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  • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
    Russia interfered in 2016 to help Trump get elected, that's all I was pointing out to you.

    Do you agree?
    Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post

    The CIA is refusing to cooperate with the GOP-led investigation because Ron Johnson is considered toxic to put it kindly, the IC believes its a political hit job on Biden (because it is), and the CIA doesn't want to release sensitive information pertaining to election interference for a sham investigation.

    In other words, the CIA won't share info with Ron Johnson & Company so they can go run to Putin and help Trump win the election.
    Your mind is in outer space.

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    • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
      Your mind is in outer space.
      Those are two separate thoughts and investigations. Can you answer my question? Did Russia interfere in 2016 to benefit Trump?

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      • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
        Those are two separate thoughts and investigations. Can you answer my question? Did Russia interfere in 2016 to benefit Trump?
        Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post

        Yes, some Russian trolls bought Hillary ads on Facebook. We know this.
        ^^ I've already said this.

        What basis do you have for suggesting that Trump and/or the GOP would collude with Russia to get Trump elected.

        Also, tell me more about this CIA not sharing info with "Ron Johnson & Company" for concerns about Putin and 2020 election interference to benefit Trump.

        I'd love to know how deep this rabbit hole goes. This is some deliciously insane shit.

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        • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
          ^^ I've already said this.

          What basis do you have for suggesting that Trump and/or the GOP would collude with Russia to get Trump elected.
          Where did I say that Trump colluded? You stated: "Like the Russians helped Trump in 2016?"

          That signifies you don't think Russia helped Trump, but they did.

          What you're doing, which is common among MAGA types, is conflating Russia helping Trump with evidence that also means Trump colluded with Russia. So when you say it's "all a complete utter fabrication" you're saying that in hopes of dismissing Russian interference in general.

          Also, tell me more about this CIA not sharing info with "Ron Johnson & Company" for concerns about Putin and 2020 election interference to benefit Trump.

          I'd love to know how deep this rabbit hole goes. This is some deliciously insane shit.
          You have such a boner of Hunter Biden, I'm surprised you're not on top of this?

          The Senate Republicans are currently investigating Joe and Hunter Biden in Ukraine. As I've covered extensively in my posting here on the topic it's an empty investigation going nowhere being done by a Trump lackey (Ron Johnson) for express purposes of smearing Biden for the election.

          Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee have asked the CIA to join in on the probe.

          The CIA has said no. Why?

          They don't trust the Republicans running the investigation, especially Johnson. Politico has been doing a really good job keeping up on this reporting. A couple weeks ago they reported a Ukrainian lawmaker with ties to the Kremlin has been feeding info to Johnson & Co. about Biden. Johnson & Co. have denied this.

          Other key quotes from a couple other stories:

          Some intelligence officials similarly fear the Biden probe will only boost the Russian intervention. And while the motivations of the CIA are not certain, Johnson is considered “toxic” by some members of the intelligence community, according to people with direct knowledge of the dynamic.

          The agency's reluctance to engage with the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which Johnson chairs, underscores the intelligence community’s doubts about the probe. And while it is unlikely to deter Johnson from moving forward, it could give Democrats more support as they seek to rebut Trump and GOP allegations that Biden is corrupt.

          Last month, the group [Democratic congressional members on the intelligence committee] demanded a briefing for all members of Congress focused on foreign interference in the 2020 election, based on their assertions that lawmakers are being targeted by those meddling efforts. They also have urged the Trump administration to publicly reveal additional information about the nature of the foreign-influence campaign. Intelligence officials told House lawmakers last week that the Russians are seeking to boost President Donald Trump in the 2020 campaign.
          Hope that helps clear things up for you.

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          • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
            Where did I say that Trump colluded? You stated: "Like the Russians helped Trump in 2016?"

            That signifies you don't think Russia helped Trump, but they did.

            What you're doing, which is common among MAGA types, is conflating Russia helping Trump with evidence that also means Trump colluded with Russia. So when you say it's "all a complete utter fabrication" you're saying that in hopes of dismissing Russian interference in general.



            You have such a boner of Hunter Biden, I'm surprised you're not on top of this?

