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dales5050
06-04-2015, 12:00 PM
So the San Diego newspaper floated an idea today that if the Chargers move to LA, the Raiders could move to San Diego.

Court the Raiders if Bolts won't play ball | UTSanDiego.com (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/jun/04/raiders-chargers-spanos-mark-davis-carr-rivers/)

The gist is the existing San Diego Stadium, which still needs to be replaced, is better than what Oakland plays at right now. And San Diego may not have enough time to build something new for the Chargers but they could do something in several years for the Raiders.

Anyways...

IF this were to happen, do you think the new team should keep the Raiders name/history or start new.

Personally, I think they would have to start new as the Raiders and their fans are hated in San Diego like no other. You would need a clean break for it to work. But that's a lot of history to go away.....

ACamp1900
06-04-2015, 12:04 PM
The whole thing falls short to me with the notion that The Murph is some huge upgrade on the Oakland Coliseum... it'd be moving from one of the worst venues in pro sports to one of the worst venues in pro sports.

Black Irish
06-04-2015, 12:17 PM
Two questions from the article:

1. Why don't the Chargers just pay for their own damn stadium?

2. Who in the hell cuts Mark Davis' hair? Yeesh.

bkess8
06-04-2015, 12:19 PM
Two questions from the article:

1. Why don't the Chargers just pay for their own damn stadium?

2. Who in the hell cuts Mark Davis' hair? Yeesh.

My buddy just said the same thing! How do you have all that money and you look like your the stunt double on dumb and dumber.

dales5050
06-04-2015, 12:25 PM
Two questions from the article:

1. Why don't the Chargers just pay for their own damn stadium?

2. Who in the hell cuts Mark Davis' hair? Yeesh.


San Diego is a strange..strange place. It's a city but really just a town with a bunch of NIMBYs who oppose everything that costs money but does not benefit them.

Put it this way, Irwin Jacobs (Qualcomm) wanted to put like $100M of his own money into a project for Balboa Park which is a centerpiece like Central Park in NYC but a small faction of NIMBYs blocked it because they thought it would take away from the view of a bridge...which is over an ugly expressway. He pretty much told the city to F Off after that and he and his wife would find other places to give away their Billions.

It's a strange..strange place.

MNIrishman
06-04-2015, 12:25 PM
No team is moving to LA. That market has yielded billions in blackmail. Why would the league ruin a good thing? Every team threatens that move before people agree libraries and schools are less important than companies paying for their own business facilities.

pkt77242
06-04-2015, 12:34 PM
No team is moving to LA. That market has yielded billions in blackmail. Why would the league ruin a good thing? Every team threatens that move before people agree libraries and schools are less important than companies paying for their own business facilities.

I think the Rams are going to LA.

ACamp1900
06-04-2015, 12:39 PM
Someone is definitely moving to LA sooner rather than later... I'm not sure it's a good or bad thing, but it's happening.

dales5050
06-04-2015, 12:40 PM
No team is moving to LA. That market has yielded billions in blackmail. Why would the league ruin a good thing? Every team threatens that move before people agree libraries and schools are less important than companies paying for their own business facilities.

2 years ago I would have agreed but not today.

The number of teams that need new stadiums is a tiny fraction compared to 15 years ago. The blackmail game was real but that card is not what it used to be.

I think now, not having a team in LA is costing the NFL more money than the blackmail card.

stlnd01
06-04-2015, 01:26 PM
I think now, not having a team in LA is costing the NFL more money than the blackmail card.

Bingo.
They might get $400M out of St. Louis. Maybe a comparable sum out of Jacksonville eventually. But the number of cities willing to play that game is shrinking (Oakland just won't, and wake me up when San Diego actually posts the kind of cash they're talking about to keep the Chargers).
Meanwhile the NFL can make a boatload on PSLs and sponsorships in a fancy new stadium in LA, with the proceeds spread across the league through relocation fees. They get a high-profile franchise in the nation's second-biggest market. And if they have to, they can use St. Louis, or London, as the new blackmail city.
Someone will move to LA. Whether it's the Rams or the Chargers is probably really up to the owners at this point. But the Raiders aren't moving to San Diego. That makes no sense.

Irish#1
06-04-2015, 01:26 PM
This isn't so much a team wanting to be in LA as much as it is the NFL wanting a team in LA. They've been trying since the Rams left and for the life of me don't understand the reasoning. The Raiders couldn't make a profit so why would another team be able to? The competition for the entertainment dollar is probably the highest in the country. You have the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Kings, USC, UCLA a dozen other colleges in the general area, the beach, Disneyland, etc., etc.. Plus getting to a venue in LA is the most difficult in the country.

