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Old 05-18-2016, 12:11 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I don't disagree with that at all. The problem is that our culture now tolerates such selfish antisocial behavior, and it's becoming more normalized with each passing year. Several decades ago, these sorts of practices would have been unthinkable, even if the technology to facilitate them had existed.
I don't want to sound rude, but can't this argument be said about any older age cohort to a younger? I would say that people, no matter what age cohort were selfish and self absorbed, technology just is a more public avenue of broadcasting it.
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Old 05-18-2016, 12:13 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Because you are single. Wait till you are married, and have 3 small children running around (or even that first one when they are real small). Time, energy, etc. run low.
I get what you are saying and I'm sure I'll do the same thing when I get married. I'm just commenting on American culture in general. Sex is now all about numbers. How many people have you had sex with? How many times? How long did you last? It's just disheartening to me.

I'm as horny as any other guy and I've had my fair share of the pie so to speak so I'm being a bit hypocritical. But I do genuinely wish the dating app culture and the need for all my friends to discuss our sexcapades went away. How am I going to look my future daughter in the eye and give her advice on boys if I go around looking for skanks every day. Sex should be fun and private IMO, not pervasive throughout our culture.

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I might be misinterpreting, but I think he meant that the premise of the article treats sex as a vitamin or supplement where you just hit your quota, as opposed to a loving act between man and wife. A loving act, that can be planned and scheduled, but it's not anywhere near the same good as a daily multivitamin or a biweekly trip to the gym. It's much better and more important.

But I can't read minds, so I can be wrong.

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Huh? I didn't get that vibe at all from the article.
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Huh? I didn't get that vibe at all from the article.
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I get what you are saying and I'm sure I'll do the same thing when I get married. I'm just commenting on American culture in general. Sex is now all about numbers. How many people have you had sex with? How many times? How long did you last? It's just disheartening to me.

I'm as horny as any other guy and I've had my fair share of the pie so to speak so I'm being a bit hypocritical. But I do genuinely wish the dating app culture and the need for all my friends to discuss our sexcapades went away. How am I going to look my future daughter in the eye and give her advice on boys if I go around looking for skanks every day. Sex should be fun and private IMO, not pervasive throughout our culture.

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I completely agree with what you are saying.

But I just thought that the second article didn't articulate that (the first article you linked to did). The second article is about people in committed relationships finding a balance in their sex life that makes them happy and that studies show that happiness generally plateaus around once a week (having more sex doesn't make people less happy it just doesn't increase happiness). To me that is the kind of advice that many couples need but won't actively seek. Especially when you see all the magazines having the latest fads i.e. "have sex every day for a month".
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I don't want to sound rude, but can't this argument be said about any older age cohort to a younger? I would say that people, no matter what age cohort were selfish and self absorbed, technology just is a more public avenue of broadcasting it.
Nothing rude there. That's actually a very common defense of the status quo; that all previous generations have been just like we are now, only we're finally being honest about it. And there's some truth to it. People have always been tempted to act selfishly (fallen state of man, etc.)

But the most important function of culture is in discouraging selfish behavior, and channeling our desires and instincts in a way that is socially beneficially. Different cultures have achieved that end through different ways and with varying degrees of success over time. My argument is that our modern culture, under the pretense of "liberating" individuals to pursue their own ends, has become alarmingly ineffective at discouraging selfish behavior.

That's a big problem because civilization is only made possible by shared moral norms which encourage people toward discipline and cooperation. When those moral norms start to fray, it undermines the basic fabric of society. The ancient Greeks and Romans built impressive civilizations long before our own, but they fell due to the same sort of cultural decline we're witnessing today within the West.
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I completely agree with what you are saying.

But I just thought that the second article didn't articulate that (the first article you linked to did). The second article is about people in committed relationships finding a balance in their sex life that makes them happy and that studies show that happiness generally plateaus around once a week (having more sex doesn't make people less happy it just doesn't increase happiness). To me that is the kind of advice that many couples need but won't actively seek. Especially when you see all the magazines having the latest fads i.e. "have sex every day for a month".
That's a fair way to interpret the article. Even if my interpretation is wrong, I think the headline itself is harmful enough, though.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have lots of sex, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a bragging point or a quota.
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