            The Senate Republicans are currently investigating Joe and Hunter Biden in Ukraine. As I've covered extensively in my posting here on the topic it's an empty investigation going nowhere being done by a Trump lackey (Ron Johnson) for express purposes of smearing Biden for the election.

            Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee have asked the CIA to join in on the probe.

            The CIA has said no. Why?

            They don't trust the Republicans running the investigation, especially Johnson. Politico has been doing a really good job keeping up on this reporting. A couple weeks ago they reported a Ukrainian lawmaker with ties to the Kremlin has been feeding info to Johnson & Co. about Biden. Johnson & Co. have denied this.


            Other key quotes from a couple other stories:



            Hope that helps clear things up for you.
            You're the one suggesting that Trump would get help in 2020, not me. I asked what basis you have for this, and you've provided none.

            All of THIS you just made up. This is literally a conspiracy theory, with no evidence, that you just created.

            Hunter Biden is an empty investigation? Why's that?

            Crack head, criminal, with no relevant work experience pulls down $1M a year as a board member of an absurdly corrupt Ukrainian gas company? Dude even went on national TV and said none of this would have happened if he wasn't a Biden.

            Seems legit.

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            • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
              You're the one suggesting that Trump would get help in 2020, not me.
              The intelligence community of the United States, not me.

              Hunter Biden is an empty investigation? Why's that?

              Crack head, criminal, with no relevant work experience pulls down $1M a year as a board member of an absurdly corrupt Ukrainian gas company? Dude even went on national TV and said none of this would have happened if he wasn't a Biden.

              Seems legit.
              I've covered Biden & Ukraine extensively. You're willfully obtuse and manipulative on the subject. If I haven't changed your mind yet it ain't happening. We don't need to waste our time.

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              • CIA doesn't answer to Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and that's a good thing? Swampy.

                Ron Johnson is not a career politician, thus can't be trusted. #swamplogic

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                • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
                  The intelligence community of the United States, not me.



                  I've covered Biden & Ukraine extensively. You're willfully obtuse and manipulative on the subject. If I haven't changed your mind yet it ain't happening. We don't need to waste our time.
                  LOL.... Hunter Biden is literally a crackhead that impregnated a stripper and then wouldn't disclose his financials to pay child support.

                  You're out of your mind if you think he's just a good kid doin' God's work.

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                  • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                    LOL.... Hunter Biden is literally a crackhead that impregnated a stripper and then wouldn't disclose his financials to pay child support.

                    You're out of your mind if you think he's just a good kid doin' God's work.
                    Hunter Biden & Roger Clinton should open a consulting firm for other POTUS relatives who want to cash in on their political ties. What a couple of scumbags.

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                    • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                      Hunter Biden & Roger Clinton should open a consulting firm for other POTUS relatives who want to cash in on their political ties. What a couple of scumbags.
                      Remember when Bill Clinton pardoned his cocaine dealing brother and nobody gave a shit? Insane. Then they voted for his wife and held Trump up as being corrupt, even though her entire career is riddle with corruption?

                      Fuck these people. They play for the Democrat team and they'll never be rational.

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                      • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                        LOL.... Hunter Biden is literally a crackhead that impregnated a stripper and then wouldn't disclose his financials to pay child support.

                        You're out of your mind if you think he's just a good kid doin' God's work.
                        she was hot though
                        EMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE

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                        • Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                          she was hot though
                          The funny thing about that is apparently Hunter was smoking crack and getting dildo'd in the ass during that encounter. Epic.

                          Board material FOR SURE.

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                          • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                            I would let this play out and not overreact, but that's JMO. You'll have to move to the country, because most other cities are in the same predicament.



                            I doubt it.
                            Columbus, IN is close to work but I need to be able to get to the airport too. So we're thinking Franklin area-ish...

                            Sad but true. Sheep.

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                            • Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                              she was hot though
                              That's all that matters!

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                              • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                I hope you’re right but I just see the middle class in America being squeezed out of the big metro areas and fear it’s spreading to the smaller states. I’m willing to bet it won’t get better under President Biden so that we can agree on.
                                There isn't any debate. It's stone cold fact.

                                To further my point I have/had a $1.75 wage increase already approved effective 7/1. Oops, COVID hit and now this nonsense... My client - let's hold off until January 2021 because we need to see how things shake out.

