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[Irish YJ]

Not sure if that was legit or acting

If you look real close in reflection of the picture glass, you can see the ESPN assistant cutting onions below Herb.

[BeatSC]

That was a gimme a break moment. Felt contrived frankly and almost gratuitous. I would have liked to see a lot more crap thrown at the Big 10 and PAC 10 for pussin out. Not sure if the talked about the added year of eligibility enough and how useless a spring schedule of PAC 10 and Big 10 football would be.

I also think espn has been sitting back and hoping for political reasons CFB craps out as their has been no college football live leading up to this season as if it was a foregone conclusion it would be cancelled because Herbie thought so.

On a more controversial note I will miss Flutie in the booth. Kind of humiliating for him to now be relegating him to sideline duty. I guess we are making way for Drew.

[317Irish]

-College Football Playoff Chase: Let’s Break Down The Race For The No. 4 Spot Already. Brain Kelly....
-Week 3 schedule: unranked USF vs unranked ND

I understand that there are journalistic errors here and there but I find these on ESPN regarding ND to be more intentional. The above are just the ones at this point in time, but there always seems to be something.

[drayer54]

MSESPN at it again:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ESPN&#39;s Max Kellerman says without any evidence that &quot;extremist right-wing agitators&quot; are responsible for the riots around America.<br><br>This is insanity. <a href="https://t.co/woOvFtwIvr">pic.twitter.com/woOvFtwIvr</a></p>&mdash; David Hookstead (@dhookstead) <a href="https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1308451193962729473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lastly, Kellerman may be wrong that riots themselves are *explicitly* caused by right-wing agitators, but the worst violence we are seeing during these events (to humans, not property) is arguably coming from the batshit Boogaloo movement: <a href="https://t.co/gnVh8jJci9">https://t.co/gnVh8jJci9</a> <a href="https://t.co/KjsfVoNmZ6">pic.twitter.com/KjsfVoNmZ6</a></p>&mdash; Luke Thomas (@lthomasnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/1308563480300204034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drayer54]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lastly, Kellerman may be wrong that riots themselves are *explicitly* caused by right-wing agitators, but the worst violence we are seeing during these events (to humans, not property) is arguably coming from the batshit Boogaloo movement: <a href="https://t.co/gnVh8jJci9">https://t.co/gnVh8jJci9</a> <a href="https://t.co/KjsfVoNmZ6">pic.twitter.com/KjsfVoNmZ6</a></p>&mdash; Luke Thomas (@lthomasnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/1308563480300204034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is sarcasm, right?

[calvegas04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One source from within ESPN reportedly said that the layoffs could be between 300 and 700 employees. <a href="https://t.co/4ty7daRHnD">https://t.co/4ty7daRHnD</a></p>&mdash; The Western Journal (@WestJournalism) <a href="https://twitter.com/WestJournalism/status/1315409094451187714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Irish YJ]

[texbender]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One source from within ESPN reportedly said that the layoffs could be between 300 and 700 employees. <a href="https://t.co/4ty7daRHnD">https://t.co/4ty7daRHnD</a></p>&mdash; The Western Journal (@WestJournalism) <a href="https://twitter.com/WestJournalism/status/1315409094451187714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not glad anyone losing their job, but essentially these are NOT ESSENTIAL, especially in the minds of the corporate beancounters. Hope they start by drastically reducing the talking heads that yack non-stop about nothing. Get a real job.

[zelezo vlk]

Hope Wiz's job is safe.

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[ACamp1900]

Hope Wiz's job is safe.

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This was my first thought,...

[drayer54]

ESPN has become trash. I hope Kellerman gets fired. Outkick has started it's own TV brand for people who aren't bleeding heart liberals since sports has somehow become partisan. I actually like it better though.

Real story may be no different than any other business about to be sold off- https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ng-rid-of-espn

“ESPN used to be this unbelievable thing, and now it’s just a really expensive thing they are having trouble monetizing,” Cramer added. “ESPN is no longer the precious place that it once was.”

[ACamp1900]

Yeah the Kellerman quote is batshit,... I’m watching a bunch of Gameday for the first time in at least a year (maybe more honestly) and it’s just tired imo

[Bishop2b5]

Hope Wiz's job is safe.

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Didn't Wiz mention a year or so ago that he'd moved on to another employer, or am I misremembering?

[Circa]

https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/s...416169475?s=21

[Irish#1]

Inevitable given how they've changed. COVID just accelerated some of this. Hate to see people losing their jobs, especially as the holiday season is fast approaching.