The NFL has done fine without being in LA.

ACamp1900
06-04-2015, 01:28 PM
This isn't so much a team wanting to be in LA as much as it is the NFL wanting a team in LA. They've been trying since the Rams left and for the life of me don't understand the reasoning. The Raiders couldn't make a profit so why would another team be able to? The competition for the entertainment dollar is probably the highest in the country. You have the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Kings, USC, UCLA a dozen other colleges in the general area, the beach, Disneyland, etc., etc.. Plus getting to a venue in LA is the most difficult in the country.

The NFL has done fine without being in LA.

Agreed... you also have the Ducks and Angels within sight of downtown and you have multiple other factors like the Fontana track and numerous resort communities within an hour drive... but yeah, the NFL seems to be dead set.

ndfi78
06-04-2015, 01:34 PM
Fuck that noise, the Raiders need to stay in Oakland.

DomeX2 eNVy
10-12-2016, 07:44 PM
Can we change this thread title to "The Las Vegas Raiders"?

The Nevada Senate approved the bill to provide the public funding of $750 million for a new stadium 16-5. The vote from the NV House of Representatives is scheduled for tomorrow and is expected to meet the 2/3 majority required for a tax increase which is in the bill. The Governor will sign it - since he bothered to call a special session of the Legislature for this.

If all goes as planned tomorrow, the final step will be for the NFL owners to approve it with a 3/4 majority vote in Jan or Feb '17. My guess is this will happen and Oakland will not come up with as compelling a plan (to the commissioner's dismay) and the Raiders move in 2020.

ACamp1900
10-12-2016, 09:13 PM
2020?? Hmmm, without reading too much into the details all I can think of is how bad the home games will get with THAT fan base if an impending is announced years before it goes down....

calvegas04
10-12-2016, 09:36 PM
It is going to happen, the NFL isn't going great to turn down 750 million. Hopefully ND schedules a shamrock game in Vegas

ND NYC
10-13-2016, 10:33 AM
will never get why/how the NFL and all their money get public tax dollars to pay for all these NFL stadiums.

our priorities are upside down

GowerND11
10-13-2016, 11:01 AM
will never get why/how the NFL and all their money get public tax dollars to pay for all these NFL stadiums.

our priorities are upside down

Technically, it isn't the NFL that ever pays for anything to do with the teams and their stadiums. The franchises are all their own entity and have to come up with the moneys themselves to build a stadium. On top of that, public funds are used as a new stadium is seen as a public good that will promote job growth, housing, etc. This is especially true today as we see more stadiums being built within the cities again (exception being the 49ers), as a way to gentrify the neighborhoods around the stadium. We also know just how passionate people are about their sports. Fans don't want to see their team leave the city, and those in charge of the city don't want to be the administration that left the team walk.

Veritate Duce Progredi
10-13-2016, 11:12 AM
will never get why/how the NFL and all their money get public tax dollars to pay for all these NFL stadiums.

our priorities are upside down

Agreed.

BeauBenken
10-13-2016, 11:20 AM
NFL players probably already spend too much time in Vegas. This team is going to be coked out of its mind.

GATTACA!
10-13-2016, 11:21 AM
They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.

Wild Bill
10-13-2016, 11:34 AM
Technically, it isn't the NFL that ever pays for anything to do with the teams and their stadiums. The franchises are all their own entity and have to come up with the moneys themselves to build a stadium. On top of that, public funds are used as a new stadium is seen as a public good that will promote job growth, housing, etc. This is especially true today as we see more stadiums being built within the cities again (exception being the 49ers), as a way to gentrify the neighborhoods around the stadium. We also know just how passionate people are about their sports. Fans don't want to see their team leave the city, and those in charge of the city don't want to be the administration that left the team walk.

Perhaps not the greatest "investment" for taxpayers.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-taxpayers-paying-for-billionaires-stadiums/

Tax dollars still paying off renovations on White Sox stadium - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-sox-cell-funding-isfa-met-20160521-story.html)

GowerND11
10-13-2016, 12:03 PM
Perhaps not the greatest "investment" for taxpayers.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-taxpayers-paying-for-billionaires-stadiums/

Tax dollars still paying off renovations on White Sox stadium - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-sox-cell-funding-isfa-met-20160521-story.html)

Oh absolutely. I took a class on Sports Geography in college and it discussed the building of stadiums with public money. Rarely do the taxpayers see the fruit of their burden so to speak. Especially true when many cannot enjoy the games in the new stadium due to the price of a ticket, parking, food, etc.

ACamp1900
10-13-2016, 12:07 PM
They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.

