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  • Work's been brutal, but I wanted to hop on because I'm super stoked that Marist is going to ND. This kid is the best player on Punahou's defense, hands down. He was a superior LB, even with Tufono next to him. He has no fear, and he flashes all over the place. The most recent player I would compare him to is Jeremy Ioane. Yes, the hair will automatically remind people of Polamalu.

    From all the games I watched, this year, I'd consider him the third-best defensive player in Hawaii behind Tuitele and Botelho. I tell you this, though, I think Botelho will be the best defensive player to come of out Hawaii since Manti.

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    • If my calculations are correct, Liufau will replace Nolan Smith as the #1 player in the 2019 class on Thanksgiving Day if his current trajectory continues at this pace.

      Rankings on 11-9-18:
      247 Comp: ..... 3* ..... #167 CB ..... #1674 OA ..... .8265 rating
      247: ............... 3* ..... #158 CB ..... #1594 OA ...... 82
      Rivals: ............ 3* ................................................ 5.5
      ESPN: ............. NR

      R&R's - 11-13-18:
      247 Comp: ..... 3* ..... #93 OLB ..... #1243 OA ..... .8416 rating
      247: ............... 3* ..... #70 OLB ..... #967 OA ........ 85
      Rivals: ............ 3* ................................................ 5.5
      ESPN: ............. Zzzzzzz .... Zzzzzzzzz .... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      R&R's today - 11-15 -18:
      247 Comp: ..... 3* ..... #61 OLB ..... #899 OA ..... .8566 rating
      247: ............... 3* ..... #28 OLB ..... #447 OA ...... 88
      Rivals: ............ 3* ............................................... 5.5
      ESPN: ............. 3* ...... #50 OLB .......................... 78

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      • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Notre Dame</a> commit <a href="https://twitter.com/marist_09?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@marist_09</a> named Defensive MVP. <a href="https://twitter.com/alohigilman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@alohigilman</a>&#39;s brother, <a href="https://twitter.com/alakaigilman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@alakaigilman</a>, a junior DB, named to the first team. <a href="https://t.co/M2hwalIxK8">https://t.co/M2hwalIxK8</a></p>&mdash; Eric Hansen (@EHansenNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/EHansenNDI/status/1067659823217590273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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        • Voted his league’s Defensive Player of the Year.

          http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/footb...all-star-team/

          That league has some ringers.

          Congratulations Marist.

          GO IRISH

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          • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s 9 a.m. <br><br>At this moment 19 of Notre Dame’s 21 verbal commitments have signed.<br><br>The two outstanding: cornerback Isaiah Rutherford (California) and safety/linebacker Marist Liufau (Hawaii). No surprises expected with either.</p>&mdash; Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1075390372233269249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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            • Isn't it 4 AM in Hawaii??

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              • Originally posted by brewdog_14527 View Post
                Isn't it 4 AM in Hawaii??
                Pff yeah - he should be on his third coffee by now. Just likes making us sweat.
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                • Originally posted by beryirish View Post
                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s 9 a.m. <br><br>At this moment 19 of Notre Dame’s 21 verbal commitments have signed.<br><br>The two outstanding: cornerback Isaiah Rutherford (California) and safety/linebacker Marist Liufau (Hawaii). No surprises expected with either.</p>&mdash; Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1075390372233269249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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                  This is how you can tell that the coaches have really changed their strategy. We rarely have decommitments and drama these days.

                  Funnier than you in 2012.

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                  • Originally posted by beryirish View Post
                    Pff yeah - he should be on his third coconut by now. Just likes making us sweat.

                    FIFY

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                    • Probably the most fun defensive player's film to watch. I really want to see what a year of technique development and S&C can do for him. Didn't really see any pass coverage in his film, maybe 2 plays in there. But the fact that he's maybe 200 and just tossing the OL around like they're nothing is pretty promising to see
                      “The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.”
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                      • Originally posted by NDLightning35 View Post
                        Probably the most fun defensive player's film to watch. I really want to see what a year of technique development and S&C can do for him. Didn't really see any pass coverage in his film, maybe 2 plays in there. But the fact that he's maybe 200 and just tossing the OL around like they're nothing is pretty promising to see
                        He's a hell of a footballer. He will make a contribution because he understands how to play the game. May take a year of S&C but he could be one of the early guys on ST.

