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Old 07-18-2013, 08:43 AM   #2059 (permalink)
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I have read and heard around here the police did do a thorough investigation from the start and saw no reason to arrest GZ on the info/evidence they found (prime example of little arrest worthy evidence is the prosecutions amazingly weak case at the trial). It was not till pressure from the bigger whigs (Corey appeasing the mob (know you love that word) ...) that the arrest happened.
Clearly you think so, but not everyone agrees. I'm not sure what I said that you're taking exception to. It seems like disagreeing with me is a perfunctory response for you, but I'm just explaining why this case caught people's attention. As someone pointed out previously, there are many killings every day. What made this one a scandal is that the police knew who the shooter was and accepted his self defense story at face value. I would counter your contention that the weak prosecution was evidence that the police were right not to investigate with the contention that had the police done their jobs from the outset the state would have had a better chance to win in court. All the delay clearly helped the defendant get his ducks in a row with respect to concocting a defense strategy and coach his friends about what he needed them to say in their testimony. Further, the prosecution erred by introducing all of Zimmerman's public statements in the aftermath of the incident into evidence (in order to highlight inconsistencies), but that strategy backfired because it allowed the defense to get his version of events into evidence without him taking the stand. Had he been arrested the night of the incident as he should have been, that would not have happened.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:45 AM   #2060 (permalink)
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I have read and heard around here the police did do a thorough investigation from the start and saw no reason to arrest GZ on the info/evidence they found (prime example of little arrest worthy evidence is the prosecutions amazingly weak case at the trial). It was not till pressure from the bigger whigs (Corey appeasing the mob (know you love that word) ...) that the arrest happened.
The suggestion that RI made is about the outrage, and it was suggested that that was somehow a fringe position. The fact that their was a "mob," which you are right, I don't care for much, tells me that RI was spot on in his comments. How thorough an investigation could have happened the night of the shooting? Seems the investigation was listening to Zimmerman's story and making the determination that it sounded reasonable enough, and letting him go home. That, IMHO, is cause enough for outrage. That it went on for 44 more days without an arrest certainly fanned those flames of outrage until the entire country formed an opinion. I would guess that the country is fairly evenly split on who is at fault in this case. It would have never gotten to that point if the police didn't seem to be mailing it in from the beginning. The investigation continued and more evidence was gathered. Your opinion is that the prosecution didn't have anything to work with and that is why they lost the case. I would argue that there was plenty there to work with, and that they just weren't very good lawyers and THAT is why they lost the case.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:46 AM   #2061 (permalink)
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Clearly you think so, but not everyone agrees. I'm not sure what I said that you're taking exception to. It seems like disagreeing with me is a perfunctory response for you, but I'm just explaining why this case caught people's attention. As someone pointed out previously, there are many killings every day. What made this one a scandal is that the police knew who the shooter was and accepted his self defense story at face value. I would counter your contention that the weak prosecution was evidence that the police were right not to investigate with the contention that had the police done their jobs from the outset the state would have had a better chance to win in court. All the delay clearly helped the defendant get his ducks in a row with respect to concocting a defense strategy and coach his friends about what he needed them to say in their testimony. Further, the prosecution erred by introducing all of Zimmerman's public statements in the aftermath of the incident into evidence (in order to highlight inconsistencies), but that strategy backfired because it allowed the defense to get his version of events into evidence without him taking the stand. Had he been arrested the night of the incident as he should have been, that would not have happened.
Wow, bro check who I quoted!!! I have said **** to you, it was to the calmer GoIrish so no, "perfunctory response" here. Chill bro. I going back to not posting in this thread...jeeeeezzz

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Old 07-18-2013, 08:52 AM   #2062 (permalink)
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Ha my bad dude. Thought I was quoting T Town Tommy. Haha. My apologies.
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First he was an innocent guy. 2nd the initial aggressor was GZ following him. Is it possible that TM started the actual physical fight? Yes it is, but the GZ stalking him is what starts the whole **** storm.

Also according to you, the person being stalked is at fault for the situation not the stalker?
Lets change the story a little. A teenage girl is walking home and a guy starts following her. She tries to get away but he keeps following her, so she turns around and uses a stun gun on him? Who is at fault? The girl being followed or the guy following her?
Thanks for not answering my question. Is that because you can't think of a reason why someone who is completely innocent wouldn't just go inside and remove themselves from the situation?

I'm saying that the person who started the physical confrontation is mostly responsible for Trayvon being dead. Going by your example, you are assuming that Trayvon tried to get away from Zimmerman. Is it your contention that Trayvon, who is 5'11", ~160 lbs., somewhat athletic looking, and 17 years old, couldn't outrun a nearly 30 year old Zimmerman, who is 5' 7" and ~185? If he was looking to get away from Zimmerman, then, again, why didn't he just go inside?
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Thanks for not answering my question. Is that because you can't think of a reason why someone who is completely innocent wouldn't just go inside and remove themselves from the situation?

I'm saying that the person who started the physical confrontation is mostly responsible for Trayvon being dead. Going by your example, you are assuming that Trayvon tried to get away from Zimmerman. Is it your contention that Trayvon, who is 5'11", ~160 lbs., somewhat athletic looking, and 17 years old, couldn't outrun a nearly 30 year old Zimmerman, who is 5' 7" and ~185? If he was looking to get away from Zimmerman, then, again, why didn't he just go inside?
If a creep was following me around, I wouldn't lead him to my doorstep where the only other person home was a 12-year-old boy.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:10 AM   #2065 (permalink)
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If a creep was following me around, I wouldn't lead him to my doorstep where the only other person home was a 12-year-old boy.
And yet, Trayvon did. He was already standing in front of his father's fiancée's place, when the initial confrontation supposedly took place. Why didn't he call 911, instead of his girlfriend, when he thought someone was following him?
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