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I came to work at ESPN 18 years ago today, on Nov. 5, 2002, as the first college football writer at <a href="https://t.co/01M4kGwztH">https://t.co/01M4kGwztH</a>. On the day that my employment became an adult, ESPN informed me that upon expiration of my contract on Jan. 31, I will no longer be working here. 1/</p>&mdash; Ivan Maisel (@Ivan_Maisel) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ivan_Maisel/status/1324450100358356993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm sorry about all of the vitriol over the ESPN layoffs on Twitter today. I'm one of the people who lost my job. I worked there more than 22 years. I'm luckier than most. A lot of good people are losing their jobs. It's nothing to celebrate. It's a very sad day in Bristol.</p>&mdash; Elida Witthoeft (@elidawitthoeft) <a href="https://twitter.com/elidawitthoeft/status/1324435508173414401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sad to say I am one of those caught in ESPN’s cuts today. Could not be more thankful to have had the chance to work with some incredible people. Got to live my dream for a few years and do some of the best work of my career. Still have some stuff coming before I’m done, too.</p>&mdash; Chris Peters (@chrismpeters) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrismpeters/status/1324422279581769728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

seems to be alot of espn.com writers

[NDdomer2]

this is second time for all of this right?

Maybe this is part of why we havent seen wiz recently, he works for espn no?

[ThePiombino]

Herbstreit butchering JOK's name on CGD right now. SMH...

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[bkess8]

I find this hilarious on so many levels. So you are telling me ESPN that ND beat the number 1 team in the nation and fell in your FPI (football power index). What is this based on, strength of schedule, wins, conference bias? With the upcoming layoffs ESPN is becoming more irrelevant by the day.

Here is their top 10, enjoy the laugh.
10. Texas 5-2 moved up 2
9. Oregon 1-0 up 1
8. Oklahoma 5-2 NC
7. Notre Dame 7-0 down 1
6. Florida 4-1 up 3
5. Georgia 4-2 NC
4. Wisconsin 1-0 NC
3. Clemson 7-1 NC
2. Ohio State 3-0 down 1
1. Alabama 6-0 up 1

Shakeup in ESPN's Football Power Index Top 25

[Old Man Mike]

Fortunately, that nonsense is irrelevant.

... unlike ourselves.

[Irish YJ]

ESPN sucks almost as much as Skunkbears.

[Guyjin37]

If you read the descriptions on that power index, even ESPN is starting to question the FPI.

Explain this, ESPN. Notre Dame beats top-ranked Clemson at home and sees its poll position be negatively-affected as a result? Despite staying unbeaten, the Irish have a 36.2% shot at winning the ACC, which is considerably lower than the team they just beat (60.2%). ESPN's FPI must know something we don't about the rematch in a couple of weeks.

[ThePiombino]

I find this hilarious on so many levels. So you are telling me ESPN that ND beat the number 1 team in the nation and fell in your FPI (football power index). What is this based on, strength of schedule, wins, conference bias? With the upcoming layoffs ESPN is becoming more irrelevant by the day.

Here is their top 10, enjoy the laugh.
10. Texas 5-2 moved up 2
9. Oregon 1-0 up 1
8. Oklahoma 5-2 NC
7. Notre Dame 7-0 down 1
6. Florida 4-1 up 3
5. Georgia 4-2 NC
4. Wisconsin 1-0 NC
3. Clemson 7-1 NC
2. Ohio State 3-0 down 1
1. Alabama 6-0 up 1

Shakeup in ESPN's Football Power Index Top 25

This is actually hilarious lol

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[Irish YJ]

I can mentally accept Bama and OSU. I can even accept, not agree, but just accept Clemson being ahead of us.

Wisconsin?? After only one game, which was against IL? WTF
UGA?? Their offense looks anemic, and they just gave up 44pts.
FL?? Aren't they giving up like 30pts a game?

[BabyIrish]

I can mentally accept Bama and OSU. I can even accept, not agree, but just accept Clemson being ahead of us.

Wisconsin?? After only one game, which was against IL? WTF
UGA?? Their offense looks anemic, and they just gave up 44pts.
FL?? Aren't they giving up like 30pts a game?

Alabama passes OSU on a bye week?

[Irish YJ]

Alabama passes OSU on a bye week?

I'm guessing it's because their best win, vs PSU, doesn't look so great now. OSU, IMO, never should have been in front of Bama. Bama is putting up like 45ppg and has convincing wins over TAMU and UGA.

[bkess8]

If we had and played OSU's schedule as of today we wouldn't be in the top 10.

[GowerND11]

I find this hilarious on so many levels. So you are telling me ESPN that ND beat the number 1 team in the nation and fell in your FPI (football power index). What is this based on, strength of schedule, wins, conference bias? With the upcoming layoffs ESPN is becoming more irrelevant by the day.

Here is their top 10, enjoy the laugh.
10. Texas 5-2 moved up 2
9. Oregon 1-0 up 1
8. Oklahoma 5-2 NC
7. Notre Dame 7-0 down 1
6. Florida 4-1 up 3
5. Georgia 4-2 NC
4. Wisconsin 1-0 NC
3. Clemson 7-1 NC
2. Ohio State 3-0 down 1
1. Alabama 6-0 up 1

Shakeup in ESPN's Football Power Index Top 25

FPI isn't a ranking, that's what you have to remember about it. It takes everything into account to make predictions about results, not who is better. We can't get hung up on it.