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                        • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Poly tradition carries on! 🤙<br><br>Taping up and ready to fight is <a href="https://twitter.com/marist_09?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@marist_09</a>, joining us from Punahou, HI - the same high school as Manti Te&#39;o.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish </a> ☘️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FightClub19?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Fig htClub19</a> <a href="https://t.co/aSUavWO9xi">pic.twitter.com/aSUavWO9xi</a></p>&mdash; Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1075439567677857792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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                          • So it looks like Liufau might be taking a gray shirt

                            <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite a rumor going around, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Notre Dame</a> linebacker Marist Liufau made it clear today to <a href="https://twitter.com/bangulo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bangulo</a> that he signed his NLI on Dec. 19 for many reasons and no matter when the time comes, he only wants to play college ball for the Fighting Irish. <a href="https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd">https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd</a><a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@247Sports</a> <a href="https://t.co/swt7oM47kN">pic.twitter.com/swt7oM47kN</a></p>&mdash; Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/1086083994133909506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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                            Honestly, really surprised at the turn in recruiting this last cycle with us giving a gray shirt and potentially having Bertrand walk on all while still out recruiting kids.
                            Last edited by SouthSideChiDomer; 01-17-2019, 09:21 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by SouthSideChiDomer View Post
                              So it looks like Liufau might be taking a gray shirt

                              <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite a rumor going around, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Notre Dame</a> linebacker Marist Liufau made it clear today to <a href="https://twitter.com/bangulo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bangulo</a> that he signed his NLI on Dec. 19 for many reasons and no matter when the time comes, he only wants to play college ball for the Fighting Irish. <a href="https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd">https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd</a><a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@247Sports</a> <a href="https://t.co/swt7oM47kN">pic.twitter.com/swt7oM47kN</a></p>&mdash; Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/1086083994133909506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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                              Honestly, really surprised at the turn in recruiting this last cycle with us giving a gray shirt and potentially having Bertrand walk on all while still out recruiting kids.
                              They probably are finally starting to realize this is the only way to close the gap on the elite programs.

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                              • So what does that do for.scholly numbers?

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                                • per the article, it sounds like ND was very open and honest up front. sounds similar to JD's situation.

                                  now that we are officially full blown grey shirting.. can we please take Jucos now?
                                  no italics.
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                                  Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                  • Originally posted by NDIrish88 View Post
                                    So what does that do for.scholly numbers?
                                    86 with Bertrand as a walk on
                                    87 with Bertrand on scholarship

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                                    • Originally posted by SouthSideChiDomer View Post
                                      86 with Bertrand as a walk on
                                      87 with Bertrand on scholarship
                                      With or without Foskey and Turner?

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                                      • Originally posted by dad4aa View Post
                                        With or without Foskey and Turner?
                                        Without

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                                        • Starting to play the cfb game. When we start processing the likes of Darnell Ewells, ND will be full blown.
                                          Prehistoric

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                                          • At least we told him we might screw him over. That’s something, I guess.
                                            "The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood." - Lou Holtz

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                                            • Originally posted by SouthSideChiDomer View Post
                                              86 with Bertrand as a walk on
                                              87 with Bertrand on scholarship
                                              My understanding is Bertrand is on academic scholarship so he shouldn’t count vs 85.

                                              Gotta believe seniors like McKinley & Studstill who have been passed up by underclassmen will grad-transfer. According to II, Studstill had to be talked in to returning in 2018 so surely he’ll grad-transfer now.

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                                              • I have zero worries on ND getting to 85. Don’t want to jinx it but y’all know what usually happens in the off—season. We are overdue by ND standards.

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                                                • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                  My understanding is Bertrand is on academic scholarship so he shouldn’t count vs 85.

                                                  Gotta believe seniors like McKinley & Studstill who have been passed up by underclassmen will grad-transfer. According to II, Studstill had to be talked in to returning in 2018 so surely he’ll grad-transfer now.
                                                  What scholarship did he get, or are you thinking of Kiser? It would be awesome if Bertrand was on an academic so we didn't have to worry about that scholly.

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                                                  • Originally posted by NDRock View Post
                                                    At least we told him we might screw him over. That’s something, I guess.
                                                    It's not possible for them to screw him over since they're being honest. He could've simply chose another school if he had an issue with it.
                                                    Last edited by TP81989; 01-17-2019, 11:57 PM.

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                                                    • Has there ever been a 5 star greyshirt?

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                                                      • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                        My understanding is Bertrand is on academic scholarship so he shouldn’t count vs 85.

