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Old 11-30-2014, 06:25 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Although a rivalry game, Auburn put up 638 yards and scored 44 pts on the road against one of the more vaunted SEC defenses. I know they didn't win, but there is some parity there, and the SEC is pretty deep IMO.

*if you took the B1G, and had all 14 play the SEC, and could manipulate the matchups any way you wanted (Ohio State vs Vandy), I still don't see the B1G splitting those 14 games.
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:25 PM   #177 (permalink)
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As far as how good or bad the SEC is in football.... well, isn't much of an argument there. And anyone who tries to make the argument that the SEC isn't the best conference either doesn't know football very well or lets their hatred overtake their ability to analyze teams, divisions, conferences.

Bob Stoops says 'Hi'; and I don't think his hatred is the reason since he was able to analyze Bama last year and beat 'em good.
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Overrated arguments

With the season almost completed, we can use the (AP) rankings to compare preseason vs current rankings. The assumption is that the pollsters are knowledgeable football fans with some objectivity.

The preseason polls had eight SEC teams in the top 25 (Current ranking as of today in parentheses):
#2-Alabama (#1); #6-Auburn (20); 9-South Carolina (not ranked); 12-Georgia (15); 13-LSU (23); 18-Ole Miss (13); 21-Texas A&M (not ranked); 24-Missouri (14). Not ranked in the preaseason-Mississippi State (10th today).

Of those eight teams, only three are now ranked higher than their preseason ranking (Alabama, Ole Miss, Missouri). The other five have disappointed - or were overrated.

In the preseason, three of the top 9 were SEC teams. By Week 5, seven of the top 14 teams were from the SEC. But as the season has rolled on, by Week 15 only Alabama (#1) and Mississippi State (#10) in the top 10 teams nationally. Mississippi State is currently considered the fourth best two loss team in the country.

By week 15, the top nine nationally ranked teams include:
Three Big 12 teams, 2 Pac 12 teams, 2 Big 10 teams and 1 team each from the SEC and the ACC. Eight teams from other Power 5 conferences are considered better than the second ranked SEC team, Miss St.

Regular season SEC vs Power Five records (Source)
The SEC did not play any Pac 12 teams. But against the other three Power 5 conferences, the SEC record was 5-6. All six losses and only one of the wins were by SEC East teams. The SEC record against the ACC this year is 1-4.
The Pac 12 record against the same three Power 5 conferences, including ND, is 8-4. (6-3 without ND)

Bowl Eligibility
Two SEC teams will not go bowling this season. Four others have six wins and qualify only because one win was over a FCS team. Without that FCS win, six of the fourteen SEC teams would not have winning records.

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Actually, 4 teams are ranked higher than their preseason ranking... you left out Mississippi State.
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Bob Stoops says 'Hi'; and I don't think his hatred is the reason since he was able to analyze Bama last year and beat 'em good.
You see, it doesn't count because Bama wasn't the best in the conference and they were disappointed they only went to the Sugar Bowl so they didn't play real SEC football in their game and it only counts if you beat the best in the conference unless you do in which case it doesn't. Also any losing teams from the SEC only represent the SEC East (if you're in the West you're an honorary member of the SEC East for the game you lose) so the SEC West is still the best and will be petitioning for a wild card spot in the NFL playoffs so they can play meaningful football out of conference.
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You see, it doesn't count because Bama wasn't the best in the conference and they were disappointed they only went to the Sugar Bowl so they didn't play real SEC football in their game and it only counts if you beat the best in the conference unless you do in which case it doesn't. Also any losing teams from the SEC only represent the SEC East (if you're in the West you're an honorary member of the SEC East for the game you lose) so the SEC West is still the best and will be petitioning for a wild card spot in the NFL playoffs so they can play meaningful football out of conference.
If you don't think the SEC West is the best division in football, then you simply don't know football. Outside a few of the haters... most everyone in the country knows that. Even poor old Danny Kanell. So... I guess that means you are a hater. But let me help you out here.

I could care less about any other team in the country right now other than Bama.
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Looking at opinion polls is worthless. Here's how to consider if the SEC is overrated. Per Sagarin Predictor (pretty much the best "strength" rating system out there)...

1. Alabama
3. Ole Miss
4. Georgia
5. Mississippi State
6. Auburn
11. Arkansas (who is 6-6...)
12. LSU
18. Missouri
19. Florida
24. Texas A&M
25. Tennessee

Pretty much the entire SEC is in the top 25 of an unbiased computer poll. So that empirical evidence says SEC > all. The only non-SEC team in the top 6 is TCU.

Alternatively, if you look at "Vegas" rankings which literally just ask the question "who is the BEST team? and who would be favored over who and by how much?"

From BEFORE this week's actions:
1. Alabama (2 points clear of the rest of CFB... before beating Auburn...)
2. Baylor/Oregon
4. FSU/Georgia/Ohio State
7. UCLA
8. Wisconsin
9. Michigan State/Oklahoma

Will be interesting to see where these sit after this week's action, but you only had 2 SEC teams in the top 10... and one lost to Georgia Tech. UCLA also lost to Stanford though. But per an aggregate on Vegas linesmakers, after Alabama there is a BIG drop off in strength to the other SEC teams... even in the West.

Outside of Georgia, there are no SEC East teams in the top 25 of Vegas' objective "strength" ratings.
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