ND Scheduling Factors - Notre Dame Football Discussion

**Legacy** · 04-28-2008, 11:59 AM

I believe the following are some of the factors influencing ND football scheduling (possible purposes in paratheses):

Competition (Entertainment value)
Geography (Fan Base/Participation/Recruiting)
7-4-1 formula (home-away-neutral)
Big East commitment (Participation without full conference scheduling)
Maintain Traditional Rivalries (Mich, USC, Navy, MSU, Purdue, Stanford)
Play universities with commitment to their student/athletes

A negative factor would be teams who do not want to play ND, whether due to competition, proposed date/location, or other conditions such as not wanting to play ND during their conference schedule.
Some complexities/challenges - If ND maintains the 6 traditional rivalries above at home and home (3 home and 3 away each year), the 7-4-1 formula becomes 4-1-1. Navy is most open to playing a large venue game (Baltimore, Dublin), which can give ND another possible away game every other year. With the proposed UConn and Rutgers contracts, ND also seems to be trying meet the Big East commitment, schedule in large venues, and have a presence in geographically significant areas such as New Jersey/NY and Florida. ND has a west coast presence with USC, Stanford and sometimes U. Washington and Midwest scheduling with Big 10 rivals and Pittsburgh. Playing Cincinnati would accomodate a Big East commitment and establish a competition with an Ohio university.
Finally, programs' commitment to their student/athletes can be measured by:

Graduation Success Rates (GSR)
Academic Progress Rates (APR)
Letters of Intent/Scholarships over 5 years (85 scholarship students maximum at any one time)
Comparing Grad Rate of Athletes to overall student grad rates

[/list]Navy, Boston College, and Stanford yearly rank at the top of these measures. The top 4 PAC 10 teams in APR are Stanford, Cal, Wash and USC. The top 4 Big East teams in APR are Rutgers, Conn, Syracuse and Pitts. Cinn. ranks high in GSR.
At the other end, Alabama has one of the worst APRs nationally, verging on scholarship losses, has a GSR of 48% for their athletes (v. 63% students overall) and has signed 141 student/athletes to letters of intent over 5 yrs (ave - 112 for 4 yrs).

**Sir John** · 04-28-2008, 02:03 PM

Well done Legacy

**AZIrish** · 04-28-2008, 07:49 PM

I wonder why ND won't play Rutgers on their home turf. Everything I've read says it's not an option at all. It makes ND seem a little elitist. Are we scared? Rutgers is an up and coming program and it would look better on our schedule than UCONN. (I'm not bashing UCONN, so control yourselves!) I hate that ultimately every decision seems to be about money; maybe it's not, but the appearance is there. Just my .02

**Ultimate Penn St. hater** · 04-28-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir John

Well done Legacy

Agreed. I just wish that Div. 1-A teams weren't allowed to play Div 1-AA Teams. I think the schedules some teams have are a disgrace.

goldandblue · 04-29-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AZIrish

I wonder why ND won't play Rutgers on their home turf. Everything I've read says it's not an option at all. It makes ND seem a little elitist. Are we scared? Rutgers is an up and coming program and it would look better on our schedule than UCONN. (I'm not bashing UCONN, so control yourselves!) I hate that ultimately every decision seems to be about money; maybe it's not, but the appearance is there. Just my .02

I don't think that ND is scared by any means. Although it may appear that we look scared I think it boils down to money. ND feels like they can make more money playing UCONN in a larger venue then they can playing Rutgers in a smaller one. Which I think sucks.

Kevin White: dumbing down future schedules is one thing but making us look like pussies for a dollar is another.

**ant80** · 04-29-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by goldandblue

I don't think that ND is scared by any means. Although it may appear that we look scared I think it boils down to money. ND feels like they can make more money playing UCONN in a larger venue then they can playing Rutgers in a smaller one. Which I think sucks.

Kevin White: dumbing down future schedules is one thing but making us look like pussies for a dollar is another.

Remember, another factor is recruiting. Playing at a larger stadium (60,000 as opposed to 55,000 when renovations are completed at the Rutgers stadium; these numbers are out of the top of my head) will mean more seats for ND alumni that are abundant in the NY/NJ area.

Shamrock44 · 04-29-2008, 11:01 AM

We need to play more games in recruiting hot beds such as Texas, Florida and Georgia. Period.

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Legacy Walk-On Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 72 Cash: 3,090.06 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 3,090.06 Donate	ND Scheduling Factors I believe the following are some of the factors influencing ND football scheduling (possible purposes in paratheses): Competition (Entertainment value) Geography (Fan Base/Participation/Recruiting) 7-4-1 formula (home-away-neutral) Big East commitment (Participation without full conference scheduling) Maintain Traditional Rivalries (Mich, USC, Navy, MSU, Purdue, Stanford) Play universities with commitment to their student/athletes A negative factor would be teams who do not want to play ND, whether due to competition, proposed date/location, or other conditions such as not wanting to play ND during their conference schedule. Some complexities/challenges - If ND maintains the 6 traditional rivalries above at home and home (3 home and 3 away each year), the 7-4-1 formula becomes 4-1-1. Navy is most open to playing a large venue game (Baltimore, Dublin), which can give ND another possible away game every other year. With the proposed UConn and Rutgers contracts, ND also seems to be trying meet the Big East commitment, schedule in large venues, and have a presence in geographically significant areas such as New Jersey/NY and Florida. ND has a west coast presence with USC, Stanford and sometimes U. Washington and Midwest scheduling with Big 10 rivals and Pittsburgh. Playing Cincinnati would accomodate a Big East commitment and establish a competition with an Ohio university. Finally, programs' commitment to their student/athletes can be measured by: Graduation Success Rates (GSR) Academic Progress Rates (APR) Letters of Intent/Scholarships over 5 years (85 scholarship students maximum at any one time) Comparing Grad Rate of Athletes to overall student grad rates [/list]Navy, Boston College, and Stanford yearly rank at the top of these measures. The top 4 PAC 10 teams in APR are Stanford, Cal, Wash and USC. The top 4 Big East teams in APR are Rutgers, Conn, Syracuse and Pitts. Cinn. ranks high in GSR. At the other end, Alabama has one of the worst APRs nationally, verging on scholarship losses, has a GSR of 48% for their athletes (v. 63% students overall) and has signed 141 student/athletes to letters of intent over 5 yrs (ave - 112 for 4 yrs).

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AZIrish Gettin' crunk'd! Join Date: May 2006 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 369 Cash: 3.03 Bank: 309.26 Total Bankroll: 312.29 Donate	I wonder why ND won't play Rutgers on their home turf. Everything I've read says it's not an option at all. It makes ND seem a little elitist. Are we scared? Rutgers is an up and coming program and it would look better on our schedule than UCONN. (I'm not bashing UCONN, so control yourselves!) I hate that ultimately every decision seems to be about money; maybe it's not, but the appearance is there. Just my .02 __________________ Will the real AZIrish please stand up?, please stand up.

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Shamrock44 Waterboy Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 Cash: 593.34 Bank: 0.00 Total Bankroll: 593.34 Donate	We need to play more games in recruiting hot beds such as Texas, Florida and Georgia. Period.

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