                                                        Gotta believe seniors like McKinley & Studstill who have been passed up by underclassmen will grad-transfer. According to II, Studstill had to be talked in to returning in 2018 so surely he’ll grad-transfer now.
                                                        It doesn't work like that, he can't take an academic scholarship without it counting as a football scholarship. This has been this way for a good long time now because it would get abused to the enth degree. It goes goes for other sport scholarships as well as because football and basketball programs can't take scholarship players from other sports without it also counting against there scholarship numbers as well. These crooked schools would be giving out table tennis scholarships and other such programs just to allow them to walkon to the football and basketball teams.

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                                                        • Originally posted by Ricochet View Post
                                                          It doesn't work like that, he can't take an academic scholarship without it counting as a football scholarship. This has been this way for a good long time now because it would get abused to the enth degree. It goes goes for other sport scholarships as well as because football and basketball programs can't take scholarship players from other sports without it also counting against there scholarship numbers as well. These crooked schools would be giving out table tennis scholarships and other such programs just to allow them to walkon to the football and basketball teams.
                                                          yeah, I wonder how closely greyshirts are scrutinised by the NCAA?

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                                                          • Originally posted by Ricochet View Post
                                                            It doesn't work like that, he can't take an academic scholarship without it counting as a football scholarship. This has been this way for a good long time now because it would get abused to the enth degree. It goes goes for other sport scholarships as well as because football and basketball programs can't take scholarship players from other sports without it also counting against there scholarship numbers as well. These crooked schools would be giving out table tennis scholarships and other such programs just to allow them to walkon to the football and basketball teams.
                                                            There are situations he could take an academic scholarship and have it not count. Go look back at Kiser's thread, we were talking about it in there. And with Bertrand it would be even easier because he didn't take an official and the coaches didn't have off campus contact I don't think, so he technically doesn't count as a recruited student athlete.

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                                                            • And apparently he’s been playing extremely well at the Poly Bowl. I think he’s a future impact player so as long as he at ND, I’m all good.

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                                                              • the staff was upfront with him during the process and didn't wait until a week before signing day to tell him likes some other schools. PERFECTLY fine with this! just weird since i hadn't heard a peep about this during his recruitment
                                                                EMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE

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                                                                • There is always room.

                                                                  Bertrand and Liufau will both be on scholarship by the time ND opens at Louisville, and ND will be at 83 scholarship players.

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                                                                  • Great, we're a football factory now - NDNation

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                                                                    • Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                                                                      the staff was upfront with him during the process and didn't wait until a week before signing day to tell him likes some other schools. PERFECTLY fine with this! just weird since i hadn't heard a peep about this during his recruitment
                                                                      Although it does make a ton of sense because all the news about Liufau came out after we found out Bertrand was a greyshirt. So taking Liufau as a scholarship player when we already knew the deal with Bertrand was puzzling to me.

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                                                                      • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                        Has there ever been a 5 star greyshirt?
                                                                        Jarez Parks was high 4 IIRC

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                                                                        • Originally posted by T-Boone View Post
                                                                          Has there ever been a 5 star greyshirt?
                                                                          I'll bet Bama has had some due to grades.

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                                                                          • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                                                                            Starting to play the cfb game. When we start processing the likes of Darnell Ewells, ND will be full blown.
                                                                            I know we don't like to make distinctions ;), but the reality is that ND offers a Top 20 education (which means something in a country with +300M people), and costs around $60K per year--i.e., aprox. $250,000.00. ND is excellent training and taps you into an outstanding, fairly unique, alumni network.

                                                                            For the 99.9% of non-football players, getting into Notre Dame without a scholarship is a HUGE deal. It is a real question for most kids whether it is better to pay the money to go to a school like ND then to, say, go to Alabama or USF on a full ride. Many, many, many kids, especially those with means, choose the better school and suck up the debt. Many think that is generally a reasonable, or even smart move.

                                                                            Long story short. If ND (or Duke, Northwestern, UVA, Stanford, Michigan, USC, or other eleite schools) start saying you can come here, roll the dice that you may have to pay one year, but then be on scholarship if you justify your spot on the practice field--but you will still be enrolled at one of the best schools in the country if you don't. . . . that is not a bad deal! In fact, its what a lot of academic scholarships looks like.

