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SoCalDomer
03-03-2009, 12:45 AM
Linebacker
Charlotte, NC Ardrey Kell HS

Height: 6-2
Weight: 232
Forty: 4.72
Bench: 325
Squat: 545
Vertical: 35
GPA: 3.7

Ratings and Rankings
Rivals: :s::s::s::s:; #6 MLB; Rating 5.8
Scout: :s::s::s:; #37 OLB
ESPN: :s::s::s:, Grade 78, #44 DE

Statistics
Junior: 86 Tackles; 9 Sacks; 2 Interceptions; 2 Fumble Recoveries

Offers
Notre Dame (Verbal; 8/4/09; Corwin Brown)
Duke (OV 12/05/09)
NC State
UNC
Stanford
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia

GO IRISH!!!
03-04-2009, 02:49 PM
I want this kid just so we can add him to the All-Name team!

NDinL.A.
03-05-2009, 11:46 AM
New article says that Prince called the offer from ND his 'biggest so far'. Check out his GPA. Has a friend that attends ND already, and he's been in Catholic schools all his life. Even played against Robert Blanton in high school. Doesn't have a great offer sheet so far, with the biggest being prob Virginia Tech. But he is receiving interest from big schools such as LSU, Georgia, and Miami

WabashFalcon
03-05-2009, 04:46 PM
Ever time I see his name, I think of Eddie Murphy from Comming to America. Don't know why... but I start to giggle.

irishmarine
03-06-2009, 12:14 PM
i watched it last night after i bought it for 4.99 at best buy

GO IRISH!!!
03-06-2009, 12:16 PM
:"What is that? Velvet?"

BGIF
05-29-2009, 12:04 PM
5/27 Allen Wallace reports Shembo won't be camping this summer but will make some visits and ND should be one of them.

BGIF
05-29-2009, 12:17 PM
Bench: 335
Squat: 545

RANKINGS:
Rivals: N.R.
Scout: 3 Star, #52 DE
ESPN: N.R.

COMBINE: '09

40: 4.72
Shuttle: 4.84
Vert: 33.5
3 Cone: 7.91
Broad Jump 9-0

OFFERS:
DUK, ILL, UNC, NCS, ND, SU, UTN, VT, WF, WVU, ECU

jason_h537
05-29-2009, 10:52 PM
How good is this kid really? not suer what to make of this offer

BGIF
05-30-2009, 03:41 AM
How good is this kid really? not suer what to make of this offer

I don't know. Good enough to get Corwin's attention. Good enough to get Allen Wallace to write an article on him entitled, "Pass Rusher Supreme".

One problem may be his position, he's listed by the recruiting services as a DE. But if you look at the stories listed in his profile on Scout and Rivals the headlines frequently list his position as "LB". Does he really play DE or is he merely being projected there?

In a 5/14 only two weeks ago, Wiltfong writing about Aramide Olaniyan noted,

Olaniyan Patiently Waits On Irish Always a prospect on ND’s recruiting board, earlier this month, Aramide Olaniyan proved himself to the Irish coaching staff even more. At a Nike Camp in Charlottesville, Va., the 6-2, 201 Olaniyan took home MVP honors over fellow Linebackers Kendall Moore and Prince Shembo, whom both hold ND offers.

Kerry Neal was NOT highly regarded when Weis offered, if I recall correctly.

Shembo's offers show he has limited exposure. There regional except for ND and SU, both academic restricted schools that have to beat the bushes for qualified prospects, and ILL who I think has a coach on their staff from the Carolinas and has extensive connections there.

His exposure isn't going to get much better as he doesn't plan on camping anywhere this summer.

jason_h537
05-30-2009, 03:17 PM
I see

NDinL.A.
06-22-2009, 09:40 PM
He'll be visiting ND this Friday, the 26th...

BGIF
07-08-2009, 02:01 AM
Per Lemming in the 7/07/09 South Bend Tribune

Prince Shembo is leaning to ND

WabashFalcon
07-08-2009, 09:04 AM
"AHA! Allow me to compensate you... let's say... one millions American dollars?"

IrishInFl
07-08-2009, 10:24 AM
"AHA! Allow me to compensate you... let's say... one millions American dollars?"

YouTube - Austin Powers - 100 billion dollars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY)

Rizzophil
07-08-2009, 10:42 AM
Is Prince Shembo comparable to Kerry Neal in style of play, body control, quickness, etc.?

BGIF
07-16-2009, 09:57 AM
Notre Dame Football: IrishIllustrated.com - Notre Dame Football (http://notredame.rivals.com/)

By Jake Brown ISD


Prince Shembo is still working things out, but there are visits on the horizon for the 6-foot-2, 232-pound defensive end from Charlotte, N.C. Shembo plans to get in an unofficial to Virginia Tech before the summer is out and has already been thinking about making an official visit to Notre Dame when it hosts USC. He’s also hitting it off with a couple Irish commits.




Shembo's apparently added 7 pounds since his season ended.

NDinMemphis
07-17-2009, 04:50 PM
Has narrowed list to 4 schools per Scout. It's a premium article, so for those of you with a subscription, it may be worth checking out.

Scout.com: Shembo Down to Four (http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=2&c=879788&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fnotredame.scout.com%2fa. z%3fs%3d109%26p%3d2%26c%3d879788)

jason_h537
07-24-2009, 12:54 AM
Rated a 4 Star on latest Rivals evaluations. 16th overall Weakside DE

texas fighting irish
07-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Do we have a good chance of landing him?

NDinNM
07-26-2009, 06:03 PM
I think we have a good shot at getting him. I have a feeling that he will sign with us

jason_h537
07-26-2009, 06:33 PM
ND is in really good shape with Shembo plus he has appeared to have formed a good relationship with Kendall Moore. Tennesse is on this kid hard as well, and it sounhds as if he really enjoyed his visit there so i would not call him a lock.

texas fighting irish
07-27-2009, 05:40 PM
is there any video on shembo? how good is he?

jason_h537
07-29-2009, 09:52 PM
Will visit VTech on friday and plans to commit in the next 2 weeks.

The Polish Irishman
07-29-2009, 10:24 PM
Will visit VTech on friday and plans to commit in the next 2 weeks.

Maybe that thing on Beamer's Neck will scare him off.

texas fighting irish
07-31-2009, 05:30 PM
I really hope we can land Shembo . Hope Moore and Martin are trying to help on this kid.

The Polish Irishman
08-02-2009, 11:25 PM
Shembo is deciding on Tuesday....Looks good fof the Irish

WabashFalcon
08-02-2009, 11:31 PM
Bullshit. Lol. What time and where is he announcing brother?

texas fighting irish
08-03-2009, 12:00 AM
sounds great really hope we can land shembo

Brown
08-03-2009, 12:38 AM
Awesome news from an insider "Mike Frank"

"Prince Shembo: The outside linebacker/defensive end from Charlotte, N.C., will announce his college decision on Tuesday. Shembo will decide between Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Tennessee and North Carolina. The Irish look like the leader here. Shembo visited the South Bend campus for the first time in late June, staying for three days. He is another Irish recruit with a good relationship with Corwin Brown."

jason_h537
08-03-2009, 01:15 AM
Bullshit. Lol. What time and where is he announcing brother?

Tuesday 1pm est

NDinMemphis
08-03-2009, 06:17 PM
Who is he deciding between? ND and UNC? or is there another major player in his recruitment?

Brown
08-03-2009, 06:22 PM
Awesome news from an insider "Mike Frank"

"Prince Shembo: The outside linebacker/defensive end from Charlotte, N.C., will announce his college decision on Tuesday. Shembo will decide between Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Tennessee and North Carolina. The Irish look like the leader here. Shembo visited the South Bend campus for the first time in late June, staying for three days. He is another Irish recruit with a good relationship with Corwin Brown."

this

WabashFalcon
08-03-2009, 07:12 PM
That a makes a me happy!

texas fighting irish
08-03-2009, 10:04 PM
Are we recruiting him as a DE or LB sounds like coach brown is on a roll

jason_h537
08-03-2009, 10:09 PM
Hybrid. depends on how he grows and where he fits best. Consider him a DE for now

texas fighting irish
08-03-2009, 10:29 PM
Maybe shembo has been a silent commit all along just my opinion.

FrankMA
08-04-2009, 12:30 PM
Prince picks ND!
College Recruiting: Ardrey Kell's Prince Shembo picks Notre Dame (http://obsrecruiting.blogspot.com/2009/08/ardrey-kells-prince-shembo-picks-notre.html)

irish4ever
08-04-2009, 12:50 PM
Prince picks ND!
College Recruiting: Ardrey Kell's Prince Shembo picks Notre Dame (http://obsrecruiting.blogspot.com/2009/08/ardrey-kells-prince-shembo-picks-notre.html)

Super pick in schools, Prince!!!

NDinL.A.
08-04-2009, 01:13 PM
Great news! Number 14 baby!!!!!

P.S. If it hadn't been a foregone conclusion, we'd be pumped right now. Kid can play guys. Another defensive stud, which we weren't pulling in past years. 4 star on Rivals, tall and can run. If he had Tennesee and North Carolina and VaTech hats in front of him, and had he been real coy about his recruitment, if he pulled that ND hat we'd be happier than shit. Let's raise a toast to yet another defensive baller CW and the fellas reigned in...

NDinL.A.
08-04-2009, 01:29 PM
Just saw the first interview with him. He was wearing a ND T-shirt. He's a good kid, a ND kid. First thing he talked about was the academics, about ND having the #2 business school in the nation, and that he's going to major in finance. He's pumped about going to ND, and he gets along great with Kendall Moore. He's going to play OLB, and they love his ability to blitz and put pressure on the QB. He also had great things to say about Corwin Brown. A recurring theme with Brown (and CW for that matter) that the recruits all talk about is how Brown really cares about not only their football lives but their off-the-field lives as well. It strikes a chord with them, and I'm sure it's something CW stresses in the recruiting meetings.

Welcome aboard Prince!!!

The Polish Irishman
08-04-2009, 01:31 PM
Awesome....defense recruiting is having a great year.

03euroSVT
08-04-2009, 01:42 PM
I know I am pumped about seeing another D recruit verbally committing. It seems like we are finally starting to get a spread of good players at each position on the field.

Welcome to ND!!!

jason_h537
08-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Welcome Prince. This could be Weis's best defensive class when all is said and done.

