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Old 02-24-2014, 01:42 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Thank you, IrishMoore1. I love Neil deGrasse Tyson. Watching his presentation was time well spent.
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Old 02-24-2014, 02:08 PM   #177 (permalink)
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It seems to me his reasoning extends from the God of the Gaps argument. That what we don't know or understand, can only be explained by a supernatural force or God. We don't know; therefore, God did it. I've seen many people on this thread put forth some form of this reasoning.
I can't speak for LAX, but I don't believe he was making a "God of the Gaps" argument. I assume he was referring to propositions like the Fine-Tuned Universe.

And it doesn't make one anti-intellectual to posit that while "science" is awfully good as describing the Universe (i.e. answering "How?" questions), empiricism is fundamentally incapable of answering "Why?" questions. Secular materialists who insist on stretching empirical science into realms of inquiry where it simply has no place are guilty of scientism.
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Thank you, IrishMoore1. I love Neil deGrasse Tyson. Watching his presentation was time well spent.
I'm so pumped for his version of Cosmos.

I watched Carl's original when I was 12 and it was a religious experience for me. Totally changed the way I saw myself and my place in the world.
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Old 02-24-2014, 02:45 PM   #179 (permalink)
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I can't speak for LAX, but I don't believe he was making a "God of the Gaps" argument. I assume he was referring to propositions like the Fine-Tuned Universe.

And it doesn't make one anti-intellectual to posit that while "science" is awfully good as describing the Universe (i.e. answering "How?" questions), empiricism is fundamentally incapable of answering "Why?" questions. Secular materialists who insist on stretching empirical science into realms of inquiry where it simply has no place are guilty of scientism.
Could you give me an example of a question that is a "why" question that is not also a "how" question? Not being flippant, genuinely trying to understand.
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"Why" indicates purpose or intent. "How" is just consequential and deterministic. Its what separates us from the animals.

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"Why" indicates purpose or intent. "How" is just consequential and deterministic. Its what separates us from the animals.
I understand that but when we start getting into questions about life, the universe, and everything, I find that most "why" questions are just slightly twisted "how" questions. (Or vice versa.)
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I understand that but when we start getting into questions about life, the universe, and everything, I find that most "why" questions are just slightly twisted "how" questions. (Or vice versa.)
I agree. Applying the concept of "intent" is tricky business, particularly with animals of varying cognitive abilities.
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