                                                                            This is not equivalent to saying, you can come here to SEC U, roll the dice that you may have to pay one year, and then you'll be on scholarship if you justify your spot, and BTW as far as we're concerned, your education is going to consistent 100% of checking off minimum requirements. It's like comparing an unpaid internship at Goldman Sachs with a paid intership at a local bank, and only focusing on the "unpaid" aspect.

                                                                            Even, so. It sounds like ND is really saying, you can come here, roll the dice that you may have to pay one year, but then you'll have 3-4 years of scholarship to earn a degree from of the best schools in the country. That is an excellent deal.

                                                                            We get so used to treating these football players like they are a special class, that we forget how hard it is to get into an elite university.
                                                                            Last edited by Domina Nostra; 01-18-2019, 09:35 AM.

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                                                                            • Originally posted by Domina Nostra View Post
                                                                              I know we don't like to make distinctions ;), but the reality is that ND offers a Top 20 education (which means something in a country with +300M people), and costs around $60K per year--i.e., aprox. $250,000.00. ND is excellent training and taps you into an outstanding, fairly unique, alumni network.

                                                                              For the 99.9% of non-football players, getting into Notre Dame without a scholarship is a HUGE deal. It is a real question for most kids whether it is better to pay the money to go to a school like ND then to, say, go to Alabama or USF on a full ride. Many, many, many kids, especially those with means, choose the better school and suck up the debt. Many think that is generally a reasonable, or even smart move.

                                                                              Long story short. If ND (or Duke, Northwestern, UVA, Stanford, Michigan, USC, or other eleite schools) start saying you can come here, roll the dice that you may have to pay one year, but then be on scholarship if you justify your spot on the practice field--but you will still be enrolled at one of the best schools in the country if you don't. . . . that is not a bad deal! In fact, its what a lot of academic scholarships looks like.

                                                                              This is not equivalent to saying, you can come here to SEC U, roll the dice that you may have to pay one year, and then you'll be on scholarship if you justify your spot, and BTW as far as we're concerned, your education is going to consistent 100% of checking off minimum requirements. It's like comparing an unpaid internship at Goldman Sachs with a paid intership at a local bank, and only focusing on the "unpaid" aspect.

                                                                              Even, so. It sounds like ND is really saying, you can come here, roll the dice that you may have to pay one year, but then you'll have 3-4 years of scholarship to earn a degree from of the best schools in the country. That is an excellent deal.

                                                                              We get so used to treating these football players like they are a special class, that we forget how hard it is to get into an elite university.
                                                                              I'm pretty sure that because Liufau signed an LOI, he can't enroll unless he is on scholarship, so if he is going to take a gray shirt it will mean he just waits until the spring semester to enroll.

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                                                                              • Originally posted by Ricochet View Post
                                                                                It doesn't work like that, he can't take an academic scholarship without it counting as a football scholarship. This has been this way for a good long time now because it would get abused to the enth degree. It goes goes for other sport scholarships as well as because football and basketball programs can't take scholarship players from other sports without it also counting against there scholarship numbers as well. These crooked schools would be giving out table tennis scholarships and other such programs just to allow them to walkon to the football and basketball teams.
                                                                                It might in the case of Bertrand because he never officially visited the school. They were unofficial s so he might be able to be granted a scholarship or financial aid of some sort. But not entirely sure of the rules here.
                                                                                Love Thee Notre Dame!

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                                                                                • Using your athletics to get in to a better school than you might have otherwise is the RIGHT way to use athletics.

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                                                                                  • The issue with gray shirting was always people being told the night before signing day or after they were ready to enroll that a scholarship was not available. That was the ethical problem, and there are lots of examples of it.

                                                                                    The issue with gray shirting was not the idea that someone could enroll for the spring semester instead of the fall if they really wanted to be at that school.

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by SouthSideChiDomer View Post
                                                                                      I'm pretty sure that because Liufau signed an LOI, he can't enroll unless he is on scholarship, so if he is going to take a gray shirt it will mean he just waits until the spring semester to enroll.
                                                                                      This.

                                                                                      Wonder if he does a year of prep school or just sits in Gilman Sr.'s incubator on Oahu? I'd enroll at Holy Cross and accidentally bump into Balis every morning in the gym but that's just me.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by BabyIrish View Post
                                                                                        It might in the case of Bertrand because he never officially visited the school. They were unofficial s so he might be able to be granted a scholarship or financial aid of some sort. But not entirely sure of the rules here.
                                                                                        The rules are simple, one can't be on a scholarship of any kind and walk-on to the football or basketball program without it counting against there athletic scholarship rules and limitations. Otherwise it would be abused to the extreme. Just think about it, why would ND give out an athletic scholarship to there best student athletes on the football team when they could skirt around the 85 limit by giving them academic scholarship.