                                If that doesn't speak the truth/impact of it all then I don't know what will. Someone help me understand a different view point, please.

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                                • Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                                  she was hot though
                                  And wasn’t she from Arkansas? Add this to the Clinton conspiracy theories

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                                  • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                    LOL.... Hunter Biden is literally a crackhead that impregnated a stripper and then wouldn't disclose his financials to pay child support.

                                    You're out of your mind if you think he's just a good kid doin' God's work.
                                    Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                                    she was hot though
                                    Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                    That's all that matters!
                                    Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                    And wasn’t she from Arkansas? Add this to the Clinton conspiracy theories

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                                    • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                      LOL.... Hunter Biden is literally a crackhead that impregnated a stripper and then wouldn't disclose his financials to pay child support.
                                      Hunter and David Dennison seem to have much of common.

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                                      • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                        Remember when Bill Clinton pardoned his cocaine dealing brother and nobody gave a shit? Insane. Then they voted for his wife and held Trump up as being corrupt, even though her entire career is riddle with corruption?

                                        Fuck these people. They play for the Democrat team and they'll never be rational.
                                        What’s your point?

                                        People with large amounts of power tend to be hypocrites and assholes?

                                        If so, I agree.
                                        Last edited by Bluto; 08-07-2020, 09:16 PM.

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                                        • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                                          What’s your point?

                                          People with large amounts of power tend to be hypocrites and assholes?

                                          If so, I agree.
                                          Your first mistake was assuming anyone in this thread has a point,...
                                          This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                          • Originally posted by ACamp1900 View Post
                                            Your first mistake was assuming anyone in this WORLD has a point,...

                                            FIFY....
                                            I was smarter when I drank...
                                            I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                            • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                              Remember when Bill Clinton pardoned his cocaine dealing brother and nobody gave a shit? Insane. Then they voted for his wife and held Trump up as being corrupt, even though her entire career is riddle with corruption?

                                              Fuck these people. They play for the Democrat team and they'll never be rational.
                                              I remember. I also found out Bill was a real Coke head. I've experimented with many drugs. I've never run a country tho.... It's pretty hilarious If ya open up your mind and see the cocaine nose Bill had in the 90's...
                                              Cocaine Clinton was his name in the Ark. community that he had while Governor.
                                              I was smarter when I drank...
                                              I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                              • Originally posted by ACamp1900 View Post
                                                Your first mistake was assuming anyone in this thread has a point,...
                                                Point taken....wait....

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                                                • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                  You'd understand how taxes work if you didn't let the wife prep the return every year. Try it out, you'll be able to understand so much more of the world when you do.
                                                  Haha. I'm not an accountant but I do work at a CPA firm, and you provided a few laughs at the office yesterday. Happy to tell people my lady passed the bar exam and is smarter than me, too.

                                                  Try letting go of pretending to be the smartest guy in every room and you might learn something.
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                                                  The yellow mustard pants are hideous and have to go.

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                                                  • Originally posted by Bluto View Post
                                                    What’s your point?

                                                    People with large amounts of power tend to be hypocrites and assholes?

                                                    If so, I agree.
                                                    My point is that Hunter Biden is a piece of shit, obviously. Fleshrocket89 said investigating him was silly.

                                                    Also, I agree with your general sentiments. "Absolute power corrupts, absolutely."

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                                                    • I am not politically knowledgeable and never claimed to be. I have nothing in common with anyone that winds up in Washington DC or has been there for awhile. I get up and go to work every day no matter who is in office. It doesn't matter what party is in office. It hasn't changed my life one bit in 57 years. Except maybe the health care act. The small business I work for decided not to deal with health care anymore when that passed. I am not sure why. I had Obama care for awhile but it got expensive and covered very little.
                                                      Anyway, let me get this straight. We are battling a socialist movement and Trump is the main leader of that movement to fight socialism. However, the socialist/communist country, Russia, has interfered with the election thus getting Trump elected? The country has a racist problem but yet there many different races and religions represented in Washington?

                                                      Call me stupid but I think people just like to bitch and people on social media and media in general are competing to see who can put the most ridiculous crap out there.
                                                      Plus people get hurt and offended awfully easy now. God help this country if it needs to protect itself in a decade or so from a real enemy. Screaming and protesting isn't going to protect you.. They are out there waiting.

