thoughts on ND as a 3-4 defense.... - Notre Dame Football Discussion

**ND4life** · 12-18-2006, 09:53 PM

i dont know if anyone has brought up this topic before but.....do you think CW would like Minter to implement a 3-4 defense in the coming year(s) ala New England Patriots?

Height and Weight from rivals 2006 depth chart

LDE:Kellen Wade 6'5" 240 (add 15-20 lbs)
DT: Trevor Laws 6'1" 294
RDE:Darrell Hand 6'3" 287

LOLB: Joe Brockington 6'2" 232
MLB: Maurice Crum Jr. 6'0" 225
MLB: Chris Donald 6'2" 220 ?????
ROLB: Maurice Richardson 6'2" 222 or Toryan Smith 6'0" 244

just throwing the tought out there what do you guys think???

**Famboo28** · 12-18-2006, 09:55 PM

Check the football forum, it has been mentioned there many times. Or just use the search bar at the top.

**BGIF** · 12-19-2006, 05:55 AM

It's been discussed as much as, if not more than, Green Jerseys and who's going to start at QB in '07.

The discussions should predominately be in the Football Forum under Defense, Travis Thomas, Minter, etc. I tried a search but the search function doesn't like "3-4" or "34". I did find one thread visually Defensive switch to a 3-4??

Preseason in discussing the Travis Thomas to LB move, Weis was asked in a press conference (around Aug 13th) about using the 3-4 considering the size of Thomas. Implying that Thomas would do better with 4 LBs than 3. Weis replied to the contrary that "Size matters in a 3-4, it doesn't in a 4-3". He amplified his reasoning in the press conference. There might be a transcript I used to post them (but I didn't look for it tonight).

From what I recall of the many threads on the topic that while it's popular with fans (whatever scheme we NOT using is popular with fans) ND doesn't have the horses up front on the DL nor at LB. As ND rebuilds through recruiting ND may move in that direction in time. Keep in mind if ND got 3 DLs and 4 LBs in the next class, ND would not open with a 3-4 as those rookies have to build their bodies up to play against 21 and 22 year old OLs that have been lifting and developing technique for 3 or 4 years.

Weis has consistently says he plays what the talent lets him play (offense or defense). We don't have the horses yet and the few we have are ponies right now.

Feel free to identify the Chris Zorich clone in the middle of the DLine and the 4 LBs like Stonebreaker, Dubose, Kowalkowski, and Jones.

I have trouble finding one LB of that quality, strength and experience on the team. Check out a Depth Chart from those days. ND was 3 deep at all 4 LB positions and there was a solid 2 Deep on the DLine. We can't fill a first string today.

**jiggafini19** · 12-19-2006, 09:37 AM

They can win with a 4-3 if everyone, coaches and players, knows what the hell they're doing.

And hopefully soon Haywood can take over the offense a little bit because having a head coach whose baby is the offense doesn't help matters any.

3-4, 4-3, 867-5309....none of it matters if your players aren't in position to make plays and you don't have game changers. You mix things up. You play a little 3-4, a little 4-3, nickel, dime. You disguise what you do, keep the offense guessing, attack them, make THEM react to YOU.

This is why getting Donald is so vital. This is why not getting these top flight defensive players like Griffen and Tez Wilson hurts so much. Defensive players are being given negative recruiting because the ND universe is centered around Weis, Quinn and now Clausen.

It's a great place for offense and the coach has lots of Super Bowl rings. So do the defensive coordinators of those teams

**njuneardave** · 12-19-2006, 09:56 AM

i have no problem with Weis calling the plays. Why in the world would you want to start passing responsibility to Haywood? The offense is our staple.... it's the only thing that we get credit for.

**jiggafini19** · 12-19-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by njuneardave

i have no problem with Weis calling the plays. Why in the world would you want to start passing responsibility to Haywood? The offense is our staple.... it's the only thing that we get credit for.

He is the HEAD COACH, not offensive coordinator. Haywood is a big boy...he can call plays. Weis needs to be involved in ALL of the facets of the team.

The offense is their staple...and that is the point I'm making. It is a problem.

**njuneardave** · 12-19-2006, 10:29 AM

i dont see it as being a problem, jigga. so what? weis is the head coach... he is also an offensive mastermind. it would be a travesty is Weis stopped calling plays.... his ingenuity is the sole reason that we have made it to the BCS the past 2 years. I'm not taking anything away from Haywood, but why try to fix something that isn't broken?