Bubba
08-04-2009, 01:55 PM
Is this the guy some compared to Jason Taylor? JT won defensive player of the year in the NFL playing as an OLB who could put a hand down and rush the passer.

Welcome, Prince!

BGIF
08-04-2009, 01:57 PM
Martin isn't feeling lonely like he was a few weeks ago.

phork
08-04-2009, 02:15 PM
Sweetness. Welcome to ND your highness.

BGIF
08-04-2009, 02:23 PM
... He's going to play OLB, and they love his ability to blitz and put pressure on the QB. ...

I don't think he's going to stay there long. He's listed at 232 entering his HS Senior year. He's got a Bench Press of 325 and a Squat of 545.

Most of the OLs ND is pursuing don't beat his strength numbers. He's eating and pumping his way to DE.

Junkhead
08-04-2009, 02:44 PM
Sweet. Nice surprise after work.

BCSorBust
08-04-2009, 03:30 PM
First thing he talked about was the academics, about ND having the #2 business school in the nation, and that he's going to major in finance.


That's great to hear! I believe I spoke earlier in the thread about how our business school would help us out in this recruiting if he is legit about what he says. Glad to see a quality young man join the fold. I hope he's an asset for the football team and for the school.

texas fighting irish
08-04-2009, 05:23 PM
Just got the news shembo is Irish i am very happy

Stalking_Eagle
08-04-2009, 07:03 PM
We are royalty - HOlllarZZZZZZZZZZzzzz

This commit made me so happy today. Welcome Prince you made a wonderful decision.

irishlaw77
08-04-2009, 07:35 PM
Congrats Prince! Very happy to have the defensive line recruiting catching up this year in a big way. Still would love to see a quality DT sign up before it is all said and done.

The Polish Irishman
08-04-2009, 08:13 PM
Now, this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I liked to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called South Bend

In west North Carolina born and raised
On the football field was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all playin some f-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys
Who were up to some good
Startin making nice in my neighborhood
I got one big scholoarshop and my mom got stoked
She said 'You're movin' with Kendall Moore and C. Martin in the Bend

I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said Corwin and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I can say this cab is rare
But I thought 'Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to South Bend

I pulled up to the Bend about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie 'Yo homes smell ya later'
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of South Bend

vinnymac2402
08-04-2009, 08:54 PM
That is some funny shit polish irishman

Polish Leppy 22
08-04-2009, 09:07 PM
That is rich

tko
08-04-2009, 09:43 PM
will he actually have a number assigned to him or will he be recognized by a symbol?

Stalking_Eagle
08-04-2009, 10:09 PM
will he actually have a number assigned to him or will he be recognized by a symbol?

Really we are questioning this right now? Yes the symbol of a snail represents him. @

texas fighting irish
08-04-2009, 10:39 PM
Man that was so funny glad that we got the prince on board all i want to know whos next....

Ultimate Penn St. Hater
08-04-2009, 10:52 PM
Welcome Prince! Go Irish!

BGIF
08-05-2009, 01:32 AM
BlueandGold.com // Shembo Joins The Irish As No. 14 (http://www.blueandgold.com/content/?aid=7445)

Jason Sapp BGI 8/4/9

He’s fully aware that he has five officials available, but he only plans on using one. I’m only taking one to Notre Dame,” he said of his intentions to attend the game against rival Southern Cal. “I’m staying solid. It’s like a marriage. I’m fully committed to them. Decommitting says a lot about someone’s character, and I’m a man of my word.

NDinL.A.
08-05-2009, 02:10 AM
Man that was so funny glad that we got the prince on board all i want to know whos next....

Yo Tex, it would be much easier to read your posts if you would add some punctuation. The run-on sentences can be hard to follow. Just a word of advice...

BGIF
08-05-2009, 02:27 AM
will he actually have a number assigned to him or will he be recognized by a symbol?

http://www.uponreflection.co.uk/hieroglyphics/hieroglyphic_symbols/hieroglyphic_expression_14_son_ofthe_king_prince.j pg

Son of the king, Prince

Heiroglyphics Hieroglyphics Egyptian Phrases Symbols (http://www.uponreflection.co.uk/hieroglyphics/hieroglyphic_expressions.htm)

irish4ever
08-05-2009, 07:51 AM
I like Prince's "man of his word" comment. Hopefully, he'll help attract several other high-level recruits to join in on the Irish recruiting freight train!

WabashFalcon
08-05-2009, 12:40 PM
So... it rains like a mother down here. I lose my power... then I my basement floods two inches worth of water. Now I'm tardy to the party to Prince's corniation. Shit...


14 down, 14 to go.

texas fighting irish
08-05-2009, 07:29 PM
Thanks ND for catching my mistake i will try to do better next time.

BGIF
08-10-2009, 01:18 AM
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090805/BLOGS02/908059940/0/FRONTPAGE (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090805/BLOGS02/908059940/0/FRONTPAGE)

Aug 5 '09

According to Tony Krausz, Irish Insights


Shembo will likely be moved off the line at Notre Dame to weak side linebacker.


Per Mike Farrell
I watched him work in space at a camp, and he came through with flying colors," Farrell said in a phone interview Wednesday. He has a lot of athletic ability and nastiness, which Notre Dame needs on defense. He has a good attitude for a defensive player. He wants to hit people.

jason_h537
09-07-2009, 11:35 PM
Ranked # 225 in latest Rivals 250

Whats more surprising is he is listed as their #6 MLB

WhoDeyIrish
10-30-2009, 03:31 AM
Yeah when I saw his profile and build I figured he would be moved to outside linebacker as well. Which befuddles me that he doesn't play MLB for his high school already. Especially if he has good closing speed.

NDinL.A.
10-30-2009, 10:33 AM
Kid is a stud, and yet he and Kendell Moore did NOT make the North Carolina-South Carolina All Star game. Commit to ND early = screwed out of all-star games...

fitz_bu47
10-30-2009, 12:24 PM
Total b.s.

Mavericknyc1980
10-31-2009, 12:14 PM
I personally do not care that they did not make the ALL STAR GAME. They will wreck havok next year and we know how good they are.

WabashFalcon
10-31-2009, 02:19 PM
"I'm a man of my word...."

Just read that in my Joker voice.

sportallyr
10-31-2009, 07:05 PM
Love it that Rivals has him listed as a MLB, Scout has him as an OLB and ESPN has him as a DE. Guess that means he's a versatile player. Glad to have him.

chyrspchuck
12-02-2009, 03:26 AM
can anyone tell me what the rivals front page featuring prince shembo says?

jason_h537
12-02-2009, 03:32 AM
he's solid

Irishkid23
12-06-2009, 02:26 AM
He's visiting Duke this weekend.

This is from Blue and Gold.

IrishAlum1997
12-06-2009, 02:31 AM
Zoinks!

chyrspchuck
12-06-2009, 04:11 AM
BlueandGold.com // Shembo Joins The Irish As No. 14 (http://www.blueandgold.com/content/?aid=7445)

He’s fully aware that he has five officials available, but he only plans on using one. I’m only taking one to Notre Dame,” he said of his intentions to attend the game against rival Southern Cal. “I’m staying solid. It’s like a marriage. I’m fully committed to them. Decommitting says a lot about someone’s character, and I’m a man of my word.

Jason Sapp BGI 8/4/9

I hope he still believes this.

jason_h537
12-07-2009, 12:56 AM
Shembo did not visit Duke. Told Rivals staff he is solid

jason_h537
12-18-2009, 02:47 AM
Will visit Miami. Its not like we need DE's

chyrspchuck
12-18-2009, 03:58 AM
I thought he was a man of his word, you gotta be kidding me, this is falling apart fast.

BGIF
12-18-2009, 07:49 AM
I thought he was a man of his word, you gotta be kidding me, this is falling apart fast.

Yo, Chicken Little, he's an 18 year old kid who's lost a relationship with the coach/coaches he knew at ND.

It's the new coach's job to rebuild that relationship. IF you want to discuss the Recruiting Status take to that thread and not a recruit's profile.

GOLDENISTHYTATE
12-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Just be patient, until Signing Day everyone is still possible in a coaching transition year because there are so many unknowns. I want Shembo to stay, but if he thinks he is better off as a Cane, that's his choice.

Remember last year when Fulmer was fired - Tennessee lost a bunch of recruits. They ended up replacing them with evern better ones, recruits no one knew were even on their radar. Granted it is Lane Kiffin and I am not sure if everything was on the up-and-up, but I have faith our class will be a solid one.

jason_h537
12-18-2009, 05:39 PM
Just be patient, until Signing Day everyone is still possible in a coaching transition year because there are so many unknowns. I want Shembo to stay, but if he thinks he is better off as a Cane, that's his choice.

Remember last year when Fulmer was fired - Tennessee lost a bunch of recruits. They ended up replacing them with evern better ones, recruits no one knew were even on their radar. Granted it is Lane Kiffin and I am not sure if everything was on the up-and-up, but I have faith our class will be a solid one.

Kiffin put together an all star cast of recruiters on his staff. Shembo and Moore were tight with Brown so its not surprising thatthey will look.

BGIF
12-24-2009, 04:36 AM
Shembo visiting Miami on 1/29/10 according to Scout.com. He doesn't have a Miami offer.

Polish Leppy 22
12-24-2009, 12:57 PM
That's a little too close to NSD for me

irish4ever
12-24-2009, 02:55 PM
It is what it is. IF he doesn't want to be with the up and coming Irish, so be it. He can go to "thug U" if he wants to.

Maddog77
12-28-2009, 10:13 AM
Per ISD, BK has an in home visit scheduled with him on Jan 5th. He said that he was pretty sure he was still taking his visit to Miami on Jan 29th. At this point, he is not interested in anyone else.

Rudy
12-30-2009, 08:11 PM
I go to a school 10 min away and have seen him play three times. Trust me he is good. I know one of his good friends and she told me that he still is going to nd and that he is excited to get to south bend.

NDinL.A.
01-02-2010, 01:42 AM
Well, this article wasn't good:

Irish recruits split on new coach - Sports - TheSunNews.com (http://www.thesunnews.com/sports/story/1240977.html)

Someone got into his head I think. You won't like this quote from him:

It's kind of messed up how he left his team at Cincinnati," said Shembo, who played at Audrey Kelly High School in Charlotte. "I mean if Texas would have lost in the Big-12 championship he could be playing for a national title."