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by Ricochet View Post
                                                                                          The rules are simple, one can't be on a scholarship of any kind and walk-on to the football or basketball program without it counting against there athletic scholarship rules and limitations. Otherwise it would be abused to the extreme. Just think about it, why would ND give out an athletic scholarship to there best student athletes on the football team when they could skirt around the 85 limit by giving them academic scholarship.
                                                                                          I just reread the Pete Sampson article about Bertrand. Because he never officially visited, and because Brian Kelly never went in-home, he can be classified as a regular student rather than a recruited prospect, opening the door for an academic scholarship, according to the article.
                                                                                          Love Thee Notre Dame!

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by BabyIrish View Post
                                                                                            I just reread the Pete Sampson article about Bertrand. Because he never officially visited, and because Brian Kelly never went in-home, he can be classified as a regular student rather than a recruited prospect, opening the door for an academic scholarship, according to the article.
                                                                                            I'm assuming you meant normal "need based" financial aid. An academic scholarship would result in him being a counter as soon as he steps on the playing field.

                                                                                            I would also be very surprised that he would get one of the very very limited academic scholarships that ND hands out. Almost all financial aid at Notre Dame is need based.

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                                                                                            • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                              I'm assuming you meant normal "need based" financial aid. An academic scholarship would result in him being a counter as soon as he steps on the playing field.

                                                                                              I would also be very surprised that he would get one of the very very limited academic scholarships that ND hands out. Almost all financial aid at Notre Dame is need based.
                                                                                              I don't think it would. We went over it in the Kiser thread. If the academic scholarship is an established academic scholarship that does not restrict the school a player can choose and is not based on athletics then the player can be counted as a walk on.

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by SouthSideChiDomer View Post
                                                                                                I don't think it would. We went over it in the Kiser thread. If the academic scholarship is an established academic scholarship that does not restrict the school a player can choose and is not based on athletics then the player can be counted as a walk on.
                                                                                                NO. If the academic scholarship is from the school itself, that is a non-starter. Kiser's situation fits into a very narrow exception where it's an outside academic scholarship that fits into very specific terms. Again, if the academic scholarship comes from the school itself, he is a counter as soon as he hits the playing field. If Bertrand has access to some outside scholarship that fits into the narrow exception, then he would be fine.

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                                                                                                • <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No, he isn&#39;t. Don&#39;t believe everything you read. It&#39;s being discussed on the board at BGI. Check it out. <a href="https://t.co/KOySl6HL2W">https://t.co/KOySl6HL2W</a></p>&mdash; Bryan Driskell (@BGI_CoachD) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_CoachD/status/1086283368151638016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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                                                                                                  Anyone with BGI know what Driskell means?

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                                                                                                  • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                                    NO. If the academic scholarship is from the school itself, that is a non-starter. Kiser's situation fits into a very narrow exception where it's an outside academic scholarship that fits into very specific terms. Again, if the academic scholarship comes from the school itself, he is a counter as soon as he hits the playing field. If Bertrand has access to some outside scholarship that fits into the narrow exception, then he would be fine.
                                                                                                    15.5 Maximum Institutional Grant-in-Aid Limitations by Sport.
                                                                                                    15.5.1 Counters. A student-athlete shall be a counter and included in the maximum awards limitations set
                                                                                                    forth in this bylaw under the following conditions: (Revised: 6/10/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
                                                                                                    (a) Athletics Aid. A student-athlete who receives financial aid based in any degree on athletics ability shall become a counter for the year during which the student-athlete receives the financial aid;
                                                                                                    15.5.1.1 Football or Basketball, Varsity Competition. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who
                                                                                                    was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.9) by the awarding institution and who receives institutional financial aid (as set
                                                                                                    forth in Bylaw 15.02.5.2) granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability does not have to be counted
                                                                                                    until the student-athlete engages in varsity intercollegiate competition (as opposed to freshman, B-team, subvarsity, intramural or club competition) in those sports. (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 6/20/04, 1/15/11
                                                                                                    effective 8/1/11, 1/18/14 effective 8/1/14)
                                                                                                    15.5.1.1.1 Exception—Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only. In football or basketball, a
                                                                                                    student-athlete who was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.9) by the awarding institution and whose only source
                                                                                                    of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient’s academic record at the certifying
                                                                                                    institution, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all
                                                                                                    such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution’s financial aid team
                                                                                                    limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.000 (on a 4.000 scale) at the
                                                                                                    certifying institution. (Adopted: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)


