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  • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post

    Vaccines are here and we are still not back to normal - you are claiming everything is back to normal. Unless you are elitists flying private to shirk your duties you are required to wear a face covering on an airplane - that is not normal. Our public schools are currently planning on requiring face coverings for the next school year in NC. That is not normal. GTFOH with your inability to understand any point that runs counter to your narrative.
    "Most restrictions lifted" =/= back to normal.

    Not sure what my narrative is other than "Vaccines work, and they're helping to push countries towards returning to normal".

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    • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post

      Strongly recommend following this guy if you're on twitter. He points out very clearly the population health differences across the globe once Ivermectin is introduced, and graphs everything.

      The results will piss you off.

      https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/...457127430?s=19
      These graphs are void of markers where strict health measures were put into place, or when vaccine coverage increased.

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      • https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/sta...210745858?s=19

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        • What's the purpose of this? Do you think it prudent to wait until the curve ramps up substantially before reinstating a masking policy?

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          • Essay from a US Dr of 40 years urging people to use Ivermectin. He's since been censored in facebook.

            "If there were an exceedingly safe and effective treatment for COVID that would dramatically reduce deaths, hospitalizations and transmission, we would be insane not to use it. There is such a medication: ivermectin. It must be immediately deployed to prevent and treat COVID-19."

            "Most of these types of appeals end with, “we are not giving medical advice.” Well, I am. I am a physician. I have studied this extensively. It is my professional and moral duty to spread this life-saving information."

            https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/o...-of-ivermectin

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            • Originally posted by Trait Expectations View Post

              What's the purpose of this? Do you think it prudent to wait until the curve ramps up substantially before reinstating a masking policy?
              Masks and shutdowns don't stop the spread of COVID. Comparative state studies have shown this repeatedly. Watch what happens next.

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              • They're bumping us back up to Phase 3 here in Austin after a spike in cases, with only a few being the Delta variant. I think some of the restrictions may come back if we don't see numbers flatten.

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                • Wondering when the variant comes along that doesn't care that you've been vaccinated. Can't wait for that one.

                  Fall and winter should be great times.
                  It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                  • I think the "endemic transition" has already taken place in pretty much every state that has reached that 70% goal, especially ones where 10% + of the population had confirmed infections. I expect the rural areas that are getting hammered now are unfortunately no where near that endemicity and it is going to be a rough couple months. I suspect Balloux's tweet is in light of LA county's decision, which will prove to have minimal effect.

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                    • Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post
                      They're bumping us back up to Phase 3 here in Austin after a spike in cases, with only a few being the Delta variant. I think some of the restrictions may come back if we don't see numbers flatten.
                      Not sure it would work very well. I can't imagine there would be very much compliance.
                      Based Mullet Kid owns

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                      • Originally posted by notredomer23 View Post


                        I think the "endemic transition" has already taken place in pretty much every state that has reached that 70% goal, especially ones where 10% + of the population had confirmed infections. I expect the rural areas that are getting hammered now are unfortunately no where near that endemicity and it is going to be a rough couple months. I suspect Balloux's tweet is in light of LA county's decision, which will prove to have minimal effect.
                        I tend to agree based on what we’ve seen thus far. The window may have been open long enough to eradicate C19 but we’ll never know b/c of stubbornness to get the vaccine ASAP. Now it will be a part of all the other viruses we deal with on a yearly basis. I suspect there will now be a “COVID season” much like the flu variants.

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                        • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                          Not sure it would work very well. I can't imagine there would be very much compliance.
                          In Austin? Yeah people will mask up again, places will shut down/restrict stuff, but the governor won't do it until absolutely necessary.

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                          • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post

                            Masks and shutdowns don't stop the spread of COVID. Comparative state studies have shown this repeatedly. Watch what happens next.
                            So then you advocate doing nothing besides putting everyone on continuous prophylactic doses of Ivermectin, yes?

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                            • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post
                              Essay from a US Dr of 40 years urging people to use Ivermectin. He's since been censored in facebook.

                              "If there were an exceedingly safe and effective treatment for COVID that would dramatically reduce deaths, hospitalizations and transmission, we would be insane not to use it. There is such a medication: ivermectin. It must be immediately deployed to prevent and treat COVID-19."

                              "Most of these types of appeals end with, “we are not giving medical advice.” Well, I am. I am a physician. I have studied this extensively. It is my professional and moral duty to spread this life-saving information."

                              https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/o...-of-ivermectin
                              You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?

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                              • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post

                                Masks and shutdowns don't stop the spread of COVID. Comparative state studies have shown this repeatedly. Watch what happens next.
                                They do and the stats show it.