"That just tells me that he is in it for the money. Obviously it's a business, but it is also my future. He is coming to my house on Jan. 5 but I am still going to take my visit to Miami."

Not good. On the bright side, in the article Utopo and Hendrix confirm they are solid to ND...

IrishAddiction
01-02-2010, 01:49 AM
Ouch. A little harsh if he has never met the guy. From that quote alone, its not a good sign at all that he will stay with us.

mbeckha
01-02-2010, 02:49 AM
Im pretty sure for BK it was more about a dream than the money. The money just came with the dream. So go to miami if that is your dream. If your dream is to go to Notre Dame then the your fututre will be money too!

BGIF
01-02-2010, 04:53 AM
Ouch. A little harsh if he has never met the guy. From that quote alone, its not a good sign at all that he will stay with us.

You need to read the article in its entirety. The author, Nate Ripke, covers the beach ball tournament and 5 K run as well. The title of his article written "for the Sun" is "Irish Recruits Split on New Coach". He "interviewed" 3 ND recruits at the Offense-Defense All-American Bow. The word "interview" is a travesty. He wrote about 4 lines for each.

Kelly being Catholic is significant at least to the writer. According to Ripke,Hendrix selected ND because he's Catholic. Curiously Ripke fails to mention that Hendrix was
struggling with his ND ision since Kelly has a spread offense and Hendrix was looking forward to Weis Pro Set. The Shembo comments struck me as anwers to specific questions not general commentary.

I googled Ripke and read some of this other articles "for the Sun". Shembo may chose Miami but I wouldn't get concerned based on a piece by this writer.

SoJerseyIrish
01-02-2010, 02:35 PM
Did Miami even offer this kid........I don't see it anywhere? So the fact they are not 'really' interested.......but might have some room after missing on a few kids is OK with him.....LOL....oh to be 17 again.....if I only knew what I knew now.I would have sold my soul to go to ND.......

The Polish Irishman
01-05-2010, 04:15 PM
Per Eric Hansen of the SBT:

Prince's coach said he is firmly committed to ND after meeting Kelly

Looks like things are not flipped turned upside down....yo homes to South Bend

Polish Leppy 22
01-05-2010, 11:43 PM
miami visit still on or cancelled?

nd1988
01-05-2010, 11:56 PM
Per Eric Hansen of the SBT:

Prince's coach said he is firmly committed to ND after meeting Kelly

Looks like things are not flipped turned upside down....yo homes to South Bend

South Bend is AWESOME!!!!

GOLDENISTHYTATE
01-15-2010, 01:56 PM
I keep reading he is still looking around. Anyone have info to qualm my fears? I hate when a commit's profile becomes quiet. It just makes me uneasy.

IrishInFl
01-15-2010, 02:09 PM
Read three posts ago. There's your answer.

tko
01-15-2010, 02:23 PM
NSD can't come soon enough so we know officially what we're working with.

Big23Head
01-19-2010, 08:16 AM
Shembo will NOT visit Miami or anywhere else.

Ultimate Penn St. Hater
01-19-2010, 08:50 AM
Thats great news

goldandblue
01-19-2010, 09:12 AM
fantastic. I was really hoping we could hold on to him!

fitz_bu47
01-19-2010, 09:55 AM
Very Nice!

SoJerseyIrish
01-19-2010, 09:57 AM
Best name in this class........we couldn't lose the Prince!

Whiskeyjack
08-26-2011, 03:16 PM
Good article up on Rivals about Shembo. (http://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1256559)

Sherm Sticky
06-26-2012, 12:03 PM
Per Kevin Weidl on ESPN scout, inc. (who I actually like and respect his analysis)

Studying ND ILB Manti Te'O and OLB Prince Shembo keeps showing up. Country strong, tough and can run. Expecting a breakout year from him.

ND will be strong along the front 7 with Te'o, Shembo, Kapron-Moore and big Louis Nix eating up the inside. Back-end will have big ?s tho

He left out Tuitt, but still get's me excited.

Irishman77
06-27-2012, 09:26 AM
I am putting the over/under at 12 sacks for Shembo this year.

Domina Nostra
06-27-2012, 09:30 AM
Per Kevin Weidl on ESPN scout, inc. (who I actually like and respect his analysis)





He left out Tuitt, but still get's me excited.

Always good when an analyst thinks your front 7 is strong without one of its most dominant players.

12 is a lot, but I agree that Shembo should get his share this year. He is much better suited for CAT.

IrishLax
06-27-2012, 09:37 AM
Needs to get healthy; but like I said in a previous thread a couple weeks ago I'm expecting a BIG year for Shembo. He's a perfect fit at CAT.

Domina Nostra
06-27-2012, 09:43 AM
Needs to get healthy; but like I said in a previous thread a couple weeks ago I'm expecting a BIG year for Shembo. He's a perfect fit at CAT.

Is something lingering?

IrishLax
06-27-2012, 09:47 AM
Is something lingering?

I think he hurt a foot in spring practice.... and from my experience with lacrosse players who hurt feet, those injuries seem to linger for a reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllly long time. I think it was turf toe and he had surgery, so he SHOULD be good to go.... but... you never know.

rtrn2glory
06-27-2012, 10:10 AM
I am putting the over/under at 12 sacks for Shembo this year.

way under

Domina Nostra
06-27-2012, 10:47 AM
I think he hurt a foot in spring practice.... and from my experience with lacrosse players who hurt feet, those injuries seem to linger for a reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllly long time. I think it was turf toe and he had surgery, so he SHOULD be good to go.... but... you never know.

Thanks. Agreed about those kind of injuries. Your feet, groin, and back take a long timeto heal because the muscles are used for balanec and lateral motions. They are easy to re-tweak since they are involved in almost everything you do.

UmphreakDomer
06-27-2012, 10:47 AM
way under

yeah. i'm going closer to 5. but hoping to be wrong on the low side. but come on, tuck leads with 13.5 for a season. prince will definitely be a reason for tuitt and KLM to get their numbers up.

bobbyok1
09-16-2012, 12:46 AM
Hell of a gameby Shembo! I've been disappointed by him sometimesbut tonight he was great! Congrats Prine on a awesome game!

Redbar
09-16-2012, 12:55 AM
Prince played dominant football tonight. I was blown away by his performance, not as bad as that MSU left tackle, but nevertheless.

irishff1014
09-16-2012, 10:23 AM
Shembo was lights out last night. This is the Shembo we need to have show up every week.

Chris P. Bacon
09-16-2012, 11:02 AM
Shembo was definitly a beast, he was everywhere last night. I loved the pressure he brought off the edge. Those stunts with the 3 and 4 man rushes last night were working like a charm, confused the oline a lot, and the speed from Shembo and surprisingly Sheldon Day was too much trouble for Mstate. Great game for those two and the rest of the defense.

ryno 24
09-16-2012, 12:24 PM
This was an impressive game by Shembo he stopped the run well enough and put pressure on the QB like nobody's business. He is the perfect example of a cat linebacker. I am just so impressed by this defense

Golden Glory
10-24-2012, 03:16 PM
I think what Prince and Stephon do in this game will be the key to victory this week. If we keep Laundry guessing when he's gonna get hit next we keep the 0 in the loss column. Hopefully these two come up big on Saturday in Primetime.
Kap had a great outing against BYU, pressuring the QB if he chips in too this could be real fun.

koonja
10-24-2012, 03:20 PM
I think what Prince and Stephon do in this game will be the key to victory this week. If we keep Laundry guessing when he's gonna get hit next we keep the 0 in the loss column. Hopefully these two come up big on Saturday in Primetime.
Kap had a great outing against BYU, pressuring the QB if he chips in too this could be real fun.

Are you going to bump every defensive player's thread just to say something that should be put in the 'gameday' thread? It's kind of annoying.

AdmiralBackhand
10-24-2012, 03:23 PM
Are you going to bump every defensive player's thread just to say something that should be put in the 'gameday' thread? It's kind of annoying.

Relax, let him do as he wishes. If it bugs you, click off the thread.

koonja
10-24-2012, 03:24 PM
Relax, let him do as he wishes. If it bugs you, click off the thread.

Ok. I'm going to bump Kap's thread in a second to say I hope he gets a sack.

Golden Glory
10-24-2012, 03:35 PM
Are you going to bump every defensive player's thread just to say something that should be put in the 'gameday' thread? It's kind of annoying.

No plans on bumping every defensive players thread. Just talking ND football on ND football message board to you, who is annoyed by it, and others who hopefully arent.

Sherm Sticky
10-24-2012, 03:53 PM
No plans on bumping every defensive players thread. Just talking ND football on ND football message board to you, who is annoyed by it, and others who hopefully arent.
Don't worry about him...he is a bully.

ndfi78
10-25-2012, 02:35 PM
Pretty good article on Shembo, dude seems like a riot. :)

Cat linebacker Prince Shembo making a name for himself on Notre Dames defense - Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/15948576-419/cat-linebacker-prince-shembo-making-a-name-for-himself-on-notre-dames-defense.html)

SOUTH BEND, Ind. — Prince Shembo breaks his day into three distinct parts: There’s class, there’s lunch, and there’s practice — two hours of drudgery, of mind-numbing drills, of exhausting and exhaustive workouts that leave players physically and emotionally spent.

“That’s recess,” Shembo said.

Football’s clearly a little more fun for Shembo, who plays one of the few positions that isn’t completely bogged down in assignments, responsibilities and minutiae.
Shembo’s role as Notre Dame’s “Cat” outside linebacker?

Get the quarterback.

“I just play football, man, that’s just all I do,” Shembo said. “You start thinking about, ‘I gotta do this, I gotta do this,’ you start freezing. When you’re a kid and you’re playing freeze tag, you just want to run around, right? That’s what I’m doing.”

Tag. You’re it.


“Until the ball is thrown and the whistle is blown, he’s trying to kill the quarterback,” said tackle Zack Martin, who’s had the unfortunate privilege of battling Shembo in practice for three years.

