Ty Willingham: Stay or Go? - Page 6 - Notre Dame Football Discussion

**bmf175** · 11-17-2004, 12:31 PM

What I think about Urban Meyer and coaching in general.

Its easy to coach a team full of all americans (like ND) and be successful against most of the teams in the college ranks. Having success with teams with equal talent, now thats a different story. That is when a GREAT coaching mind is seperated from a GOOD coaching mind. Its when the talent levels are equal is when a coaching scheme comes into play.

Should Ty Willingham be ousted...Yes, I believe. On the premise that he has greater talent at his finger tips than all the teams he lost to this year. Yes he beat UT but I think everybody can agree It was not by out coaching Fuller. And also his record right now is worse than Davie's record was at the same point in their career. WORSE. If he does worse than the man that was fired from the job he filled, he too should be fired.

Should we look down at Urban Meyer because his coaching experience only includes two subpar teams...No. He was in charge of a subpar team with the same talent level as all the other subpar teams he competed against. Which leads me to belive if the talent levels are the same than the only reason he has such a great record is due to a good coaching scheme. And so what if he has 6 or 8 loses, every coach from Holtz to Shula lost acouple games.

Now the only thing I can say is that Ty Willingham at Stanford, was not very successful. Yes he had bowl appearances but his coaching at Stanford was half-ass I believe it was some where just above .500. And his proven by some of the statements in the past couple of weeks that he is not the aggressive winner that Meyer or Hawkins are. Now that is where TY and Davie are similar, in that they should have never been HIRED in the first place.

I feel a change in coaching staff is warranted and any coach that is in a BCS game has proved themselves as far as Im concerned.

IrishGator · 11-17-2004, 09:07 PM

Spurrier Anyone?

All this talk about Urban Meyer (still a little unproven in my book). Are we forgetting that one of the best football coaches in college football history is available? Next to the NFL ND is the next logical choice for someone wanting to be on the big stage and take on a big challenge. Either way Ty needs to go and we need to get a successor

**EnviedOne** · 11-17-2004, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishGator

Spurrier Anyone?

All this talk about Urban Meyer (still a little unproven in my book). Are we forgetting that one of the best football coaches in college football history is available? Next to the NFL ND is the next logical choice for someone wanting to be on the big stage and take on a big challenge. Either way Ty needs to go and we need to get a successor

I was just thinking about this today actually when they mentioned contacting Spurrier for a local II-A job and wondered if he could be a possible candidate for the Irish.

time4change · 11-18-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Svoboda

I was just thinking about this today actually when they mentioned contacting Spurrier for a local II-A job and wondered if he could be a possible candidate for the Irish.

Well, we can put all the Spurrier talk to rest since he's going to be coaching South Carolina after Lou retires at the end of the season.

Jeff Tedford (Cal) anyone?

**EnviedOne** · 11-18-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by time4change

Well, we can put all the Spurrier talk to rest since he's going to be coaching South Carolina after Lou retires at the end of the season.

Jeff Tedford (Cal) anyone?

Nah, I'm not sold on Tedford. I'd want Gruden before Tedford.

~~**QueensNY**~~ · 11-18-2004, 11:52 PM

Yea, Gruden is number 1 on my list, Urban is number 2.

I thought about Jim Fassel the other day, I think he could be a really good college coach, I believe he is currently with the Ravens as a consultant.

s0lewis · 11-19-2004, 10:52 AM

If TY beats USC and wins the bowl game he will stay. ND will not get Urban Meyer their is already rumors he has accepted the Florida position. Kevin White screwed up in 2001 he could have hired Gruden or Tom Coughlin. Mike Shannan will not come to Notre Dame their are too many NFL teams who want him and will pay him more. Notre Dame shouldn't fire Ty and hire some other subpar coach. I think ND's season has been pretty good everybody thought ND would only win 4 games. The offense is getting better every week and it obvious Brady Quinn is stud. I think we can beat USC!! If they do not beat USC Ty will most likely be fired!

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11-17-2004, 12:31 PM	#36 (permalink)
bmf175 Freshman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 504 Cash: 1,238.75 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 1,238.75 Donate	What I think about Urban Meyer and coaching in general What I think about Urban Meyer and coaching in general. Its easy to coach a team full of all americans (like ND) and be successful against most of the teams in the college ranks. Having success with teams with equal talent, now thats a different story. That is when a GREAT coaching mind is seperated from a GOOD coaching mind. Its when the talent levels are equal is when a coaching scheme comes into play. Should Ty Willingham be ousted...Yes, I believe. On the premise that he has greater talent at his finger tips than all the teams he lost to this year. Yes he beat UT but I think everybody can agree It was not by out coaching Fuller. And also his record right now is worse than Davie's record was at the same point in their career. WORSE. If he does worse than the man that was fired from the job he filled, he too should be fired. Should we look down at Urban Meyer because his coaching experience only includes two subpar teams...No. He was in charge of a subpar team with the same talent level as all the other subpar teams he competed against. Which leads me to belive if the talent levels are the same than the only reason he has such a great record is due to a good coaching scheme. And so what if he has 6 or 8 loses, every coach from Holtz to Shula lost acouple games. Now the only thing I can say is that Ty Willingham at Stanford, was not very successful. Yes he had bowl appearances but his coaching at Stanford was half-ass I believe it was some where just above .500. And his proven by some of the statements in the past couple of weeks that he is not the aggressive winner that Meyer or Hawkins are. Now that is where TY and Davie are similar, in that they should have never been HIRED in the first place. I feel a change in coaching staff is warranted and any coach that is in a BCS game has proved themselves as far as Im concerned. Last edited by bmf175; 11-17-2004 at 12:35 PM.

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IrishGator Waterboy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1 Cash: 1,003.75 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 1,003.75 Donate	Spurrier Anyone? All this talk about Urban Meyer (still a little unproven in my book). Are we forgetting that one of the best football coaches in college football history is available? Next to the NFL ND is the next logical choice for someone wanting to be on the big stage and take on a big challenge. Either way Ty needs to go and we need to get a successor

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~~QueensNY~~ SCUMBAG WHO DELETES THREADS Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,575 Cash: 6,368.75 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 6,368.75 Donate	Yea, Gruden is number 1 on my list, Urban is number 2. I thought about Jim Fassel the other day, I think he could be a really good college coach, I believe he is currently with the Ravens as a consultant.

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s0lewis Waterboy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4 Cash: 1,168.50 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 1,168.50 Donate	If TY beats USC and wins the bowl game he will stay. ND will not get Urban Meyer their is already rumors he has accepted the Florida position. Kevin White screwed up in 2001 he could have hired Gruden or Tom Coughlin. Mike Shannan will not come to Notre Dame their are too many NFL teams who want him and will pay him more. Notre Dame shouldn't fire Ty and hire some other subpar coach. I think ND's season has been pretty good everybody thought ND would only win 4 games. The offense is getting better every week and it obvious Brady Quinn is stud. I think we can beat USC!! If they do not beat USC Ty will most likely be fired!

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