                                                                                                    So I guess it matters what "compete" means. If it just means playing in games, then if he takes a true redshirt and is able to maintain a 3.0 GPA then he isn't a counter. But that doesn't even matter because Bertrant doesn't count as a recruited student athlete which these above rules govern because he wouldn't satisfy 15.5.1 (a). You might be thinking he falls more into this category as a non-recruited student athlete:

                                                                                                    15.5.6.3.3 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid During First
                                                                                                    Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.9) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice during
                                                                                                    the first year of enrollment becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next
                                                                                                    academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received.
                                                                                                    (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)

                                                                                                    ...but if he is receiving an academic scholarship with no basis on athletic ability, then he doesn't satisfy the bolded portion. In that case, it would be more appropriate to reference this portion:

                                                                                                    15.02.5 Financial Aid. “Financial aid” is funds provided to student-athletes from various sources to pay or
                                                                                                    assist in paying their cost of education at the institution. As used in NCAA legislation, “financial aid” includes all
                                                                                                    institutional financial aid and other permissible financial aid as set forth below. (See Bylaws 15.01.6.1, 16.2, 16.3
                                                                                                    and 16.4.) (Revised: 5/26/09)
                                                                                                    15.02.5.1 Athletically Related Financial Aid. Athletically related financial aid is financial aid that is
                                                                                                    awarded on any basis that is related to athletics ability, participation or achievement. If an application process
                                                                                                    specifically requests athletics participation or achievements as criteria for consideration in determining whether
                                                                                                    an applicant receives financial aid, aid received pursuant to such a process is athletically related financial aid.
                                                                                                    (Adopted: 1/18/14 effective 8/1/14)

                                                                                                    15.02.5.2 Institutional Financial Aid. The following sources of financial aid are considered to be institutional financial aid: (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 10/31/02
                                                                                                    effective 8/1/03, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
                                                                                                    (a) All funds administered by the institution, which include but are not limited to the following:
                                                                                                    (1) Scholarships;
                                                                                                    (2) Grants;
                                                                                                    (3) Tuition waivers;
                                                                                                    (4) Employee dependent tuition benefits, unless the employee has been employed as a full-time faculty/
                                                                                                    staff member for a minimum of five years; and
                                                                                                    (5) Loans.
                                                                                                    (b) Aid from government or private sources for which the institution is responsible for selecting the recipient or determining the amount of aid, or providing matching or supplementary funds for a previously
                                                                                                    determined recipient.

                                                                                                    15.02.5.3 Other Permissible Financial Aid. The following sources of financial aid are also permitted: (Adopted: 1/10/95 effective 8/1/95, Revised: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
                                                                                                    (a) Financial aid received from anyone upon whom the student-athlete is naturally or legally dependent;
                                                                                                    (b) Financial aid awarded solely on bases having no relationship to athletics ability;
                                                                                                    (c) Financial aid awarded through an established and continuing outside program as outlined in Bylaw
                                                                                                    15.2.6.3; and
                                                                                                    (d) Educational expenses awarded by the U.S. Olympic Committee, which count against an institution’s
                                                                                                    sport-by-sport financial aid limitations and against the individual’s maximum limit on financial aid.

                                                                                                    15.02.5.4 Exempted Institutional Financial Aid. The following institutional financial aid is exempt and
                                                                                                    is not counted in determining the institution’s financial aid limitations: (Revised: 1/10/91, 1/10/92, 4/25/02,
                                                                                                    10/31/02 effective 8/1/03, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17)
                                                                                                    (a) An honorary award for outstanding academic achievement or an established institutional research grant
                                                                                                    that meets the criteria set forth in Bylaw 15.02.7 (and must be included in determining if the student athlete’s cost of attendance has been met);

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by NDCrusader View Post
                                                                                                      This.

                                                                                                      Wonder if he does a year of prep school or just sits in Gilman Sr.'s incubator on Oahu? I'd enroll at Holy Cross and accidentally bump into Balis every morning in the gym but that's just me.
                                                                                                      You have to be in college for a year before ND would let you transfer. It's a good idea but it wouldn't get past admissions.

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