Shembo — projected by ESPN as a second-round draft pick if he leaves early this spring — always has been a freewheeling player, dating back to his high school days in Charlotte, N.C. But with current San Francisco 49er Darius Fleming occupying the Cat spot last year, Irish coach Brian Kelly moved Shembo to Dog — the drop linebacker who spends much of his time in pass coverage. The idea was to get the 11 best athletes on the field, but Shembo had never played in space before, and he struggled to adapt his style of play. He started eight games and even managed a couple of sacks, but it wasn’t exactly the Shembo who goes by “Rambo” on Twitter.

“I’m an aggressive player,” he said. “I like to go stop the run or go chase that dude. But you’ve got to be patient. That’s one thing I learned. I started to build patience.”

Fleming’s graduation allowed Shembo to become top Cat. He’s as aggressive as ever, only now with the experience, knowledge and, yes, patience to maximize his effectiveness. And while he loves practice and studies film, his role is still mostly improvisation.

“It’s a lot of instinct,” he said. “Things just happen. I might just cut inside just because I cut inside, just because it feels good.”

Kelly called the Cat spot a “natural fit” for Shembo.

“Now he’s in his rush stance; you know he’s coming,” Martin said. “He’s got his ears pinned back and he smells blood.”

There’s more to the role than just getting sacks — after all, Shembo’s only got two of them, yet he’s a huge part of ND’s success this season. He’s a relentless presence in the opposing backfield, with eight quarterback hurries, forcing opponents into bad decisions and hurried throws. He also sets the edge for the Irish, funneling ball-carriers back toward the middle, where Manti Te’o and Co. are waiting.

At 6-2, 250 pounds, with incredible strength and quickness, he gives the Irish an advantage against just about any tight end in the country — even Stanford’s massive duo of Zach Ertz and Levine Toilolo, who found themselves jammed by Shembo all day before they could even start their routes.

Shembo said that strength, ability and relentlessness comes from practice, from banging heads with the likes of 6-6 Tyler Eifert and 6-7 Troy Niklas every day.

You know, recess.

“We’ve got monsters on our team: Troy’s a monster, Eifert’s a monster,” Shembo said. “The more you practice with monsters, the better. If I’ve got to fight a dragon every day — without getting killed, hopefully — I’ll know how to beat the dragon eventually.”

Emcee77
10-25-2012, 02:38 PM
Wow, second round draft pick?? Is that true? If so we legitimately have to worry about him leaving after this year.

Walter White
10-25-2012, 02:43 PM
Wow, second round draft pick?? Is that true? If so we legitimately have to worry about him leaving after this year.

Crap. Another guy to worry about later along with Wood, Martin, Watt, and Nix.

ThePiombino
10-25-2012, 03:01 PM
Wow, second round draft pick?? Is that true? If so we legitimately have to worry about him leaving after this year.

Seems a tad generous at this stage of the game.

Luckylucci
10-25-2012, 05:13 PM
It does seem a tad generous, because that would mean one of the top 15 or so LB's in the draft. Right? Personally i don't seem him going anywhere. Next year him, tuitt and nix will dominate college football.

jerboski
10-25-2012, 05:16 PM
I think he stays, having a great year but 2nd round pick is a bit much

irishog77
10-25-2012, 05:20 PM
It does seem a tad generous, because that would mean one of the top 15 or so LB's in the draft. Right? Personally i don't seem him going anywhere. Next year him, tuitt and nix will dominate college football.

Probably even higher than that. 7-10 range. Don't think he's quite there yet.

But let people keep praising and drafting our players!

Luckylucci
10-25-2012, 05:23 PM
Right, its great for recruiting especially considering they are quoting that from ESPN!

ndfi78
10-26-2012, 08:46 AM
Yeah, I'll be honest the 2nd round pick quote freaked me out a little. Hopefully he stays.

Sherm Sticky
10-26-2012, 09:26 AM
I find it interesting that the article stated that ESPN has him as a second round pick....Considering ESPN hasn't even done an evaluation on him yet. Plus, from tweets I've read by Kevin Weidl (who I respect very much) from ESPN he believes Prince needs to get stronger especially in the lower body.

ndfi78
10-26-2012, 10:51 AM
600 lbs squat is pretty stout

ThePiombino
10-26-2012, 11:37 AM
600 lbs squat is pretty stout

Not bad for a guy who needs to improve his lower body strength.

Sherm Sticky
10-26-2012, 11:46 AM
Or maybe he said upper body strength. I don't remember. But, he did say he needs to improve his strength.

ndfi78
10-26-2012, 01:08 PM
That seems like crazy talk, have you seen the Onward ND video that the NFL network did? That scene where Shembo is dancing, the dude is freaking rocked up. Maybe this Kevin Weidl is confused.

EDIT: I found it.

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irishog77
10-26-2012, 01:15 PM
A lot of the "scouting" espn does is crazy talk. They're notorious for doing crap like listing a G at 6'5" 321, and then claiming size as one of his biggest strengths, then having another G listed at 6'4 1/2 317, and claiming "size" as one of his biggest weaknesses.

Strength, whether it's upper body or lower body, isn't really something scouts and teams can get a great read into until combines, pro days, and private workouts anyway. Joe Schmoe from espn probably has no clue whatsoever about Shembo's strength.

Sherm Sticky
10-26-2012, 01:34 PM
A lot of the "scouting" espn does is crazy talk. They're notorious for doing crap like listing a G at 6'5" 321, and then claiming size as one of his biggest strengths, then having another G listed at 6'4 1/2 317, and claiming "size" as one of his biggest weaknesses.

Strength, whether it's upper body or lower body, isn't really something scouts and teams can get a great read into until combines, pro days, and private workouts anyway. Joe Schmoe from espn probably has no clue whatsoever about Shembo's strength.
They could have been looking at last years film.

I actually think Scouts.inc does a better job than Kiper. But, I'll take Mayock over them all.

stlnd01
10-26-2012, 10:45 PM
A lot of the "scouting" espn does is crazy talk. They're notorious for doing crap like listing a G at 6'5" 321, and then claiming size as one of his biggest strengths, then having another G listed at 6'4 1/2 317, and claiming "size" as one of his biggest weaknesses.

Strength, whether it's upper body or lower body, isn't really something scouts and teams can get a great read into until combines, pro days, and private workouts anyway. Joe Schmoe from espn probably has no clue whatsoever about Shembo's strength.

Just look at the dude and the way he plays. He's pretty strong.
I wonder, though, if he's versatile enough to be a high-round NFL draft pick just yet. I mean, he's a top-notch pass rusher, but can he drop into coverage? That's something Te'o struggled with until this year, but staying another season really helped him develop.
Let's just say I hope Shembo sticks around. He's a ballplayer.

North Buffalo Irish
10-27-2012, 01:11 AM
I honestly had no idea that Shembo was from North Carolina.

About Shembo and the draft, he's obviously a great specimen but is still really raw. I'd honestly put the chances of him leaving at less than 5%. He's been one of my favorites since he was first introduced as a pass-rush specialist, and I look forward to him playing out his eligibility in an Irish uniform.

Riddickulous
10-27-2012, 01:19 AM
Second round? Not buying it.

He's pretty bad in space.

Riddickulous
11-11-2012, 02:14 PM
5 sacks in the last three games. 7 total on the year.

He's been on fire lately.

irishff1014
11-11-2012, 02:17 PM
He was all of the place last night. And was flat running through people.

GoldenIsThyFame
11-19-2012, 01:43 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/20/3u6u7e9e.jpg

Riddickulous
11-19-2012, 01:43 PM
That is terrifying

PraetorianND
11-19-2012, 01:44 PM
Dude so scary hahaha

Rack Em
11-19-2012, 01:46 PM
**** ADT, I want a cardboard Prince Shembo inside my door.

RDU Irish
11-19-2012, 01:51 PM
Hilarious. I want that to carry around Miami January 7th.

NoJusticeNoPeace
11-19-2012, 01:52 PM
Would not want to live across the street from that person and see Shembo staring at me every time I look out my window.

GoldenIsThyFame
11-19-2012, 01:56 PM
Would not want to live across the street from that person and see Shembo staring at me every time I look out my window.

Seriously. Reminds me of this.

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Whiskeyjack
11-19-2012, 01:58 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E9L67BXqsNQ/UEE4azWfrjI/AAAAAAAAPRI/lCbHCg7WfEQ/s1600/Dee-bo.JPG
"That's my bike seat."

dudesthisisthebest
12-01-2012, 09:14 AM
I'm not sure this has been talked about in any of the other scholly numbers threads, but does anyone else think he might enter the draft? I know we like to hope that guys at least stick around to get their degree, but he'll be a mid round pick at least(maybe higher depending on measurables) and going to the NC doesn't really leave the 'unfinished business' reasoning. Just speculating.


Edit: guess I should have read a few pages back, but its still something to think about now going to the NC game.

irishmarine
12-01-2012, 09:55 AM
I think he is extremely talented but could become a higher pick if he comes back and polishes his game next year.

Irish8248
04-09-2013, 12:34 AM
Am I missing something? Debate on another forum, poster said Prince played some ILB last year... I said he's clearly an edge rusher...

clashmore_mike
04-09-2013, 12:35 AM
I don't think he played one snap of ILB last year.

Who'saWildManNow
04-09-2013, 12:40 AM
nope

Irish8248
04-09-2013, 12:45 AM
Thank you... I can't think Of one moment either

Irishman77
04-09-2013, 12:49 AM
It was discussed to move him inside after his fr year. Never happened...

Bogtrotter07
04-09-2013, 07:18 AM
Now that we have that settled!

Ironman8
06-11-2013, 04:22 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23CFBLIVE">#CFBLIVE</a>: Matt Millen's Top 2013 LBs:#4. Prince Shembo, @<a href="https://twitter.com/notredame">notredame</a> <a href="http://t.co/LfTnZ2jWj9" title="http://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/344548202445418496/photo/1">twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status…</a></p>&mdash; ESPN CollegeFootball (@ESPNCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/344548202445418496">June 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Me2SouthBend
06-11-2013, 04:23 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23CFBLIVE">#CFBLIVE</a>: Matt Millen's Top 2013 LBs:#4. Prince Shembo, @<a href="https://twitter.com/notredame">notredame</a> <a href="http://t.co/LfTnZ2jWj9" title="http://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/344548202445418496/photo/1">twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status…</a></p>&mdash; ESPN CollegeFootball (@ESPNCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/344548202445418496">June 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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The Darkhorse at #1? Carlo.