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                                                      • Director of United States National Counterintelligence & Security Center, William Evanina, in a statement yesterday:

                                                        We assess that Russia is using a range of measures to primarily denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as an anti-Russia “establishment.” This is consistent with Moscow’s public criticism of him when he was Vice President for his role in the Obama Administration’s policies on Ukraine and its support for the anti-Putin opposition inside Russia. For example, pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption – including through publicizing leaked phone calls – to undermine former Vice President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party. Some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump’s candidacy on social media and Russian television.
                                                        https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsro...merican-public

                                                        Rudy Giuliani has been working closely with Derkach, a former KGB spy, and 3 other disgraced Ukrainian lawmakers.

                                                        The four Ukrainian operatives certainly are not held in high repute in their home country.

                                                        “They [Derkach et al] can’t be trusted, as they are pursuing their own agenda and using all sorts of lies and manipulations for that,” Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, told BuzzFeed News about the Ukrainians.

                                                        Volodymyr Yermolenko, chief editor of the news site Ukraine World and director for analysis at Internews Ukraine, a media-focused nongovernmental organization, described the four men as “dubious personalities” and “certainly not idealists trying to unmask corruption.”
                                                        The 4 operatives are waiting to release more recordings from Biden's talks in Ukraine.

                                                        So far, the recordings have done nothing to substantiate, let alone advance, the accusations from Trump, Giuliani, and Republicans of Biden corruption in Ukraine.
                                                        More from Buzzfeed last month on the manipulation from Giuliani & his henchmen:

                                                        Most of what Biden says in the recordings mirrors what he has previously said publicly, including that he threatened to withhold crucial loan guarantees from Ukraine unless Poroshenko fired his close ally and then–prosecutor general Viktor Shokin.

                                                        Shokin was widely viewed in Kyiv and by international observers as an impediment to democratic reforms. His removal was in line with long-standing US policy toward Ukraine, as well as that of EU allies.

                                                        Moreover, two former Ukrainian prosecutors general — including Yuriy Lutsenko, who cozied up to Giuliani while he hunted for dirt on the Bidens last year and was a central figure in the Trump impeachment saga — have said they never found any evidence of wrongdoing on the parts of the Bidens in Ukraine while investigating and reviewing cases associated with Burisma.

                                                        “It’s basically a mountain of lies and innuendo being disguised as due diligence,” Nina Jankowicz, a disinformation expert focused on Russia and Ukraine, told BuzzFeed news about the accusations drawn from the recordings.
                                                        https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-smear-efforts

                                                        New York Magazine was one of several outlets to publish stories yesterday after Evanina's announcement:

                                                        Meanwhile, Senate Republicans on the Homeland Security Committee are holding hearings in an attempt to substantiate this charge — or, more realistically, to insinuate it. They have produced no evidence to advance their charge. The Russians have given Republicans stolen tapes of secret conversations Biden held with Ukrainians during his tenure as vice-president, and pro-Trump media outlets have hyped up the material, but nothing they have is inconsistent with the narrative that mainstream news organizations found. Biden was working to clean up Ukraine.

                                                        There is hardly any secret to what they’re up to. Johnson says he plans to release his report on Biden in September. It hardly matters if the information Russia gives him actually substantiates his allegations, or even whether it is authentic. The obvious plan is to splash some headlines into news screens in the heat of the campaign that seem to connect Biden to some kind of wrongdoing.

                                                        In reality, it is not a scandal about Biden at all. It’s a scandal about Republican cooperation with a Russian propaganda campaign.

                                                        What makes Evanina’s statement on Friday so significant is that it makes clear that the passing of information, real or otherwise, from various Ukrainian figures to various Trump allies is part of a Russian-directed scheme to help Trump win. Republicans could tell Russia that Russian-controlled media are free to say anything they want, but Republicans aren’t going to launder their propaganda for them. Instead, they are doing everything in their power to exploit it.
                                                        Hunter Biden is a loser but this "investigation" is going absolutely nowhere. Best of luck in eating this pile of BS, I'm actually excited to see how hard this flops for Trump. Can't wait.

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                                                        • Thank God Our President did this at this time.