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                                • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post

                                  You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?
                                  Well big Pharma is keeping it down, taking a drug repeatedly to try an inconclusive repurposed drug is actually much better than a free vaccine you only have to take once/twice. What are sheep you are.

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                                  • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post

                                    You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?
                                    I dismiss the study because its protocol made it garbage. Studying the "impact" on a perfectly healthy 37 year old? Child's play. If anyone thinks that study has merit we're not in the same ballpark.

                                    I posted the article because it's another interesting piece. If you pay attn to only one thing I post, pay attn to the meta-analysis, peer reviewed paper that shows unequivocally that Ivermectin destroys COVID both as a precentative and a treatment.

                                    Here's this too while I'm here. Early, but bad signs about the vaccine effectiveness. This is the inventor of the mRNA technology.

                                    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/statu...701475844?s=19

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                                    • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post

                                      You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?
                                      Here's Brett Weinstein explaining how ridiculous the article is.

                                      ​​​​​​https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin/...going_on_clip/
                                      I was smarter when I drank...
                                      I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                      • https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-s...-patients.html

                                        Here's an article laying out the human tragedy anti vaxxers are opening the door for.

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                                        • New England Journal of Medicine:

                                          “Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the delta variant as compared with the alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses”

                                          Alpha: 93% effective (Pfizer)
                                          Delta: 88% effective (Pfizer


                                          https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

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                                          • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                            New England Journal of Medicine:

                                            “Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the delta variant as compared with the alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses”

                                            Alpha: 93% effective (Pfizer)
                                            Delta: 88% effective (Pfizer


                                            https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891
                                            That's pretty cool.
                                            Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                            • Has anyone else wondered why the virus was started around the holidays of 2019. I'm watching a fictitious movie, Contagion. They say it's the perfect time to release a biological weapon.
                                              I watch movies and learn important stuff...
                                              I was smarter when I drank...
                                              I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                              • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post

                                                That's pretty cool.
                                                As the kids would say "POG"

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                                                • Based off the data from Israel and the UK, I think its very likely that the US is undercounting vaccinated Covid hospitalizations. ~40-50% of Covid hospitalizations in each of the UK and Israel are from previously vaccinated individuals. Doesn't mean the vaccines aren't effective, as the vast majority of vaccinated hospitalizations are elderly individuals who have a 90%+ vaccination rate.


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                                                  • Originally posted by NDPhilly View Post
                                                    Based off the data from Israel and the UK, I think its very likely that the US is undercounting vaccinated Covid hospitalizations. ~40-50% of Covid hospitalizations in each of the UK and Israel are from previously vaccinated individuals. Doesn't mean the vaccines aren't effective, as the vast majority of vaccinated hospitalizations are elderly individuals who have a 90%+ vaccination rate.

                                                    I have suspicions of this as well. I think they are trying desperately to drive increased vaccination rates through data/reporting. I think we'll see the data slowly transform over the next 3-6 months to give us a better idea of what kind of immunity vaccination gives us against these variants.

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                                                    • Originally posted by Trait Expectations View Post

                                                      I have suspicions of this as well. I think they are trying desperately to drive increased vaccination rates through data/reporting. I think we'll see the data slowly transform over the next 3-6 months to give us a better idea of what kind of immunity vaccination gives us against these variants.
                                                      Definitely undercounting, but I think it also makes sense in the UK and Israel that the many of the hospitalized are vaccinated given the higher risk population is at an extremely high rate of vaccination and the total hospitalizations are very low. the UK is around 4K. Israel is at 60. In the US, last I checked there was about 27K hospitalizations. UK population is about a 5th of the US so US hospitalizations disproportionately higher largely due to the lower vaccination rate for sure.

                                                      On a positive note, it does appear the current UK wave is beginning to recede. Typical epi-curve of 8-10 weeks. If US cases follow same trajectory, we will probably peak around 80-90K daily cases late August.

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                                                      • Originally posted by notredomer23 View Post

                                                        Definitely undercounting, but I think it also makes sense in the UK and Israel that the many of the hospitalized are vaccinated given the higher risk population is at an extremely high rate of vaccination and the total hospitalizations are very low. the UK is around 4K. Israel is at 60. In the US, last I checked there was about 27K hospitalizations. UK population is about a 5th of the US so US hospitalizations disproportionately higher largely due to the lower vaccination rate for sure.

                                                        On a positive note, it does appear the current UK wave is beginning to recede. Typical epi-curve of 8-10 weeks. If US cases follow same trajectory, we will probably peak around 80-90K daily cases late August.
                                                        Think even in the 3rd wave (ffs how many waves are there going to be) that hospitalizations/deaths were less than the 2nd wave. Early results seem like that's going to be the case with the 4th wave that's happening. It would appear that the eXpErImeNtAl vaccine is doing a pretty good job and bringing it down to swine flu level (hopefully).