Old Man Mike
06-11-2013, 06:53 PM
I believe that if Notre Dame fans meditate on this for just a moment they will have several illuminating thoughts:

1). Matt Millen was a GREAT linebacker; he knows linebackers. What he is saying is that The Prince is an All-American. This FACT should convince the last conservatives that Notre Dame's defense this year is a monster beyond hoping for. We are going to slobberknock almost everybody. It is not at all beyond my imagination that we will be playing as many as five AAs on defense, and at least three more players who would start nearly anywhere and be leaders.

2). So one of the best linebacker analysts judges The Prince to be AA --- what does that say about IWilliams' situation? I say that it not only has but will limit his playing time and Ishaq has known it. Given such a situation, it takes a very tough-minded person to go out there and do the hard things to reach your potential. I don't see Ishaq as being tough enough in the face of Prince's hold on the position to have progressed as he should have.

I hope that Ishaq has grown up now that he's past the midway of his college days.

Luckylucci
06-11-2013, 07:05 PM
Well said OMM. I expect big things from Shembo this year. I think Ishaq is growing and in time will be something special but it's Shembo's time. Ishaq's next year!

Ironman8
06-12-2013, 09:36 AM
Millen's Top 5 Linebackers - ESPN Video - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9368040)

Bogtrotter07
06-12-2013, 11:15 AM
I believe that if Notre Dame fans meditate on this for just a moment they will have several illuminating thoughts:

1). Matt Millen was a GREAT linebacker; he knows linebackers. What he is saying is that The Prince is an All-American. This FACT should convince the last conservatives that Notre Dame's defense this year is a monster beyond hoping for. We are going to slobberknock almost everybody. It is not at all beyond my imagination that we will be playing as many as five AAs on defense, and at least three more players who would start nearly anywhere and be leaders.

2). So one of the best linebacker analysts judges The Prince to be AA --- what does that say about IWilliams' situation? I say that it not only has but will limit his playing time and Ishaq has known it. Given such a situation, it takes a very tough-minded person to go out there and do the hard things to reach your potential. I don't see Ishaq as being tough enough in the face of Prince's hold on the position to have progressed as he should have.

I hope that Ishaq has grown up now that he's past the midway of his college days.

Agreed.

And I guess my argument that we would have eight elite between defensive linemen and outside linebackers just got a boost. I really feel looking at it that our second team may be in the top ten in the country, separate from our first team.

Old Man Mike
06-12-2013, 01:08 PM
I don't know how good our second team DLine is at this stage, especially with the defection of Vanderdoes, though I feel that Schwenke, Springmann, Utupo, Hounshell {if healthy}, Okwara {if playing there}, Rabasa, Rochell, Matuska, and even sleepin' Jarron Jones would make a pretty good DLine as an aggregate on the majority of FCS teams.

But I might just be crazy enough to agree with you on our second team linebackers. IWilliams, Calabreese, and Councell are good enough that they can barely be kept off the field by the starters. That leaves just one spot. Can you say "Jaylon Smith"? Or Michael Deeb? Or Doug Randolph?

I think that if almost any team could get a package from Diaco labeled " Jaylon Smith+ Ben Councell+ Carlo Calabreese+ Ishaq Williams", they'd faint.

This coming year We Good, Boys.

PANDFAN
06-12-2013, 01:32 PM
maybe I'm in the minority but i don't understand how people feel so great and confident in our 2nd team could be starting on other teams...just my opinion but i don't think anyone has proven anything other than carlo is what he is...serviceable

Jaylon Smith(unreal HIGH SCHOOL athlete no college experience)+ Ben Councell(played sparingly no major impact)+ Carlo Calabreese(improved, yes but can't start as a 5th year...i know him and fox rotate)+ Ishaq Williams(again played sparingly no major impact)

Old Man Mike
06-12-2013, 01:46 PM
We believe that because the staff has said tons of positives about all of them.

PANDFAN
06-12-2013, 01:55 PM
We believe that because the staff has said tons of positives about all of them.

i agree with that...but they are not going to speak to the media trashing them...i mean even Moore who can't seem to get it...BK said several positives before stating that "we just need him to hit the right people"....doing it in practice and proving it during games are two different things...look forward to them progressing as a unit on the field

Bogtrotter07
06-12-2013, 02:00 PM
Been to a practice? See Counsel's closing speed. See how good some of these guys are in coverage. See how well they use their hands, and how hard they hit.

BeauBenken
06-12-2013, 03:07 PM
That's a heck of a group of guys to be ranked ahead of too.

Shembo really is one heck of a linebacker and an athlete. Watching him practices he looks like he just moves effortlessly.

Bogtrotter07
06-12-2013, 03:19 PM
That's a heck of a group of guys to be ranked ahead of too.

Shembo really is one heck of a linebacker and an athlete. Watching him practices he looks like he just moves effortlessly.

The coolest thing about Shembo is how he can turn big offensive linemen on their ears.

nsideirish
06-12-2013, 03:23 PM
maybe I'm in the minority but i don't understand how people feel so great and confident in our 2nd team could be starting on other teams...just my opinion but i don't think anyone has proven anything other than carlo is what he is...serviceable

Jaylon Smith(unreal HIGH SCHOOL athlete no college experience)+ Ben Councell(played sparingly no major impact)+ Carlo Calabreese(improved, yes but can't start as a 5th year...i know him and fox rotate)+ Ishaq Williams(again played sparingly no major impact)

Agreed. While I think there is a TON of potential with that second group, it's a bit premature to say some of the things that have been said.

Junkhead
06-12-2013, 03:36 PM
This coming year We Good, Boys.

At least on Defense.

Whiskeyjack
06-12-2013, 03:47 PM
This coming year We Good, Boys.

Is it too early to start panicking over 2014? We lose 5 starters and 2 key backups from our front seven.

BobD
06-12-2013, 04:25 PM
Is it too early to start panicking over 2014? We lose 5 starters and 2 key backups from our front seven.

http://soowhatnow.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/hair-on-fire.jpg

chicago51
06-12-2013, 04:50 PM
Is it too early to start panicking over 2014? We lose 5 starters and 2 key backups from our front seven.

This is the perfect time to panic

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Bogtrotter07
06-13-2013, 08:52 AM
Seriously. Williams looks like a stud but Carter looks like the best edge rusher prospect in years IMO and Jaylon IMO is a potential Von Miller type level talent.

I think the ceiling for Williams is that which Prince Shembo would have had if he had ideal measurables. And Prince would be a 1st rounder without a doubt if he he was 6'4"+.

Prince will be a first rounder. Matt Millen picked him as number 4 linebacker. With this years performance he will cement it. Remember the way he has of tossing very large O-linemen. He got that guy at MSU and Taylor Lewan two weeks in a row. He is the CAT!

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GoldenToTheGrave
06-13-2013, 12:56 PM
Prince will be a first rounder. Matt Millen picked him as number 4 linebacker. With this years performance he will cement it. Remember the way he has of tossing very large O-linemen. He got that guy at MSU and Taylor Lewan two weeks in a row. He is the CAT!

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Well I just checked out Melvin Ingram who has a similar frame/profile as Prince and perhaps you're right, although Prince is probably a notch below Ingram as a prospect (although I can't say I watched much of Ingram play in college). IMO Prince will probably fall to the 2nd round but could get into the 1st if a team likes him.

Just that with a rush LB with less than ideal length it's tough. That fact makes Prince even more impressive but will hurt him in the draft.

Bogtrotter07
06-13-2013, 12:59 PM
Well I just checked out Melvin Ingram who has a similar frame/profile as Prince and perhaps you're right, although Prince is probably a notch below Ingram as a prospect (although I can't say I watched much of Ingram play in college). IMO Prince will probably fall to the 2nd round but could get into the 1st if a team likes him.

Just that with a rush LB with less than ideal length it's tough. That fact makes Prince even more impressive but will hurt him in the draft.

Check Princes thread, Matt Millen evaluation. Matt Millen is calling him Number 4. That would be AA. With the way I expect the defense to play, Prince may be beneficiary of the good PR!

koonja
06-13-2013, 01:03 PM
Ill empty my vbucks that prince is not a first rounder. Nothing against him and he's a great player, but he's not first round talent IMO.

Luckylucci
06-13-2013, 01:04 PM
While I think Prince will have a very good year and have a solid career ahead of him. Keep in mind that during Millen's segment there were probably 8-10 guys that were on the board that he said are just as good as some that he chose but he expects the ones that he chose to have bigger seasons. So part of the selection was not current production or evaluation but expected future success. Therefore Shembo will have to have a very good season to stay there, which I think he can. With that said he'll have to better than last year.

Kaneyoufeelit
06-13-2013, 01:06 PM
I love Prince but I don't think he is even close to a first rounder, though I would love to be proven wrong. And using Matt Millen as a source to support a position doesn't really do much because Matt Millen is a joke.

Sherm Sticky
06-13-2013, 01:14 PM
I love Prince but I don't think he is even close to a first rounder, though I would love to be proven wrong. And using Matt Millen as a source to support a position doesn't really do much because Matt Millen is a joke.
Scouts, Inc. Kevin Weidl stated in the NC game that Bama ran a way from Tuitt and at Prince. that's where they had their success.

IrishLax
06-13-2013, 01:16 PM
If Shembo came out last year he was looking at 3rd to 6th round range. I could easily see him becoming a 2nd round pick. 1st round? Really doubtful.

T Town Tommy
06-13-2013, 01:17 PM
There is a reason Matt Millen sucked as a GM in the NFL. Nothing against Prince but I see him early mid rounds.

dwshade
06-13-2013, 01:34 PM
Ill empty my vbucks that prince is not a first rounder. Nothing against him and he's a great player, but he's not first round talent IMO.

As of now Shembo would be a projected 3rd rounder. But he could easily move up with a great season.

Ricochet
06-13-2013, 01:40 PM
Shembo is a nice player, he's been good not great people. Some here need to get honest with themselves and take off those blue and gold colored glasses and be objective rather than just a homer that's blindly loyal.

Shembo is a best with a great season a 3rd round pick.

This reminds me of last off season when the were poster saying that C. Wood wasn't going to come back for his final year of eligibility because he was one of the best RBs and that he could go as early as the late first round. As time went on it became mid 2nd and no later than the 3rd round yet these posters/fans didn't want to hear what talent evaluators had to say from the get go that he was at best a 6th rounder and what do you know he didn't get drafted.

