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Old 12-02-2016, 09:58 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Since education isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, the feds should 100% be removed from the equation and those decisions should be in the hands of each state.
I don't mean to put words in Jayhawk's mouth, but perhaps he was referring to the use of charter/voucher schools versus adequately funded (or lack thereof) public schools.

I'm fine with your premise in regards to the Constitution and how ultimately states should make these decisions, but I wouldn't mind seeing a more national curriculum that is competitive globally and while doing so, allowing states to fund all schools locally in a manner that is efficient and effective for the students (of all socioeconomic levels), as well as determining the best pathway to achieving said curriculum.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:05 AM   #142 (permalink)
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I don't mean to put words in Jayhawk's mouth, but perhaps he was referring to the use of charter/voucher schools versus adequately funded (or lack thereof) public schools.

I'm fine with your premise in regards to the Constitution and how ultimately states should make these decisions, but I wouldn't mind seeing a more national curriculum that is competitive globally and while doing so, allowing states to fund all schools locally in a manner that is efficient and effective for the students (of all socioeconomic levels), as well as determining the best pathway to achieving said curriculum.
The movement to privatize and corporatize (which has been somewhat bi-partisan) public education at all levels is not being driven by educators.
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The movement to privatize and corporatize (which has been somewhat bi-partisan) public education at all levels is not being driven by educators.
Correct.

It's become a business-like, for-profit approach to education. IMO, that's completely unethical.
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The movement to privatize and corporatize (which has been somewhat bi-partisan) public education at all levels is not being driven by educators.
If public education were working on a large scale level, the rise of charter schools and private schools wouldn't be a discussion.
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Correct.

It's become a business-like, for-profit approach to education. IMO, that's completely unethical.
IMO, the consumers (parents, taxpayers) want more options for education. And since they're going to pay either way, what's the difference to them in where the money is going?

Unethical is trapping kids in failing public schools without other options.
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Correct.

It's become a business-like, for-profit approach to education. IMO, that's completely unethical.
The profit motive serves the customer. If I want beef in a ten mile radius of my home, I can spend $1 for a cheeseburger at McDonald's, $51 for a ribeye at Capital Grille, or literally 200 options in between, with multiple options at each price point. If I want to send my daughter to public elementary school, I have exactly ONE option. The school has absolutely no reason to appeal to me on the basis of cost or quality because they get my "business" (i.e. tax dollars) no matter what crap product they put out because I have no alternative.

This isn't advanced economic theory, it's insanely basic. Competition benefits everyone.
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Are you being serious right now? Like are you actually claiming that occupying a nation of 30 million people wouldn't really cost anything extra?
Yes, I'm being serious, and no, I'm not claiming that there aren't any additional costs, or that those costs are not significant. What I said was that I don't believe that we could pay for college for everyone by simply getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Those Active Duty folks are still getting paid if you bring them home. So that money isn't available for college tuition. Planes are still flying training missions, so that fuel money isn't available for college tuition. Units are still doing training, using some live ammunition and incurring transportation costs, so that money isn't available for college tuition. You liberals like to throw out the total cost of the war, so that people are shocked, and to make it seem like the US would have trillions of extra dollars to spend elsewhere, if we simply would bring our boys home. It doesn't work like that. Show me a figure of how much real money would be saved, and then you might persuade me.
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