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Old 11-28-2012, 04:03 PM   #701 (permalink)
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How the hell does David Pollack get a vote....
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:09 PM   #702 (permalink)
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I'm actually hoping Collin Klein has an amazing game against Texas.

My theory is that he can steal enough votes from Manziel. The people that want to vote for Manti will do it regardless of Klein. But the others could be persuaded to put Klein ahead of Manziel on their ballots.
That's a good point. Manti's best shot at winning now is probably for Klein to split the QB vote.
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I'm actually hoping Collin Klein has an amazing game against Texas.

My theory is that he can steal enough votes from Manziel. The people that want to vote for Manti will do it regardless of Klein. But the others could be persuaded to put Klein ahead of Manziel on their ballots.
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That's a good point. Manti's best shot at winning now is probably for Klein to split the QB vote.
I think the problem is going to be that no one is going to vote Manziel out of the top 2 while if Klein has an out of this world type game he could take a lot of the second place votes from Manti.

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Old 11-28-2012, 04:16 PM   #704 (permalink)
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Listening to Sports Animal radio here in Tulsa, OK area. Pat Jones former OSU coach of Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas. He is talking up Manti. Better news is that two Heisman voters on the show with him are speaking strongly about Manti as the best candidate as well. The basis for their reasoning was Notre Dame is 12-0 and playing for National Title. The reason they are undefeated is their defense. The heart and anchor the defense is Manti, not to metion his 7 picks.

The two voters were Al Jerkins (KJRH) and Jimmie Tramel (Tulsa World).
Honestly, trying to look at it objectively, that's how I see it. Like Kelly said, if Manti doesn't win the Heisman, let's just officially redefine it as an offensive award. He's the best player on the best team in the country. He has been all over the field all season. Love Johnny Football but he hasn't shown the same consistency. 3 INTs against LSU, zero TDs? Like others have said, this guy is Colin Klein ... only difference is his weaker games came earlier in the season, before the huge upset win over 'Bama (in which he threw 2 INTs and needed his defense to come up with a huge INT of its own in the end zone).

Like I think gkIrish said, here's hoping that Klein and Manziel cancel out and Manti comes out on top. That's how it should be, anyway.

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List of Heisman voters if you want to do some grassroots campaigning...

Heisman Voters - Stiff Arm Trophy

Many ballots have probably already been sent in... all ballots are due Monday.
Some of yoyu may have scoffed at my idea, but I contacted about 30 of the voters (would have done more but work keeps getting in the way). Here's what I said.

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.

I find it strange that that Johnny Manziel fits this statement with his arrest earlier this year, but more importantly how he can be the leading candidate at this point? Klein of KSU has one bad game and gets discarded, yet Manziel has two bad games and doesn't seem to get penalized for them. He was great against Alabama, but he wasn't against LSU or UF. Also, keep in mind that a good portion of his stats were garnered playing lower level schools.

QB's have been putting up ridiculous numbers for the past 10-12 years and they keep getting broken. Johnny's will certainly be broken in the not too distant future. It seems to me the more deserving winner is Manti Teo rather than the "flavor of the month".
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