As for Andrew Williams he could surprise and be a game changing talent but odds are vastly against that being the case. He would be a nice get, a good player that I want ND to get but let's get real and realize he's nowhere near the talent that let's say a Lorenzo Carter is.

That's not a slight it's just reality. True game changing talent is very rare and most of those 5 stars won't be the player there potential says they could be. There will be some surprises from players because they were late bloomer or just being overlooked because they came from a non football power state or from a small school that player against suspect competition and whatnot.

Son of Kenmare
06-13-2013, 01:47 PM
For those of you who can't find Prince's page.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/2010-recruiting-profiles/42108-10-nc-de-prince-shembo-notre-dame-signee.html

Feel free to follow the link

dwshade
06-13-2013, 01:49 PM
Scouts, Inc. Kevin Weidl stated in the NC game that Bama ran a way from Tuitt and at Prince. that's where they had their success.

Terrible analysis given that Tuitt is a 300 pound 3-4 DE and Shembo is a 250 pound 3-4 OLB. If they were running away from Tuitt it was towards KLM not Shembo.

Buster Bluth
06-13-2013, 03:49 PM
Shembo is a nice player, he's been good not great people. Some here need to get honest with themselves and take off those blue and gold colored glasses and be objective rather than just a homer that's blindly loyal.

Well, he's no Junior Seau, but that's okay. Shembo does a fantactic job with his responsibilities within the defense, and is thus a fantastic CAT. He played last season at what I would call a "1st-team all-conference" level.

Shembo is a best with a great season a 3rd round pick.

Well I'll disagree, but that's moot anyway because college football and production is much different than the NFL.

This reminds me of last off season when the were poster saying that C. Wood wasn't going to come back for his final year of eligibility because he was one of the best RBs and that he could go as early as the late first round. As time went on it became mid 2nd and no later than the 3rd round yet these posters/fans didn't want to hear what talent evaluators had to say from the get go that he was at best a 6th rounder and what do you know he didn't get drafted.

Plenty of people, "talent evaluators" including, had him in a group of running backs shy of an elite level. You haven't seen Cierre pan out, maybe we saw a 2012 campaign that was the trough (compared to the 2011 crest) that is Cierre Wood's wave. We just don't know. That doesn't mean the read on him being in the group of backs to keep an eye on (after two straight seasons of growing upon successes) was the wrong way to look at it.

As for Andrew Williams he could surprise and be a game changing talent but odds are vastly against that being the case. He would be a nice get, a good player that I want ND to get but let's get real and realize he's nowhere near the talent that let's say a Lorenzo Carter is.

That's not a slight it's just reality. True game changing talent is very rare and most of those 5 stars won't be the player there potential says they could be. There will be some surprises from players because they were late bloomer or just being overlooked because they came from a non football power state or from a small school that player against suspect competition and whatnot.

I think a wiser approach is to recognize that we don't know anything about the future. Fans should be humble. I don't think it's a matter of Williams being the LeBron James of football, it's how well he can play CAT within the defense. That's what makes good teams. So much of this recruiting bullshit doesn't take into account the roles the coaches are sizing someone up for, and that variable throws everything off completely.

Bogtrotter07
06-13-2013, 04:09 PM
Ill empty my vbucks that prince is not a first rounder. Nothing against him and he's a great player, but he's not first round talent IMO.

Twenty-eight million it is. Let's set this fixed amount. And make it official.


Now that we have a bet, let me tell you how serious I consider it. It is a covenant. Between us. Since this bet will not be executed until next April, do not dare let your net worth drop below 28M. That gives you 900K leeway. If it drops below that, expect me to come looking for my vcash. Wiskey isn't too far for me to travel. Nobody front the money.



I like Bogs, Y or N.

(Circle one.)


And by the way what is this blue and gold colored glasses, crap? I believed we had eight truly elite down linemen and os linebackers, last spring. The problem in the natty wasn't an OS linebackers play. It was the coaching. The staff inverted one of the defensive ends and did not adjust by moving a linebacker over. So there was a gap where an OS linebacker should have been. I have one 28 M bet for Shembo any more takers? I will do bets down to 5 M.

koonja
06-13-2013, 04:41 PM
Twenty-eight million it is. Let's set this fixed amount. And make it official.


Now that we have a bet, let me tell you how serious I consider it. It is a covenant. Between us. Since this bet will not be executed until next April, do not dare let your net worth drop below 28M. That gives you 900K leeway. If it drops below that, expect me to come looking for my vcash. Wiskey isn't too far for me to travel. Nobody front the money.



I like Bogs, Y or N.

(Circle one.)


And by the way what is this blue and gold colored glasses, crap? I believed we had eight truly elite down linemen and os linebackers, last spring. The problem in the natty wasn't an OS linebackers play. It was the coaching. The staff inverted one of the defensive ends and did not adjust by moving a linebacker over. So there was a gap where an OS linebacker should have been. I have one 28 M bet for Shembo any more takers? I will do bets down to 5 M.

I'm currently in the middle of a vbet for 15 million on whether yeargin commits this month. Since he may not, I can't guarantee that ill have 28 million. However, if he does, ill bet whatever you want that Shembo is not a first round pick. You can choose between 28 million or all of my loot at that point, I'm fine with either.

Te'o4Heisman
06-13-2013, 04:45 PM
Twenty-eight million it is. Let's set this fixed amount. And make it official.


Now that we have a bet, let me tell you how serious I consider it. It is a covenant. Between us. Since this bet will not be executed until next April, do not dare let your net worth drop below 28M. That gives you 900K leeway. If it drops below that, expect me to come looking for my vcash. Wiskey isn't too far for me to travel. Nobody front the money.



I like Bogs, Y or N.

(Circle one.)


And by the way what is this blue and gold colored glasses, crap? I believed we had eight truly elite down linemen and os linebackers, last spring. The problem in the natty wasn't an OS linebackers play. It was the coaching. The staff inverted one of the defensive ends and did not adjust by moving a linebacker over. So there was a gap where an OS linebacker should have been. I have one 28 M bet for Shembo any more takers? I will do bets down to 5 M.

Put me down for $5M. Wish I had more, but glad I can meet the minimum!

koonja
06-13-2013, 04:49 PM
I'm currently in the middle of a vbet for 15 million on whether yeargin commits this month. Since he may not, I can't guarantee that ill have 28 million. However, if he does, ill bet whatever you want that Shembo is not a first round pick. You can choose between 28 million or all of my loot at that point, I'm fine with either.

After a generous gift from NDBoiler, I can guarantee myself for the 28 million. It's on like donkey kong.

Luckylucci
06-13-2013, 04:50 PM
Lets get the Shembo talk in here.

Domina Nostra
06-13-2013, 05:03 PM
I'll go all in on whatever amount I have at the time that he does not go in the first round.

I guess its possible since he is an edge rusher, but he'd have to have an absolutely monster year.

Bogtrotter07
06-13-2013, 05:11 PM
Now didn't I say that you had to have your own money for this bet? I will do 42 M with you, or nothing. The 28 someone else gave you and the remainder that you would have if you lose the Yeargin bet, which should be around 13 M.

koonja
06-13-2013, 05:27 PM
Now didn't I say that you had to have your own money for this bet? I will do 42 M with you, or nothing. The 28 someone else gave you and the remainder that you would have if you lose the Yeargin bet, which should be around 13 M.

To be fair, I didn't ask for it. And if I win he'll be paid back, lol.

Bogs, I really don't care what we bet. Tim Tebow has as good of a chance at beating out Brady as Shembo does of going in the 1st round.

Old Man Mike
06-13-2013, 06:42 PM
"Reckless vBetters". Breathtaking.

Luckylucci
06-13-2013, 06:58 PM
Put me down for thinking Shembo has a very good year this year. However, for him to go in the first round he is going to have to be insanely productive, we're talking 12+ sacks, 17+ TFL. The reason I say that is because I don't think he's necessarily going to test all that well. Remember Chase Thomas went undrafted and that guy was crazy productive. So, I'm going with round 3.

Bogtrotter07
06-13-2013, 07:26 PM
1. Jamie Collins, Southern Miss, 2012 stats: 12 games, 92 tackles (20 for loss), 10 sacks, 4 forced fumbles vertical (41.5 inches) and broad jumps (11'7).

2. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers, 2012 stats: 13 games, 136 tackles (12 for loss), 6 sacks, 6 forced fumbles, 2 interceptions

3. Sio Moore, Connecticut, 2012 stats: 12 games, 72 tackles (15.5 for loss), 7.5 sacks

4. Brandon Jenkins, Florida State, 2012 stats: 1 game, 3 tackles, 1 sack

5. Chase Thomas, Stanford, 2012 stats: 14 games, 71 tackles (15.5 for loss), 7.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 interception

Luckylucci
06-13-2013, 07:42 PM
Should have specified, for his career he had 50.5 TFL and 27.5 sacks.

Sherm Sticky
06-13-2013, 07:48 PM
Terrible analysis given that Tuitt is a 300 pound 3-4 DE and Shembo is a 250 pound 3-4 OLB. If they were running away from Tuitt it was towards KLM not Shembo.
I think you are forgetting that KLM missed three quarters of the game.

BTW do you watch the coaches tape and analyse the tape for a living?

dwshade
06-13-2013, 08:41 PM
Shembo is a 3-4 OLB so any comparison to Tuitt is an absurd one. Shembo is a 3rd rounder with the chance of imroving his stock as the season progresses.

NDinL.A.
06-13-2013, 09:58 PM
Twenty-eight million it is. Let's set this fixed amount. And make it official.


Now that we have a bet, let me tell you how serious I consider it. It is a covenant. Between us. Since this bet will not be executed until next April, do not dare let your net worth drop below 28M. That gives you 900K leeway. If it drops below that, expect me to come looking for my vcash. Wiskey isn't too far for me to travel. Nobody front the money.



I like Bogs, Y or N.

(Circle one.)


And by the way what is this blue and gold colored glasses, crap? I believed we had eight truly elite down linemen and os linebackers, last spring. The problem in the natty wasn't an OS linebackers play. It was the coaching. The staff inverted one of the defensive ends and did not adjust by moving a linebacker over. So there was a gap where an OS linebacker should have been. I have one 28 M bet for Shembo any more takers? I will do bets down to 5 M.