                                                          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...elief-n1236202
                                                          I was smarter when I drank...
                                                          I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                                          • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
                                                            Director of United States National Counterintelligence & Security Center, William Evanina, in a statement yesterday:



                                                            https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsro...merican-public

                                                            Rudy Giuliani has been working closely with Derkach, a former KGB spy, and 3 other disgraced Ukrainian lawmakers.



                                                            The 4 operatives are waiting to release more recordings from Biden's talks in Ukraine.



                                                            More from Buzzfeed last month on the manipulation from Giuliani & his henchmen:



                                                            https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-smear-efforts

                                                            New York Magazine was one of several outlets to publish stories yesterday after Evanina's announcement:



                                                            Hunter Biden is a loser but this "investigation" is going absolutely nowhere. Best of luck in eating this pile of BS, I'm actually excited to see how hard this flops for Trump. Can't wait.
                                                            Bob Mueller says hi.

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                                                            • Am I getting a $1,200 Check or not?

                                                              I have a 100+ job openings right now, so please don’t tell me that unemployment nonsense was extended,,,,

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                                                              • I hope we all get a million. Then, We all could be happy and mad at the exact same time...

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                                                                Last edited by Circa; 08-09-2020, 01:12 AM.
                                                                I was smarter when I drank...
                                                                I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                                                • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                  Bob Mueller says hi.
                                                                  It's insane that any libs are still hanging onto the "Trump/Putin" thing when they didn't care about Barry O's hot mic with Vlad

                                                                  I want to thank Demz for teaching me Russians aren't as bad as they are cracked up to be. After all... the 80's called....
                                                                  Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                                                  • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                                                                    It's insane that any libs are still hanging onto the "Trump/Putin" thing when they didn't care about Barry O's hot mic with Vlad

                                                                    I want to thank Demz for teaching me Russians aren't as bad as they are cracked up to be. After all... the 80's called....
                                                                    Thanks for the laugh.

                                                                    I agree.
                                                                    I was smarter when I drank...
                                                                    I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                                                    • https://www.forbes.com/sites/advisor.../#6b618600e6ae

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                                                                      • At what point do you stop buying into Fake News bullshit?

                                                                        Trump signs executive orders on payroll tax, evictions, student loans, unemployment

                                                                        BEDMINSTER, N.J. — President Donald Trump signed executive orders Saturday for a deferment on payroll taxes, an extension of unemployment insurance and a moratorium on rental evictions. The president also signed an order that would defer student loans.
                                                                        The “payroll tax holiday” will affect Americans making less than $100,000 annually and will be in effect from Aug. 1 through the end of 2020. Trump said if he is re-elected in November, he may seek to extend the deferral and “terminate” the tax. The tax funds Social Security and Medicare benefits, The Washington Post reported.
                                                                        Toronto, is this racist?

                                                                        Trump is 100% getting re-elected.

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                                                                        • Lebanon president: Beirut explosion either due to negligence or missile, bomb

                                                                          So.... How many other things from Trump’s bad 48 hours are completely wrong, Rocket? We should keep a tally.

                                                                          This is why nobody (smart people) buys into the media anymore. And it’s not “Trump supporters deflecting or hand-waiving ” as you said. The media is just awful. You’re being programmed to hate Trump. They of course won’t walk back their absurd ridicule of Trump, and what will actually happen is that you will be the one to deflect or hand-wave this. Then, when the next Trump hit piece comes out, from the same shitty source, you’ll bathe in it and post it here in triumphant glory. Of course, it’ll also turn out to be bullshit, but you’ll carry on undeterred.

                                                                          Maybe, just maybe, when the next Trump hit piece comes out you’ll reserve judgment until more information comes out. Or even better, when you start gobbling down the “Trump is the dumbest human on earth” headline, you’ll remember the last time you got fed bullshit, and that bad taste in your mouth will prevent you from eating it a second, third, or fourth time.

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                                                                          • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                            Lebanon president: Beirut explosion either due to negligence or missile, bomb

                                                                            So.... How many other things from Trump’s bad 48 hours are completely wrong, Rocket? We should keep a tally.