"....and now for your halftime entertainment the Raiders' cheerleaders, who also perform nightly at the Barbary Coast just off the strip behind The World Famous Flamingo, proudly bring to you, their dance interpretation of the reign of Emperor Caligula."

kmoose
10-13-2016, 12:19 PM
They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.

The Las Vegas Rollers, sponsored by Zig Zag!

Irish#1
10-13-2016, 01:01 PM
They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.

Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.

Black Irish
10-13-2016, 01:46 PM
NFL players probably already spend too much time in Vegas. This team is going to be coked out of its mind.

They'll be running a verrrryyy up-tempo offense.

calvegas04
10-13-2016, 02:44 PM
Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.

Couldn't you say that about every city?

NorthDakota
10-13-2016, 02:55 PM
Seems odd to have a team there. Every game will look like a steelers road game.

connor_in
10-13-2016, 02:55 PM
Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.

Cue the stripper cheerleader scenes from "The Replacements" movie

IrishBroker
10-13-2016, 03:04 PM
It is going to happen, the NFL isn't going great to turn down 750 million. Hopefully ND schedules a shamrock game in Vegas

You, my friend, get some reps!

I love that line of thinking

calvegas04
10-13-2016, 03:15 PM
You, my friend, get some reps!

I love that line of thinking

Would be great for recruiting and a cheap fun trip for the fan base

BeauBenken
10-13-2016, 03:30 PM
Would be great for recruiting and a cheap fun trip for the fan base

Except recruits would have to pay their way to Vegas...which isn't exactly "family friendly".

calvegas04
10-13-2016, 03:42 PM
Except recruits would have to pay their way to Vegas...which isn't exactly "family friendly".

Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits

ACamp1900
10-13-2016, 03:54 PM
Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits

or less...

BeauBenken
10-13-2016, 03:59 PM
Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits

That's fair.

IrishSteelhead
10-13-2016, 05:42 PM
Except recruits would have to pay their way to Vegas...which isn't exactly "family friendly".



Have you ever been? It's much more family friendly than people think.

You had:

1960's-1980's
The Golden Age/Glory Years of Vegas

1990's-2000's
The horrendous push to make it a family vacation spot with roller coasters, shopping malls, water parks, Fremont Street becoming trendy, etc.

2010's-present
The renaissance to make it more for adults again

*With that said, remnants of that awful era in the 90's are still there

ACamp1900
10-13-2016, 05:46 PM
Have you ever been? It's much more family friendly than people think.

You had:

1960's-1980's
The Golden Age/Glory Years of Vegas

1990's-2000's
The horrendous push to make it a family vacation spot

2010's-present
The renaissance to make it more for adults again

*With that said, remnants of that awful era in the 90's are still there

Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...

IrishSteelhead
10-13-2016, 05:49 PM
Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...



Well there's always that. Would be a hell of a place for Shamrock Series though. Guess you just don't invite your Mormon recruits to attend that weekend lol.

Irish YJ
10-13-2016, 05:51 PM
Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...

Something for everyone in the family!!

Irish Insanity
10-13-2016, 06:44 PM
My first porn mag was one someone tossed out their window driving by my house. Every young man has to start somewhere.

scUM Hater
10-13-2016, 06:46 PM
Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...

Its called the internet, Kids have seen it all these days.

GATTACA!
10-13-2016, 06:57 PM
Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.

Oh man the welcome to las vegas sign as the logo is too perfect.

ACamp1900
10-13-2016, 06:58 PM
Its called the internet, Kids have seen it all these days.

Not a freaking six year old!!!!!!! lol


(not my four year old and honestly not even my 13 year old,...yet... and no I'm not being naive...)


Not as though that would somehow make it all okay....

DomeX2 eNVy
10-13-2016, 07:14 PM
Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits

This! Perfect geographic location to draw many top West Coast recruits. Plus, imagine the Fertitta tailgater spread.

Some good match up possibilities too.
BYU (despite what you might think, Mormans visit (and live in) Vegas a lot - especially when BYU or Utah play.
Air Force - Nellis AFB is local
Nevada
Arizona State
San Diego St.
Washington
UCLA
Utah

calvegas04
10-13-2016, 07:43 PM
Well there's always that. Would be a hell of a place for Shamrock Series though. Guess you just don't invite your Mormon recruits to attend that weekend lol.

Mormons LOVE Las Vegas

IrishSteelhead
10-13-2016, 07:53 PM
Mormons LOVE Las Vegas



Was not aware. I'll change my post to a "Pentecostal" recruit.

calvegas04
10-14-2016, 05:35 PM
Vote just passed in NV, only thing left if for the NFL to vote on it in Jan or Feb