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                                                        • How does the 20k increase in drug overdoses last year pair up demographically with Covid deaths? That doesn't even scratch increases in usage/addiction - haven't seen anything tracking that.

                                                          https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

                                                          Age 0-17 - 337 deaths involving Covid versus 50,488 total deaths. Think of all the fear of this thing people are placing on their kids when they are 150x more likely to die from something else - statistically nil. Get your vac if you want and leave the kids alone. This is an adult problem, stop projecting it on to children.

                                                          https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

                                                          Age 0-24 - 1238 Covid on death cert - 263 obese, 119 diabetes, 145 cardiac arrest, 123 sepsis

                                                          12,314 "co-morbidities" labeled "Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning, and other adverse events - 110 ages 0-24

                                                          Really appreciate using different age bands in these tables - smh.

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                                                          • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post

                                                            Think even in the 3rd wave (ffs how many waves are there going to be) that hospitalizations/deaths were less than the 2nd wave. Early results seem like that's going to be the case with the 4th wave that's happening. It would appear that the eXpErImeNtAl vaccine is doing a pretty good job and bringing it down to swine flu level (hopefully).
                                                            Absolutely. In the winter wave cases were just as high, but hospitalizations reached 38K at one point in the UK. So they're currently at tenth of that. It is tough to compare apples to apples the cases though because they are currently doing something like a million tests/day.

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                                                            • Biggest take away is that everybody over 60 is taking ivermectin.

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                                                              • What did Davonte do?

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                                                                • Nice pivot from hospitalizations to cases. Just like two weeks to flatten the curve so hospitals can handle the load is a distant memory. WTF.

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                                                                  • If they think of instituting new lockdowns or even restrictions that would hurt everyone significantly more than the delta varient. Even before the vaccine this disease didnt really affect people that much. Government overreach is outrageous
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                                                                    • Originally posted by ryno 24 View Post
                                                                      If they think of instituting new lockdowns or even restrictions that would hurt everyone significantly more than the delta varient. Even before the vaccine this disease didnt really affect people that much. Government overreach is outrageous
                                                                      Not comments on the data I posted. Scream at and ostracize the youth and shitcan their education for something that is a statistical nothingburger to them. Everyone has had their chance to get the vaccine who needs it - time to pull up your panties and get back to life. Yet we have Toronto and others acting like life is normal now.

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                                                                      • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post

                                                                        Not comments on the data I posted. Scream at and ostracize the youth and shitcan their education for something that is a statistical nothingburger to them. Everyone has had their chance to get the vaccine who needs it - time to pull up your panties and get back to life. Yet we have Toronto and others acting like life is normal now.
                                                                        What are you unable to do right now that you would like to do? From everything I've read that situation down there is pretty enviable in terms of freedom to do whatever.

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                                                                        • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post

                                                                          Yet we have Toronto and others acting like life is normal now.
                                                                          I live in "nanny state" New York and I've been to two 150+ person indoor weddings with no mandatory mask wearing in just the past month. What exactly are you expecting?
                                                                          "Yes, they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell!"
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                                                                          • Originally posted by RDU Irish View Post

                                                                            Not comments on the data I posted. Scream at and ostracize the youth and shitcan their education for something that is a statistical nothingburger to them. Everyone has had their chance to get the vaccine who needs it - time to pull up your panties and get back to life. Yet we have Toronto and others acting like life is normal now.
                                                                            What do you want us to comment that's irrelevant to the current COVID situation for most? I've long questioned lockdowns or at least the way we did it here and the rest of the West.

                                                                            I'm sorry life's not normal for you. I have been to bars, night clubs, concerts, sporting events, the movies, a family reunion, a vacation with the family. Have not brought a mask with me anywhere since May. The most abnormal thing I've probably had to do is take a few at home tests after some close contacts tested positive. Other than that, life's been 2019. Don't have kids so just not an issue I really care about.

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                                                                            • https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...orfeited-games

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                                                                              It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                                              • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                                                                Considering the recent uptick in Covid cases among the vaccinated...what's the point? The vaccines aren't preventing infections, they are mostly preventing severe illness which was already highly unlikely with the worlds best athletes.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                                                                  Perfectly normal. Everything is just like 2019.