I'm sure I'm on his ignore list, but someone can get this message to bogs. I'm down for 10 million.

dwshade
06-13-2013, 10:39 PM
Shembo is a nice player, he's been good not great people. Some here need to get honest with themselves and take off those blue and gold colored glasses and be objective rather than just a homer that's blindly loyal.

Shembo is a best with a great season a 3rd round pick.

This reminds me of last off season when the were poster saying that C. Wood wasn't going to come back for his final year of eligibility because he was one of the best RBs and that he could go as early as the late first round. As time went on it became mid 2nd and no later than the 3rd round yet these posters/fans didn't want to hear what talent evaluators had to say from the get go that he was at best a 6th rounder and what do you know he didn't get drafted.

As for Andrew Williams he could surprise and be a game changing talent but odds are vastly against that being the case. He would be a nice get, a good player that I want ND to get but let's get real and realize he's nowhere near the talent that let's say a Lorenzo Carter is.

That's not a slight it's just reality. True game changing talent is very rare and most of those 5 stars won't be the player there potential says they could be. There will be some surprises from players because they were late bloomer or just being overlooked because they came from a non football power state or from a small school that player against suspect competition and whatnot.


Trying to guage where someone will go in next May's draft is complete guesswork right now. Last year at this time Matt Barkley and T.J. McDonald of USC were considered locks for the top of the 1st round. Neither came close to first round. On the other hand if someone had suggested Eric Fisher from Central Michigan would have been the 1st player taken they would have been laughed at. Or Ezekiel Ansah. A year ago no one had a clue who he was, not even NFL scouts. Ends up going 5th in the draft.

koonja
06-13-2013, 10:44 PM
Ishaq has a better chance of being drafted in the 1st round this year than Shembo.

LoveThee
06-13-2013, 10:49 PM
Ishaq has a better chance of being drafted in the 1st round this year than Shembo.

Laughable! Come on kuehnja, this use of hyperbole is going to diminish your credibility

koonja
06-13-2013, 10:53 PM
Laughable! Come on kuehnja, this use of hyperbole is going to diminish your credibility

What credibility? Yolo.

But seriously, it's absolutely true IMO. In fact, there's even a mach draft that has Ishaq going ~ number 30 overall. Highly unlikely, but I think he's going to have a monster year.

LoveThee
06-13-2013, 10:54 PM
What credibility? Yolo.

I laughed. I would rep you but I've done it too much the last 24 hours haha

Bogtrotter07
06-14-2013, 08:52 AM
What credibility? Yolo.

But seriously, it's absolutely true IMO. In fact, there's even a mach draft that has Ishaq going ~ number 30 overall. Highly unlikely, but I think he's going to have a monster year.

Of course Ishaq has another year of eligibility, over Prince, (Prince has one Ishaq has two), and this is the year Clowney and Tuitt are expected to come out. Seeing as everyone is interested in Williams primarily for his pass rush abilities, or at least that is what I have seen, I doubt he comes out a year early. IW leaving it in the extra year, could be a perfect example of someone helping themselves. And finally about Ishaq, the money in the NFL is with good edge rushers. So I think that locks up IW's conversion back to end.

Back to Prince. I have talked to a couple of people who talk about Princes fluid strength, and how that is just what the NFL salivates over. Now Matt Millen calls Prince # 4.

His '12 stats, 51 tackles (22 unassisted), with 10.5 stops resulting in a loss and 7.5 sacks, put him in line with the second round picks of a year ago, didn't it? No fluke sophomore year, 31 tackles, with 3 stops resulting in a loss and 2 sacks, and freshman year 15 tackles, 6 unassisted, 5 tackles for a loss, 4.5 sacks, and 1 forced fumble. His freshman year five linebackers lined up for more snaps.

In my opinion, this shows a guy that has it from the start, a guy who's stats are going the right direction, which makes him a guy to watch, that is poised for a big jump forward in performance. Finally, I am not trying to cop out, but Princes stats are more impressive in ND's no crease defense. I don't think Diaco's defense is a statistic builder like a lot of defenses are for outside linebackers. But I do think Prince's value goes up for the NFL for playing in this defensive configuration.

GoIrish41
06-14-2013, 09:19 AM
Of course Ishaq has another year of eligibility, over Prince, (Prince has one Ishaq has two), and this is the year Clowney and Tuitt are expected to come out. Seeing as everyone is interested in Williams primarily for his pass rush abilities, or at least that is what I have seen, I doubt he comes out a year early. IW leaving it in the extra year, could be a perfect example of someone helping themselves. And finally about Ishaq, the money in the NFL is with good edge rushers. So I think that locks up IW's conversion back to end.

Back to Prince. I have talked to a couple of people who talk about Princes fluid strength, and how that is just what the NFL salivates over. Now Matt Millen calls Prince # 4.

His '12 stats, 51 tackles (22 unassisted), with 10.5 stops resulting in a loss and 7.5 sacks, put him in line with the second round picks of a year ago, didn't it? No fluke sophomore year, 31 tackles, with 3 stops resulting in a loss and 2 sacks, and freshman year 15 tackles, 6 unassisted, 5 tackles for a loss, 4.5 sacks, and 1 forced fumble. His freshman year five linebackers lined up for more snaps.

In my opinion, this shows a guy that has it from the start, a guy who's stats are going the right direction, which makes him a guy to watch, that is poised for a big jump forward in performance. Finally, I am not trying to cop out, but Princes stats are more impressive in ND's no crease defense. I don't think Diaco's defense is a statistic builder like a lot of defenses are for outside linebackers. But I do think Prince's value goes up for the NFL for playing in this defensive configuration.

where did the number 4 LB go in last year's draft?

Bogtrotter07
06-14-2013, 09:31 AM
where did the number 4 LB go in last year's draft?

Manti was only like the third LB taken in the draft. People talked about Manti's slide, but it was really linebackers in general. Which is one of the reasons I think more will be taken earlier in '14.

In '13 like a zillion OT's were taken, including one from the MAC as the first draft choice!

IHateMarkMay
06-14-2013, 09:52 AM
It seems OLBs go quicker than MLB though...

Luckylucci
06-14-2013, 10:21 AM
Keep in mind that there are guys that will go ahead of Shembo that Millen didn't talk about like Kyle Van Noy. Most likely Anthony Barr will be drafted in front of Shembo.

dublinirish
06-14-2013, 10:22 AM
Keep in mind that there are guys that will go ahead of Shembo that Millen didn't talk about like Kyle Van Noy. Most likely Anthony Barr will be drafted in front of Shembo.

plus some guys we never heard of yet ala Ziggy Ansah but have "unlimited potential"

GoIrish41
06-14-2013, 10:28 AM
Manti was only like the third LB taken in the draft. People talked about Manti's slide, but it was really linebackers in general. Which is one of the reasons I think more will be taken earlier in '14.

In '13 like a zillion OT's were taken, including one from the MAC as the first draft choice!

LBs taken in the 1st round over the past four years

2010 - K. McClain and Sean Witherspoon
2011 - Vonn Miller
2012 - Kuechly, Bruce Irvin, Shea McLellin, Donte Hightower
2013 - Jarvis Jones and Ogletree

Last year was fairly typical for LBs. Indeed, if Shembo is LB #4 and gets drafted in the first round, that would be the exception to the rule. He would have to have an off-the-charts kind of year to make it into the first round, IMHO

PANDFAN
06-14-2013, 10:37 AM
LBs taken in the 1st round over the past four years

2010 - K. McClain and Sean Witherspoon
2011 - Vonn Miller
2012 - Kuechly, Bruce Irvin, Shea McLellin, Donte Hightower
2013 - Jarvis Jones and Ogletree

Last year was fairly typical for LBs. Indeed, if Shembo is LB #4 and gets drafted in the first round, that would be the exception to the rule. He would have to have an off-the-charts kind of year to make it into the first round, IMHO

these guys were difference makers..Prince hasn't been...

GoIrish41
06-14-2013, 10:38 AM
these guys were difference makers..Prince hasn't been...

I agree. Prince will have to absolutely go off this year to slip into the first round.

GoldenToTheGrave
06-14-2013, 10:53 AM
Ishaq has a better chance of being drafted in the 1st round this year than Shembo.

Perhaps. My original point earlier is that Shembo is undersized for a rush LB position, which IMO keeps him out of the 1st round. However the gold standard of recent players with a similar profile to Shembo would be Melvin Ingram, who had 15 TFL (vs 10.5 for Shembo) and 10 sacks (vs 7.5) in his final year. Ingram went #16 overall with significantly more production, which makes me think Shembo doesn't make it into the 1st. I don't see him falling out of the 3rd however.

PANDFAN
06-14-2013, 11:06 AM
another thing that Manti got flack for was being completely outclassed and missing in action against Bama....where was Prince??? same thing as the commentators kept showing replays of him just getting swallowed up and overpowered on numerous occasions....the same crap will be said unless he goes HAM this year

Sherm Sticky
06-14-2013, 02:35 PM
Ishaq has a better chance of being drafted in the 1st round this year than Shembo.
I actually agree with this. If Ishaq were to come out after this year, I don't think he will, he would get drafted a head of Prince.

Sherm Sticky
06-14-2013, 02:37 PM
Shembo is a 3-4 OLB so any comparison to Tuitt is an absurd one. Shembo is a 3rd rounder with the chance of imroving his stock as the season progresses.
I think you are misunderstanding what was stated. No one is comparing Shembo to Tuitt, they are completely different players. All that was said is the Alabama ran out Shembo and away from Tuitt in the NC game.

Domina Nostra
06-14-2013, 02:49 PM
I actually agree that Shembo has at least a chance of getting to the first round. Its a passing league, and that means the NFL loves LTs, QBs, and pass rushers. Shembo is a good pass rusher. If he puts up big numbers this year, it's possible he goes in the first.

Of course I doubt it happens, but it could, escpecially if we release the hounds more often due to our new found glut of quality DBs.

IrishLax
06-14-2013, 03:19 PM
another thing that Manti got flack for was being completely outclassed and missing in action against Bama....where was Prince??? same thing as the commentators kept showing replays of him just getting swallowed up and overpowered on numerous occasions....the same crap will be said unless he goes HAM this year

Jarvis Jones got run over RIDICULOUS amounts against Bama... still went in the first round. At the end of the day, everyone was looking for an excuse to drop Manti down out of the first and no one wanted to take him in the first because of the PR angle. Your first round pick is the face of your franchise and Te'o would've been one heck of a bad "face" at the time... it's the kind of decision that could get a GM fired if he was a bust. The Chargers, consequently, luck out and grab him early 2nd.