                                                                            This is why nobody (smart people) buys into the media anymore. And it’s not “Trump supporters deflecting or hand-waiving ” as you said. The media is just awful. You’re being programmed to hate Trump. They of course won’t walk back their absurd ridicule of Trump, and what will actually happen is that you will be the one to deflect or hand-wave this. Then, when the next Trump hit piece comes out, from the same shitty source, you’ll bathe in it and post it here in triumphant glory. Of course, it’ll also turn out to be bullshit, but you’ll carry on undeterred.

                                                                            Maybe, just maybe, when the next Trump hit piece comes out you’ll reserve judgment until more information comes out. Or even better, when you start gobbling down the “Trump is the dumbest human on earth” headline, you’ll remember the last time you got fed bullshit, and that bad taste in your mouth will prevent you from eating it a second, third, or fourth time.
                                                                            Zero evidence that it was an attack but okay. Just another devastating takedown on how wrong the media was about Trump, thanks for sharing.

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                                                                            • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                              At what point do you stop buying into Fake News bullshit?

                                                                              Trump signs executive orders on payroll tax, evictions, student loans, unemployment



                                                                              Toronto, is this racist?

                                                                              Trump is 100% getting re-elected.
                                                                              On its face it seems good. The only thing I would be worried about is that these cuts directly effect social security and Medicare. But they can't just go unfunded right?

                                                                              Anyways my takeaways from it - Appears Trump just by passed the Sentate since they Rupbs didn't want to get anything done. Seemed like support in the Senate for this kind move was not there from repubs.

                                                                              Praet - have you seen the Biden bike ride thing? I think before each debate Trump and Biden should do some sort of physical activity lol

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                                                                              • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
                                                                                Zero evidence that it was an attack but okay. Just another devastating takedown on how wrong the media was about Trump, thanks for sharing.
                                                                                Ya but you told me he was getting beaten up by the media for suggesting it. Now, here is their president suggesting it. And as I predicted, deflection. It’s not the end of the world to just be wrong, ya know.

                                                                                The takedown is you repeatedly believing the media that’s already been taken down.
                                                                                Last edited by PraetorianND; 08-09-2020, 08:53 AM.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by TorontoGold View Post
                                                                                  On its face it seems good. The only thing I would be worried about is that these cuts directly effect social security and Medicare. But they can't just go unfunded right?

                                                                                  Anyways my takeaways from it - Appears Trump just by passed the Sentate since they Rupbs didn't want to get anything done. Seemed like support in the Senate for this kind move was not there from repubs.

                                                                                  Praet - have you seen the Biden bike ride thing? I think before each debate Trump and Biden should do some sort of physical activity lol
                                                                                  Republicans wanted a 1T bill and Dems wanted a 3T... Blaming Republicans in a two party negotiation is kinda lame.

                                                                                  Lol - I’m down for that. I’d love to see Biden doing push-ups. He’s challenged more than one person to a contest. Let’s start with that.

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                                                                                  • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                                    Republicans wanted a 1T bill and Dems wanted a 3T... Blaming Republicans in a two party negotiation is kinda lame.

                                                                                    Lol - I’m down for that. I’d love to see Biden doing push-ups. He’s challenged more than one person to a contest. Let’s start with that.
                                                                                    The way it looks to me is this thing kinda turned out like when you're fighting with your brother and dad decides on something and neither of you are happy.

                                                                                    Lol I would pay to watch either do a push up contest, how's Joe's golf game? A trip to Pebble would be awesome.

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                                      Ya but you told me he was getting beaten up by the media for suggesting it. Now, here is their president suggesting it. And as I predicted, deflection. It’s not the end of the world to just be wrong, ya know.

                                                                                      The takedown is you repeatedly believing the media that’s already been taken down.
                                                                                      This is like trying to educate a 6-year old.

                                                                                      There is no evidence it was an attack, Trump was criticized for suggesting it was, and he was immediately contradicted by defense officials.

                                                                                      If there's no evidence it was an attack, what the hell are you crowing about "the media" being wrong about?

                                                                                      Aoun is throwing that out there (again, with no evidence) because his government is under attack for their negligence in allowing this to happen. Read your own article, he's rejecting a UN investigation because it will uncover more of the government incompetence.

                                                                                      A Lebanese judge has ordered the arrest of the director of customs and the GM of the port as they investigate the accident. As they deal with protests from citizens, the Maronite patriarch has asked the government cabinet to step down and the information minister just resigned while apologizing to the Lebanese.

