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Old 09-24-2015, 11:17 AM   #92 (permalink)
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~11,283,000 people died in Nazi concentration camps.
~58,000,000 babies have been aborted since the passage of Roe v. Wade.

Challenge: present a coherent argument for why the Nazis are the greatest villains of the 20th century, while Planned Parenthood is praised as a champion of feminism and liberal values.

At the end of the day, it's all just eugenics-- the eradication of society's undesirables.
Quite frankly, I find it as wildly offensive that you would compare planned parenthood to the nazis as you find planned parenthood's abortion numbers. It would be like saying Conagra has killed 100 million cows: why aren't we calling their CEO the next Hitler. Or, alternatively, Ron Jeremy wastes 2.1 billion sperm a year: is he the next Gengis Khan.

For me, it all comes down to how we value human life. I don't believe life is inherently valuable from the moment of conception. I don't think everyone has a soul and a divine purpose. What makes us special- and what I think is worthy of government protection- is our interaction with the outside world, our relationships, our capacity for awareness and all the emotions that come with that awareness (fear, hope, love, etc...).

I don't think the Nazis are evil because they killed 6 million living things. I think they're evil because they killed 6 million human beings. Because they inflicted fear and suffering, because they tore children away from their mothers, because they destroyed human communities, and because their victims knew exactly what was happening to them the whole time.

In other words, I haven't seen the fetus equivalent of Night or The Diary of Anne Frank.

To be clear, I don't think abortion is a good thing. I believe in the mantra safe, legal, rare. I think better sex education, better access to birth control, and big incentives for people to adopt are all necessary. But I don't think it's an evil thing either. I think comparing planned parenthood to the Nazis is deliberately inflammatory.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:26 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Quite frankly, I find it as wildly offensive that you would compare planned parenthood to the nazis as you find planned parenthood's abortion numbers. It would be like saying Conagra has killed 100 million cows: why aren't we calling their CEO the next Hitler. Or, alternatively, Ron Jeremy wastes 2.1 billion sperm a year: is he the next Gengis Khan.

For me, it all comes down to how we value human life. I don't believe life is inherently valuable from the moment of conception. I don't think everyone has a soul and a divine purpose. What makes us special- and what I think is worthy of government protection- is our interaction with the outside world, our relationships, our capacity for awareness and all the emotions that come with that awareness (fear, hope, love, etc...).

I don't think the Nazis are evil because they killed 6 million living things. I think they're evil because they killed 6 million human beings. Because they inflicted fear and suffering, because they tore children away from their mothers, because they destroyed human communities, and because their victims knew exactly what was happening to them the whole time.

In other words, I haven't seen the fetus equivalent of Night or The Diary of Anne Frank.

To be clear, I don't think abortion is a good thing. I believe in the mantra safe, legal, rare. I think better sex education, better access to birth control, and big incentives for people to adopt are all necessary. But I don't think it's an evil thing either. I think comparing planned parenthood to the Nazis is deliberately inflammatory.
I'm sure Whiskey will respond soon but I have to say those analogies are some of the most ridiculous ones I've ever heard. Are you seriously comparing a cow or a sperm to a fetus?
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I'm sure Whiskey will respond soon but I have to say those analogies are some of the most ridiculous ones I've ever heard. Are you seriously comparing a cow or a sperm to a fetus?
And are you seriously comparing a fetus to the people who were killed in concentration camps?

My comparisons are absurd, but no less absurd than the one needed to get at the idea of this being a new holocaust. Also, the argument has been made that the slaughter of cows (Peter Singer) and the waste of sperm (the Catholic Church) are bad (murder/sin), so it's not like I pulled those two out of my ass
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And are you seriously comparing a fetus to the people who were killed in concentration camps?
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My comparisons are absurd, but no less absurd than the one needed to get at the idea of this being a new holocaust. Also, the argument has been made that the slaughter of cows (Peter Singer) and the waste of sperm (the Catholic Church) are bad (murder/sin), so it's not like I pulled those two out of my ass
You're either evil or an idiot. Peter Singer says it's okay to kill babies. Born, alive, fully functioning babies.

"Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons, therefore, the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee."

You really want to hitch your cart to that wagon?

Also, the Church's position against masturbation has nothing to do with the waste of sperm.
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You're either evil or an idiot. Peter Singer says it's okay to kill babies. Born, alive, fully functioning babies.

"Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons, therefore, the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee."

You really want to hitch your cart to that wagon?

Also, the Church's position against masturbation has nothing to do with the waste of sperm.
Obviously, I was not endorsing either Peter Singer's views nor the Catholic Church's with my post.

retracted, maybe

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Obviously, I was not endorsing either Peter Singer's views nor the Catholic Church's with my post. And also, the Singer quote you posted DOES NOT SAY he believes it's ok to kill babies. But, you know, go ahead and call me the idiot when you don't understand that he's using a rhetorical argument to set up his ultimate point: that equality should be extended to animals.
I really hope you are vegan or I'm just really confused.
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As in women should be able experience the most sexual pleasure possible. Correctable consequences be damned. Idk man just what I've heard people say doesn't make sense.
Irony is that men cannot have a "free" sexual experience because:
1 - Condoms......who likes those?
2 - Don't dare snip my sack
3 - The pill lowers women's sex drive
4 - If you get a girl knocked up, you are financially on the hook if she so chooses

I am officially starting a campaign for men to have full sexual freedom. Who is with me?
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