'08 IL LB Brett Nagel (Northwestern Verbal)

[kjones]

Originally Posted by shamrock

It is also only March, there is a lot of time left until the next signing day.

What?! Only freaking March? Do you have a source on that, or are you just getting that from Rivals? (Like I'd trust Rivals to get the month right.) Don't post stuff like this unless you have a reliable source.

Give me recruits NOW, or give me death.

/-sarcasm

[johnnd05]

Originally Posted by kjones

What?! Only freaking March? Do you have a source on that, or are you just getting that from Rivals? (Like I'd trust Rivals to get the month right.) Don't post stuff like this unless you have a reliable source.

Give me recruits NOW, or give me death.

/-sarcasm

LOL! Reps ...

[Pete]

Originally Posted by kjones

What?! Only freaking March? Do you have a source on that, or are you just getting that from Rivals? (Like I'd trust Rivals to get the month right.) Don't post stuff like this unless you have a reliable source.

Give me recruits NOW, or give me death.

/-sarcasm

No, I was going by some info that I found on Scout. But I probably shouldn't post it since I am pretty sure that Info (it being March) was premium info, and we don't want to get their panties in a bunch.

[johnnd05]

Originally Posted by shamrock

No, I was going by some info that I found on Scout. But I probably shouldn't post it since I am pretty sure that Info (it being March) was premium info, and we don't want to get their panties in a bunch.

Whoa, man. Now there's this whole weird circularity thing going on:

1. Shamrock finds out from Scout that it's March now.
2. But since it's March, this is premium info.
3. So Shamrock tells us that he can't post what he found out from Scout since, it being March, the info is premium.
4. But that WAS the premium info in question!

I think we just created a loop in spacetime.

[BGIF]

Originally Posted by irishunclebill

... Listen, I think it would be great if Brett Nagle were to get an offer, and he would probably accept it on the spot, but the coaching staff has commitments to the 7 guys they already offered, and that commitment does not end until these guys verbal to someone else, or NSD, whichever comes first. ...

Excuse me, but BS!

ND has made a "No other offers to LBs" Pact with 7 (8) guys?

Since when has an ND offer become a unilateral commitment obligation on ND?

ND is free to extend offers to whomever, whenever. Prospects are free to accept, reject, or ponder til NSD. The 8 LBs offered are in the same boat Mustain was. IF the slots are filled before they're ready they won't get an ND scholarship regardless of an offer. Jevon Kearse can attest to that better than Mustain can.

Originally Posted by irishunclebill

... It is Brett Nagel’s choice to decide early, his current scholarship offers will remain in place all the way to NSD, so he could conceivably wait until then to see if an ND spot opens up. You can’t blame him for not waiting, and you can’t blame the coaching staff for not offering until they are sure they have an available spot. ...

Maybe, Maybe not. Those other offers are NOT guaranteed either. Offers at other schools get rescinded as slots get filled. Urban (and others) dump verbals for better prospects. Keep in mind a number of events triggered Brian Smith's second chance. A couple of high profile recruits said NO late in the game and Minter was axed. ND has more LB offers out already this year. They appear to be in better shape with those offered. There are others eager for an ND offer and they aren't as eager as Nagel to pull the trigger.

Right now ND has 4 or 5 LB slots OPEN. All the slots are available. "If you're looking; we're looking!"

[johnnd05]

Originally Posted by BGIF

Excuse me, but BS!

ND has made a "No other offers to LBs" Pact with 7 (8) guys?

Since when has an ND offer become a unilateral commitment obligation on ND?

ND is free to extend offers to whomever, whenever. Prospects are free to accept, reject, or ponder til NSD. The 8 LBs offered are in the same boat Mustain was. IF the slots are filled before they're ready they won't get an ND scholarship regardless of an offer. Jevon Kearse can attest to that better than Mustain can.

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Those other offers are guaranteed either. Offers at other schools get rescinded as slots get filled. Urban (and others) dump verbals for better prospects. Keep in mind a number of events triggered Brian Smith's second chance. A couple of high profile recruits said NO late in the game and Minter was axed. ND has more LB offers out already this year. They appear to be in better shape with those offered. There are others eager for an ND offer and they aren't as eager as Nagel to pull the trigger.

Right now ND has 4 or 5 LB slots OPEN. All the slots are available. "If you're looking; we're looking!"

I think IUB's point is that the staff has other guys that they want more than Nagel, and so they don't want to offer Nagel and have him commit and take up a schollie that could have been used for one of them. (Right?) We're not going to offer him and then pull it, Meyer-style, if something better comes up down the line. So the point isn't that we have a "No other LB offers" pact with the other guys we've offered -- though we might do something like that if they'd committed! -- but that they're regarded as especially high-priority and we're just not a school that will throw around scholarship offers like candy. This all seems pretty much uncontroversial to me.

Fankly, at the end of the day I'm not exactly sure that the argument between BGIF and IUB really comes to ...

[irishunclebill]

Originally Posted by BGIF

Excuse me, but BS!

ND has made a "No other offers to LBs" Pact with 7 (8) guys?

Since when has an ND offer become a unilateral commitment obligation on ND?

ND is free to extend offers to whomever, whenever. Prospects are free to accept, reject, or ponder til NSD. The 8 LBs offered are in the same boat Mustain was. IF the slots are filled before they're ready they won't get an ND scholarship regardless of an offer. Jevon Kearse can attest to that better than Mustain can.



Maybe, Maybe not. Those other offers are guaranteed either. Offers at other schools get rescinded as slots get filled. Urban (and others) dump verbals for better prospects. Keep in mind a number of events triggered Brian Smith's second chance. A couple of high profile recruits said NO late in the game and Minter was axed. ND has more LB offers out already this year. They appear to be in better shape with those offered. There are others eager for an ND offer and they aren't as eager as Nagel to pull the trigger.

Right now ND has 4 or 5 LB slots OPEN. All the slots are available. "If you're looking; we're looking!"

BGIF- Everthing you said is your opinion, but you are the expert, so if you want to nitpick a comment to death, be my guest. I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make anyway, but I will point out that if you are so correct, then why in fact has the coaching staff not offered every LB out there. The answer obcourse is guys like Nagel and LeGrand would probably accept on the spot and fill 2 of the 4 or 5 slots that you say are OPEN. If you ever listen to CW talk about offers he makes, he does make them sound like committments on the part of ND, if you want to call that a "unilateral commitment" then as I said, be my guest.

Nagel has nothing to do with Smith, so again I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Smith was told that there was no interest by the coaching staff, and so he committed to Iowa. I don't know (maybe you do) that the same has been said to Nagel, but it seems more likely that Nagel has been told that if a spot opens up at the end, he will get an offer. If he can't wait for that, then that is up to him. Oh and by the way, opinions are opinions, so don't go throwing around a BS on them unless you are willing to accept one in return.