                                                                                      You "don't even like Trump" and continue to die on the dumbest hills for him.

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
                                                                                        This is like trying to educate a 6-year old.

                                                                                        There is no evidence it was an attack, Trump was criticized for suggesting it was, and he was immediately contradicted by defense officials.

                                                                                        If there's no evidence it was an attack, what the hell are you crowing about "the media" being wrong about?

                                                                                        Aoun is throwing that out there (again, with no evidence) because his government is under attack for their negligence in allowing this to happen. Read your own article, he's rejecting a UN investigation because it will uncover more of the government incompetence.

                                                                                        A Lebanese judge has ordered the arrest of the director of customs and the GM of the port as they investigate the accident. As they deal with protests from citizens, the Maronite patriarch has asked the government cabinet to step down and the information minister just resigned while apologizing to the Lebanese.

                                                                                        You "don't even like Trump" and continue to die on the dumbest hills for him.
                                                                                        The criticism is what is wrong. It’s just stupid and unnecessary, like basically every Trump “bad news.” You believing it is par for the course.

                                                                                        You listed Lebron not caring if Trump watches the NBA as bad news for Trump. Lebron literally campaigned for Hillary Clinton.... He stood there next to her at her campaign rallies. Next you’re gonna tell me Beyoncé doesn’t want him at her concerts? She did a campaign concert for Hillary with Jay Z by her side. It’s comical that you list shit like this. It just shows you’re a glutton for Trump hate porn.

                                                                                        Yeah I don’t like Trump but at least I can see through this bullshit.

                                                                                        The guy just eliminated payroll tax for everyone making under $100k, deferred student loans, and paused evictions. Not a peep from you on that but we hear about Lebron’s opinions on Trump....

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                                                                                        • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                                          The criticism is what is wrong. It’s just stupid and unnecessary, like basically every Trump “bad news.” You believing it is par for the course.

                                                                                          You listed Lebron not caring if Trump watches the NBA as bad news for Trump. Lebron literally campaigned for Hillary Clinton.... He stood there next to her at her campaign rallies. Next you’re gonna tell me Beyoncé doesn’t want him at her concerts? She did a campaign concert for Hillary with Jay Z by her side. It’s comical that you list shit like this. It just shows you’re a glutton for Trump hate porn.

                                                                                          Yeah I don’t like Trump but at least I can see through this bullshit.

                                                                                          The guy just eliminated payroll tax for everyone making under $100k, deferred student loans, and paused evictions. Not a peep from you on that but we hear about Lebron’s opinions on Trump....
                                                                                          The criticism is stupid about Trump being wrong on the Beirut blast?

                                                                                          Poor, poor Trump. Such a victim.

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by Rocket89 View Post
                                                                                            The criticism is stupid about Trump being wrong on the Beirut blast?

                                                                                            Poor, poor Trump. Such a victim.
                                                                                            Lol, he wasn’t wrong. We both agreed that we don’t have a cause yet. He suggested it could have been an attack (which seems reasonable). Media crucified him. Now it appears that it could actually have been the case. But, rather than take the time to withhold Trump judgment, the media instead launches Trump Hate Porn Headlines. You buy into it, because you self select into Trump Hate, and now you look dumb.

                                                                                            It’s a small thing but it’s really demonstrative of the current climate. I mean, you still think Trump colluded with Russia. It’s powerful stuff; basically Catnip for you.

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                                                                                            • Rocket89;2187503]Director of United States National Counterintelligence & Security Center, William Evanina, in a statement yesterday:
                                                                                              Quote:
                                                                                              We assess that Russia is using a range of measures to primarily denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as an anti-Russia “establishment.” This is consistent with Moscow’s public criticism of him when he was Vice President for his role in the Obama Administration’s policies on Ukraine and its support for the anti-Putin opposition inside Russia. For example, pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption – including through publicizing leaked phone calls – to undermine former Vice President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party. Some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump’s candidacy on social media and Russian television.
                                                                                              C'mom, man. Fake News. Media and Deep State.

                                                                                              The Truth at the Helsinki conference after a two-hour private meeting with the Russian leader. with bud Vlad:
                                                                                              “They said, ‘I think it is Russia.’ I have President Putin. He just said it is not Russia. I will say this: I do not see any reason why it would be.”
                                                                                              Putin to Trump to us. Simple. Russia is our friend.

