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~~**QueensNY**~~ · 11-15-2004, 10:36 PM

Look at what Greg Lee, Pitt's Wide receiver who had a very productive day against ND to say the least....

"We knew that they had flaws in their defense and we just wanted to expose them," said Lee. "Their defensive backs, they weren't that good. They weren't that aggressive and everything. In certain coverages, their safeties didn't get deep enough. When we saw that, we told them that we were just going to expose them. And that's what we did." Source is Irish Today

I guess our coaches didn't feel it was necessary to make any adjustments.

~~**QueensNY**~~ · 11-15-2004, 10:41 PM

12,290 people have voted so far. 90 percent say to fire TY. Hope Kevin White reads that tomorrow morning with his tea..... SB Tribune Poll

http://www.southbendtribune.com/cgi-...15november2004

**jiggafini19** · 11-16-2004, 08:40 AM

Here we are in mid-November and we're crossing our fingers for a berth in the Insight.Com Bowl or Gator Bowl. Look, nothing is wrong with a December bowl game....if you're Northern Illinois or Northwestern. 6-5 is a winning season, yes, but it is also a sign of mediocrity and basic math skills.

I see three things that need to be changed immediately, in this order:

1. Win at home, regardless of who the opponent is.
2. Recruit talented defensive backs.
3. Recruit speed, speed, speed on offense.

Rather than bedtime stories of the Four Horsemen and Lou Holtz, Notre Dame needs to carve a new path in the tradition. The they're on lately is a dead end.

time4change · 11-16-2004, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QueensNY

Look at what Greg Lee, Pitt's Wide receiver who had a very productive day against ND to say the least....

"We knew that they had flaws in their defense and we just wanted to expose them," said Lee. "Their defensive backs, they weren't that good. They weren't that aggressive and everything. In certain coverages, their safeties didn't get deep enough. When we saw that, we told them that we were just going to expose them. And that's what we did." Source is Irish Today

I guess our coaches didn't feel it was necessary to make any adjustments.

No adjustments at halftime seems like a very common theme in Ty's weekly gameplan.

As much as I'd like to see Urban Meyer back at ND next year, I really think we need to follow in the footsteps of USC, UVA, and Nebraska this time and get an NFL guy (Gruden, I'm looking in your direction).

**Vince Young** · 11-17-2004, 02:39 AM

Without even getting into the Ty-debate, the clamor for Urban Meyer floors me.

Just look at his career. Boy, our passing game sure was dominant while he was the wide receivers coach at Notre Dame from 1996 to 2000. From there, he was 17-6 as head coach at Bowling Green against the formidable MAC conference, with losses to teams like Western Michigan, Miami of Ohio and Northern Illinois, not to mention getting blown-out by 22 points against South Florida and by 18 points against Toledo. From there, he's stepped up to a 20-2 record at Utah against the mighty MWC conference. (At least the MAC conference had Marshall...) 37-8 career looks shiny, but so does a cubic zirconia.

And Urban Meyer's head coaching experience? A whopping 4 years.

But hey, we've all seen inexperienced guys with questionable careers go on to enjoy long, distinguished tenures with major teams. Just look at Bob Davie and Ron Zook. (Some would add Ty Willingham to that list.)

Sure, Urban Meyer loves Notre Dame. But so did Faust and Davie. 'nuff said.

Urban Meyer may very well be the real thing, but he hasn't come even close to proving it yet. Let him spend some time coaching in a real conference, and then we'll really know what he's capable of. Until then, I'll remain skeptical.

**EnviedOne** · 11-17-2004, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by time4change

No adjustments at halftime seems like a very common theme in Ty's weekly gameplan.

As much as I'd like to see Urban Meyer back at ND next year, I really think we need to follow in the footsteps of USC, UVA, and Nebraska this time and get an NFL guy (Gruden, I'm looking in your direction).

I'm having to agree with this for the sole reason that players want to go where they can get a shot at the NFL. If they pickup an NFL-type system from a coach that has won an NFL title, man... that would be a helluva nice recruiting tool to have at your disposal.

Plus, Gruden is a preparation-o-holic. We could use someone like that.

