Great Article on true student athletes at ND - Irish Envy

**ShawneeIrish** · 12-11-2012, 11:21 AM

This is a great must read article on how ND football players are truly student athletes and members of the university.

At Notre Dame, campus life differs little for students and football stars - Yahoo! Sports

Rhode Irish · 12-11-2012, 11:32 AM

Yeah, but one time a student died in a tragic accident and once a student from a neighboring college with psychological issues took her own life after making unsubstantiated accusations against a football player. So clearly ND has sold out its values to get back to the top! This article clearly has no perspective.

(Please tell me I don't need italics here.)

ThePiombino · 12-11-2012, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhode Irish

Yeah, but one time a student died in a tragic accident and once a student from a neighboring college with psychological issues took her own life after making unsubstantiated accusations against a football player. So clearly ND has sold out its values to get back to the top! This article clearly has no perspective.

(Please tell me I don't need italics here.)

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**spark25** · 12-11-2012, 11:39 AM

Great read. Thanks for posting this.

**ShawneeIrish** · 12-11-2012, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhode Irish

Yeah, but one time a student died in a tragic accident and once a student from a neighboring college with psychological issues took her own life after making unsubstantiated accusations against a football player. So clearly ND has sold out its values to get back to the top! This article clearly has no perspective.

(Please tell me I don't need italics here.)

Yes, including this in the article was unfortunate, but the discussion of the football player's classroom and dorm experiences was wonderful.

Rhode Irish · 12-11-2012, 11:51 AM

Shawnee, I was more talking about how others constantly want to bring that up as a counterweight to what truly differentiates ND from the football factories, using it to undermine or downplay how unique Notre Dame is among its football power peers. It is the go-to factoid for Irish haters, and the most tragically ironic part about it is that the people who do go there don't give a damn about Declan or Lizzy, they're just using them to take a shot at Notre Dame and its community, which actually does give a damn.

Unfortunately, what happened to those two students is a part of the story that will (and probably should) be mentioned when talking about Notre Dame football and its relationship with ND students and its community. But there is a responsible way to weave that into the narrative and a vindictive way to do so.

**ickythump1225** · 12-11-2012, 11:52 AM

Great article. My life's regret is that I never got to attend that magical campus.

12-11-2012, 11:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
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Rhode Irish Lone Wolf Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 4,350 Cash: 9,209.45 Bank: 4,977,929,988.94 Total Bankroll: 4,977,939,198.39 Donate	Shawnee, I was more talking about how others constantly want to bring that up as a counterweight to what truly differentiates ND from the football factories, using it to undermine or downplay how unique Notre Dame is among its football power peers. It is the go-to factoid for Irish haters, and the most tragically ironic part about it is that the people who do go there don't give a damn about Declan or Lizzy, they're just using them to take a shot at Notre Dame and its community, which actually does give a damn. Unfortunately, what happened to those two students is a part of the story that will (and probably should) be mentioned when talking about Notre Dame football and its relationship with ND students and its community. But there is a responsible way to weave that into the narrative and a vindictive way to do so. __________________

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ickythump1225 Freshman Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: North Georgia Posts: 657 Cash: 1,002,457.65 Bank: 21,647.45 Total Bankroll: 1,024,105.10 Donate	Great article. My life's regret is that I never got to attend that magical campus. __________________ “But when you smack a team so many times in the mouth, eventually they’re going to want to stop playing, and that’s what happened today.”-Cierre Wood

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spark25 Walk-On Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 140 Cash: 25.25 Bank: 198.87 Total Bankroll: 224.12 Donate	Great read. Thanks for posting this.

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