                                                                                              Trump: “Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!”
                                                                                              Last edited by Legacy; 08-09-2020, 11:32 AM.

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                                                The criticism is what is wrong. It’s just stupid and unnecessary, like basically every Trump “bad news.” You believing it is par for the course.

                                                                                                You listed Lebron not caring if Trump watches the NBA as bad news for Trump. Lebron literally campaigned for Hillary Clinton.... He stood there next to her at her campaign rallies. Next you’re gonna tell me Beyoncé doesn’t want him at her concerts? She did a campaign concert for Hillary with Jay Z by her side. It’s comical that you list shit like this. It just shows you’re a glutton for Trump hate porn.

                                                                                                Yeah I don’t like Trump but at least I can see through this bullshit.

                                                                                                The guy just eliminated payroll tax for everyone making under $100k, deferred student loans, and paused evictions. Not a peep from you on that but we hear about Lebron’s opinions on Trump....
                                                                                                Did he eliminate payroll tax or defer it. Because thats going to be another problem.

                                                                                                Deferred...:

                                                                                                The payroll taxes would still be due. They would just have been delayed to the end of the deferment period. Companies may not want to stop withholding the employees' share of the taxes from their paychecks for that reason.
                                                                                                Trump also said that if he's reelected, he would seek to forgive the levy and make permanent cuts to the payroll taxes. But the power to change tax law lies with Congress, not the White House.

                                                                                                How convenient.
                                                                                                Last edited by phork; 08-09-2020, 03:12 PM.

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by phork View Post
                                                                                                  Did he eliminate payroll tax or defer it. Because thats going to be another problem.

                                                                                                  Deferred...:

                                                                                                  The payroll taxes would still be due. They would just have been delayed to the end of the deferment period. Companies may not want to stop withholding the employees' share of the taxes from their paychecks for that reason.
                                                                                                  Trump also said that if he's reelected, he would seek to forgive the levy and make permanent cuts to the payroll taxes. But the power to change tax law lies with Congress, not the White House.

                                                                                                  How convenient.
                                                                                                  Yes he deferred them. According to the WP

                                                                                                  For me and my Family, this Is great. I usually make so little that I get a refund, and that usually catches my past due balances up...
                                                                                                  For those that make enough to live in a way that isn't week to week, I'm sure they'll be frugal enough to figure it out....
                                                                                                  I was smarter when I drank...
                                                                                                  I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                                                                                  • Do We live in an Oligarchy?
                                                                                                    "Unfortunately, oligarchies can encourage income inequality and can disrupt the economy. Wealth is unfortunately funneled towards rulers instead of those in the working class. Additionally, an oligarchy can inhibit growth over time due to only a few new perspectives entering the ruling class. Lastly, an oligarchy can create puppet leaders – weak leaders who consolidate their power to stay in charge."

                                                                                                    "Several nations still use oligarchy in their governments, including:

                                                                                                    Russia
                                                                                                    China
                                                                                                    Saudi Arabia
                                                                                                    Iran
                                                                                                    Turkey
                                                                                                    South Africa
                                                                                                    North Korea
                                                                                                    Venezuela
                                                                                                    Ukraine
                                                                                                    Zimbabwe
                                                                                                    United States"

                                                                                                    This article says we are.
                                                                                                    Last edited by Circa; 08-09-2020, 04:30 PM.
                                                                                                    I was smarter when I drank...
                                                                                                    I'm always wrong. I'll correct myself If proven so.

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by PraetorianND View Post
                                                                                                      Lol, he wasn’t wrong. We both agreed that we don’t have a cause yet. He suggested it could have been an attack (which seems reasonable). Media crucified him. Now it appears that it could actually have been the case. But, rather than take the time to withhold Trump judgment, the media instead launches Trump Hate Porn Headlines. You buy into it, because you self select into Trump Hate, and now you look dumb.

                                                                                                      It’s a small thing but it’s really demonstrative of the current climate. I mean, you still think Trump colluded with Russia. It’s powerful stuff; basically Catnip for you.
                                                                                                      You’ve lost the plot and are just trolling. ✌️

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