**jiggafini19** · 11-17-2004, 08:47 AM

The next head coach of Notre Dame, whoever he may be, must not be conservative on offense. The game plan should be to score, score, score. And by that I do not mean field goals or defensive touchdowns. The West Coast Offense is old and tired. Throw the ball down field. Throw the ball to the backs. Little zips to wide receivers for five yards and hoping for them to run the rest just doesn't cut it for me. Stretch the field. For this to be done, ND must recruit speed, speed and more speed. There is talent out there, but they're simply not getting it. USC, Oklahoma and Michigan have extended their resources on the national level. Notre Dame needs to get their hat back into the ring. Meyer might be the guy to do that, but is he credible?

I watch Tampa Bay's offense and I am skeptical of Jon Gruden's system.

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~~QueensNY~~ SCUMBAG WHO DELETES THREADS Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,575 Cash: 5,282.75 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 5,282.75 Donate	Look at what Greg Lee, Pitt's Wide receiver who had a very productive day against ND to say the least.... "We knew that they had flaws in their defense and we just wanted to expose them," said Lee. "Their defensive backs, they weren't that good. They weren't that aggressive and everything. In certain coverages, their safeties didn't get deep enough. When we saw that, we told them that we were just going to expose them. And that's what we did." Source is Irish Today I guess our coaches didn't feel it was necessary to make any adjustments.

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~~QueensNY~~ SCUMBAG WHO DELETES THREADS Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,575 Cash: 5,282.75 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 5,282.75 Donate	12,290 people have voted so far. 90 percent say to fire TY. Hope Kevin White reads that tomorrow morning with his tea..... SB Tribune Poll http://www.southbendtribune.com/cgi-...15november2004

11-16-2004, 08:40 AM	#31 (permalink)
jiggafini19 Chicago Rhetoric Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,362 Cash: 17,706.37 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 17,706.37 Donate	Here we are in mid-November and we're crossing our fingers for a berth in the Insight.Com Bowl or Gator Bowl. Look, nothing is wrong with a December bowl game....if you're Northern Illinois or Northwestern. 6-5 is a winning season, yes, but it is also a sign of mediocrity and basic math skills. I see three things that need to be changed immediately, in this order: 1. Win at home, regardless of who the opponent is. 2. Recruit talented defensive backs. 3. Recruit speed, speed, speed on offense. Rather than bedtime stories of the Four Horsemen and Lou Holtz, Notre Dame needs to carve a new path in the tradition. The they're on lately is a dead end.

11-17-2004, 02:39 AM	#33 (permalink)
Vince Young Sophomore Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,298 Cash: 1,622.75 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 1,622.75 Donate	Without even getting into the Ty-debate, the clamor for Urban Meyer floors me. Just look at his career. Boy, our passing game sure was dominant while he was the wide receivers coach at Notre Dame from 1996 to 2000. From there, he was 17-6 as head coach at Bowling Green against the formidable MAC conference, with losses to teams like Western Michigan, Miami of Ohio and Northern Illinois, not to mention getting blown-out by 22 points against South Florida and by 18 points against Toledo. From there, he's stepped up to a 20-2 record at Utah against the mighty MWC conference. (At least the MAC conference had Marshall...) 37-8 career looks shiny, but so does a cubic zirconia. And Urban Meyer's head coaching experience? A whopping 4 years. But hey, we've all seen inexperienced guys with questionable careers go on to enjoy long, distinguished tenures with major teams. Just look at Bob Davie and Ron Zook. (Some would add Ty Willingham to that list.) Sure, Urban Meyer loves Notre Dame. But so did Faust and Davie. 'nuff said. Urban Meyer may very well be the real thing, but he hasn't come even close to proving it yet. Let him spend some time coaching in a real conference, and then we'll really know what he's capable of. Until then, I'll remain skeptical.

11-17-2004, 08:47 AM	#35 (permalink)
jiggafini19 Chicago Rhetoric Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,362 Cash: 17,706.37 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 17,706.37 Donate	The next head coach of Notre Dame, whoever he may be, must not be conservative on offense. The game plan should be to score, score, score. And by that I do not mean field goals or defensive touchdowns. The West Coast Offense is old and tired. Throw the ball down field. Throw the ball to the backs. Little zips to wide receivers for five yards and hoping for them to run the rest just doesn't cut it for me. Stretch the field. For this to be done, ND must recruit speed, speed and more speed. There is talent out there, but they're simply not getting it. USC, Oklahoma and Michigan have extended their resources on the national level. Notre Dame needs to get their hat back into the ring. Meyer might be the guy to do that, but is he credible? I watch Tampa Bay's offense and I am skeptical of Jon Gruden's system.

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