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Old 12-01-2014, 01:22 PM   #190 (permalink)
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If you don't think the SEC West is the best division in football, then you simply don't know football. Outside a few of the haters... most everyone in the country knows that. Even poor old Danny Kanell. So... I guess that means you are a hater. But let me help you out here.

I could care less about any other team in the country right now other than Bama.
You say that like it's some kind of revelation. Have you seen my avatar? I'll never miss a chance to disparage the fattest, most illiterate, undereducated, and racist states in America.

But you guys go on teabagging, poisoning trees, and recruiting athletes that beat other students senseless. I'm sure the wins justify the dark underbelly. And you guys can keep getting a few high class guys a year like Barrett Jones or McElroy so such negative generalizations are always untrue.

Guys who couldn't care less about any other team in the country right now other than Bama are exactly why people stereotype the fanbase/state the way they do.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:23 PM   #191 (permalink)
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No offense, but isn't criticizing the way "ND fans spend their time" just a little ironic coming from an Alabama fan with 3,000+ posts on a Notre Dame internet message board...?

And I have some thoughts of my own about the way Alabama fans spend their time (NSFW), but that deserves its own thread.
So I can't like ND now? Come on man. I have posted several times why I like this board. And maybe that's part of the issues out here. If this board is solely made up of Irish fans that's fine but doesn't outside opinion offer up something that may otherwise not be brought up?. I would hope I bring some outside thoughts as well. What I won't do is run the Irish down or diminish what they have accomplished over the years. People are entitled to their opinions. This is a discussion board. But when those opinions are based solely on hatred and played off as "objective" analysis then I think they are open game for rebuttal. And that includes what I post out here as well.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:24 PM   #192 (permalink)
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You say that like it's some kind of revelation. Have you seen my avatar? I'll never miss a chance to disparage the fattest, most illiterate, undereducated, and racist states in America.

But you guys go on teabagging, poisoning trees, and recruiting athletes that beat other students senseless. I'm sure the wins justify the dark underbelly. And you guys can keep getting a few high class guys a year like Barrett Jones or McElroy so such negative generalizations are always untrue.

Guys who couldn't care less about any other team in the country right now other than Bama are exactly why people stereotype the fanbase/state the way they do.
So who's the real racist here? Give me a break.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:24 PM   #193 (permalink)
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In the SEC's defense, the East and the West are polar opposites.
Definitely so. The East has been a mess lately. Richt consistently puts together a world-class team that can beat anyone, but can also be counted on to completely **** the bed at least once every year (and usually when it counts the most). UT is starting to turn it around, but has been down for almost a decade now. Spurrier can't get over the hump and age may be catching up to him. UF hasn't been good since Urban left. Missouri is dangerous, but not consistently good. Vandy & UK are what they are.
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You come to a Notre Dame blog and, in the last few days, you have said:

"But don't let your hate of anything override your objectiveness." (to me)

"If you don't think the SEC West is the best division in football, then you simply don't know football. Outside a few of the haters... most everyone in the country knows that. Even poor old Danny Kanell. So... I guess that means you are a hater."

"And anyone who tries to make the argument that the SEC isn't the best conference either doesn't know football very well or lets their hatred overtake their ability to analyze teams, divisions, conferences." (Response to MNIrishman)

We get it. Those of us who make statements that disagree with some of your conclusions are either haters or don't know football - or both.

You have also said:
"I question the constant downplaying of a conference that has dominated college football and some people's inability to understand that. To constantly take cheap shots, bad mouth, and otherwise discount what that conference has accomplished is BS. You know it and I know it. And to not be able to objectively look at teams because one looks through their own baises is BS. ... I think it is sad that it appears the last 25 years of ND football has bred hatred for any one team, one conference, etc. It sure seems to have eroded some's ability to look at teams and decide whether they are good or not."

"ND fans spend way too much time trying to justify their team and/or trying to downplay everyone else. Neither is really proactive. As far as the SEC... at the end of the day I care about Alabama and Ky (my home state.) Every other team can win or lose and it doesn't really matter that much to me. But the constant posting that the SEC is overrated/not good/ yada yada is really old. Worry about how ND is going to close the talent gap, keep their players healthy, win the games they are in."

Your opinions to and about us are crystal clear.

Finally, you have said, after this weekend:
"Arkansas is a pretty solid team. Finishing where they did in the SEC West is not indicative of how good they are. And they would be favored over a lot of teams in the running for their division titles."

Which teams are you referring to - (Pac 12) Oregon, Arizona; (Big 12) TCU, Baylor, Kansas State; (ACC) Florida State, Georgia Tech; (Big 10) Ohio State, Wisconsin?

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You missed my points Lax. Long before any injuries and long before this season, a lot of posters out here spent most of their time trying to legitimize ND and downplay every other team in the country. There is a reason why the SEC is talked about constantly out here.

As far as discussion, I agree 100%. My point was the fact that if my team isn't playing for the title, then I really don't care who wins it. I love discussing the games, matchups, etc., but at the end of the day, I don't care who really wins... my team didn't so I don't care.

I question the constant downplaying of a conference that has dominated college football and some people's inability to understand that. To constantly take cheap shots, bad mouth, and otherwise discount what that conference has accomplished is BS. You know it and I know it. And to not be able to objectively look at teams because one looks through their own baises is BS. Take the uniforms off and evaluate teams. More times than not, that isn't the case out here. It is the SEC is overrated... even though they typically dominate the latest "johnny come lately" team in the title game, their criminals, they cheat, they do this they do that. What they do is win... and win against the best this sport has had to offer the last decade. I think it is sad that it appears the last 25 years of ND football has bred hatred for any one team, one conference, etc. It sure seems to have eroded some's ability to look at teams and decide whether they are good or not. What other conference can have a 2-6 team as good as Arkansas is and the only argument posted out here is they suck... their 2-6. Let's be real Lax.
CFB fans, not just this site, believe there is bias towards the SEC. I don't think that disproves that the SEC is the best conference. Instead, it is that the SEC isn't as far superior as what is portrayed. Why does it matter? Whether we like it not, perception is what the CFP is based on. Teams outside of the SEC have a legitimate concern that the media bias (and yes, ESPN has LOTS to gain via SEC network if SEC is perceived to be the best) can slant that perception. Crowd think is always dangerous and typically leads to inaccuracy.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:34 PM   #196 (permalink)
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Let's all take a deep breath and step back from the insults and hyperbole. ND fans are frustrated with your season and often disagree with how SEC teams run their programs (or at least their perception of how SEC teams run their programs). Tommy, and to some extent myself, get frustrated at what we perceive as relentless hatred and insults towards all things Southern or all things SEC from the same 3 or 4 people. Tommy & I are both here because we admire ND, enjoy the predominantly rational and fair discussions, and enjoy giving and getting a viewpoint from the other side.
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