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                                                                                  • Rick Dennison out as Minnesota Vikings assistant after refusing COVID-19 vaccine, sources say

                                                                                    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ne-sources-say

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by Blazers46 View Post
                                                                                      Rick Dennison out as Minnesota Vikings assistant after refusing COVID-19 vaccine, sources say

                                                                                      https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ne-sources-say
                                                                                      For him, Brian Harsin at Auburn and Cole Beasley, and knucklehead Hopkins

                                                                                      "Vaccination is a personal choice"

                                                                                      OK, so is
                                                                                      Suicide
                                                                                      Alcoholism
                                                                                      Meth Addiction
                                                                                      Having sex with a woman with hepatitis without using a condom.

                                                                                      Let freedom ring, Rick!

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                                                                                      • Once the FDA fully approves vaccines as a drug, companies will be allowed to mandate that their employees get it. Hopefully, it increases vax rate once it’s no longer under “emergency use” designation. Mercy Health Systems has already mandated that all employees be vaccinated. Not surprisingly, this has led to protests but once full FDA approval is given, I suspect most companies will mandate it for employees if there’s still high infection rates.

                                                                                        “Pfizer, maker of the first vaccine authorized for emergency use in the United States, said Friday it expects the FDA to grant full approval by January 2022 at the latest. Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock has said a decision should come well before then.”

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                                                          Once the FDA fully approves vaccines as a drug, companies will be allowed to mandate that their employees get it. Hopefully, it increases vax rate once it’s no longer under “emergency use” designation. Mercy Health Systems has already mandated that all employees be vaccinated. Not surprisingly, this has led to protests but once full FDA approval is given, I suspect most companies will mandate it for employees if there’s still high infection rates.
                                                                                          It's mandated by the UC (University of California) system as well.

                                                                                          Everyone should listen to this:

                                                                                          https://samharris.org/podcasts/256-contagion-bad-ideas/

                                                                                          This is for Razor especially. I've given over 4 hrs to listening to content you've suggested with Rogan/Weinstein and reading your data. Give that a listen and give me your thoughts if you're really willing to consider all the information.

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                                                                                          • Stopped at Mc Donald's this morning to grab a coffee. Their coffee cups now have a get vaccinated theme.

                                                                                            Pfizer study is showing that a third dose could prevent the Delta variant.

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                                                                                            • Israel decided to be the largest study in the world. The results show natural immunity is far superior, with 1% experiencing re-infection compared to 40% of vacc'd.

                                                                                              And they just removed the reporting they established that showed hospitalization and deaths broken out by vaccinated vs un vacc'd. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

                                                                                              https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/309762

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post
                                                                                                Israel decided to be the largest study in the world. The results show natural immunity is far superior, with 1% experiencing re-infection compared to 40% of vacc'd.

                                                                                                And they just removed the reporting they established that showed hospitalization and deaths broken out by vaccinated vs un vacc'd. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

                                                                                                https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/309762
                                                                                                So, if we say 41% of people infected have some sort of prior immunity before getting COVID.....that leaves 59% of cases to...(drum roll, please)....unvaccinated people!

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                                                                                  Stopped at Mc Donald's this morning to grab a coffee. Their coffee cups now have a get vaccinated theme.

                                                                                                  Pfizer study is showing that a third dose could prevent the Delta variant.
                                                                                                  There is an interesting dynamic going on where Moderna internally does not think a booster is necessary for continued immunity, whereas Pfizer is pushing for it.

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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by tussin View Post

                                                                                                    There is an interesting dynamic going on where Moderna internally does not think a booster is necessary for continued immunity, whereas Pfizer is pushing for it.
                                                                                                    I think I said it a few pages back but anecdotally I still don't know anyone who has gotten Moderna with a breakthrough infection. Whereas I know more than just a few who received Pfizer that have gotten sick. Probably purely coincidence... or maybe not.

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post
                                                                                                      Israel decided to be the largest study in the world. The results show natural immunity is far superior, with 1% experiencing re-infection compared to 40% of vacc'd.

                                                                                                      And they just removed the reporting they established that showed hospitalization and deaths broken out by vaccinated vs un vacc'd. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

                                                                                                      https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/309762
                                                                                                      In a perfect world, you (or the Israeli study) may be on to something but what about the hundreds of thousands of unhealthy (some by their choice, some due to uncontrollable immuno-compromised status) who couldn’t utilize natural immunity b/c they freakin’ died from COVID? Look I’ve been banging the drum on how COVID was the perfect opportunity nationally to push a “get healthy” narrative b/c while we may be one of the wealthiest nations in the world we are also one of the unhealthiest of the first world countries. And…newsflash…it’s not b/c we don’t have free healthcare. It’s b/c Americans become gluttons to the point of morbid obesity & type 2 diabetes. There’s no pill to prevent them from stuffing their faces. Free will is a gift from God but we all tend to misuse it from time to time…some more than others.

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