[NDFAN420]

FPI isn't a ranking, that's what you have to remember about it. It takes everything into account to make predictions about results, not who is better. We can't get hung up on it.

Is there a description of their formula anywhere? I tried looking at the FPI page but couldn't find anything. It really makes me think the same way about the allstate playoff predictor. That at this point in the season, the underlying numbers rely more on opinion and a wet thumb in the air, rather than anything substantive.

[greyhammer90]

Is there a description of their formula anywhere? I tried looking at the FPI page but couldn't find anything. It really makes me think the same way about the allstate playoff predictor. That at this point in the season, the underlying numbers rely more on opinion and a wet thumb in the air, rather than anything substantive.

SP+ is a similar ranking system that explains its methodology quite a bit. It had ND move backwards from 7th to 8th after this win as well. Basically the computer did the math, and said "ND would have only won that game 40% of the time," so it reacted accordingly. It's important to remember that these are formulations designed to help people know what to expect when two teams play (read: it's meant to help gamblers decide how to bet on a spread more than actually rank the teams). It's not meant to be a determination of who the best team is, who has the best resume, or who deserves anything.

[GowerND11]

SP+ is a similar ranking system that explains its methodology quite a bit. It had ND move backwards from 7th to 8th after this win as well. Basically the computer did the math, and said "ND would have only won that game 40% of the time," so it reacted accordingly. It's important to remember that these are formulations designed to help people know what to expect when two teams play (read: it's meant to help gamblers decide how to bet on a spread more than actually rank the teams). It's not meant to be a determination of who the best team is, who has the best resume, or who deserves anything.

Bingo. They also try to take the luck out of the equation. So the Wu fumble recovery for a TD was taken out of the final score in FPI, so they "count it as a Clemson win." Its certainly an interesting system, but as you said it's more about the spread, predictability, and gambling than ranking the teams.

[NDFAN420]

Thanks! That was definitely helpful.

[ulukinatme]

Just saw Golic is getting let go? WTF. ESPN has done some boneheaded things the last 5 years, but this has to be one of the bigger ones. It's funny that Greenberg wanted his own show, threw Golic under the bus, and it turns out the Get Up show sucks. Why? Nobody wants to listen to Greenberg. Here's hoping Mike lands somewhere he's appreciated.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories...ouncement-news

[dublinirish]

Just saw Golic is getting let go? WTF. ESPN has done some boneheaded things the last 5 years, but this has to be one of the bigger ones. It's funny that Greenberg wanted his own show, threw Golic under the bus, and it turns out the Get Up show sucks. Why? Nobody wants to listen to Greenberg. Here's hoping Mike lands somewhere he's appreciated.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories...ouncement-news

he's been awful in the booth covering CFB this season FWIW

[ulukinatme]

he's been awful in the booth covering CFB this season FWIW

He's been doing radio for over 20 years, so if he's rusty in the booth I get it. I only saw him do a few games, but he didn't seem that bad to me.

[irishtrooper]

He's been doing radio for over 20 years, so if he's rusty in the booth I get it. I only saw him do a few games, but he didn't seem that bad to me.

Me either. I’m not saying he’s Romo, but he’s not bad. Plus he’s got other abilities that ESPN can use. He’s infinitely more likable than Kellerman or SAS for instance. That being said I don’t even watch ESPN anymore unless it’s for a game. I’m tired of being preached to about politics. I prefer Golic in the booth over Aikman for sure.....

[Ndaccountant]

Is this the time Dan Dakich finally gets the pink slip? I personally can't stand him as he thinks his "take" carries more weight than it does and he is just awful. But how many times can he be in the news before ESPN finally says enough?

[ulukinatme]

Is this the time Dan Dakich finally gets the pink slip? I personally can't stand him as he thinks his "take" carries more weight than it does and he is just awful. But how many times can he be in the news before ESPN finally says enough?

I dunno. Dana Jacobson fucked up a few times and they let her hang around for years. Of course, the first strike was being a bigoted Michigan grad.

[Irish#1]

Is this the time Dan Dakich finally gets the pink slip? I personally can't stand him as he thinks his "take" carries more weight than it does and he is just awful. But how many times can he be in the news before ESPN finally says enough?

I listened to Dakich last week for the first time in over a year. Kept it on for about 20 minutes and changed it. Having said that, I read up on the controversy and this is much ado about nothing IMO. "Woke" educators being way too sensitive.

[Irish YJ]

I listened to Dakich last week for the first time in over a year. Kept it on for about 20 minutes and changed it. Having said that, I read up on the controversy and this is much ado about nothing IMO. "Woke" educators being way too sensitive.

Yup. DD is a bag of Summer's Eve, but woke folk shouldn't be surprised when they get into it with shock jocks.

And just in general, fuck ESPN.... and that includes DD. And all the woke folk.