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View Poll Results: Who is the NFL MVP?
Peyton Manning 16 23.53%
Tom Brady 2 2.94%
Aaron Rodgers 1 1.47%
Adrian Peterson 45 66.18%
J.J. Watt 3 4.41%
Other 1 1.47%
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm going with Peyton, and it has nothing to do with me being in Denver (i'm a Bears fan).

My reasoning is based first and foremost with the fact that Denver is about to get a first round bye and will compete for a championship this year. The Vikings are fighting hard, but very well may still miss the playoffs. I don't see how a guy that plays on a bad team can win the MVP. What good is being "most valuable" to your team if your team doesn't accomplish anything?

If you take Peyton or AP off their respective teams, they both take a drastic turn in how good they are, but AP's team would still probably have the same outcome... missing the playoffs.

He very well may beat Dickerson's rushing record, so it's weird that he doesn't win the MVP, but I feel like you have to actually propel your team to be valuable. AP is his own MVP, because he is having a highlight year. It just isn't helping his team win enough ball games.
Except that Manning was off his team last year...and that team still won their division and made the playoffs...and won a game in the playoffs. So based on that, how valuable is he really to his team? Take AD away from the Vikings and what would they be? Maaaybe a 4, 5 win team, tops. The way they'll finish, you could argue he alone has provided them with those extra wins to get to 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6. That's pretty damn valuable! It's not his fault his QB and team suck.

I think a comparison can be made with the Heisman Trophy-- if Te'o couldn't win it this year, then when will a pure defensive player ever win the award? And perhaps the award really should just be re-named the Best Offensive Player Award. Maybe the NFL MVP should just be renamed the Best QB on a Playoff Team Award?
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:23 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Running backs aren't valuable enough to warrant an MVP award. In the NFL it is the least important position. Peterson is having one of the best seasons for a running back ever and his team still is on the playoff fringe. When a QB has one of the best seasons ever, his team is usually the best in the league.
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Except that Manning was off his team last year...and that team still won their division and made the playoffs...and won a game in the playoffs. So based on that, how valuable is he really to his team? Take AD away from the Vikings and what would they be? Maaaybe a 4, 5 win team, tops. The way they'll finish, you could argue he alone has provided them with those extra wins to get to 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6. That's pretty damn valuable! It's not his fault his QB and team suck.

I think a comparison can be made with the Heisman Trophy-- if Te'o couldn't win it this year, then when will a pure defensive player ever win the award? And perhaps the award really should just be re-named the Best Offensive Player Award. Maybe the NFL MVP should just be renamed the Best QB on a Playoff Team Award?
I see your point, but don't necessarily agree with it. They were a low end playoff team that was riding a Tebow wave that wouldn't have lasted. They really outperformed last year.

That being said, I don't think there is a measurable difference between the Vikings being a 4 win team and an 8 win team if they miss the playoffs in both scenarios. How important is AP if he doesn't raise them into the playoffs? His team is probably still overperforming right now, and they will probably still miss the playoffs. Meanwhile, Peyton's team is not only a playoff team, but a serious contender for the Super Bowl.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:58 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I see your point, but don't necessarily agree with it. They were a low end playoff team that was riding a Tebow wave that wouldn't have lasted. They really outperformed last year.

That being said, I don't think there is a measurable difference between the Vikings being a 4 win team and an 8 win team if they miss the playoffs in both scenarios. How important is AP if he doesn't raise them into the playoffs? His team is probably still overperforming right now, and they will probably still miss the playoffs. Meanwhile, Peyton's team is not only a playoff team, but a serious contender for the Super Bowl.
I get what you're saying too. And I think we all have kind of our "legit" SB contenders, but yet virtually every year a top team loses early in the playoffs and we also have a Steelers/Giants/Cardinals/Packers/Giants (again) non "legit" team make a real run at winning it all, or actually winning it all in all but one of those teams cases. The Broncos and Packers lost in the same round of the playoffs last year, except the Broncos actually beat their defending conference champion in the process.

Also, the MVP is based completely and entirely on regular season performance. What teams do in the postseason is completely immaterial (based on the merits of the award at least). If the Vikings win their last 2, get in the dance, then go on to win it all, would that, in retrospect, make Peterson a more vindicated winner? Similarly, if Manning loses his first game (wether it's in the wild card round or divisional round), would that make him less deserving?
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You mean the guy who lead a team who won their division last year and got a playoff win to be able to win their division again? It could very well be him, but there's definitely no "gotta be" about it.

AD tore his ACL and MCL on Christmas Eve last year...and is threatening one of the most revered NFL records less than a year later. Oh, he also has an absolute sh!tsandwich of a QB, no other playmakers on offense (especially with Harvin out), opposing defenses know exactly what is coming at them, and his team is in the playoff hunt after posting 3(?) wins last year. Yeah, I'd say Peterson deserves at least a couple votes.
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