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[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

Originally Posted by irishbukkake

< good post Mr. Young

Ty is a class act. If you give a high school coach 5 years then you should give Ty 5 years as well as he IS an established COLLEGE coach. We don't have a program like Colorado and Ohio State which are tainted with misconduct.

Any University can bring in talented criminals ( ie. - Miami) and promise them grades cars and girls.......but we have more than that. Coach Willingham raised the bar for what student athletes should be - why is that not something to be proud of.

Wins come and go - HONOR LASTS FOREVER

I think you have a point here, but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't accept a few off field incidents and black eyes for the university if it meant the program was a national power again. Florida State and Nebraska had many incidents in the 90's that embarassed their programs, but they also collected multiple national titles and that's what will be remembered. That's what will go down in history. With that said, I'd love to win and have good kids too. I like to play both sides, you know.

[NDLyght37]

Originally Posted by Vince Young

In Ty's case, I agree: he deserved a 4th year and a chance to finish what he started.

But does EVERY coach deserve 4 years? No. If the guy goes 0-11 his first season and loses every game by 30, then that 1 year is more than enough to "evaluate his performance." I'm not going give him "a full recruiting class to work with." I'm gonna fire his ass.

True. With Ty I think the 10-2 in year one might have actually hurt him. I'm not sure if he's a 10-2 coach, but I know he's not a 5-6 coach (I mean he took Stanford to the Rose Bowl...Stanford...lol). The real Ty is probably a solid 8-4, 9-3 coach. A solid but not spectacular coach that graduates kids & gets into bowl games almost every year...and once in a while (every 3 years or so), he has that 10 or 11 win season.

The question is, is that enough these days?

I think Meyer will be a good fit, but with our schedule and our lack of overall team speed can we realistically expect to be in BCS games every year?

[irishbukkake]

if you give Bob Davie and Gerry Faust 5 years then why not Ty?? So I white high school coach can do even worse than Ty, but he still gets 5 years.....


furthermore Ty's first recruit class werent even seniors yet

[Vince Young]

Originally Posted by irishbukkake

if you give Bob Davie and Gerry Faust 5 years then why not Ty??

Rather than asking whether Ty had enough time, why isn't anyone asking if Faust and Davie had too MUCH time?

[NDLyght37]

Originally Posted by Vince Young

Rather than asking whether Ty had enough time, why isn't anyone asking if Faust and Davie had too MUCH time?

That's a very, very good question. But again, the rebuttal is, if you gave those guys 5 years, why couldn't you have given Ty 4 years?

[Vince Young]

...and in Ty's case, I agree he'd earned a 4th year. But he didn't earn it just by signing a contract for at least 4 years.

What I'm questioning is the idea that a coach - ANY coach - is entitled to X number of years. All a coach is entitled to is that their contract be honored.

And no, firing someone 3 years into a 5-year contract does not mean that you're not honoring the contract, despite what some on here seem to think. As long as Notre Dame follows whatever clause in the contract deals with early termination, they are honoring the contract every bit as much as if they'd let Ty stay for 5 years.

And we can argue back and forth all night on this (Faust shoulda gotten 1 more year! Davie shoulda been fired after 3! Tastes great! Less filling!), but the bottom line is that if Ty had won more games, he wouldn't have been fired on Tuesday.

Heck, I'll go ahead and dive into the race issue now... let's say Kevin White is secretly a flaming racist. If you're Ty and you don't want to get fired, the first thing you need to do is keep Kevin White from having an excuse. That way, he can't fire you without exposing himself. But instead, Ty handed Kevin White a 6-5 record on a silver platter. Excuse served. Here's your pink slip, and buh-bye.

If Ty wins just 1 game more (BYU, Boston College, Pittsburgh, take your pick), then they're 7-4 and going to, say, the Gator Bowl, and today we're sitting here still arguing about whether or not it's time to fire Ty, while Ty is prepping his team for the bowl and working on recruiting for next year.

But he didn't.

"I've finally found the reason. Now I need an excuse."

-Days Of The New, "Touch, Peel & Stand"

[NDLyght37]

Valid points as always...but it's very frustrating to see how it all went down (especially since now it looks like we lost Meyer).

Unless someone like Gruden or Tedford walks through the door, White may be the next person who needs to be relieved of his job.