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Old 10-05-2015, 12:20 PM   #1170 (permalink)
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I've been saying this before the game started.

How can an oline stop a loaded box?

The QB needs to force the box to breakdown. Why Kelly spent so much wasted effort to start the game running, idk. But we should have been throwing from the start.
If we would have established the passing game earlier on this game would have been much different.

I feel like BK did exactly what most people here have complained about him NOT doing numerous times in the past: commit to the run, and don't panic and start an air raid by the second possession. It was almost like he reads the Gameday posts here and took notes. He trusted his o-line to make the plays they have been lauded for making, and they didn't reciprocate. Loaded box or not, they were getting worked all night.
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Old 10-05-2015, 12:22 PM   #1171 (permalink)
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I disagree with almost all of that.
1. Clemson started fast and executed plays. That's what you'd freaking expect with 16 days to watch film, key on tendencies, and script your first 10 or so plays like most teams do. They were aided by two special teams miscues on those drives, and the defense surrendered under 300 yards of offense.
2. Regardless of what you think of going for 2, it's basically been proven on this site from other posters that the "chart" says it's the right call (or at least debatable depending on how you evaluate other factors). I wouldn't have gone for two, but after considering all the facts there really isn't an argument that it was a truly egregious decision akin to the Northwestern call.
3. How many of those "26 fourth and fifth year players" dropped passes and fumbled? One of them? CJ Prosise, is a junior right? Sanders had 2, Prosise had 1, Brown had 1, Kizer had 1, and I forget the last. Almost none of the big time drops were from seniors/5th year seniors. So this entire point is on its surface beyond ****ing stupid.
4. OK.
5. OK. None of those players are a starting QB, and ND is way past "6"... but his point is fine, everyone has their problems.
6. Already explained why Fortuna is being a dumb cunt on this point.
7. WHO THE HELL EVER SAID WE HAD A TITLE DESTINY!?!?!
3. Fuller also dropped one IIRC.

7. The team. Numerous posters on this site (I mean look at Judghed's posts this morning). Experts who predicted us to make the playoffs. etc. etc.

And if we didn't have a title shot this year, that's the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS THREAD. YOU SHOULD BE IN THE TITLE CONVERSATION IN YEAR 5
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Old 10-05-2015, 12:23 PM   #1172 (permalink)
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3. Fuller also dropped one IIRC.



7. The team. Numerous posters on this site (I mean look at Judghed's posts this morning). Experts who predicted us to make the playoffs. etc. etc.



And if we didn't have a title shot this year, that's the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS THREAD. YOU SHOULD BE IN THE TITLE CONVERSATION IN YEAR 5

How about year 6, because that's where we are. This year is a cataclysmic failure with anything less than double digit wins, and a top 15 class IMO.
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And if we didn't have a title shot this year, that's the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS THREAD. YOU SHOULD BE IN THE TITLE CONVERSATION ALMOST EVERY YEAR AFTER YEAR 5
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3. Fuller also dropped one IIRC.

7. The team. Numerous posters on this site (I mean look at Judghed's posts this morning). Experts who predicted us to make the playoffs. etc. etc.

And if we didn't have a title shot this year, that's the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS THREAD. YOU SHOULD BE IN THE TITLE CONVERSATION IN YEAR 5
Fuller is in his 3rd year, not 4th or 5th.

ETA: Also we have 1 loss, I think a 10-2 season is still very likely. Were you really expecting better than that this year? What was your preseason prediction?
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End of the day, drops and fumbles cost us more than any coaching decision. The drops and fumbles were we evenly spread across the team so I am not seeing anyone as a complete scapegoat. Sometimes you have to accept that crap happens, how you respond to that crap says a lot more about you than anything. We bounced back and gave ourselves a solid shot at winning.

Holtz got run out of town for the type of talk you are making. Nobody is perfect but damn if Kelly isn't the closest thing we have had to the real deal in 20 years. He is going to have to do a hell of a lot worse than this to lose my confidence.
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You think we should have gone for two and that we should have come out flat in the first half? Interesting...
I personally would have gone for two for one big reason.....if I fail, I have the chance to make up for it with the rest of the game. At that point in the game, ND had to assume at best, 3 more possessions (maybe only 2) and have not exactly been moving up and down the field. If I know I need 2 TD's to win it in my final 3 drives, I would call the game differently. Basically, it's whether or not I need to play for a FG in conditions that were dicey for Yoon. Certainly impacts your decision making going forward in the game.
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