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Old 01-01-2016, 06:51 PM   #43 (permalink)
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You see? Every time I read this fallacy, I am tempted to completely dismiss anything else the person has to say about the scheme. Because they obviously don't understand the zone blitz scheme. In the zone blitz scheme, the dropping Linemen are NOT "covering" anyone. They are simply occupying space so that there is not an open throwing lane for the QB to exploit. They may move around a little, as they read the QB's eyes, but they are not covering anyone. So I wish people would stop saying they are.
If you drop into coverage you are covering -- you may not be covering a guy one on one, but you are covering a zone and skill players are coming into that zone and your job is to keep them from making a play. That is covering. I'm not sure there is much space between what I am saying and what you are saying.
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Old 01-01-2016, 06:52 PM   #44 (permalink)
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True but they do have a zone such as the hook, curl or flat and it seemed the opposition always knew where that was. Zone blitzes are also not effective on 3and 5 or less yet he continued to run them.
I'm not defending VanGorder's use of them. I was only correcting the misconception that VanGorder's defense has DL trying to cover WRs. So he certainly isn't playing an incompetent MLB so that he can have a Defensive Lineman cover a Wide Receiver.
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If you drop into coverage you are covering -- you may not be covering a guy one on one, but you are covering a zone and skill players are coming into that zone and your job is to keep them from making a play. That is covering. I'm not sure there is much space between what I am saying and what you are saying.
No, you aren't covering. No more than a guy stepping into the lane to take a charging foul is guarding the guy going to the basket. You are simply putting a body into a space, so that the QB cannot just chuck it past the blitzer into the space that he was previously occupying.
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He played reasonably well....for a true freshman who hadn't a clue what he was doing. Made some plays but was also out of position A LOT.
On the other hand Scmidt made few plays and was often taken out of plays because he can't get off blocks. Point is that BVGs job is to coach him to play his defense, and if he put an inferior athlete on the field because his defense is too complex for the better athlete to play, that is a coaching failure.
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No, you aren't covering. No more than a guy stepping into the lane to take a charging foul is guarding the guy going to the basket. You are simply putting a body into a space, so that the QB cannot just chuck it past the blitzer into the space that he was previously occupying.
Great analogy to explain your point
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Before today, i was hopeful it might be as easy as us graduating Joe Schmidt and having someone new in that position next year. After today i think it's more of a scheme that we are destined to fail on defense. The dropping of Day, Rochell, Cage, and Okwara into coverage consistently has forced me to give up on BVG. It never works.
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lol at people complaining about the zone blitzes today. They were some of the more effective calls against OSU.

With our injuries, if you think lining up and playing some base defense to make it "simple" is the best way to go, you're out of your mind. We had to confuse them, trick them, make Barrett make bad reads, because we were outclassed on a man to man basis. Barrett was something like 19-31. We didn't really get beat over the top. We made them dink and dunk us down the field (other than the long Elliott run). I would have loved to make them go up-top with even more exotic pressures, but we had guys playing out of position all game, so I understand what we did.

If we're playing Iowa right now, the point is moot. We played a top 4 team, with a ton of injuries, and got beat. Our guys, ESPECIALLY our defense, even out manned, played hard the entire game.

Sometimes, you're just not the better team.

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