Offensive potency is never a problem.... i usually agree with the things you say, but this takes me by surprise. Weis does an excellent job.

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ND4life Walk-On Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: norman, ok Posts: 109 Cash: 1,243.88 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 1,243.88 Donate	thoughts on ND as a 3-4 defense.... i dont know if anyone has brought up this topic before but.....do you think CW would like Minter to implement a 3-4 defense in the coming year(s) ala New England Patriots? Height and Weight from rivals 2006 depth chart LDE:Kellen Wade 6'5" 240 (add 15-20 lbs) DT: Trevor Laws 6'1" 294 RDE:Darrell Hand 6'3" 287 LOLB: Joe Brockington 6'2" 232 MLB: Maurice Crum Jr. 6'0" 225 MLB: Chris Donald 6'2" 220 ????? ROLB: Maurice Richardson 6'2" 222 or Toryan Smith 6'0" 244 just throwing the tought out there what do you guys think???

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Famboo28 Walk-On Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 202 Cash: 1,129.75 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 1,129.75 Donate	Check the football forum, it has been mentioned there many times. Or just use the search bar at the top.

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BGIF Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,178 Cash: 7,456.25 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 7,456.25 Donate	It's been discussed as much as, if not more than, Green Jerseys and who's going to start at QB in '07. The discussions should predominately be in the Football Forum under Defense, Travis Thomas, Minter, etc. I tried a search but the search function doesn't like "3-4" or "34". I did find one thread visually Defensive switch to a 3-4?? Preseason in discussing the Travis Thomas to LB move, Weis was asked in a press conference (around Aug 13th) about using the 3-4 considering the size of Thomas. Implying that Thomas would do better with 4 LBs than 3. Weis replied to the contrary that "Size matters in a 3-4, it doesn't in a 4-3". He amplified his reasoning in the press conference. There might be a transcript I used to post them (but I didn't look for it tonight). From what I recall of the many threads on the topic that while it's popular with fans (whatever scheme we NOT using is popular with fans) ND doesn't have the horses up front on the DL nor at LB. As ND rebuilds through recruiting ND may move in that direction in time. Keep in mind if ND got 3 DLs and 4 LBs in the next class, ND would not open with a 3-4 as those rookies have to build their bodies up to play against 21 and 22 year old OLs that have been lifting and developing technique for 3 or 4 years. Weis has consistently says he plays what the talent lets him play (offense or defense). We don't have the horses yet and the few we have are ponies right now. Feel free to identify the Chris Zorich clone in the middle of the DLine and the 4 LBs like Stonebreaker, Dubose, Kowalkowski, and Jones. I have trouble finding one LB of that quality, strength and experience on the team. Check out a Depth Chart from those days. ND was 3 deep at all 4 LB positions and there was a solid 2 Deep on the DLine. We can't fill a first string today.

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jiggafini19 Chicago Rhetoric Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,362 Cash: 19,938.37 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 19,938.37 Donate	They can win with a 4-3 if everyone, coaches and players, knows what the hell they're doing. And hopefully soon Haywood can take over the offense a little bit because having a head coach whose baby is the offense doesn't help matters any. 3-4, 4-3, 867-5309....none of it matters if your players aren't in position to make plays and you don't have game changers. You mix things up. You play a little 3-4, a little 4-3, nickel, dime. You disguise what you do, keep the offense guessing, attack them, make THEM react to YOU. This is why getting Donald is so vital. This is why not getting these top flight defensive players like Griffen and Tez Wilson hurts so much. Defensive players are being given negative recruiting because the ND universe is centered around Weis, Quinn and now Clausen. It's a great place for offense and the coach has lots of Super Bowl rings. So do the defensive coordinators of those teams

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njuneardave Blue Chip Recruit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 438 Cash: 86,225.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 86,225.00 Donate	i have no problem with Weis calling the plays. Why in the world would you want to start passing responsibility to Haywood? The offense is our staple.... it's the only thing that we get credit for.

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njuneardave Blue Chip Recruit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 438 Cash: 86,225.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 86,225.00 Donate	i dont see it as being a problem, jigga. so what? weis is the head coach... he is also an offensive mastermind. it would be a travesty is Weis stopped calling plays.... his ingenuity is the sole reason that we have made it to the BCS the past 2 years. I'm not taking anything away from Haywood, but why try to fix something that isn't broken? Offensive potency is never a problem.... i usually agree with the things you say, but this takes me by surprise. Weis does an excellent job.

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