So I really doubt that Shembo getting blasted by Bama will end up having any bearing on his draft status. What he needs are more TFL and sacks to get into the 1st/2nd round. Production is where it is at for pass rushers that don't have wowing physical traits like a Dion Jordan.

NDWorld247
06-14-2013, 03:25 PM
LBs taken in the 1st round over the past four years

2010 - K. McClain and Sean Witherspoon
2011 - Vonn Miller
2012 - Kuechly, Bruce Irvin, Shea McLellin, Donte Hightower
2013 - Jarvis Jones and Ogletree

Last year was fairly typical for LBs. Indeed, if Shembo is LB #4 and gets drafted in the first round, that would be the exception to the rule. He would have to have an off-the-charts kind of year to make it into the first round, IMHO

I think you have to add Jordan, Mingo and even Werner to this list as they will all play OLB in 3-4 defenses in the NFL.

Shembo will also likely raise his stock through a strong combine performance. I don't know his numbers now, but my guess is he is at or near the top of OLB performers in a number of categories come next February.

With that said, I don't think he ends up in the first round. I could see him going around the same spot that Jamie Collins (Rd. 2, #52 overall) did last year.

dwshade
06-14-2013, 03:43 PM
Perhaps. My original point earlier is that Shembo is undersized for a rush LB position, which IMO keeps him out of the 1st round. However the gold standard of recent players with a similar profile to Shembo would be Melvin Ingram, who had 15 TFL (vs 10.5 for Shembo) and 10 sacks (vs 7.5) in his final year. Ingram went #16 overall with significantly more production, which makes me think Shembo doesn't make it into the 1st. I don't see him falling out of the 3rd however.

Actually Prince at 6-2, 250 is not undersized for the position. As a comparison Jarvis Jones is 6-2, 245, Von Miller 6-3, 240, Clay Matthews 6-3, 250, Elvis Dumervil 5-11, 255, Justin Houston 6-3, 250. What he needs to work on to improve is status is something other than a bull rush in pass rushing. More variety in pass rushing skills.

Luckylucci
06-14-2013, 03:52 PM
Agreed, thats what will decide whether he has a great season or another good season. Also, I'm not sure he has the speed that some of those guys do. I actually have no idea what he runs but he plays slower than a lot of those guys IMO.

dwshade
06-14-2013, 03:53 PM
I think you have to add Jordan, Mingo and even Werner to this list as they will all play OLB in 3-4 defenses in the NFL.

Shembo will also likely raise his stock through a strong combine performance. I don't know his numbers now, but my guess is he is at or near the top of OLB performers in a number of categories come next February.

With that said, I don't think he ends up in the first round. I could see him going around the same spot that Jamie Collins (Rd. 2, #52 overall) did last year.


Absolutely correct about adding Jordan, Mingo and Werner. I'd say there are 5 OLB locks for 1st round next year, Anthony Barr, C.J. Mosley, Kyle Van Noy, Morgan Breslin and Jackson Jeffcoat.

Bogtrotter07
06-14-2013, 05:45 PM
Had lunch with a guy today. Explained things to me. Certain positions go quick. Others not so much. He said when you talk LB's you talk first two rounds as a group, then three and four, then five/six. The trend is LB's just don't go early anymore. Where with defensive ends and nose guards a distinction between rounds one and two could be significant. That is what is in demand, pass rushers and middle cloggers!

He also said their are some specialty players in the draft, and that declare early for the draft that may pack the board at the top.

He said he thought that a fair statement might be that few players, if anyone, are in the position to see their stock rise as much, or as high as Prince Shembo. With the Manti talk last year, and all eyes on the defensive backfield, he was in the shadows, he has what the NFL loves in terms of athletic ability, and solid technique, and he has the attitude. With a great year, he is going to be at or near the top of everyone's list.

Domina Nostra
06-14-2013, 06:37 PM
Had lunch with a guy today. Explained things to me. Certain positions go quick. Others not so much. He said when you talk LB's you talk first two rounds as a group, then three and four, then five/six. The trend is LB's just don't go early anymore. Where with defensive ends and nose guards a distinction between rounds one and two could be significant. That is what is in demand, pass rushers and middle cloggers!

He also said their are some specialty players in the draft, and that declare early for the draft that may pack the board at the top.

He said he thought that a fair statement might be that few players, if anyone, are in the position to see their stock rise as much, or as high as Prince Shembo. With the Manti talk last year, and all eyes on the defensive backfield, he was in the shadows, he has what the NFL loves in terms of athletic ability, and solid technique, and he has the attitude. With a great year, he is going to be at or near the top of everyone's list.

There has been a trend of taking OLBs with the potnetial to get to the QB earlier.

Tuitt, Nix, and the DBs are going to give a lot more flexibility to rush Prince this year.

dwshade
06-14-2013, 06:38 PM
Had lunch with a guy today. Explained things to me. Certain positions go quick. Others not so much. He said when you talk LB's you talk first two rounds as a group, then three and four, then five/six. The trend is LB's just don't go early anymore. Where with defensive ends and nose guards a distinction between rounds one and two could be significant. That is what is in demand, pass rushers and middle cloggers!

He also said their are some specialty players in the draft, and that declare early for the draft that may pack the board at the top.

He said he thought that a fair statement might be that few players, if anyone, are in the position to see their stock rise as much, or as high as Prince Shembo. With the Manti talk last year, and all eyes on the defensive backfield, he was in the shadows, he has what the NFL loves in terms of athletic ability, and solid technique, and he has the attitude. With a great year, he is going to be at or near the top of everyone's list.


I would agree ILB's don't go high but pass rushing OLB's especially the 3-4 variety are very much in demand. Key positions in demand now are pass rushers, cover corners and OT's who can protect the QB. Of course franchise QB's as a need is a given. I'll be excited to watch Shembo this year. Stock could really rise. Scouts already love that he plays fearlessly and with "swagger."

dwshade
06-14-2013, 06:45 PM
Agreed, thats what will decide whether he has a great season or another good season. Also, I'm not sure he has the speed that some of those guys do. I actually have no idea what he runs but he plays slower than a lot of those guys IMO.

It's not so much speed as it is explosion and quickness. Jarvis Jones ran a 4.9 40 at his pro day. Didn't bother the Steelers a bit due to fact that Jones has great instincts and great explosion. As one scout commented forget his 40 time, from OLB to the QB he plays 4.6.

IHateMarkMay
06-14-2013, 07:06 PM
Had lunch with a guy today. Explained things to me. Certain positions go quick. Others not so much. He said when you talk LB's you talk first two rounds as a group, then three and four, then five/six. The trend is LB's just don't go early anymore. Where with defensive ends and nose guards a distinction between rounds one and two could be significant. That is what is in demand, pass rushers and middle cloggers!

He also said their are some specialty players in the draft, and that declare early for the draft that may pack the board at the top.

He said he thought that a fair statement might be that few players, if anyone, are in the position to see their stock rise as much, or as high as Prince Shembo. With the Manti talk last year, and all eyes on the defensive backfield, he was in the shadows, he has what the NFL loves in terms of athletic ability, and solid technique, and he has the attitude. With a great year, he is going to be at or near the top of everyone's list.

You talk to Trinity on a regular basis?

Luckylucci
06-14-2013, 07:14 PM
It's not so much speed as it is explosion and quickness. Jarvis Jones ran a 4.9 40 at his pro day. Didn't bother the Steelers a bit due to fact that Jones has great instincts and great explosion. As one scout commented forget his 40 time, from OLB to the QB he plays 4.6.

Fair point, but Jarvis has more of what you speak of than Shembo. And his production on the field is substantially higher, 14.5 sacks and 24.5 TFL.

dwshade
06-14-2013, 07:24 PM
No doubt about the production. Jones is a special player.

Irish Insanity
06-14-2013, 08:26 PM
So after reading thru the last few days of this thread, varying opinions have us possibly sending 4 defensive players in the first round of the draft? We better shut out every team we play this year if that's the case.

Grahambo
06-14-2013, 08:31 PM
So after reading thru the last few days of this thread, varying opinions have us possibly sending 4 defensive players in the first round of the draft? We better shut out every team we play this year if that's the case.

The only two 'locks' that I see are Nix and Tuitt.

dwshade
06-14-2013, 09:54 PM
The only two 'locks' that I see are Nix and Tuitt.

Agreed. Jackson and Shembo are 2-3rd round area. Of course we're assuming Tuitt leaves which I'm not convinced of.

Irish Houstonian
06-14-2013, 10:00 PM
The only two 'locks' that I see are Nix and Tuitt.

I guess "lock" is an apt descriptor, but if Nix has a down year and average combine he won't go in the 1st. I don't expect that to happen, but that's the reality.

dwshade
06-14-2013, 10:11 PM
I guess "lock" is an apt descriptor, but if Nix has a down year and average combine he won't go in the 1st. I don't expect that to happen, but that's the reality.

You can say that about any player in the draft.

Irish Insanity
06-14-2013, 10:26 PM
The only two 'locks' that I see are Nix and Tuitt.

I agree, just summing up my last few pages of reading. Lol

Irish Houstonian
06-14-2013, 10:33 PM
You can say that about any player in the draft.

Well, note that I didn't say that about Tuitt...

stlnd01
06-15-2013, 12:35 AM
I'm no NFL talent guru but it seems like the guys who've been what you might call "reach" first round picks lately have been guys with huge upside. Lots of raw talent that some NFL team thinks it can develop. I'm not sure I'd call Prince that.

Like Te'o, he's a multiple-year starter, so he's had time to develop and everyone knows what he can do. He's strong as hell but not unusually athletic, big or fast for his position. He's a great college pass rusher but will that translate in the pros against NFL lineman? And he's nothing special in pass coverage.

It's funny, I started reading this thread at the beginning and he was a three-star recruit with mostly regional offers. He's come a long way from that and I'd think he'll be a second-day pick, but it'll take a hell of a season to climb up into the first round, where NFL GMs like to salivate about the special talents they're picking up. We'll see.