How many wins will Notre Dame have next year?

[Vince Young]

Originally Posted by NDLyght37

If we get a BCS bowl berth, I'd consider it a successful first season for C-Dub.

If we go 8-4, I'd consider it a successful first season for C-Dub, and I wouldn't be all that disturbed by 7-5.

For all the talk about Heismans, titles and BCS games, we need to remember that there's a reason these guys went 6-6 this year. And to simply quip "Yeah, and his name was Ty" is to ignore Brady Quinn's oft-errant arm, our slow receivers, and our even slower pass-defenders. Yeah, Darius Walker was a fricken' stud and our defensive line made running futile, but this was a team with significant weaknesses on a variety of fronts, weaknesses that cannot be excused away with "it was just bad coaching."

In short, a 6-6 team does not go 12-0 the next year just because they switched coaches.

[irishgo8]

I agree but about 75% is the coaching - not getting the kids hyped up against BYU y look that team should have lost to us like 50-0...when i saw that we lost to BYU 21-17 i was saying come on now lets fire LOSINGham look we probably should be about 9-3 (loses to USC, Purdue, and OSU) thats just giving us the big loses but one or two of those we probably should have won also...so that is y i think next year about 8-3 cause i am picking conservatively (loses only to those we should lose to USC, MUSHAGAIN, and Tenn.) but again i have to say look at what Weis was able to do to a 5th round pick Tom Brady - turn him into one of the best QBs in the NFL...against alot tougher ds, etc look what he should be about to do with our Brady Quinn.................

[Vince Young]

Originally Posted by irishgo8

I agree but about 75% is the coaching - not getting the kids hyped up against BYU

*sigh* You're completely missing my point.

This isn't really about Ty. This is about taking a realistic look at the situation C-Dub is stepping into.

Look at an example: our defensive secondary. We were very weak in our pass defense the past few years. Ty deserves blame for not recruiting talented players for those positions. Now Ty's gone... but the same untalented players are still there.

C-Dub is inheriting a lousy pass defense, and all the impassioned halftime speeches in the world will not turn a slow safety into Deion Sanders. It just ain't gonna happen.

The bottom line is that C-Dub has inherited a 6-6 team. Expecting a 6-6 team to win 9 games in their first year with a brand new coach is simply unrealistic, and the sorts of people who think it's realistic are the idiots who will be starting up FireCharlieWeis.com a year from now.

All I want to see is an improvement from 6-6. If C-Dub can do a better job with basically the same players that Ty had, I'll consider that progress.

Even Lou Holtz went 5-6 his first year, and 8-4 his second year. Demanding a 9-win season and a BCS bowl from C-Dub in Year One is just asinine.

[irishgo8]

i understand but look we should have been a 9-3 team this year - C-Dub will win the games he is supposed to and go like 9-3 or 8-4 thats what i want to see and am expecting but lets wait and see

[BigIrish]

Originally Posted by Vince Young

*sigh* You're completely missing my point.

This isn't really about Ty. This is about taking a realistic look at the situation C-Dub is stepping into.

Look at an example: our defensive secondary. We were very weak in our pass defense the past few years. Ty deserves blame for not recruiting talented players for those positions. Now Ty's gone... but the same untalented players are still there.

C-Dub is inheriting a lousy pass defense, and all the impassioned halftime speeches in the world will not turn a slow safety into Deion Sanders. It just ain't gonna happen.

The bottom line is that C-Dub has inherited a 6-6 team. Expecting a 6-6 team to win 9 games in their first year with a brand new coach is simply unrealistic, and the sorts of people who think it's realistic are the idiots who will be starting up FireCharlieWeis.com a year from now.

All I want to see is an improvement from 6-6. If C-Dub can do a better job with basically the same players that Ty had, I'll consider that progress.

Even Lou Holtz went 5-6 his first year, and 8-4 his second year. Demanding a 9-win season and a BCS bowl from C-Dub in Year One is just asinine.

Good post. You're right - Weis doesn't have a magic wand that will transform mediocre athletes into great athletes. I do however, have a lot of confidence that Weis will use the players he does have in much more creative ways than Ty did. Ty wasn't the only reason ND was 6-6. But his predicable play calling and formations didn't help things either.

[irishgo8]

it wasnt but alot of it was his fault - even lyght has to admit thatabout 8-4 or 9-3 looks like conservative pick

[cwags]

They'll be lucky to go 7-4 in the regular season. Michigan is going to tear our heads off and feed them to us because we screwed them out of a chance for a Title. USC and Tennessee are likely losses (we got lucky this year against an injured Tennessee). Purdue and Pitt will be tough. The rest we probably should win. But, the team isn't substantially better than it was last year and a lot of those teams aren't the Nancies they used to be. The worst thing Weis could probably do is go 9-2 or 10-1. Look what that did to Ty. Call me a cynic but I see Weis's record's the next 3 years at around .500 each year. I'm sure people will be calling for his head then too.