

                                                                                          Now if you even question election results, your racist, xenophobe, insurrectionist (sense a trend yet?)

                                                                                          All from the go-along-to-get-along gang....

                                                                                          (i didnt even mention russian collusion, that we sat thru for 3 years and $40million)
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                                                                                          • #46
                                                                                            None of that has a single thing to do with this thread or my posts. Lol What a travesty.
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                                                                                            • #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                                                                                              None of that has a single thing to do with this thread or my posts. Lol What a travesty.
                                                                                              yeah it does....you first mentioned misinformation (so I gave some examples of misinformation that you never worried about before)...also everything I mentioned is what the 'go-along-to-get-along gang' has said over the last 2-4 years.

                                                                                              Now in your OP, the go-along-to-get-along gang is trying to say something else. It will be proved false too.

                                                                                              I'm old enough to remember the 'hole in the ozone layer' and how florida was going to under water by 2001........FALSE!

                                                                                              but it wont stop you from firing off at the hip on EVERY SINGLE POLITICAL post
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                                                                                              • #48
                                                                                                I havent posted in any politcial threads in months. Im actually trying to actively stay away from them becasue its a just conservative circle jerk of verbal bukakae. Not for me anymore. Your last post is a clear example of how impossible it is to discuss anything political as there is no way I could challenge or correct the numerous issues with your facial you just posted.
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