Manti Te'o for Heisman - Page 16 - Irish Envy

**Black Irish** · 10-20-2012, 10:13 AM

I think it's also helping Manti that there aren't many offensive players who are playing incredibly well. Geno Smith is the only name I hear coming out of commentators mouths every 10 seconds. Manti is playing great, but he is also filling a vacuum.

**no.1IrishFan** · 10-20-2012, 11:15 AM

The reason Teo won't win is obviously because he doesn't play on offense. I think it's total bs what the Heisman has become. The advantage that offensive players have over defensive players is deplorable. If the ball is not in your hands on almost every play you're looked upon as insignificant in the discussion. The problem is, there are so many things that great defensive players do that go unnoticed just because the ball isn't in their hands. Offensive players are looked upon as the ones who take charge and win games for the team. As far as I'm concerned, I would hate to see how this season would have played out without Manti. If you go by position, please tell me who plays their position better than Manti plays linebacker.

**OutintheBend** · 10-20-2012, 11:20 AM

Miller hasn't really played any tough teams..

**Black Irish** · 10-20-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by no.1IrishFan

The reason Teo won't win is obviously because he doesn't play on offense. I think it's total bs what the Heisman has become. The advantage that offensive players have over defensive players is deplorable. If the ball is not in your hands on almost every play you're looked upon as insignificant in the discussion. The problem is, there are so many things that great defensive players do that go unnoticed just because the ball isn't in their hands. Offensive players are looked upon as the ones who take charge and win games for the team. As far as I'm concerned, I would hate to see how this season would have played out without Manti. If you go by position, please tell me who plays their position better than Manti plays linebacker.

+1. Also consider that a solid offensive player relies on a supporting cast to get it all done. It's hard to be a lights out QB without a good O-line & receivers and most RBs wo't do jack without good blocking. But a great defender does so much more on his own. In fact, top notch defensive talent usually shines more when they are picking up slack (luckily, Te'o has a great supporting cast and doesn't have to do it all himself). So if we're talking about great individual effort, great defensive players should be right up their with the offensive stars.

**4irishnation** · 10-20-2012, 02:36 PM

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Miller hasn't really played any tough teams..

Miller isn't getting any votes today

GoIrish41 · 10-20-2012, 02:39 PM

I can't understand why Collin Klein is getting so much attention this year. He's a solid player, but he has nothing close to Heisman performances, IMO.

**4irishnation** · 10-20-2012, 03:15 PM

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I can't understand why Collin Klein is getting so much attention this year. He's a solid player, but he has nothing close to Heisman performances, IMO.

Who is ? Not to much to choose from and until they get beat today they must talk about someone.

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no.1IrishFan STIFLER OF IE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 5,067 Cash: 6,026,855.38 Bank: 12.72 Total Bankroll: 6,026,868.10 Donate	The reason Teo won't win is obviously because he doesn't play on offense. I think it's total bs what the Heisman has become. The advantage that offensive players have over defensive players is deplorable. If the ball is not in your hands on almost every play you're looked upon as insignificant in the discussion. The problem is, there are so many things that great defensive players do that go unnoticed just because the ball isn't in their hands. Offensive players are looked upon as the ones who take charge and win games for the team. As far as I'm concerned, I would hate to see how this season would have played out without Manti. If you go by position, please tell me who plays their position better than Manti plays linebacker. __________________ God, country, Notre Dame.

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Black Irish Sophomore Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,086 Cash: 919,036.98 Bank: 699,029.39 Total Bankroll: 1,618,066.37 Donate	I think it's also helping Manti that there aren't many offensive players who are playing incredibly well. Geno Smith is the only name I hear coming out of commentators mouths every 10 seconds. Manti is playing great, but he is also filling a vacuum.

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GoIrish41 Cogitator Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,247 Cash: 32,355.66 Bank: 40,325,855.90 Total Bankroll: 40,358,211.56 Donate	I can't understand why Collin Klein is getting so much attention this year. He's a solid player, but he has nothing close to Heisman performances, IMO.

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