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Old 12-16-2012, 10:37 PM   #99 (permalink)
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So 2 10 round clips is so much safer? Come on Where does it stop? Is a ruger mini 14 an assault rifle? Same thing as an ar15. Just looks like a gun a old guy on a horse would carry.
So 30 round clips aren't excessive? 100 round drum magazines for AR 15s aren't excessive? I agree that gun laws can never fix all of the issues but we can be sensible about the laws we enact while also keeping most of the the gun ownership right entact.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:37 PM   #100 (permalink)
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Pretty sure New Jersey has this, or maybe my high school last year was just an exception. For my four years of high school, though, there was an armed police officer on school grounds for all school functions. And it isn't as if I lived in a part where there is a lot of crime. I live in a very, very rural part of the state, where honestly it probably wasn't that big of a necessity. Until something like Newtown happens.


In my opinion, this isn't a gun problem, or a mental healthcare problem even, but it is a societal problems. 6 of the 12 deadliest shootings in this country have occurred since 2007. The media posterizes the killers all over the place. I can still perfectly picture Jared Loughner's insane look shortly after his rampage or James Holmes's orange hair. Thankfully, I haven't seen too many of Adam Lanza's pictures on the television, but when it was initially thought his brother, there was pictures all over the place. And honestly, I know they are just reporting the news, but maybe they should treat it is an anonymous terrorist attack. I know it isn't that, but at the same time, these crazy people who sadly would probably just go to their basements and kill themselves are now seeing this on TV and instead of just being some loser their whole life that wasn't remembered for anything, they now try and outdo all these massacres because they will receive infamy. The attention should be given to the victim and the heroes such as Victoria Soto, not Adam Lanza.

Another contributing factor(once again, this is strictly my opinion) is the violence in Hollywood and video games. In Call of Duty MW2, you are a terrorist in one level that kills hundreds of civilians ruthlessly. Or Grand Theft Auto where you just go around doing whatever you want, killing and stealing in order to beat the game. This doesn't even get into the topic of Hollywood movies such as "Rampage". If you haven't heard of it, read about it. I wasted my time shortly after the Movie Theatre Massacre, and I think to myself, 'wow, this really could have given Holmes an example or motivation of how to pull off such a crime'. There are 100's of movies, excluding war, police, or spy movies, that have people just kill like it is nothing. Our society treats life as if it is nothing. They just throw it around. When you are growing up and exposed to this all the time, to go along with mental issues like the shooter, this can create something really bad.

Our society needs to teach gun safety. It is imperative. How did this kid have such easy access to these guns? Were they not in a safe? I don't think it is a good thing to prohibit guns, at all, but at the same time, there has to be some kind of limitation. I really like New Jersey's law on guns. You must have a permit to own and purchase them, and it takes about 6 months in order to get a permit because of all the background checks that the state and FBI does. There is also a month long waiting period when you purchase a gun and when you get it. It also has an assault weapon ban, which essentially means no bayonet stocks, no magazines greater than fifteen rounds, and it can be switched from automatic to semiautomatic among some other characteristics. The second amendment needs to be protected at all costs, but to what extent?

Banning guns is not the answer. Australia has found this out the hard way. Violent crime has spiked. For Christ's sake, Mexico and Brazil have gun bans too, how is that working out for them. Even the UK has some kind of gun ban where handgun crime is up 40% since the ban took place. It isn't going to stop the criminals from getting guns. And heck, if I am a criminal, and I know that family doesn't have a gun since it is illegal, I can guarantee you I am more likely to rob them than if I knew they had a gun.

I apologize for a bunch of thoughts into one post. I've just been thinking a lot about this since it happened and it is more me venting over the events and seeing how some people have reacted to it and what not. If some of my thoughts are off base or incorrect, please inform me.

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Great Post. Especially the part about video game culture. "The Shooter" was an avid gamer. I know it is a virtual reality, but when you become so numb to it(killing), it becomes a scary problem. Obviously, we can't ban video games. So honestly i'm not sure it will ever change.

Kids nowadays(myself included) grow up playing with Air soft guns, and play these video games where you virtually kill people daily. Society in my opinion has been institutionalized to almost accept that violence is just apart of daily life, and honestly that is very, very scary. I'm no expert though...just an opinion.
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How about you actually read about what happened. The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

Get educated and then come back here and talk about it. Shockingly we didn't intentionally let guns walk, our guns laws make it almost impossible to stop the cartels from having straw buyers buy the guns and then sell them. SMH.
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And you still believe that we purposefully let the guns walk to Mexico, what does that say about you.

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As it has been said before, we need intelligent gun regulation. Making the fines, penalties and associated jail/prison time EXTREMELY harsh would make people take their ownership of these guns more serious.

Neighbor kid steals your hangun out of your bedside dresser and robs a convenience store? Guess what? YOU are going to prison. Shoot yourself on accident (like a certain NFL player)? Guess what?... you go to jail.

The happy medium is strict control, imo. People will find guns, people will find other ways to harm people. But if we create a culture that gun control is a significant responsibility, then people will start taking it seriously. As I mentioned before, we live in a time where our constitution (right to bare arms) is conflicting with the declaration of independence (life, liberty & happiness). Instead of knee-jerk reactions in either direction, we need to come together and have some intelligent conversations on how to actually change behavior. This starts with regulation, but also includes education, planning and changes in how media portrays these incidents.

The reality is that guns allow people to kill on a large scale. Are they the root of the problem? Probably not, but they are making the people that are doing these horrendous crimes way more effective in their pursuits. Doing nothing wont fix the problem, and don't kid yourself, this is a problem.
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I was taking your post seriously until I got to the part about Mexico. You do realize that the drug cartels get the guns from the US because our gun laws are so lax that it is easy and cheap. For a while now Mexico has been trying to get us to strengthen our gun laws because of it.
NYC and Chicago have the strictest gun laws in the country and people still manage to get shot there. If anything the cartels are a prime example. If you make something illegal, there are still ways to obtain it if you have ill intent.
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Did you actually read that aricle? Did you read the fortune article. Look at the sources used by each and come to a logical conclusion. No one has argued that the guns weren't used to commit crimes in Mexico, but our laws made it possible and continues to make it almost impossible to stop the cartels from getting guns.
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