Opinions/Discussions on Guns

[Rhode Irish]

Originally Posted by irishff1014

I am makeing this thread so that the politcal talks don't take away from the deaths in the Another School Shooting thread. Please have you discussions here and lets remember them in the other thread please!!!

I'm not getting into the whole conversation, but this is the stupidest post/thread in the history of this board. The idea that you can separate the "politics" and the tragedy is absurd and offensive.

[Irishcop]

Two years ago I was sent to training for Crisis Intervention. It's focus is to get police officers who respond to call dealing with people who suffer form mental illnesses help for the illness rather than just placing them in hand cuffs and taking them to jail where they receive no help. When I worked for the City of Atlanta Police Dept we would receive calls in reference to a "24" which is code for a demented person. Well police would arrive and 9 times out of 10 arrest said person for disorderly conduct and take them to the thirteenth floor at Grady hospital. Its is where people with who suffer from mental illnesses are taken when under arrest. While on the thirteenth floor he/she would be seen by a doctor placed on medication and then sent right back out to the streets. Three of four weeks later the police would receive a call about that same individual and the cycle would start all over again.

Crisis Intervention is supposed to change how LEO's deal with people suffering from mental illnesses who commit crimes. I for one think it's a great idea however there are so very few mental health facilities, and the ones that we have are always full with patients. There is really no where to get them help. Its pretty sad.

[irishff1014]

Originally Posted by Rhode Irish

I'm not getting into the whole conversation, but this is the stupidest post/thread in the history of this board. The idea that you can separate the "politics" and the tragedy is absurd and offensive.

Then dont click on the thread to read it. Thats the best thing i can tell you.

[Walter White]

Increase the education required to own a gun. You should have to take classes, background checks, and tests. Teach people how to safely secure their guns and all risks associated with them before they are allowed to own.

The right to gun ownership should be similar to the right to drive a vehicle. Although I think getting a drivers license should be harder to obtain than it is right now as well.

I also don't know the numbers in gun crimes linked to illegal black market weapons but I imagine its higher than legal ownership. There should be more of a focus on stopping the black market.

[phork]

Originally Posted by Buster Bluth

I'm against the Drug War because prohibiting something only pushes the demand into the underground black market. Gun control would only impact law-abiding citizens.

The people who commit these crimes (or most gun crimes) aren't law-abiding citizens. They will still get their guns or find another way to commit the crimes.

Also, laws are reactionary policies. Laws are punishments. How do you punish someone in a murder/suicide?

I am, however, in favor of (in Ohio, because it is a state issue) a month-long wait on guns. I think this will prevent the "oh my wife is divorcing me let me go get a gun and blow her head off" crimes. And I am in favor of a ten-round maximum clip law, as well as mechanically making it take time to change out clips. I believe California has those two laws in place. I am also in favor of a state-wide assault weapons ban.

I'm not sure that you can do more than that other than address the real problem: MENTAL ILLNESS!

Just a question. But do you think, using current data, having almost 1 gun for every man, woman and child in the US might be the reason that the black market is able to have an abundance of weapons available?

One graph I saw was that gun ownership was trending downwards and shockingly so was violent crime committed with guns.

Personally I find it amazing the stat about ownership approaching 1 gun for everyone in the US.

[jtrain]

Ok but if you put a ban on assault rifles you raise the question what is considered an assault rifle? Today there are many rifles that have the AR look to them but are used for hunting. Another question what calibers does it restrict? Cause a .22 can hurt somebody just as easily as a 30-06. Plus you can find semi auto in any caliber and model you want, so to make a law/ restrictions on guns, IMO, would be too difficult and have too many grey areas. But do I think it should be harder to buy a gun? Yes I believe there should be a class but would that stop terrible events like this? No I won't. I'm on my phone or I'd look it up but how many crimes are committed with unregistered guns? I bet the statistic would be high. Because its not the purchasing of the gun from the dealer which is the problem but the purchasing of the gun from non-dealers and the other ways the person got the gun. No matter what if a person wants a gun they're gonna get it regardless, even if you do have a 30 day wait period if the person really wants a gun that badly they can get it from any gun owner. So IMO I do not think restrictions will help the problem.

[jmurphy75]

Originally Posted by DSully1995

Ya try to prove this somehow, because i highliy doubt it, japan didnt have anywhere near the army necessary for an INVASION

He's just using quotes that can be found in history books or documentaies
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II.